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    hawg - I'm not sure what you agree with
    I and theMeat were countering your absurd opinion that we had 'too much freedom' in the 60's
    you disagree with me, but you agree with theMeat who tore your 'blame the people' argument up
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    hawg - I'm not sure what you agree with
    I and theMeat were countering your absurd opinion that we had 'too much freedom' in the 60's
    you disagree with me, but you agree with theMeat who tore your 'blame the people' argument up
    To be perfectly honest, I'm just having fun with this silly thread. It's fun to get you guys all worked up. I'm just sitting back and enjoying the ride, that's what OC is all about, right? This is stress/fatigue therapy for me so thanks!
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    Hawg, I'm pretty sure you just admitted that you're trolling and that's cool and ok because it's the OC. Whatever, you're entitled to your opinion, even thou I do agree with dell that your 60's post is absurd, I'm not picking sides, just my opinion for you to consider.
    Here's some pos rep for you to show I'm far from worked up, and if you really do believe it's not that big a deal, there's no reason to get personal, sarcastic, or have the last word to justify your opinion. It's all good.
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    Glad you see it's really all just for fun. Thanks.
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    Complacency ... A form of submission.

    “Experience has shown, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Oh wait, the Kardashian's just gained 5 pounds!
    Twinkie the Kid. He's an obnoxious rascal!
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    One day, in a perfect world, the new Karkrashian kid will be Pres, and all our problems will be solved!!!
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    TheMeat drives home the most rigid view of the USA. Only ROP Politic would attempt and argue w/ this.

    Someone like me still realizes the better outlook which came out of those days, am not about to let any fractured viewpoints or another newfound right of passage snuff things out.

    The current Admin has played a good hand the past couple days by re-establishing ties with the UAE, allowing more language into the real botherations being assessed - N. Korea's blanketing of the South and of Japan, and of course what is Iranian malfeasance within, well, everywhere's else. Iran does seem to avoid upsetting the Marketplace with counterfeit goods, have to respect this in some fashion...
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    I am afraid I don't speak Haint!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    I am afraid I don't speak Haint!
    Use non-speak Highdelll, version 2.5

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    Nope, sorry! No disrespect intended, as English is obviously not your first language, but I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch when I read some of your posts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    Too much freedom? Too much thinking? Wow. How bout this for a take.
    Freedom is Freedom no matter what, there are only different levels of oppression, repression and control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Nope, sorry! No disrespect intended, as English is obviously not your first language, but I feel like I'm in a Monty Python sketch when I read some of your posts...
    Meh. To be honest this thread seems like just a way for Highdelll to continue some kind of manifesto destiny on the Site, I'd kinda hoped to engage some other, related, talking points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haint View Post
    Meh. To be honest this thread seems like just a way for Highdelll to continue some kind of manifesto destiny on the Site, I'd kinda hoped to engage some other, related, talking points.
    Exactly! That's why I threw a wrench into his gears. I see a pattern developing.
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    There is no such thing as Freedom.

    Just Free Dumb

    The United States of America, and its Constitution, add up to nothing more than State Sanctioned religion designed around a total industrialized society, and Democracy is the creed (oath).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Danger View Post
    The only thing that baffles me is why the American public doesn't/didn't/don't care. Are we that afraid of terrorists?
    The only thing that baffles me is why the American public doesn't/didn't/don't care. Are we that afraid of terrorists?

    No, not afraid of terrorists at all.
    Just know that in my crazy so called life I am not doing anything that would interest the government in watching me and if I did, I sure as hell would not blog about or be overtly open about it.

    Facts
    1) Yes, I have no doubt the government is illegally watching people.
    2) They can't watch everyone so if you think they are watching you personally than you than you are probably doing something that warrants watching or you probably need that tinfoil hat.
    3) Eventually one day technology will probably get to the point where they will have some super computer that can watch every single person to the point where they know even when you fart.
    4) Knowing about it won't stop it. They lied in the past, they lie now, they will continue to lie even when they are caught.

    This doesn't mean you accept their lies, you just pick your battles instead.
    First and foremost keep your personal life personal.

    15+ years ago I said this country is going to have a revolution and I will not be surprised if this happens in our life time. If there is one thing history has proven time and time again, it does repeat itself and governments always fail.

    BTW, the first thing a government does when it starts getting to that point is it tries to disarm the people. So anyone who thinks that for one moment stricter gun control will make us safer I got news for you. The criminals we need to defend ourselves from are not the criminals on the streets, it is the criminals in Washington DC.
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    June 20th is National Free Your Breasts day, looking forward to many participants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    June 20th is National Free Your Breasts day, looking forward to many participants.
    Come to Asheville, there will be plenty of participants.

    Problem is they usually not the ones you want to see.
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    All i know is that going by this thread Acid use must be higher than ever......

    Of course the govts moniter certain groups, the have always done and if they didnt people would be complaining when terrorist acts happen and kill innocent people.

    But heres the reality, the govts are stretched to the limits, they dont even have the capabilities to moniter direct threats and home born terrorism, and security.

    Theres no way they have the capabilities to be tracking every tom dick n harry that want to go protest about things.

    You know why people dont take the conspiracy nutters out there serious, because like in post 2 of this thread its totally blown out of proportion and its fear mongering, just the same thing as the conspiracy theorists say the govt does with home security.

    The conspiracy theorists are just as bad and spout just as much garbage n crap as the govts they are talking about, imo its hilarious.
    Dont ever let the truth get in the way of a funny story....

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    here's an eye-opening post on what may be building in US
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    quote=617191 6 hours ago*

    I live in a country generally assumed to be a dictatorship. One of the Arab spring countries. I have lived through curfews and have seen the outcomes of the sort of surveillance now being revealed in the US. People here talking about curfews aren't realizing what that actually FEELS like. It isn't about having to go inside, and the practicality of that. It's about creating the feeling that everyone, everything is watching. A few points:

    1) the purpose of this surveillance from the governments point of view is to control enemies of the state. Not terrorists. People who are coalescing around ideas that would destabilize the status quo. These could be religious ideas. These could be groups like anon who are too good with tech for the governments liking. It makes it very easy to know who these people are. It also makes it very simple to control these people.

    Lets say you are a college student and you get in with some people who want to stop farming practices that hurt animals. So you make a plan and go to protest these practices. You get there, and wow, the protest is huge. You never expected this, you were just goofing off. Well now everyone who was there is suspect. Even though you technically had the right to protest, you're now considered a dangerous person.

    With this tech in place, the government doesn't have to put you in jail. They can do something more sinister. They can just email you a sexy picture you took with a girlfriend. Or they can email you a note saying that they can prove your dad is cheating on his taxes. Or they can threaten to get your dad fired. All you have to do, the email says, is help them catch your friends in the group. You have to report back every week, or you dad might lose his job. So you do. You turn in your friends and even though they try to keep meetings off grid, you're reporting on them to protect your dad.

    2) Let's say number one goes on. The country is a weird place now. Really weird. Pretty soon, a movement springs up like occupy, except its bigger this time. People are really serious, and they are saying they want a government without this power. I guess people are realizing that it is a serious deal. You see on the news that tear gas was fired. Your friend calls you, frantic. They're shooting people. Oh my god. you never signed up for this. You say, **** it. My dad might lose his job but I won't be responsible for anyone dying. That's going too far. You refuse to report anymore. You just stop going to meetings. You stay at home, and try not to watch the news. Three days later, police come to your door and arrest you. They confiscate your computer and phones, and they beat you up a bit. No one can help you so they all just sit quietly. They know if they say anything they're next. This happened in the country I live in. It is not a joke.

    3) Its hard to say how long you were in there. What you saw was horrible. Most of the time, you only heard screams. People begging to be killed. Noises you've never heard before. You, you were lucky. You got kicked every day when they threw your moldy food at you, but no one shocked you. No one used sexual violence on you, at least that you remember. There were some times they gave you pills, and you can't say for sure what happened then. To be honest, sometimes the pills were the best part of your day, because at least then you didn't feel anything. You have scars on you from the way you were treated. You learn in prison that torture is now common. But everyone who uploads videos or pictures of this torture is labeled a leaker. Its considered a threat to national security. Pretty soon, a cut you got on your leg is looking really bad. You think it's infected. There were no doctors in prison, and it was so overcrowded, who knows what got in the cut. You go to the doctor, but he refuses to see you. He knows if he does the government can see the records that he treated you. Even you calling his office prompts a visit from the local police.

    You decide to go home and see your parents. Maybe they can help. This leg is getting really bad. You get to their house. They aren't home. You can't reach them no matter how hard you try. A neighbor pulls you aside, and he quickly tells you they were arrested three weeks ago and haven't been seen since. You vaguely remember mentioning to them on the phone you were going to that protest. Even your little brother isn't there.

    4) Is this even really happening? You look at the news. Sports scores. Celebrity news. It's like nothing is wrong. What the hell is going on? A stranger smirks at you reading the paper. You lose it. You shout at him "**** you dude what are you laughing at can't you see I've got a ****ing wound on my leg?"

    "Sorry," he says. "I just didn't know anyone read the news anymore." There haven't been any real journalists for months. They're all in jail.

    Everyone walking around is scared. They can't talk to anyone else because they don't know who is reporting for the government. Hell, at one time YOU were reporting for the government. Maybe they just want their kid to get through school. Maybe they want to keep their job. Maybe they're sick and want to be able to visit the doctor. It's always a simple reason. Good people always do bad things for simple reasons.

    You want to protest. You want your family back. You need help for your leg. This is way beyond anything you ever wanted. It started because you just wanted to see fair treatment in farms. Now you're basically considered a terrorist, and everyone around you might be reporting on you. You definitely can't use a phone or email. You can't get a job. You can't even trust people face to face anymore. On every corner, there are people with guns. They are as scared as you are. They just don't want to lose their jobs. They don't want to be labeled as traitors.

    This all happened in the country where I live.

    You want to know why revolutions happen? Because little by little by little things get worse and worse. But this thing that is happening now is big. This is the key ingredient. This allows them to know everything they need to know to accomplish the above. The fact that they are doing it is proof that they are the sort of people who might use it in the way I described. In the country I live in, they also claimed it was for the safety of the people. Same in Soviet Russia. Same in East Germany. In fact, that is always the excuse that is used to surveil everyone. But it has never ONCE proven to be the reality.

    Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?

    You know for me, the reason I'm upset is that I grew up in school saying the pledge of allegiance. I was taught that the United States meant "liberty and justice for all." You get older, you learn that in this country we define that phrase based on the constitution. That's what tells us what liberty is and what justice is. Well, the government just violated that ideal. So if they aren't standing for liberty and justice anymore, what are they standing for? Safety?

    Ask yourself a question. In the story I told above, does anyone sound safe?

    I didn't make anything up. These things happened to people I know. We used to think it couldn't happen in America. But guess what? It's starting to happen.

    I actually get really upset when people say "I don't have anything to hide. Let them read everything." People saying that have no idea what they are bringing down on their own heads. They are naive, and we need to listen to people in other countries who are clearly telling us that this is a horrible horrible sign and it is time to stand up and say no.
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    This is the biggest load of alarmist crap ive ever read, who wrote this dribble? the funniest bit is where he says '' i didnt make anything up, this all happened to people i know"" bwahahahahaha
    name the source, who what when and where or its pure ********.
    Ridiculous articles like this are written for certain groups of people that all share the same quality, a very average IQ's (although they think they have high ones lol) and a tendency to be a conspiracy theorist and a dreamer, the same sort of people that makes trips to Roswell thinking they can spot an alien or spaceship.

    Theres no doubt the govt and certain departments monitor plenty of people, thats a fact nobody can deny and im happy they do but unless the govt has 10 million people working fultime monitoring us all the above sort of alarmism is ridiculous.

    Yes in life plenty of things are a conspiracy, humans will do what they have to do to achieve what they need too, but the thing is conspiracy theorists are so easy for anybody to play with, their way of thinking is so predictable that it makes them very easy targets, and the people they fight against play on this and the govt does too.
    Everybody is a few steps in front of them, they just drip feed them ******** and they take it hook line and sinker.

    You will never find an easier foe or enemy than a conspiracy theorist, it would be like having a 10 year old kid as your enemy..
    Dont ever let the truth get in the way of a funny story....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Freedom is Freedom no matter what, there are only different levels of oppression, repression and control.
    No, more of one = less of the other.

    Unless i just can't calculate rockerc.
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    There exists only "limitations."

    In other words, they are simply challenges.

    Like someone else said, choose ^them^ wisely.

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    "Maybe Obama won't do it. Maybe the next guy won't, or the one after him. Maybe this story isn't about you. Maybe it happens 10 or 20 years from now, when a big war is happening, or after another big attack. Maybe it's about your daughter or your son. We just don't know yet. But what we do know is that right now, in this moment we have a choice. Are we okay with this, or not? Do we want this power to exist, or not?"

    Exactly. It's like the frogs in the pot of boiling water. Small individual rights being taken away. So small and gradual, that no one notices, even give them away in the name of National Security, and Your Protection. The USA is no longer "FREE." Get used to the idea.

    In Germany they first came for the Communists,

    and I didn't speak up becaise I wasn't a Communist.



    Then they came for the Jews,

    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.



    Then they came for the trade unionists,

    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.



    Then they came for the Catholics,

    and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.



    Then they came for me --

    and by that time no one was left to speak up.

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