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    lol.. i jumped over a kid today

    so i'm going down a single trail looking for my gf because me and my friend were riding and hit a fork and we went left but my gf was apparently farther back than i thought, and we lost her. so i'm barreling down the trails looking for her and i go over a turn and see the kid who fell and i didn't have time to stop so i bunny hopped over him. his father was yelling at me slow down, like i have to slow down............your ****ing kid's on a bike with like 10" wheels, who's like 5 years old, and you're letting him lay in a turn on his back like a turtle, and i'm getting yelled at? it was getting dark too.. i finally found my gf, at the fork. she's so good... her parents taught her well... if you get lost stay where you are haha anyways i thought it was kinda cool cause i totally thought i was gonna run the little bastard over


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    apparently people don't want to read the whole thread, so... i was drunk when i posted this... i had to post a recap of it sober, again... because people keep making assumptions that i already clarified on pages 2-god knows when this thread will end...

    anyways, like i've said numerous times, i was not riding outside of my own comfort, i was going the right direction down a single track came around a bend, and boom, kid on the ground. i could see OVER the shrub and saw the dad alone, on his bike. I tried to see how fast he was moving so I would know to stop after the turn turned straight without coming up right behind him. during that, again... i see something coming around the bend sticking out, a split second later i'm jumping over the kid. if by the time i saw anything on the ground i tried to stop, i would have skid into him, definitely hurting him. anyways, when i landed, before i had an opportunity to say anything, the father was yelling at me at the top of his lungs, STILL ON HIS BIKE. this dude made no attempt to get off his bike. i don't even think he knew that his son had fallen until after i came up, which means that he was not paying attention to his own child, who was very very young, which is why the kid shouldn't be behind him. next to him, in front of him, thats one thing. but this specific guy, he couldn't keep an eye on his kid, so that's why i say the kid didn't belong there, or at the very least, he should have been in a visible position. so the dad's yelling, and i decided to just leave, because there's really not a whole lot i can do in that situation. if i stayed, he may try to hit me, there's another young son there, etc... in the middle of the woods with 2 kids and their dad i'm not gonna stick around to throw fists. maybe some of you would do that in front of your kids instead of considering the fact that you made a terrible call when it came to supervising your children, but that's up to you to decide when that time comes. i made sure the kid was ok, i made sure to really lift the back wheel up over him because i didn't know how high i could get the front without any warning, but it was enough thankfully, so i turned my head back and made sure he was ok, and peaced out before it got ugly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    so i'm going down a single trail looking for my gf because me and my friend were riding and hit a fork and we went left but my gf was apparently farther back than i thought, and we lost her. so i'm barreling down the trails looking for her and i go over a turn and see the kid who fell and i didn't have time to stop so i bunny hopped over him. his father was yelling at me slow down, like i have to slow down............your ****ing kid's on a bike with like 10" wheels, who's like 5 years old, and you're letting him lay in a turn on his back like a turtle, and i'm getting yelled at? it was getting dark too.. i finally found my gf, at the fork. she's so good... her parents taught her well... if you get lost stay where you are haha anyways i thought it was kinda cool cause i totally thought i was gonna run the little bastard over
    You display very poor judgement. That, along with your cavalier attitude, will result in a trail-side altercation in your near future...
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    Lets just say you are lucky you cleared him. If not it would have been very ugly. Consider yourself lucky you got away with that one. Don't plan on being so lucky in the future.
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    Everyone is so judgmental. The OP saved the kid injury by hopping over him... Get off your high horses. I can't stand preachers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    Everyone is so judgmental. The OP saved the kid injury by hopping over him... Get off your high horses. I can't stand preachers.
    What if the dad were helping the kid up? Would the OP have been able to jump him, also? Or, would it have resulted in a collision?

    If the OP wasn't "barreling down the trails" while looking for his GF then maybe he would have been paying enough attention to stop in time...

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    Do you not barrel down the trails normally? Or do you ride scared and cautious afraid that you are going to run over a 5 year old around the next turn? (I really hope you dont) He would have been careless if he went around that turn and was not able to control his bike like he did. Do you live your life as "what if?" all the time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    Do you not barrel down the trails normally? Or do you ride scared and cautious afraid that you are going to run over a 5 year old around the next turn? (I really hope you dont) He would have been careless if he went around that turn and was not able to control his bike like he did. Do you live your life as "what if?" all the time?
    OK, I'll play the scenario. My kid has fallen down and the OP comes flying around the corner and jumps over him. I'm already concerned for my kid and now I'm pissed that I see somebody jump over him rather than stop or veer around him.

    At this point if the OP stops and says "Hey, dude, sorry about that. I didn't think i could get around him in time so I made a quick judgment and hopped over. Everything OK?" I'd calm down and thank him for trying to avoid further injury.

    If the OP stops and says "your ****ing kid's on a bike with like 10" wheels, who's like 5 years old, and you're letting him lay in a turn on his back like a turtle, and i'm getting yelled at?" then one of us is about to get a beat down.

    By the OP's statement I believe he wasn't paying as much attention as he should have been. And, when I ride I do think of "what if" when i'm heading around blind corners. It's one way to keep me (and others safe).

    It's a blind corner, he's "barreling down" the trail, "it was getting dark too", and he's preoccupied with finding his GF. You're gonna tell me he was displaying his best judgement? Please, go ahead and explain that to me....

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    Pics or it didn't happen. The kid hopping and the girlfriend.

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    At this point I'm not even defending the OP anymore, I'm more just completely bothered by your entire point of view of the outside world. Now, I agree that that given the circumstances (getting dark, worried about finding someone, trying to do it quickly, etc.) the degree of risk and possibility of the OP causing a collision were elevated. However, I don't agree with your statement about him lacking character and possessing poor judgement. Who are you to say that? Have you never made a careless mistake while you were preoccupied by something else? Are you the almighty one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    At this point I'm not even defending the OP anymore, I'm more just completely bothered by your entire point of view of the outside world. Now, I agree that that given the circumstances (getting dark, worried about finding someone, trying to do it quickly, etc.) the degree of risk and possibility of the OP causing a collision were elevated. However, I don't agree with your statement about him lacking character and possessing poor judgement. Who are you to say that? Have you never made a careless mistake while you were preoccupied by something else? Are you the almighty one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    At this point I'm not even defending the OP anymore, I'm more just completely bothered by your entire point of view of the outside world. Now, I agree that that given the circumstances (getting dark, worried about finding someone, trying to do it quickly, etc.) the degree of risk and possibility of the OP causing a collision were elevated. However, I don't agree with your statement about him lacking character and possessing poor judgement. Who are you to say that? Have you never made a careless mistake while you were preoccupied by something else? Are you the almighty one?

    I'm sorry if I have sinned against you.
    You didn't sin against me... And, I didn't say anything about the OP's character.

    I did say he displayed poor judgement and he had a cavalier attitude. I still stand by both statements...

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    But I still do not get how you can say he displayed poor judgement. The only thing you can say is that maybe the OP should have been more apologetic to the kid and the father. However, the father could have ran around the back side of the turn to warn people that his son was down on the ground. Did his father display poor judgement? No he did not, he just did not do the designated "right thing". But I'm betting next time he will run and wave people down. Both parties learned something, and that's what happens when these incidents occur. People learn from their mistakes. I'm done with this after this post, and I do not follow any religion (I don't want you to think I am teaching your any golden commandments), but seriously man, who are you to tell people they possess poor judgement. If you have never made an piss poor choice in your life, then I highly commend you and I shall listen to every word and piece of advice you give for the rest of my life. If not, then, well, F**k off. You are not better than any single person on this forum, or anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    Everyone is so judgmental. The OP saved the kid injury by hopping over him... Get off your high horses. I can't stand preachers.
    ... said the preacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    But I still do not get how you can say he displayed poor judgement.
    I'll say it again: It's a blind corner, he's "barreling down" the trail, "it was getting dark too", and he's preoccupied with finding his GF. You're gonna tell me he was displaying his best judgement? Please, go ahead and explain that to me....

    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    The only thing you can say is that maybe the OP should have been more apologetic to the kid and the father.
    Hence my statement about the OP's cavalier attitude...

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    Both parties learned something, and that's what happens when these incidents occur. People learn from their mistakes.
    I'm not sure either one of them learned anything. What did the OP learn?

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    If you have never made an piss poor choice in your life, then I highly commend you and I shall listen to every word and piece of advice you give for the rest of my life. If not, then, well, F**k off. You are not better than any single person on this forum, or anywhere.
    You stay classy...

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    This is why I use high volume tires. I roll over kids without even feeling a bump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    This is why I use high volume tires. I roll over kids without even feeling a bump.
    Maybe that'll swing me over to the 29er side

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    Quote Originally Posted by velveteer View Post
    Maybe that'll swing me over to the 29er side
    Be careful, with rolling that easy you may start aiming for those little pests.

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    Seems to me, if your on a trail that a five year old can ride on a 10" bike, maybe you should keep your speed in check just a bit. You know, in case there's a five year old on the trail...

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    I'd wager most of us have made bad choices, and learned from them. Unlike the OP, who doesn't even seem to recognize that he could have made a better choice. I don't see any problem calling him out on that.

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    Too bad it wasn't caught on a gopro!

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    Totally cool dude! You rule at jumping five year olds and looking for lost girlfriends.

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    /threadrantfromanoldguy

    Am I the only one bothered at this type of interwebz writing?
    haha... i jumped over a kid lol. haha my gf went down the trail 1st and she lol'd @ wen i jump over the kid... dad was like wtf. haha.
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    At any rate, bunny hopping a kid and putting people in danger was stupid. Thanks for placing yourself in front of the MTBR firing squad, voluntarily.

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    If that was one of my children it would have gotten ugly. Its all fun and games until you have seriously injured a child. Poor judgement indeed.

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    The OP was oblivious to what was going on around him. He was preoccupied with finding his girlfriend and happened to get lucky when he jumped the kid. OP how do you know the kid didn't just fall right before you got there? Maybe the dad hadn't had time to react and get his son out of harms way. Do I ride constantly worrying about what might happen? No. I live by a saying I first heard in basic training; Stay alert, stay alive. It's simple. I don't like that people are so oblivious because of a single distraction such as cell phones, computers, television or lost girlfriends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zstrange View Post
    Seems to me, if your on a trail that a five year old can ride on a 10" bike, maybe you should keep your speed in check just a bit. You know, in case there's a five year old on the trail...
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    Maybe his girlfriend wasn't actually lost - maybe she was ditching him

    All kidding aside bunny-hopping the kid was reckless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    You didn't sin against me... And, I didn't say anything about the OP's character.

    I did say he displayed poor judgement and he had a cavalier attitude. I still stand by both statements...
    Well I come from a skiing background....so it is kinda of a natural thing to do to stop on the uphill side of the down person....it allows others to see you stopped (the guy down is often very hard to see).

    It also means that they have to plow through you to get to the down (or hurt person)...

    So if it was my kid I would have been uphill of the kid helping him up....

    If I heard Mr. Go Fast coming....I would have stood and faced him....in a crouch kinda like a line backer.....

    Well you get the end result.

    Kid would not have been jumped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zstrange View Post
    Seems to me, if your on a trail that a five year old can ride on a 10" bike, maybe you should keep your speed in check just a bit. You know, in case there's a five year old on the trail...
    It sounds more like the OP needs to move off of the beginner trails and onto the advanced stuff.

    Time to step up brah.

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    I once bunny hoped 13 kids (my buds), laying side by side. I know it was voluntarily, but does that make as cool as OP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    I once bunny hoped 13 kids (my buds), laying side by side. I know it was voluntarily, but does that make as cool as OP?
    Nope, it makes you a troll.

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    I also get the impression the OP was going backwards down the trail to retrace his "steps" to find his GF at the fork. Theres ABSOLUTELY zero excuse for hauling balls the wrong direction down a trail aside from the first time youve ridden a trail and taking a wrong turn. The hopping over the kid was the best decision in a shotty situation, but the OP put himself and the kid in that spot. The attitude after the fact is something that would you get a trailside pummeling around here. The blatant bragging about the event on the internet just makes the OP a dbag.
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    I'll bet he wouldn't be bragging about it if he had ran into his girlfriend flying down the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    Nope, it makes you a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    so i'm going down a single trail looking for my gf because me and my friend were riding and hit a fork and we went left but my gf was apparently farther back than i thought, and we lost her. so i'm barreling down the trails looking for her and i go over a turn and see the kid who fell and i didn't have time to stop so i bunny hopped over him. his father was yelling at me slow down, like i have to slow down............your ****ing kid's on a bike with like 10" wheels, who's like 5 years old, and you're letting him lay in a turn on his back like a turtle, and i'm getting yelled at? it was getting dark too.. i finally found my gf, at the fork. she's so good... her parents taught her well... if you get lost stay where you are haha anyways i thought it was kinda cool cause i totally thought i was gonna run the little bastard over
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    when he crashes it takes a little while for him to get up....he rides the local ST.

    slowing down around blind turns is not a bad thing to do...in fact it's common sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theMeat View Post
    I once bunny hoped 13 kids (my buds), laying side by side. I know it was voluntarily, but does that make as cool as OP?
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    Nope, it makes you a troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHUM View Post
    my son at 2 years 6 months


    when he crashes it takes a little while for him to get up....he rides the local ST.

    slowing down around blind turns is not a bad thing to do...in fact it's common sense.
    Raised up off the saddle like a boss. NICE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
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    OP doesn't grasp the concept of "faster than conditions warrant". He has a brilliant future in reckless driving charges if he gets old enough to get a driver's license.
    I'm enjoying my childhood way too much to ever give it up.

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    To the OP -- You CLEARLY do not have children of your own. Trust me, I am 100% sure you escaped out of luck, not skill ... and I'm not referring to avoiding the collision. I'm referring to avoiding the dad. For whatever reason, he let it go. 9 times of 10 my bet would be no amount of speed would get you away from a major test of your 'skill' with punches and knees flying into your face from the significant majority of dads in the same situation. I don't know the reason why the dad wasn't blocking for his son (maybe one-direction trail so he didn't need worry about your approach from the front of his son?), but regardless, his error pales by a million times compared to your stupidity. Barreling down to find your gf? Judging from the fact that a child was on the same trail, low likelihood that her delay was because she could've been seriously injured or maybe attacked by a bear, so your reaction was overkill and almost had serious consequences. Getting dark? The kid was still on the trail. How old is your gf? More reasonable judgment would've delayed you at most 5-10 minutes from the sounds of things. Had that been my son, your season would be over at a minimum.

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    ok, the father was like 20' away, and wasn't even looking at the kid until i came around the corner because i saw him first and he turned his head. i looked down, saw the kid and jumped and then stopped and made sure he was ok. the father flipped out and i was like f-that. i saw the kid, and didn't run him over. i would have been going that fast down the trail no matter if i was looking for someone or not. i ride this trail every other day, its one direction, and there's not many people there. this is one of the few times i've actually seen anybody on that trail specifically. me and my gf are both 30 years old, she's a vp at a finance firm, and i do freelance computer graphics. we're not 15 years old, and i do have a drivers license with no accidents or anything. this has nothing to do with my lifestyle. people always attack the character in the most ignorant way on the internet. i was barreling down to find her because thats how i ride that trail and i figured the sooner i got to the bottom the quicker i'd find her, and the quicker we'd get out before we lost light. yes, i have a fast pace. yes, i do it going the correct direction on a st. yes, i try to see over and around turns before rounding them, but sometimes you can't see everything. if i was going slower, i probably still would have ran the kid over because i definitely wouldn't have seen him til i was in the turn. i'd have probably jackknifed and in an attempt to stop short and ended up toppling over onto him because i would have been skidding into him anyways, which would probably do more damage than running him over.

    no i'm not a parent, but i did bring my nephew out a lot when he was a kid to the same trails when my sister lived near there, and no, i would never leave him laying in a blind turn. i'd walk over there and get him out of the way. i snowboard, and if you fall or you want to chill, you don't do it on a turn, you do it on a straight path where people can see you, on the side, where you're not in the way. same goes with any sport. if your child doesn't want to continue you don't lay them in the middle of a turn, you drag them to the side, or you bring them to a place where they will be seen instead of run over. to me, thats bad parenting.

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    If you are riding with a group and loose visual contact with people you are riding with when you reach a trail intersection or "Y", wait at that point until the rest of your group catches up so you don't end up with "lost" group members. Its a pretty basic group ride concept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    ok, the father was like 20' away, and wasn't even looking at the kid until i came around the corner because i saw him first and he turned his head. ... same goes with any sport. if your child doesn't want to continue you don't lay them in the middle of a turn, you drag them to the side, or you bring them to a place where they will be seen instead of run over. to me, thats bad parenting.

    have you considered the kid may have just then hit the ground?..like 2 seconds earlier.

    as far as the rest....if you blow thru a blind turn w/out the ability to stop before crashing into skunks, fallen logs, children, runners, deer, the michelin man, bug bunny, etc.... you are going too fast for conditions...

    we all have done it.

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    my friend was behind me and i asked if my gf was behind him and he said yes.. both ways on the fork led to the same concrete path out of the st, so it really didn't matter which way she went regardless. i got out and looked down the path to see if she was there but she never came out, so i went back in the wrong way and hit up another trail to go the right direction to come up from behind her, which is where that kid was. i sent my friend to the path where they both exit in case she came out so i figured we had all our bases covered. it was a pretty simple thing, swing back around get her, leave. didn't plan on somebody leaving their kid in a trail. i don't think that you should ever be 20' in front of a child that small when you're on a trail, they should be in front of you so you know when they fall or something. no? i dunno, i'm not a parent so i obviously can't make any assumption as to what constitutes good parenting when you ride a mtb.

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    The slower rider should have been put in the front of your group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    ok, the father was like 20' away, and wasn't even looking at the kid until i came around the corner because i saw him first and he turned his head. i looked down, saw the kid and jumped and then stopped and made sure he was ok. the father flipped out and i was like f-that. i saw the kid, and didn't run him over. i would have been going that fast down the trail no matter if i was looking for someone or not. i ride this trail every other day, its one direction, and there's not many people there. this is one of the few times i've actually seen anybody on that trail specifically. me and my gf are both 30 years old, she's a vp at a finance firm, and i do freelance computer graphics. we're not 15 years old, and i do have a drivers license with no accidents or anything. this has nothing to do with my lifestyle. people always attack the character in the most ignorant way on the internet. i was barreling down to find her because thats how i ride that trail and i figured the sooner i got to the bottom the quicker i'd find her, and the quicker we'd get out before we lost light. yes, i have a fast pace. yes, i do it going the correct direction on a st. yes, i try to see over and around turns before rounding them, but sometimes you can't see everything. if i was going slower, i probably still would have ran the kid over because i definitely wouldn't have seen him til i was in the turn. i'd have probably jackknifed and in an attempt to stop short and ended up toppling over onto him because i would have been skidding into him anyways, which would probably do more damage than running him over.

    no i'm not a parent, but i did bring my nephew out a lot when he was a kid to the same trails when my sister lived near there, and no, i would never leave him laying in a blind turn. i'd walk over there and get him out of the way. i snowboard, and if you fall or you want to chill, you don't do it on a turn, you do it on a straight path where people can see you, on the side, where you're not in the way. same goes with any sport. if your child doesn't want to continue you don't lay them in the middle of a turn, you drag them to the side, or you bring them to a place where they will be seen instead of run over. to me, thats bad parenting.
    Once in a while, things happen that you cannot prepare for. Do I slow down to walking pace on every blind turn? No.

    But you had the skills to protect the kid, so bravo to you.

    On the other hand, would I take young children on single track where a rider could barrel down on them? Or let them ride ahead me? No.

    I'm not surprised the dad is pissed but what can you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    my friend was behind me and i asked if my gf was behind him and he said yes.. both ways on the fork led to the same concrete path out of the st, so it really didn't matter which way she went regardless. i got out and looked down the path to see if she was there but she never came out, so i went back in the wrong way and hit up another trail to go the right direction to come up from behind her, which is where that kid was. i sent my friend to the path where they both exit in case she came out so i figured we had all our bases covered. it was a pretty simple thing, swing back around get her, leave. didn't plan on somebody leaving their kid in a trail. i don't think that you should ever be 20' in front of a child that small when you're on a trail, they should be in front of you so you know when they fall or something. no? i dunno, i'm not a parent so i obviously can't make any assumption as to what constitutes good parenting when you ride a mtb.
    Sounds like a rodeo...to me

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