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    Mongoose Deception

    New to MB , Bought a Wal-Mart 29" Deception...

    Tried to find some info online all I find is threads bashing WalMart
    and/or dumbasses who actually bought one of these like me..

    Going into it I knew It was gonna have it's limitations..
    After all it IS a $200 bike..

    So here is my review so far after riding about 50 miles of singletrack..

    #1 The whole Derailer/shifting system pretty much sukks.
    I tend to stay in the middle ring and only use the top three gears.

    #2 The brakes are soso I guess,I have never ridden a nice bike
    So I have nothing to compare them to.

    #3 At 5'11" I think the frame is a little big for me....
    I MIGHT have an inch of clearance...
    But the welds are very uniform I must say....

    #4 'I'm having a blast riding this bike..

    #5 The seat really sukks ass,that's the first thing I replaced..
    I'm not planning on doing many upgrades to this bike,I'm saving my $
    for a Jamis Exile 1.......

    I will probably end up makin it a SS bike in the future just for kikks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    #4 'I'm having a blast riding this bike..
    That's the most important point

    #5 is also a pretty solid plan. At least you didn't drop $1000 on a bike only to decide this isn't really your thing
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    Sounds like you got a good grip on things. Ride the Mongoose til it dies or you break a part that's not worth replacing. In the meantime, save your money for a nicer bike
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    New to MB , Bought a Wal-Mart 29" Deception...

    Tried to find some info online all I find is threads bashing WalMart
    and/or dumbasses who actually bought one of these like me..

    Going into it I knew It was gonna have it's limitations..
    After all it IS a $200 bike..

    So here is my review so far after riding about 50 miles of singletrack..

    #1 The whole Derailer/shifting system pretty much sukks.
    I tend to stay in the middle ring and only use the top three gears.

    #2 The brakes are soso I guess,I have never ridden a nice bike
    So I have nothing to compare them to.

    #3 At 5'11" I think the frame is a little big for me....
    I MIGHT have an inch of clearance...
    But the welds are very uniform I must say....

    #4 'I'm having a blast riding this bike..

    #5 The seat really sukks ass,that's the first thing I replaced..
    I'm not planning on doing many upgrades to this bike,I'm saving my $
    for a Jamis Exile 1.......

    I will probably end up makin it a SS bike in the future just for kikks..
    #1 A tune up by someone who doesn't double as the BBQ assembler might help this situation (ie spend $50-$60 and have an LBS do a full tune on it, even cheap stuff can shift well if properly tuned).

    #2 To be expected, most disc brakes on sub $500 bikes are mediocre

    #3 29ers tend to have less clearance than equivalent sized 26ers unless designed with a dropped top tube. Your reach fit is the more important measurement. And yes, the Chinese weld just fine these days.

    #4 That is the most important factor

    #5 Seats are subjective, all asses are not alike.

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    New question here. Welcome!!

    hound dog--

    Welcome to the Forum..

    I have been posting over on the "other" Walgoose 29er "Impasse" thread here, but it is now a moot subject, as the Impasse 29er has gone away.

    The reason that you could not find much info on the 'Net about your new Deception is that they are too new to the market..

    There are some comments and one review over on Walmart.com concerning the Deception.

    What color is yours??



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    Hey Eddie,Mine is green,,,And it's turned out pretty tough..I took a bad enough spill
    Sunday Morn that I had to be carried out of trails on a stretcher...I'm beat up good..
    The bike is fine...

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    Thanks Houndog! I am thinking right along those lines, not knowing if the 29er thing is for me! I'm about 5' 10" I guess the color is a crap shoot....

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    #1 A tune up by someone who doesn't double as the BBQ assembler might help this situation (ie spend $50-$60 and have an LBS do a full tune on it, even cheap stuff can shift well if properly tuned).
    +1. I just worked over a NEXT-brand bike, and it's shifting rather well. It's a bit easy to over-rotate the grip shifters, but the shifting per se is spot on. Some adjustments might do wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houndog45
    I took a bad enough spill
    Sunday Morn that I had to be carried out of trails on a stretcher...I'm beat up good..
    The bike is fine...
    Hey, be careful. We don't want to lose you after only two posts. Stick around for awhile, ok?

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    There is another thread already running on this topic. Its gotten pretty heated. Its suspected the Deception is sporting a Performance Access 29er Frame made by Dorel. Here is the thread:

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    Good job! The color is Forest Green...

    Quote Originally Posted by Poikaa
    Thanks Houndog! I am thinking right along those lines, not knowing if the 29er thing is for me! I'm about 5' 10" I guess the color is a crap shoot....

    poikaa
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    The reason I asked Houndog what the color of his Deception was/is: Over on the Walmart
    Bike Website, one Owner was a bit concerned that his Deception was not Silver (like in the example pic of it that I posted) and it was actually Forest Green..green would be good IMHO.

    Another Owner was complaining a bit about how the decals on his Deception were put on very badly and were peeling off. Well----He did not know that this un-clear-coated decal deal is a blessing in disguise... It allows you to peel the ugly suckers right off..

    It says "mongoose" on it in about eight places!!

    So I guess that green it is..thanks again to Houndog...

    And get better quick...

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    I wonder whether my local Walmart has any of these Deceptions yet. So far, they've not stocked any of the 29er offerings.

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    Idea!

    Quote Originally Posted by JonathanGennick
    I wonder whether my local Walmart has any of these Deceptions yet. So far, they've not stocked any of the 29er offerings.
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    I *think* you can actually track this via the WM website...you go in and put your zip code
    in a provided box...the software locates *your* WM and will tell you if they have one..also,
    if you are silly enough to sign-up, they will send you an e-mail, if one comes in..

    Our Super WM is brand new and the only 29er they had was that copper-colored Genesis
    which is really a mis-mash mix-up of parts, Disc brake in the front, and a caliper rim brake in the rear AND the finish was bad...no thanks...

    The Deception is pretty rare And I think that if a store gets one in, it is sold that day..

    S.E.,

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    Just order it online , shipped to your local store .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steady Eddie
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    Jon--

    I *think* you can actually track this via the WM website...you go in and put your zip code
    in a provided box...the software locates *your* WM and will tell you if they have one..also,
    if you are silly enough to sign-up, they will send you an e-mail, if one comes in..

    Our Super WM is brand new and the only 29er they had was that copper-colored Genesis
    which is really a mis-mash mix-up of parts, Disc brake in the front, and a caliper rim brake in the rear AND the finish was bad...no thanks...

    The Deception is pretty rare And I think that if a store gets one in, it is sold that day..

    S.E.,
    I bought the copper Genesis- the decals on it are poorly applied but the color and finish are quite nice. After replacing the bottom bracket, seatpost, saddle and fork (went rigid) it's not a bad starter bike. I'm going to strip the decals and ride it till it breaks- then buy something better.

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    Hope Behold!!

    Quote Originally Posted by floydlippencott
    Just order it online , shipped to your local store .
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    Floyd---

    Of course you can order it...but..I am old school.

    Before I buy anything I MUST behold it. I have to lay hands on it and covet it...

    I have not seen one yet, either..

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    There is another thread already running on this topic. Its gotten pretty heated. Its suspected the Deception is sporting a Performance Access 29er Frame made by Dorel. Here is the thread:

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    I thought that suspicion was just debunked.
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    Lets not let facts deter anyone from rampant speculation .

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    I thought that suspicion was just debunked.
    Lets not let facts deter anyone from rampant speculation .
    The thread is still going. Lots of people have all contributed different ideas. I would say there is no definitive answer yet, until someone takes hi-res photos to compare the frames. Seems like this topic would be better served as a single thread, rather than two separate threads.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...=1#post7477174

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! They are two different bikes..

    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    The thread is still going. Lots of people have all contributed different ideas. I would say there is no definitive answer yet, until someone takes hi-res photos to compare the frames. Seems like this topic would be better served as a single thread, rather than two separate threads.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...=1#post7477174
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    momo--

    I came over here to post for a several reasons:

    #1. The Walgoose Impasse was a full-on rigid frame.

    #2. The Walgoose Deception has a different frame and has a front suspension fork.

    #3. Forum member Houndog45 actually HAS a Deception 29er, so this thread is the
    "go to" thread for all Deception questions.

    The Deception does NOT share a frameset with Access, they are the "same but different".

    I have located some Access photos for everyone to compare to:



    And, the BB



    I the top pic, you can clearly see the top tube is smaller and the length of the weld is longer..also the Access has a different
    headset tube.

    The Impasse 29er is a completely different bike. And one that is no longer sold. Hence the need for two threads..

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    The Impasse 29er is a completely different bike. And one that is no longer sold. Hence the need for two threads..
    The other thread isn't just about the Impasse. All the Walmart 29ers were covered in the discussion at some point. Just seems silly to clutter the 29er sub-forum with two controversial threads about the same thing.

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    Let me know if you want pictures of anything else.Mongoose Deception-img_20101104_211625.jpg

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    Thanks for the pics.........

    Lose the kickstand unless you plan to actually use it.

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    ... and if we just ... Great pics...



    Yes, thanks for the pics..can you take a pic of the rear axle on the brake side??

    S.E.

    BTW--the welds look good....

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    There is another thread already running on this topic. Its gotten pretty heated. Its suspected the Deception is sporting a Performance Access 29er Frame made by Dorel. Here is the thread:

    walmart RIGID 29er

    You're the only one who thinks they're the same frame

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    "Dorel" doesn't actually build any frames.

    Dorel owns Pacific, and GT, and Schwinn, and a host of other companies/names.

    The products for the above companies are made by a few different factories in China.

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    You're the only one who thinks they're the same frame
    I never said the Impasse frame and the Decption are the same frame. I said that all the walmart 29er models may not have uniform frames in thier respective lines. Maybe I didn't articulate it correctly, but I was addressing multipe points, one of which being that procuement of the frames may not be from a uniform source.. But you can feel free to stay as confrontational as you wish.

    "Dorel" doesn't actually build any frames.
    Yeah, they owns the factories that make the frames. Your point makes no sense.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Stay on topic!!

    This is a thread that discusses the Mongoose Deception 29er..only.

    We could care less about the Dorel Corporation, Huffy/Airborne or who built what/when..

    We also do not care about discontinued bikes such as the Impasse..keep it current and on topic.

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    We could care less about the Dorel Corporation, Huffy/Airborne or who built what/when..

    We also do not care about discontinued bikes such as the Impasse..keep it current and on topic.
    WE? It does matter who built it. Why take pictures, then? To compare it to what? Its like you are denying the possibility that frames are not uniform per bike model at walmart. There isn't enough input to put it to rest. Sure, its not the main part of the disucssion, but still contingent enough.

    Lets loose our minds when laymen try to figure where something they buy is made and who did the manufacturing. Its a forum, the only thing we can do to uncover kernels of the truth is to continue the dialog. Not every utterance is going to be correct.

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    Yeah that pic doesn't look anything like the Performance frame. Still, I think the 200 dollar Walmart bike has come a long way, it looks at least rideable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I never said the Impasse frame and the Decption are the same frame. I said that all the walmart 29er models may not have uniform frames in thier respective lines. Maybe I didn't articulate it correctly, but I was addressing multipe points, one of which being that procuement of the frames may not be from a uniform source.. But you can feel free to stay as confrontational as you wish.



    Yeah, they owns the factories that make the frames. Your point makes no sense.
    Dorel doesn't even own the factories...

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    Dorel doesn't even own the factories...
    You're kidding, right? Do I need to go into my earlier discussion about Subsidiaries and limited partnerships again? Go read the Dorel 10-K fillings if you are unsure about what I am referencing. If you don't want to or don't think you need to? Then wallow in ignorance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    You're kidding, right? Do I need to go into my earlier discussion about Subsidiaries and limited partnerships again?
    Just clearing the air for "full disclosure"... Dorel actually "produces" kids furniture...
    I would be highly doubtful that they owned any of the manufacturing facilities

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    Sorry to all for the hi-jack...I'll shut up now....

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    Please post proof that Dorel owns bicycle frame manufacturing facilities . I'm sure that you must have proof that was gathered in your Nancy Drew style "investigation" . Proof or it didn't happen .

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    I'm sure that you must have proof that was gathered in your Nancy Drew style "investigation" . Proof or it didn't happen .
    I'm not losing any sleep over it. This isn't a peered reviewed journal, so I don't need to get my references approved by the "MTBR review committe" before they are published. I've cited enough for anyone to go read the 10-K related documents. If you don't think Dorel outright owns the plants or doesn't have a financial stake in them, you are living in a fantasy.

    My hats off to all you SENIOR members of MTBR, you're a bunch of *****. Good looking out for the sport/hobby and community.

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    Please prove your assertion that Dorel owns them .

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    Back up your claims with proof .

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    Why should anyone care? I'm sure the beginners coming to post about thier new WalGoose 29'ers were terribly interested in which company owns the plant where the frame is assembled. Will they sleep better over their purchase now, have more fun riding if they think they bought the same frame as Performance Access 29'er, or will they just wonder why the thread is hijacked with various obnoxious minutiae? No one seems to have any interest in this except you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    Why should anyone care? I'm sure the beginners coming to post about thier new WalGoose 29'ers were terribly interested in which company owns the plant where the frame is assembled. Will they sleep better over their purchase now, have more fun riding if they think they bought the same frame as Performance Access 29'er, or will they just wonder why the thread is hijacked with various obnoxious minutiae? No one seems to have any interest in this except you.

    I contributed to the mess and I apologize.... You guys have fun and enjoy the ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by momosgarage
    I'm not losing any sleep over it. This isn't a peered reviewed journal, so I don't need to get my references approved by the "MTBR review committe" before they are published. I've cited enough for anyone to go read the 10-K related documents. If you don't think Dorel outright owns the plants or doesn't have a financial stake in them, you are living in a fantasy.

    My hats off to all you SENIOR members of MTBR, you're a bunch of *****. Good looking out for the sport/hobby and community.
    why does it matter who builds a frame in the first place. If the sette, performance, mongoose and specialized are all made by the some frame manufacturer in asia somewhere does that make one better than the other? Worse?

    Seems like encouraging a rider to ride is supporting the community much more than trying for whatever reason to point out that they bought an "evil" Asian produced bicycle. Have a look in the mirror and see who is really supporting the community.

    and what is your reason for all the e-hate? If you have a beef with bikes made in asia then I suspect that you probably only ride a bike made in america, that is sourced and welded here (probably a steel frame to boot) have a fox fork, and obviously single speed as most shifting parts are made in asia too. I suspect that you probably run the Raceface cranks, but the high end ones that were milled in Canada and of course the White Bros. freewheel on your paul hubs. Brakes? I would guess formula, hopes or hayes as I guess Europe is better'n asia in that respect.

    Or is it Walmart perse? Is it that someone came into the mountain biking fold through a cheap bike and now already has designs on a Jamis?

    Frankly I think it is great that the OP bought a mongoose deception (or for some reason I keep reading it as decepticon) and its a reasonably decent off road bike. I hope he gets a new "name brand" bike from a local shop some day and I hope he gives the mongoose to a friend for him or her to learn this sport and I hope they continue to pass it along ad nauseum.

    If you don't like Walmart for their effect on the local economy etc, I sure as hell hope you don't buy your bike stuff online. Me I just don't shop at walmart, but I also don't spend my time proselytizing on the internets regarding the evil walmart/dorel/giant whatever. I support new riders no matter the bike because at one time I started on a cheap bike and like it. Now I ride a cheap bike and still love i plus i am too busy with vapor trails conspiracies :google it!
    Try this: HTFU

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    Funny cartoon picassomoon, but if you are alluding to this discussion, its would seem that both charactures would be claiming to have a baseball that is not in plain sight.

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    I would buy the damn bike if it was called the Decepticon! Maybe make another one in red white and blue and call it the Optimus Prime! They wouldn't be able to keep those things on the shelf!

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    Quote Originally Posted by picassomoon
    I would buy the damn bike if it was called the Decepticon! Maybe make another one in red white and blue and call it the Optimus Prime! They wouldn't be able to keep those things on the shelf!

    I know right...I was a little disappointed when I finally came in here and realized it was a hardtail called a deception. I felt a little deceived about the bike. Was expecting some sorta blocky, colorful, nicolai type frame.

    Maybe something that could swap from road bike to mountain bike with the flip of a switch...and megan fox.
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    and what is your reason for all the e-hate? If you have a beef with bikes made in asia then I suspect that you probably only ride a bike made in america, that is sourced and welded here (probably a steel frame to boot) have a fox fork, and obviously single speed as most shifting parts are made in asia too. I suspect that you probably run the Raceface cranks, but the high end ones that were milled in Canada and of course the White Bros. freewheel on your paul hubs. Brakes? I would guess formula, hopes or hayes as I guess Europe is better'n asia in that respect.
    You jumped in a little late. I was on the side saying "the bike frames are coming from the same place" and that some may even be the same frame sold on higher end models or sold directly at Pricepoint or Performance. I got crapped on for posting that theory, by those types of "bike snobs" which you accused me of being.

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    No I was pointing out that you are slagging a rider who is enthusiastic about his bicycle then accusing people of not supporting the sport.

    The OP was obviously very excited about his bike (see his point #4), there was no reason to come in and turn the discussion to the merits or lack thereof of his choice in bike.

    And you will also notice that just cause the bikes are made in the same factory they are not the same bike. Just built by the same workers/robots.
    Try this: HTFU

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    am i the only noticing the site has been hacked and there is a GIANT photo of a road bike in every single posts and it has thrown the site out of kilter???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    am i the only noticing the site has been hacked and there is a GIANT photo of a road bike in every single posts and it has thrown the site out of kilter???????



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