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    My American Pit Bull Terrier Defended Me From a Bull Moose

    I was mt. biking today in the Front Range of CO when I came across a HUGE bull moose. I was going about 10 mph down a rolling, rocky trail when the moose crashed out of the woods and onto the trail about 20-30 ft in front of me, WAY too close for comfort. I skidded to a stop and watched as the moose turned to face me. It was huge, his head must have stood 8 ft tall, and he had enormous antlers. I was deciding what to do, resisting the urge to run, but looking for an escape route... I didn't think I had much of a chance if he charged, but was poised to run at a 90 degree angle to the trail and into the densest trees I could find when my dog Dorje jumped out of the woods between the moose and me, ran at the moose, jumped up at him but didn't manage to get a good hold on the moose. The moose swung at him with his antlers, but Dorje jumped back out of the way. The moose was surprisingly fast and graceful with his attack for such a huge animal. Dorje responded by barking and growling at the moose, and stood his ground. It was a standoff... So, I decided a retreat was in order, and got on my bike pointed away from the moose, which was a downhill slope at that point in the trail (great luck). I called Dorje with a "Lets Go!", the signal I am getting on my bike and leaving the area. Thankfully, he backed away from the moose and followed me down the trail. He had a huge grin on his face, this was great fun for him.

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    Good job Vick.

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    Nice one Dave and Dorje. Bet you're glad you went west of the Peak to Peak today!
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    You ride around with an UNLEASHED PIT BULL? People like you are why my mom is terrified to walk her dog anywhere outside of town.

    Even if it's the best dog in the world (which it may well be, given this encounter!), this is only acceptable if you never, ever see a stranger on the trail or you own the land. No matter how good his behavior is, the other dog can always be the one to start a fight, and if it's on a leash you are the one in the wrong. Not to mention that a loose pit bull is incredibly intimidating - if I saw it way up the trail I would consider it necessary to turn around or detour way above it. No one else knows if your dog is wonderful or psychotic.

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    Good thing the moose didn't get to the dog. Even if the dog did get a good bite of the huge beast, It would probably be like a crawfish having a good clamp onto your index finger, at which point you just flick it off where it lands 15 feet from you.

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    Davec113,
    You forgot the one of Dorje with his ears flyin' in the wind and the unbridled joy on his face running the singletrack. That pic does my heart good!

    Give him an extra pat and a biscuit for the bravery and loyalty he showed you today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitrovarr
    You ride around with an UNLEASHED SPAWN OF SATAN? People like you are why my mom is terrified to walk her dog anywhere outside of town.
    Thats Hilarious!... or disappointing, I'm not sure which. Pits used to be viewed a lot differently than they are today, as a family dog, guardian of kids, ww2 armed forced mascot, etc... the Little Rascals dog was a Pit. Even modern studies show that your mom's golden retriever (guess) is more likely to bite a child than an American Pit Bull Terrier. Apparently your views are dictated to you by our media (thats the disappointing part).

    It is true they are likely to be DOG aggressive, but thats completely seperate from aggression to humans. My dog does not happen to be dog aggressive on the trail, and will avoid fights if possible. I wanted this trait so I looked for it when I bought my dog. If he is attacked by another dog that is off a leash, then my leashing him isn't helping anyway. He has met hundreds of dogs in parks and on trails without fighting with any of them. I trust that he will not provoke a fight or retaliate unless he is viciously attacked.

    I only let him off leash where it is allowed.
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    That's awesome that your dog stood up to that animal to cover for you like that
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    It's not because it's a pit bull, it's just that I hate loose dogs. My mom's dog was once attacked by someone else's dog (ironically, it wasn't loose, it broke its leash) while I was walking here, and I've come very close to being attacked multiple times myself. I've been turned back on some bike rides because some redneck moron had his 3 dogs guarding the road, or something along those lines. And those were, in fact, golden retrievers or similar breeds, as was the dog that's come closest to attacking me - the only dogs I don't mind seeing loose are tiny, harmless ones.

    It's extra bad because it's a Pit Bull, though, because they are more powerful if they do cause problems, and they're extra intimidating - a lot of idiots breed them for dog fighting so much of the time they're extremely aggressive. The fact remains that I don't know if your dog is a fighting dog out for exercise or the nicest dog ever bred - if I see it, I'll have to turn back, or circle around to avoid it, or wait for you to control it. By myself I might risk it, but I'm not going to take my dog by it, and my mom is even more cautious - a badly-trained pit bull could kill her. The fact of the matter is, ever since my dog was attacked she's extremely spooky around other dogs, and your dog coming up to her might cause her to attack it. However, she's on a leash, so any encounter is entirely your fault.

    Just keep the damn thing on a leash and carry a high-powered rifle if you're worried about moose. I know the gun won't go off randomly, but I have no such assurances about your animal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Here is some friendly advice. If you do not like something here on MTBR, use your browsers back button and leave. You will not change everyone on the Internet, no matter how strongly you believe you are right. Give it up.
    Wouldn't you be contradicting your own policy by posting it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Nope, I'm in total support of Davec113 having the right to ride with his dog. He stated that Dorje is only off leash where it is allowed.
    Well, assuming it's true, it changes things a little. I wouldn't take my dog into a place where loose dogs were allowed.

    I've just had a lot of bad experiences with loose dogs in a lot of places where they are expressly forbidden, and have a negative impression of the whole concept. You'd feel the same way if you tried walking with your mom and her dog several times in a beautiful outdoor area, only to be accosted by loose dogs multiple times per walk and nearly attacked about once per trip (which were only averted by getting between the dogs and shouting to scare the aggressor away.) All this in a place where dogs explicitly have to be leashed, marked at the trailhead.

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    Have you called local animal control or anything, mitrovarr? If this is really the epidemic you are presenting, they should be more than willing to help.

    Regardless, way to ruin the guys thread with your ranting
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    Nice story! Enjoyed the pics too.

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    that's one good dog. i wouldn't be afraid of any dog that appears to listen to it's owner that well...
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    going back to the scheduled programming...

    Great story, sweet dog and awesome shots too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitrovarr
    It's not because it's a pit bull, it's just that I hate loose dogs. My mom's dog was once attacked by someone else's dog (ironically, it wasn't loose, it broke its leash) while I was walking here, and I've come very close to being attacked multiple times myself. I've been turned back on some bike rides because some redneck moron had his 3 dogs guarding the road, or something along those lines. And those were, in fact, golden retrievers or similar breeds, as was the dog that's come closest to attacking me - the only dogs I don't mind seeing loose are tiny, harmless ones.

    It's extra bad because it's a Pit Bull, though, because they are more powerful if they do cause problems, and they're extra intimidating - a lot of idiots breed them for dog fighting so much of the time they're extremely aggressive. The fact remains that I don't know if your dog is a fighting dog out for exercise or the nicest dog ever bred - if I see it, I'll have to turn back, or circle around to avoid it, or wait for you to control it. By myself I might risk it, but I'm not going to take my dog by it, and my mom is even more cautious - a badly-trained pit bull could kill her. The fact of the matter is, ever since my dog was attacked she's extremely spooky around other dogs, and your dog coming up to her might cause her to attack it. However, she's on a leash, so any encounter is entirely your fault.

    Just keep the damn thing on a leash and carry a high-powered rifle if you're worried about moose. I know the gun won't go off randomly, but I have no such assurances about your animal.
    i know that everybody on a forum is entiltled to post his/her opinion (which is why im going to post mine). you tell him to carry a high powered rifle if worried about the moose, yeah because thats practical and safe , and then later in this post you say that on several trips you have been chased by lose dogs. so why not take your own advise and either change where you walk or carry pepper spray with you. have you never heard of an accidental discharge. work around guns long enough and accidents happen, guns that are "unloaded" will magically fire when doing dry fire drills. laugh, i have seen it happen. while you do say that only some idiots breed these dogs for fighting, the only sensible statement in all of your post on this thread, you must realize that the pit was doing the exact thing that it was breed for in the first place, protect its master/owner.

    a pit bull is the most loyal dog you could ever hope to have, they are the best around children and have the best temperment of any dog you could hope to have. that being said if an animal or human attacks their master watch out. in case you cant tell by my affection for pit bulls they are my favorite breed and i hate the stigma surrounding the breed. so anyway like the guy said the dog was allowed to be off where he was anyway dont take this as an attack on you personally (hell i dont even know you) anyway sorry about the long post /rant off

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    btw..forgot to say great story and thats a pretty dog you got there

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    Ignore the haters/nitwits. Dogs NEED to be unleashed and run to lead healthy and happy lives, especially the sporting breeds. Running/sprinting is in their genetic make-up...simply part of what makes a dog a dog. Bike w/ both of mine unleashed here in the NE (places where its allowed) Happiest times in their lives, excepting the post ride snooze in the sun, of course.

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    Mitrovarr posted

    UNLEASHED PIT BULL
    It's not because it's a pit bull,
    And those were, in fact, golden retrievers or similar breeds, as was the dog that's come closest to attacking me
    It's extra bad because it's a Pit Bull
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    Huh?!?!!!!!

    Seems like you should be looking for a thread were the OP says that they went riding recently with their UNLEASHED GOLDEN RETRIEVERS


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    Great story, I'm glad to hear everyone made it out safely (human, dog, and moose).
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    Makes me wish I could've rescued a cute pit pup from the pound years ago, guess I'll have to head to the pound soon and find another to adopt. I miss my trail partners heads up awareness. I don't see half as many things without a dog pointing them out to me. Moose are not one of those though, they are freakin huge! My dogs once herded a young bull around my house!
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    my pit/sharpei mix chased a moose into the woods and around right back at us once. had to dive behind trees to avoid being trampled, good times. First time I felt the ground shake since moving from cali.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitrovarr
    It's not because it's a pit bull, it's just that I hate loose dogs. My mom's dog was once attacked by someone else's dog (ironically, it wasn't loose, it broke its leash) while I was walking here, and I've come very close to being attacked multiple times myself. I've been turned back on some bike rides because some redneck moron had his 3 dogs guarding the road, or something along those lines. And those were, in fact, golden retrievers or similar breeds, as was the dog that's come closest to attacking me - the only dogs I don't mind seeing loose are tiny, harmless ones.

    It's extra bad because it's a Pit Bull, though, because they are more powerful if they do cause problems, and they're extra intimidating - a lot of idiots breed them for dog fighting so much of the time they're extremely aggressive. The fact remains that I don't know if your dog is a fighting dog out for exercise or the nicest dog ever bred - if I see it, I'll have to turn back, or circle around to avoid it, or wait for you to control it. By myself I might risk it, but I'm not going to take my dog by it, and my mom is even more cautious - a badly-trained pit bull could kill her. The fact of the matter is, ever since my dog was attacked she's extremely spooky around other dogs, and your dog coming up to her might cause her to attack it. However, she's on a leash, so any encounter is entirely your fault.

    Just keep the damn thing on a leash and carry a high-powered rifle if you're worried about moose. I know the gun won't go off randomly, but I have no such assurances about your animal.
    I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of this post before I tell you to shut your suck-hole and get a life. People like "your mon" scare me on the roads and highways, but nobody's is banning her from driving. Get your panties out of a ball, go back to your sanitized idiot-proof hyper-sensitive world , and let the man and his best friend enjoy themselves.

    Excuse me, I need to go back and catch up on all the stories I've been reading about vicious mountain biking dog attacks. Skrew you.
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    pit bull stigma?

    Mitrovarr is a bit over the top, agreed.

    However, I am also alarmed and disturbed by the number of dog owners who think it is no big deal to let a pit bull run around loose where it is NOT allowed. It happens in my local State Park regularly.

    First of all, if the rules allow dogs off-leash, then I have no problem with anyone or any breed of dog doing so. I still personally believe it is irresponsible in most cases, because almost all owners are absurdly naive and delusional about how well-behaved and friendly their dog is.

    When I am walking around a state park with my 3 and 5 year olds, any type of dog off-leash is a potential problem. Even a super-friendly, overly enthusiastic dog can knock a little person over easily and/or possibly plant the seed for a fear of dogs that lasts for the rest of their lives. If I went to this particular state park because it does not allow dogs off-leash, then I see the dog-owner's decision to ignore the rule as rude, inconsiderate, selfish, and potentially dangerous for hikers, bikers, and horses.

    When you own a Pit Bull or other breed generally known to be prone to aggressiveness, I think it is quite reasonable for a total stranger to presume that your dog poses a potentially greater risk. Your personal evaluation of your dog's mental stability and track record are meaningless.

    Pit bull owners are quick to talk about how their dogs get a bad rap because people don't "raise them correctly". That's BS. Dogs that are bred primarily for fighting and have a long "rap sheet" of violent maimings and outright murder cannot blame their tendencies on "bad owners" and expect people to buy it. Show me the last golden retriever that seriously injured someone or killed a child.

    Pit Bull owners buy these dogs and then spend the rest of their lives trying to convince everyone in the world that they're truly sweet and loving at heart and incapable of violence. Why bother? If you want to have a dog for self-defense or because he looks tough or whatever, that's fine. But understand that you will be responsible for keeping that animal in check and don't expect anybody to cut you much slack when you try to bend the rules.

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    Not this again.

    Please people, realize that it is not the dog it is the person who trains them. If someone trains them to fight anything they see, then that dog will be a very vicious dog. Its pathetic that people raise dogs to fight, because they can't fight each other themselves.

    This dog is a beautiful dog, protecting its owner with its life like any well trained dog would. Then only thing you city-slickers know about is dog fighting, therefor they are very vicious (not all of them are fighting dogs, anyway, but you can tell when they are because they are overly aggressive to anything even their own trainer (and the "trainer" usually abuses these animals so the animal thinks that it has to protect itself from everything).

    Therefor, the city-lamers had to make a law against it which is the only thing they can do. But seriously, they don't go to the root of the problem and crack down on dog fights, they ban the dog.

    That is as retarded as the city, the city "officials" and everything else the city spews.

    It is just another blind "solution" that is actually just making more of a problem then providing a solution.

    Therefor, do not target the dog, target the "trainers".

    This is a great dog. If trained correctly any dog can be unleashed but will stay near the owner, because the dog knows that the owner is his friend. Not only that, but he will follow commands too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rooster
    I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of this post before I tell you to shut your suck-hole and get a life. People like "your mon" scare me on the roads and highways, but nobody's is banning her from driving. Get your panties out of a ball, go back to your sanitized idiot-proof hyper-sensitive world , and let the man and his best friend enjoy themselves.

    Excuse me, I need to go back and catch up on all the stories I've been reading about vicious mountain biking dog attacks. Skrew you.
    Way to tell it like it is.

    It's those unleashed Cocker Spaniels that concern me - those things are vicious little monsters - and don't get me started on those Pekingese, I still have a scar on my lip from one of those things biting me when I was 10.
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    Great Dog you have there! Hope you gave him an extra scooby snack when you got home.

    As for as "banning the breed", that's a load of Sh1t! My buddy's daughter has a pit. friendlist dog I've ever met. He'll lick you to death before he ever bits you. You should see him tuck that tail between his leg when she catches him doing something he knows he shouldn't!

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    blame it on the city?

    I am redneck and hillbilly. My family are farmers and raise beef for a living. I understand animals pretty well. I am no "city-lamer" whatever that is supposed to mean. I love dogs, too.

    I guess you think that the generations of Pits that have been bred for their strength and aggressiveness have had no effect on the general temperament and tendencies of the breed. Yeah, right. And I guess that Jack Russels don't really like to bark, and Bloodhounds don't like to track scents, and Retrievers don't really like to fetch naturally, either. Whatever.

    It is very convenient (and lame) to blame it on the media, the politicians, and the inner-city dwellers so you don't have to feel any responsibility for the reputation of the breed of dog you choose to own. Don't get your feelings hurt and get defensive everytime someone reminds you that you have a dog that isn't known as a "model citizen".

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    I was on that very trail about 12:30/1:00 yesterday afternoon. I was thinking to myself, "you know renegade, there is not much traffic on this trail [I'm riding alone, with no dog!], you sure don't want to get hurt out here, no one will find your remains for weeks".
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    Beautiful dog davec113, and know he's game, which makes him even better! I have no problems with dogs of leash, but then I've never been attacked by one.

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    pics of my pit sharpei

    this guy IS the nicest, friendiest dog I've ever met. The spca cuddled him for the first two months of his life(born there), socializing him, etc. Nuture trumps nature in most cases(IMO)



    he did kill a chipmonk once

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    I have to agree that if I come across ANY unleashed dog that I don't know personally, I am very aware that I may encounter a dangerous dog. My personal experience has been that ANY dog can pose a significant threat regardless of the breed.

    I also can't argue that SOME people, NOT ALL PEOPLE, choose to foster the aggressive nature of certain fighting breeds. I CAN provide my personal experience (that's what we do on this site) that would refute the belief that ALL Pit Bulls are bad, even when raised by thugs wanting them to fight. We rescued Pit Bull that was raised as a fighter (scars on face, ears cut completely off). She may look dangerous, but she is one of the sweetest dogs I have ever owned. She hasn't met a single person she doesn't like, including children. EVEN in situations where you might expect aggression from a fighting dog.

    If we are going to talk about danger, let us talk about danger statistics:

    Number of murders in 2003 and 2004.
    2003 1,383,676
    2004 1,367,009

    Somebody please show me statistics that suggest pit bull and other breeds are more dangerous than the species causing the above listed statistics.
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    Just curious what trail you were riding in the front range? I've never seen a moose around these parts, much less a huge bull.

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    Awesome story Davec113. That only speaks well for you as well. I know that dogs will lay lay down their life for their owners, but it's not everyday that you'll have one lunging at a beast as big as a moose. You must be proud. That's sheer devotion between you two. Stories like that makes me want to go adopt a good dog myself (were it not for our spoiled cat).
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    Quote Originally Posted by indy dog
    Just curious what trail you were riding in the front range? I've never seen a moose around these parts, much less a huge bull.
    The wapiti and baptiste trails are secondary trails that flow off of the northern sourdough trail. There is a large moose population that resides in the grandby area; these moose pop over the divide once in a while during the summer. I saw one at west magnolia several years ago; folks thought I was full of sh*t when I spoke about it. Then 3 days later the same moose walked through downtown Nederland, and I was vindicated.
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    The dog hater must be from the South. I've been on rides down there, and thought I was going to be eaten by the random dogs roaming the trail. This is because they're raised as hunting dogs, not pets. I'm a total dog lover, and I was shocked how some people treat, and raise, their dogs. When some of these foks are "done" with their dog, they just ditch them in the woods! Definitely not pets. It's a little different in some areas. I disagree with the Pit overreaction, by the way. Any dog can be raised to be vicious or sweet. Ever seen a pack of beagles tear up a rabbit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyg


    Pit bull owners are quick to talk about how their dogs get a bad rap because people don't "raise them correctly". That's BS. Dogs that are bred primarily for fighting and have a long "rap sheet" of violent maimings and outright murder cannot blame their tendencies on "bad owners" and expect people to buy it. Show me the last golden retriever that seriously injured someone or killed a child.
    Actually, its not the dogs that are bred for fighting, hunting, or herding that are the issue with this breed. Its the Pits that are bred for looks, and the Pits that are bred as guard dogs that are the problem. The fighting dogs are actually some of the best dogs around people and kids, and are not necessarily dog aggressive either. Fighting dogs that show any aggression towards people are culled for obvious reasons, but the people that want guard dogs encourage this trait, and people breeding for looks sometimes overlook this because their priorities are wrong. Like many breeds, recent irresponsible breeding has damaged the integrity of the breed. Just like German Shepherds have been bred disregarding health and temperament, Pits have been bred by irresponsible people too. So yes, dangerous Pits do exist that have temperaments that would never have been produced by a responsible Pit Bull breeder.

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    Pit Bull owners buy these dogs and then spend the rest of their lives trying to convince everyone in the world that they're truly sweet and loving at heart and incapable of violence. Why bother? If you want to have a dog for self-defense or because he looks tough or whatever, that's fine. But understand that you will be responsible for keeping that animal in check and don't expect anybody to cut you much slack when you try to bend the rules.
    I don't know of other Pit Bull owners that will say their dog is incapable of violence, thats rediculous. Pit owners do often try to educate people about misconceptions that have been propigated through sensationalized media events. Most of these "Pit Bull Attacks" that have been recorded by the media have NOT been perpitrated by a pure American Pit Bull Terrier, it just makes the story news worthy to report the strory this way. Pit Bull crosses are not the same dog, some can be much more dangerous when mixed with guard dog breeds, and identifying a Pit Bull isn't as easy as you might think:

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    For those who live around moose, what are you supposed to do when one of them confronts you? I know they are unpredictable and will trample people, especially Bulls. Apparently its rare to survive a moose trampling, I'm sure glad the moose decided not to try to chase us down!
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    For those who live around moose, what are you supposed to do when one of them confronts you? I know they are unpredictable and will trample people, especially Bulls. Apparently its rare to survive a moose trampling, I'm sure glad the moose decided not to try to chase us down!
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    The leash law here states that your dog must be under your control. I have trained mine to heel without a leash. I don't have any concern about her being off leash. She would never bite anyone any-dog or otherwise. She got run over by a bike once and is spooked by bikes so she doesn't do the off road thing anymore sadly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    For those who live around moose, what are you supposed to do when one of them confronts you? I know they are unpredictable and will trample people, especially Bulls. Apparently its rare to survive a moose trampling, I'm sure glad the moose decided not to try to chase us down!
    I went to college in Pocatello Idaho (Idaho native) and spent much time in the Tetons skiing and mountaineering. Everything we learned was to avoid them at all costs - run away, get up a tree, big rocks, etc.

    During the winter of 1972,I watched a bull moose that was standing in the road outside Jackson Hole get annoyed at in idiot in an old VW bug. The guy kept honking at the moose. The moose turned and charged and then methodically made that veedub about 1/2 size as he pounded it from all sides. The guy was scrunched up in the middle, terrified. I was in a VW bus about 6 cars and 100 feet behind, heading north toward Jenny Lake for some xc skiing.

    After about 45 minutes of methodically charging the VW, the moose sauntered off into the woods. The fire department and sheriff had been summoned right after the first moose charge on the VW, and they sat and watched with the rest of us. When the moose finally left, they drove up and extricated the guy from his pulverized mass of metal, and waved the rest of us around. It made the cover of the Jackson Hole newspaper that week. Knowing the sherrif, I'm sure the guy got an earful, and learned his lesson about honking at a moose from 20 feet away.....
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    Makes me wish I could've rescued a cute pit pup from the pound years ago, guess I'll have to head to the pound soon and find another to adopt.
    Yep, we saved a pit off the streets about 7 years ago. She's a sweetheart and as has already been mentioned on this derailed thread, she'll lick someone to death before she bites them. With that said, here's my take at further derailing this thread (because it's monday and I don't feel like working):

    To me, owning a dog is like owning a gun. There is a lot of responsibility a gun owner needs to take, and more so with guns that have greater potential for harm. For example, any gun could be pointed at someone and fired, whether it's a bb gun or a shotgun. Both are going to hurt like hell, but the shotgun has a much, much greater potential of killing you then the bb gun, and as such, the owner of a shotgun has a much greater responsibility to protect the innocent from this potential. This rational should be applied to dogs as well. All dogs can bite and harm other dogs/people/etc., however, Pits have a much greater potential of causing damage then a shepard/retriever/spaniel/etc., because of the physical features that they have been bread with. Because the potential for damage is higher, the owners of Pits and other similar breeds need to be that much more responsible with their furry friend.

    To those of you who fear the loose dog on the trail, let me remind/inform you that dogs are extremely sensative and can easily sense this frear/anger. By you haveing a fearfull attitude, you are helping create the situation you are trying to avoid. Get over your fear, greet the dog, drop down to their level and pet them, and you'll get nothing but licks and a wagging tail.

    BTW, great story and you have a beautiful dog. Here's a couple pics of my Pit from this weekend (yes contrary to what you may think, Pits can swim very well and love to retrieve)




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    i'm all for letting your dogs run free with ya. my dog always loved running thru the woods, along the trail with me. he was never happier. but...

    did i miss the part of the story in which the moose ATTACKED, thereby validating the statement of DEFENSE?

    from what i read, the moose was defending itself from what it could have only assumed to be a predator...
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    Is it me or is Mitrovarr only *****ing about the dog. What about the Moose?? Why was he in the trial?? Who was holding him back??

    Oh, yeah this orginal post was about how my dog may have saved my live. And it turned into my "poor Mommy."

    Am i correct i saying your Mothers dog is the size of a cat. I hate to tell you that ain't a dog.

    Dude your just another person turning a good story into something else.

    Why don't we say for the safety of humans lets eliminate all animals larger then a squirrelfrom being in the woods. So we all have a safe place to ride.
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    Most of these "Pit Bull Attacks" that have been recorded by the media have NOT been perpitrated by a pure American Pit Bull Terrier, it just makes the story news worthy to report the strory this way. Pit Bull crosses are not the same dog, some can be much more dangerous when mixed with guard dog breeds, and identifying a Pit Bull isn't as easy as you might think:
    What difference does that make? Is the general public supposed to be able to discern a mixed bull from a "true American Pit Bull" at 50 yards and thereby gain some sense of safety and security?

    To me, any pit bull-like dog I see off-leash is cause for paying attention and keeping on guard (at minimum). The block head and bulging muscles are usually enough to get an idea that it's a dog you wouldn't want to mess with. Your assurance that true APBTs are not problem dogs means very little to me and the rest of the general public.

    I particularly liked this "factoid" from your second link:

    "For hundreds of years Pit Bulls were bred to fight dogs, certain traits were bred into the bloodlines for that purpose; high pain tolerance, high prey drive, etc."

    Boy, that sure doesn't sound like the kind of dog that would be great roaming free in public and spending quality time with little kids.

    High pain tolerance? Sounds like a dog that could be kind of hard to defend yourself against, kick away, etc.

    High prey drive? I guess you would argue that the "prey" is other dogs and somehow that's OK. That seems to be the argument that the website espouses.

    Just face it, you have a breed that has been bred for violence. Maybe yours isn't violent (yet), maybe it is, but most of us don't care to try and figure out which category it falls in. Just keep it away from me and my kids, and quit whining when people tell you how they feel about the breed. My opinion on your dog's capability for violent behavior is every bit as valid as yours when meeting up in public open spaces. The difference is, I don't endanger you or your family in order to "prove" my side of the argument.

    Don't you even feel the slightest guilt when your dog scares/intimidates/ makes other people nervous? Or do you feel it "serves us right" for our lack of understanding of your OPINION on this breed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rez
    for the safety of humans lets eliminate all animals larger then a squirrelfrom being in the woods
    Still not safe enough, need to eliminate all life other than human...... (/tongue in cheek)
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    Quote Originally Posted by mfisher1971
    i'm all for letting your dogs run free with ya. my dog always loved running thru the woods, along the trail with me. he was never happier. but...

    did i miss the part of the story in which the moose ATTACKED, thereby validating the statement of DEFENSE?

    from what i read, the moose was defending itself from what it could have only assumed to be a predator...
    The moose crashed out of the woods and onto the trail directly in front of me, then turned to face me from 20-30 ft away. Clearly he was in a defensive posture

    Do you know anything at all about moose? They're agressive toward people and dogs, and will happily trample you to death if you annoy them. My dog might have saved my life.

    Did you even read my original post? I'll refrain from calling you retarded this time
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    Dave,
    Nice post. Give the dog a biscutt and a pat on the back for me.

    Next time instead of having the dog save you. Bring a flying squirrel, I understand that moose and squirrrels are great friends.
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    Ok, I know better.

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    I is taken by retarded self outta here......
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    Good Dog

    I also came across a moose this weekend while out riding. I came around a corner and spooked it and it tore off into the woods. Its was a cow, luckily no young ones with it, that I saw anyway. I suppose it probably would have held its ground if it had calves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyg
    I am redneck and hillbilly. My family are farmers and raise beef for a living. I understand animals pretty well.

    It is very convenient (and lame) to blame it on the media, the politicians, and the inner-city dwellers so you don't have to feel any responsibility for the reputation of the breed of dog you choose to own. Don't get your feelings hurt and get defensive everytime someone reminds you that you have a dog that isn't known as a "model citizen".
    Being a redneck and a hillbilly, you probably didn't read this article, but it's an interesting review of dog attacks in the US over the past 4 decades and compares the concept of profiling "pit bulls" (since they're now the tough-guy dog du jour) to Islamic people as terrorists.

    5 pages is likely too long for folks with a black/white view of a particular breed of dog, but it's an interesting article by Malcolm Gladwell.
    http://www.newyorker.com/archive/200.../060206fa_fact

    Dave, you had to know this thread would bring the "I can't believe you ride with your dog unleashed" comments. I'd just let them pass....these people don't know you or your dog. FYI, I had a big bull moose run out in front of me when I was in SLC a couple of weeks ago and it scared the living sh*t out of me. Thankfully, he boogied up the hill past us, but I was freaked for a minute there as we would've had nowhere to retreat (no big trees or rocks to get behind). Nice job, Dorje!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyg
    Just face it, you have a breed that has been bred for violence. Maybe yours isn't violent (yet), maybe it is, but most of us don't care to try and figure out which category it falls in. Just keep it away from me and my kids, and quit whining when people tell you how they feel about the breed. My opinion on your dog's capability for violent behavior is every bit as valid as yours when meeting up in public open spaces. The difference is, I don't endanger you or your family in order to "prove" my side of the argument.

    Don't you even feel the slightest guilt when your dog scares/intimidates/ makes other people nervous? Or do you feel it "serves us right" for our lack of understanding of your OPINION on this breed?
    Theres no issue here about me "facing" anything. My dog will certainly be violent given the correct set of circumstances, as will any dog. I'm not endangering anyone, in fact the cute retriever you just let your kid approach is more likely to bite than my dog is.

    Your opinion isn't actaully valid because it is not based in reality. I don't give a flying f#$k what you think, the only reason I'm responding is because you're typing a load of sh*t onto my thread. I don't need more hype and misinformation being spread. So stop it, you're making yourself look like an idiot. You don't know the facts, and you obviously don't understand what a Pit Bull's personality is like.

    I don't need to feel guilt about people being scared by my dog because it doesn't happen. He comes when I call him, and I don't let him approach dogs on a leash (ever) or other people who aren't obviously happy to see him. %99.9 of people respond in a positive manner when they see him anyway, the other %0.1 I make sure he stays away from. Just like any other dog... people, especially parents of little kids, are wary of dogs no matter which breed it is, and rightfully so. I'd never let my dog near little kids without the parents permission, like any good dog owner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    The moose crashed out of the woods and onto the trail directly in front of me, then turned to face me from 20-30 ft away. Clearly he was in a defensive posture
    that's what moose do, they crash thru woods, meadows, wherever they happen to be. it was obviously coincidence that your paths crossed, i doubt the moose was stalking you. and you said he turned to face you, after you skidded to a stop. hmmm... when i hear something strange behind me, i'd turn around too. the moose was in a DEFENSIVE posture. exactly. as opposed to an OFFENSIVE?

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Do you know anything at all about moose? They're agressive toward people and dogs, and will happily trample you to death if you annoy them. My dog might have saved my life.
    i had several run in with moose while living in northern idaho. not once was i charged. again, the key words are IF YOU ANNOYED THEM. i think he was just as surprised to see you as you were him. its not like you ran up on him while he was grazing & began poking him with a stick, he was just wandering along thru the woods like you. it probably wasn't until your dog attacked that it became annoyed.

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    Did you even read my original post? I'll refrain from calling you retarded this time
    yes. and re-read it. still didn't see anything about the moose attacking you. from what i read, the dog leaped out of the forest and attacked first, whilst the moose & yourself stood there sizing each other up. or am i still missing something?

    don't get me wrong, i'm not against you or your dog, i'm just saying that what happened is not exactly your pit bull defending you from a bull moose attack, as the title implies. nice spin though. kind of like the old south park episode... "they were coming right at us!!!"
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    I've had about 5 moose sightings up there over the years (also seen one t-boned by a Saab up near Cameron Pass- another story), more common than people would think. 2 of those were females with calves. The first time I was night riding around dusk and came upon mother and calf happily eating sapplings. Sat and watched them for about 15 minutes before they ambled off. 2nd time was skiing up near Coney Flats and three (mother and two larger calves) came down the trail at me, I yelled and clicked my poles together and they got off trail and went around me. I was also off trail and in the thickest trees I could find. I've also heard about moose trampling people on trail, especially in deep snow where there's no where for them to go. At any rate, they are up there. Personally I've never felt overly* threatened by them, in awe yes, threatened no. I think that as the guy above stated, both you and the moose were probably equally suprised to see each other. If he wanted to charge I'm guessing your dog, pit or no, would have done little to discourage it. 2 censt worth.

    As far as pits go... well let's just say that I'm cautious around them. I've known a few in the past and regardless of what anyone tells me, owner or otherwise, I still keep an eye on them when they're around me. I'd never have one around children, that's just me though.


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    Yes, it was a coincidence, its all so clear now, thanks!!!
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    still ignoring the reality, eh?

    Gee, Dave, let me attempt to summarize your points:

    1) I don't know enough detailed information about Pit Bulls to register a valid opinion on whether they are dangerous compared to other breeds. Even though some of the propaganda you posted pretty much supports that view. And apparently you are an expert and can speak for all the various pit bulls and pit bull mutts out there with authority.
    And your qualifications for this expert opinion are:
    a) you like the dog
    b) you read the anti-propaganda propaganda to make yourself feel good
    c) you have owned and known, what, ONE representative dog of the breed?
    Boy that's a strong argument. I guess your opinion should be the only one that matters.

    2) I am making myself look like an idiot (according to you)
    Kind of subjective, eh.

    3) You have determined that your dog never scares anyone or makes them nervous. Yeah right.

    4) It is your expert opinion as to whether I am "happy to see him" that determines whether you will call the dog and keep him from approaching me. Boy that makes me feel real safe. What if it was a nervous smile?... I guess I'm the one that should be careful about YOUR dog and my facial expressions when I'm nearby. Lord knows it is incumbent upon the rest of us to make sure you and your OBVIOUSLY friendly dog have all the freedom you need.

    Just keep sticking that head in the sand and denying any responsibility, everything will be just fine...

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    Well Dave, after three pages of mixed responses to sharing your story, do you have any regrets at all of sharing it? For me, my riding experiences are a very personal thing, and granted, your encounter is not a common one, and you wanted to share it, but did you ever predict some of the responses in this thread? This kind of crap is what makes me keep my riding to myself.
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    This tread has been great. I got to read a good story that warms my heart about the wonderful relationship of humans and dogs, I was reminded of my (now funny) moose story above, and I got to add some more f****** i***** to my Ignore list.

    I hate seeing the "piss in your cheerios" posters ruin threads.
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    1. That moose was not a threat to you.
    2. If you really love dogs, get yours fixed.

    I'm glad all animals involved are safe. I too have a pit. They are good dogs.

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    Yeah, it was one of the biggest animals I've ever seen, Dorje wouldn't have had a chance. Maybe I'm exagerating, but his rack looked like it was at least 9 ft. tall. The moose definately was aware of me well before I saw him. I was going 10 plus mph down a rocky trail, so I was making a lot of noise at the time. He had to have heard me coming. He leapt out of the woods and onto the trail with the intention of stopping me, that was always certain. I'm not sure what would have happened had Dorje not got in between us, I'll never know. The fact is he stood it off for about 10-15 seconds while I picked my bike up, turned it around, and got ready to make an escape. You're free to draw your own conclusions, but just because thats you think something doesn't make it so. No one will ever really know what the moose was doing. I have no idea if he intended to trample me or not.
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    You have no idea what my qualifications are.

    You're not worth the effort.

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    Ok, the way you see things is going to be my reality from now on. Maybe I can pm you how my day went, and you can tell me how it "really" is! No one knows if the moose would have trampled me, but given that they do trample people I was worried about it.
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    bye bye

    You have no idea what my qualifications are, either. The difference is, you have already presumed yours are more worthy.

    It's probably better that you run along and leave this issue to the big kids who realize this is a forum, and debate is natural, and disagreement can be an acceptable outcome.

    See ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade
    Well Dave, after three pages of mixed responses to sharing your story, do you have any regrets at all of sharing it?

    It is interesting how rude and judgemental people can be. It reinforces my disappointment in the human race. Even seemingly intelligent people can't keep from making judgements and can't keep an open mind. Compassion is rare these days...
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    But diversity is part of human nature. If everyone were to agree with each other (even on one or two issues), the world would not be what it is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    It is interesting how rude and judgemental people can be. It reinforces my disappointment in the human race. Even seemingly intelligent people can't keep from making judgements and can't keep an open mind. Compassion is rare these days...
    It exists.

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    I went to college in Pocatello Idaho (Idaho native) and spent much time in the Tetons skiing and mountaineering. Everything we learned was to avoid them at all costs - run away, get up a tree, big rocks, etc.

    During the winter of 1972,I watched a bull moose that was standing in the road outside Jackson Hole get annoyed at in idiot in an old VW bug. The guy kept honking at the moose. The moose turned and charged and then methodically made that veedub about 1/2 size as he pounded it from all sides. The guy was scrunched up in the middle, terrified. I was in a VW bus about 6 cars and 100 feet behind, heading north toward Jenny Lake for some xc skiing.

    After about 45 minutes of methodically charging the VW, the moose sauntered off into the woods. The fire department and sheriff had been summoned right after the first moose charge on the VW, and they sat and watched with the rest of us. When the moose finally left, they drove up and extricated the guy from his pulverized mass of metal, and waved the rest of us around. It made the cover of the Jackson Hole newspaper that week. Knowing the sherrif, I'm sure the guy got an earful, and learned his lesson about honking at a moose from 20 feet away.....

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    Great story Davec, thanks for sharing it. Its too bad some people because of their own fears lack an open mind or any true knowledge of the pitbull breed.

    I have a pit bull/lab mix and he is a wonderfull dog, very loyal and loving. Towards other dogs he is all about playing and having a good time, sure sometimes be forgets how big and strong he is when playing with other dogs and can be a little overwhelming, but as an owner I am cautious as to what other dogs he plays off leash with. Some dogs and owners can't handle his strength so I lease him. Towards people he is fine, very friendly and loves to play, I can get him fired up and rough house with me, but as soon as I say 'AH!" or "leave it" he stops. He has never bit anyone and apart from the odd growl here and there shows no aggression towards humans.

    I have grown up with dogs my whole life, my family always had 3-4 dogs at a time, all mutts. There had been several times over the years where myself, or brother was bit by one of the dogs, we had to break up dog fights on the occasion and some of the dogs were very aggressive towards other dogs and these dogs by looking at them were far from scary looking.
    The ways I always see things is "never judge a book by its cover".

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    Hey, you have one hell of a dog there. Very handsome and apparently very brave. This dog stood up to a moose to protect his owner. This is exactly why dogs are man's best friend.

    I own two yellow labs, and although they are more goofy than brave, I would put my full faith into these dogs if I were about to be attacked by a wild animal. I know they would attempt to protect me and they would fight until they died, if needed. That's courage. That's a dog. Bravo Dorje, Bravo!

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    That's a killer story. Thanks for sharing. Nice to see a positive story about an APBT.

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    But diversity is part of human nature. If everyone were to agree with each other (even on one or two issues), the world would not be what it is...
    I happen to think diversity is a good thing, but your conclusion would suggest otherwise.

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    I saw a moose up there a few years ago. Rode/pushed up (Waldrop-don't think it's called that now) to the road near the Brainard Hut, looked across the road and an adult cow was in the meadow eating (about 150 yards away). I just sat and watched for a while. Found it funny that none of the hikers walking by ever noticed it until I pointed it out.

    Glad you, your dog, and the moose parted without incidence. In Alaska, more people are killed by moose than bears. Gotta be heads up on the trails!

    Thanks for sharing the story and pics.

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    What an awesome pit. Obviously the dog felt that the moose was a threat and acted.
    I usually have the opposite problem that Mitrovarr describes... too many people approaching my dog, trying to pet her and asking what breed she is.

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    A Møøse once bit my sister...
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    Good story! That is one of the many reasons they are always with me.

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    I can't believe you let your dog scare a moose. Don't you know that moose are protected.

    To comply with current law, you must allow the moose to stomp you into oblivion if it attacks... and don't scream loudly as you may hurt it's feelings.

    I just might have to call the Bullwinkle society and report you.

    ...and another thing. Don't you know that your pit bull could go off at any second and kill every living thing within a 100 mile radius? Don't you even care? You should thake that dog to a dentist and have rubber caps put on all of it's teeth. Then turn yourself in to the police for harboring a killer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wg
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Shorts
    I can't believe you let your dog scare a moose. Don't you know that moose are protected.

    To comply with current law, you must allow the moose to stomp you into oblivion if it attacks... and don't scream loudly as you may hurt it's feelings.

    I just might have to call the Bullwinkle society and report you.

    ...and another thing. Don't you know that your pit bull could go off at any second and kill every living thing within a 100 mile radius? Don't you even care? You should thake that dog to a dentist and have rubber caps put on all of it's teeth. Then turn yourself in to the police for harboring a killer.
    Hilarious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jlar
    What an awesome pit. Obviously the dog felt that the moose was a threat and acted.
    I usually have the opposite problem that Mitrovarr describes... too many people approaching my dog, trying to pet her and asking what breed she is.

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    Best riding buddy I could ask for.
    That too is a beautiful dog!!
    Of course people come up and try to pet him/her, because everybody knows doberman pinschers were only dangerous in the 1970s (remember The Doberman Gang?). Since the media doesn't report stories about dobermans (that is so yesterday's news) nobody is afraid anymore.
    It is difficult for some people to use the two words "too" and "to" appropriately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    I don't need to feel guilt about people being scared by my dog because it doesn't happen.
    How would you even know? People who are worried about your dog don't necessarily scream and run away. Maybe they drive by and see you walking your pit bull on a path without a leash and think 'crap, guess I don't get to walk that path anymore'. Or maybe they retreat or circle around you without you ever seeing them.

    Look how defensive you got when I suggested you put a leash on your dog. Now, imagine that we consider your dog a legitimate threat to our dog's life - as bad as someone pointing a loaded weapon at it. See how we feel? Yeah, maybe yours is well-behaved and safe, but a ton of people out there have ones that aren't and they aren't exactly easily distinguishable.

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    Boo Hoo

    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    It is interesting how rude and judgemental people can be. It reinforces my disappointment in the human race. Blah blah blah...
    Enough with the crocodile tears. You knew exactly what you were in for when you announced your dog's breed in the title of your post. This thread was a troll from the beginning.

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    What a great dog, truly mans best friend.

    PS: my Bianca (who protects us from bears on almost a daily basis) thinks he is quite the stud.
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    Great story! Sounds like a great riding buddy, I'm sure your dog can pick up on that moose's mood and intentions in ways we can only imagine.

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    You have a very intelligent and good looking dog. Some people are really mis-informed I found out my boxer is also an un-predictable killing machine, ready to attack innocent women and children when they least expect it. I only wish my cold blooded killing machine would protect me in a situation with a wild animal. I am afraid he would try playing with the moose instead, only making the situation worse! Dorje sounds like a great dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davec113
    I was mt. biking today in the Front Range of CO when I came across a HUGE bull moose.
    I'll tell you why this post sucks - no f'n pictures of the ginormous (it's officially a word!) beast!! You couldn't whip out the camera and snap a few pictures Dave?

    Mushrooms are easy to take pictures of

    Holy cripes people have created a useless sh!tstorm out of a great story. Guess what, Dorje doesn't even care he's just looking for the next bend in the trail

    Let's hear those violins again and drown 'em out with some Dorje R&R

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mitrovarr
    How would you even know? People who are worried about your dog don't necessarily scream and run away. Maybe they drive by and see you walking your pit bull on a path without a leash and think 'crap, guess I don't get to walk that path anymore'. Or maybe they retreat or circle around you without you ever seeing them.

    Look how defensive you got when I suggested you put a leash on your dog. Now, imagine that we consider your dog a legitimate threat to our dog's life - as bad as someone pointing a loaded weapon at it. See how we feel? Yeah, maybe yours is well-behaved and safe, but a ton of people out there have ones that aren't and they aren't exactly easily distinguishable.
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    davec113: I love your dog. I am not a big Pit Bull fan, I live in So Cal where they are used primarily by wanna be tough guy d**kheads to feel tough, and I have had some personal experiences that have soured me against them in general. But in general is just that, and your dog is awesome. Cool thread.

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    I am just impressed that the dog came when it was called. I doubt I would've been able to find my dogs, hiding somewhere in the woods, with their heads buried firmly in the pine needles if we ever ran up on a moose...

    We have 2 greyhounds, which are viewed, in other countries, as Pit Bulls are in this country. We also have a retriever/hound mix, which neither can track a scent or has any idea or drive to retrieve. In fact, he hates the outdoors. When we take him to run in the fenced in area (private property, people who run the greyhound adoption place let us borrow their yard for our dogs), he hides in the bushes and refuses to step on wet grass.

    Great story

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    Quote Originally Posted by skyphix
    I am just impressed that the dog came when it was called. I doubt I would've been able to find my dogs, hiding somewhere in the woods, with their heads buried firmly in the pine needles if we ever ran up on a moose...

    We have 2 greyhounds, which are viewed, in other countries, as Pit Bulls are in this country. We also have a retriever/hound mix, which neither can track a scent or has any idea or drive to retrieve. In fact, he hates the outdoors. When we take him to run in the fenced in area (private property, people who run the greyhound adoption place let us borrow their yard for our dogs), he hides in the bushes and refuses to step on wet grass.

    Great story
    hehe won't step on wet grass!
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    Quote Originally Posted by skyphix
    he hides in the bushes and refuses to step on wet grass.
    First dog I had after I went to college was a hell fire terrier / cocker mix. First snowfall of the year he went ripping out the door, slipped on the sidewalk, and whacked into a tree. He wimpered so much I took him to the vet who laughed at the story and said only the doggie ego was damaged.

    The rest of his life he hated snow and tippy-toed on it like he was walking on water and was about to sink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    First dog I had after I went to college was a hell fire terrier / cocker mix. First snowfall of the year he went ripping out the door, slipped on the sidewalk, and whacked into a tree. He wimpered so much I took him to the vet who laughed at the story and said only the doggie ego was damaged.

    The rest of his life he hated snow and tippy-toed on it like he was walking on water and was about to sink.
    Oh, oh, keep them coming!
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    I don't really like how pit bulls looks but urs looks very friendly. But looks can be deceiving.

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    Beautiful dog. The breed is a non issue and having the dog off-lease is a non issue, IMO.

    However, from what you have written, I don't see how your dog defended you from a moose. You encountered a moose in its habitat at close range and then your dog went after the moose. The moose faced you, but it was facing you to determine whether you were a threat or not. I guarantee you it was as startled as you were.

    BTW, your dog is actually very lucky it wasn't injured. Not even a healthy wolf would go head to head with a healthy bull moose. If your dog hadn't of gone after the moose, in all likelihood it would have moved on without any issue.

    We come across moose all the time. They can be dangerous to people (highly territorial and aggressive during breeding in Sept/Oct), but injury to people is rare. It does happen though.

    Funny story. We knew this itty bitty kitty cat that used to stalk moose (which we frequenty see) outside of a family cabin NE of Yellowstone. It was hilarious as the cat would get close, look like it was going to pounce, and then realize that game did not have a future. But he'd do it over and over. No moose even blinked twice over that darn cat and its stalking antics.

    edit: Interesting aside. I see you are in Colorado. CDOW brought moose into colorado (north park) in the late 1970s. There is a debate as to whether moose were introduced (brought in for the first time) or reintroduced (brought back) to Colorado.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edemtbs
    I'll tell you why this post sucks - no f'n pictures of the ginormous (it's officially a word!) beast!! You couldn't whip out the camera and snap a few pictures Dave?

    Mushrooms are easy to take pictures of

    Holy cripes people have created a useless sh!tstorm out of a great story. Guess what, Dorje doesn't even care he's just looking for the next bend in the trail

    Let's hear those violins again and drown 'em out with some Dorje R&R

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    I wish I had pics! The thought didn't occur to me until a couple hours later, but there just wasn't enough time.

    As far as the $hitstorm, I won't participate next time, lesson learned

    Thats a great pic, btw...
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