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    Sooo.... Does anyone else let loose beans when they ride over rocks? Oh... Whoops! I thought this was Passion.
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    Putting things into perspective, what would have happened if you switched roles? Let's say you were leading, and your GF washes out in the turn. You being the faster rider, are ahead and turn around to find the father of the kid coming hot into the turn. Let's say he tries bunnyhopping your gf, and clears it or doesn't clear it, regardless, wouldn't that have been pissed off and wanting to beat some ass anyways? I mean who dares compromise the safety of your loved one, right? In which case, isn't that pretty much the same reaction the dad has when he sees someone doing that to his kid?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    The shift key is used for capitalizing letters. The enter key is used to create paragraphs.
    There is also an excellent button up to the right, labeled "Log Out".

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    Quote Originally Posted by axe View Post
    there is also an excellent button up to the right, labeled "log out".
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    If she fell in the turn like that I'd have said watch out and come forward a few feet and get to the side. If she couldn't get up, I'd be there in a split second because I'd be under the assumption that she was pretty hurt. Would I just let her lay there? No. Would I blame the guy who runs into her in a blind turn I just took, no. Well unless he acted like an ******* after the fact, which I didn't do, the father did. So, with the shoe on the other foot, no. I saw no excuse to be that far away from a child that small.

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    bunny hopping is a valuable skill for getting over people-sized obstacles.... obviously, children are easier to get over than adults, as evidenced by this awesome video. I think the OP is lucky the kid didnt get up and throw his bike at him.

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    I can see myself laughing and riding off in that video. What a load of shiit
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    There was no child, and no bunny hop.

    What a load of ****ing bollocks.

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    I wonder if the OP wears a full face and armor like the wizbangs in the vid, cuz they're so sending it... (love that vid)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tubbsy View Post
    There was no child, and no bunny hop.

    What a load of ****ing bollocks.
    You think so? It seems legit. He's hinging his whole (see what I did there?) argument for his ass hattery on the fact that the father was a whole 20' away from the kid and that if the father had been closer, he wouldn't have had to bunny hop the kid. Pretty adamant on this.
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    I am of the opinion that any self respecting father, if witness to such an act of stupidity would have covered the twenty feet in such a timely manner and administered an ass whooping of epic proportions never witnessed before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I am of the opinion that any self respecting father, if witness to such an act of stupidity would have covered the twenty feet in such a timely manner and administered an ass whooping of epic proportions never witnessed before.
    Ha,ha .....
    Alright so I have skimmed by this thread numerous times in the last 5 day's without opening it. Apparently the title didn't appeal to me enough to peak my interest. Looks like missed another flame on flame off of a thread.
    Really! you actually bunny hopped the kid and kept right on riding, as the father screamed at you. You should of at least stopped and talked it out with the dude. Hey it was mostly his fault for placing his kid in harms way. But even so a gesture of stopping and making sure he was alright and then explaining how dangerous trails are with blind corners and young kids.
    This action may have helped in keeping one more person from turning sour towards our sport.
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    Running over kids is not cool...
    Hopping over them is.

    Pulling off a tailwhip while jumping them is even better.
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    ou2mame, judging from some of your posts I donít think you quite have the meaning of empathy right. Empathy refers to the ability to realize and understand how another person is feeling, even if that person doesnít say anything to you. Imagine for a moment that you where the childís father and you just witnessed somebody ďbarreling down the trailĒ around a blind turn, unable to stop, but instead bunnyhopped your child. Most people would agree that would be a horrific sight, even with a successfully executed bunnyhop. Wouldnít you have a mixture of emotions that would include fear, anger, and astonishment among others in a situation like that?

    If it were me who happened to be in your situation and bunnyhopped a kid lying in the trail I would have been totally freaked out and incredibly apologetic. Even if I had bunnyhopped the kid, that is just an unacceptably close call. Your cavalier attitude towards a situation that could have turned out much, much worse is difficult for me as well as others to comprehend. You seem to be completely oblivious as to the gravity of this situation and how the father must have been feeling.

    At the end of the day itís everybodyís responsibility to ride in control. I like to ride fast and aggressive - both uphill and down. However when circumstances dictate, such as coming to a blind corner I slow down a bit, apply a little braking action to control my speed. You should never assume that a blind corner is clear, even if you never see people there because one of these days there could be somebody there, just like what you witnessed.

    Thankfully you didnít hit the child this time but if you have to rely on a bunnyhop to miss somebody or something lying in the trail, then youíre going way too fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwbikur View Post
    oblivious as to the gravity of this situation
    actually i dont think the op understands gravity in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DIRTJUNKIE, View Post
    Hey it was mostly his fault for placing his kid in harms way.

    No, it was not. Irresponsible morons are at fault, not a father taking his son outdoors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    No, it was not. Irresponsible morons are at fault, not a father taking his son outdoors.
    Hey I agree the irresponsible morons bombing down a blind cornered single track are 1/2 the problem. But the other 1/2 of the problem is a father who is clueless enough to put his 5 year old (not much bigger than a toddler) in harms way. Letting the kid fall in the middle of a blind corner well traveled single track. Without going up trail to warn others. The father is at much fault as the morans bombing with no reguard for others. I am all for a father getting the kid out to enjoy the outdoors but also be a responsible parent and control the kid.
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    funny how the kid has now shrunk to a toddler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    funny how the kid has now shrunk to a toddler.
    Ha,ha good call... Fixed it for ya.
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    That video is priceless!!! that chick is a f*@king retard.... She slams on her brakes and then takes a MINOR fall wearing full star wars storm trooper battle gear and she acts like she's been shot...

    Whoever called laughing and riding off i agree....

    As for bunny hoping over kids, bad move, don't do it again and move on.
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    How do we know if the kid had just fallen down and the dad had just noticed him and was turning around to help? When I road with my kids I was at least 20í in front of them. I was more worried about the riders coming at us not the ones coming up from behind.

    Some of you are assuming that just because the kid is laying on the ground and only 5 years old that he canít ride and the dad should be holding his hand.
    Hereís a photo of a friend of mine when he was 5 and Iíll bet his dad rode more than 20í in front of him.

    Any way Iím just saying, some kids at 5 years old are very good riders (I see them on our trails all the time) and some like my friend could probably bunny hop over the OP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock dude View Post
    How do we know if the kid had just fallen down and the dad had just noticed him and was turning around to help? When I road with my kids I was at least 20í in front of them. I was more worried about the riders coming at us not the ones coming up from behind.

    Some of you are assuming that just because the kid is laying on the ground and only 5 years old that he canít ride and the dad should be holding his hand.
    Hereís a photo of a friend of mine when he was 5 and Iíll bet his dad rode more than 20í in front of him.

    Any way Iím just saying, some kids at 5 years old are very good riders (I see them on our trails all the time) and some like my friend could probably bunny hop over the OP.

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    Who said anything about the kid being a bad rider. The kid was down we know nothing of his riding skills. If the kid was a good rider he would have known enough to pick his ass up and move off the trail. If he was a beginner rider his dad should know enough to stay close enough to him in case of a wipe out. He could then get him off the trail. I know first hand of young kids being good riders. I have two nieces and a nephew who grew up in a MTB race family. They are all accomplished riders. And all were riding clipless pedals at age 6 which amazed the hell out of me. The oldest girl who is seventeen now has numerous BMX trophies from 5-9 years old. At age 7 she was competing against the boys in her age group. Hey some kids can rock it. It all depends on what they are exposed to from an early age.
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    For those that do not bike while carrying a slide rule or struggle with algebra, at 10 MPH, you cover 14.7 feet per second. So, if the dad was 20 feet away, we are talking about a little over a second (1.4 seconds for those that need a little more precision) to cover 20 feet. At 5 MPH, we are still under 3 seconds. Considering the dad was riding in front with a little gap (5-10 feet or 1 - 2 bike lengths at a minimum), where exactly would you expect to see him if an accident occurred? 20 feet up the trail would be really a minimum distance.

    Take away point 1: If the kid crashed and the dad was 20 feet away when he was stopped, we are honestly talking about 1-3 seconds of riding to cover this distance.

    Take away point 2: If the kid had crashed and the dad rode for 1-3 seconds to stop when the bunny hop bandit barreled into the scene, I would cut the kids some slack for still being in the trail. I know that I don't spring up instantly and I know that I have to get up quickly. A 5 year old doesn't understand this at all. Again, we might only have been talking about 3 seconds. Even if we are talking about 10 - 30 seconds, there could be a bit of shock and adjustment to the situation.

    Take away point 3: Accidents happen. Sometimes there is collateral damage (ever see the Tour de France?), so ride under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    For those that do not bike while carrying a slide rule or struggle with algebra, at 10 MPH, you cover 14.7 feet per second. So, if the dad was 20 feet away, we are talking about a little over a second (1.4 seconds for those that need a little more precision) to cover 20 feet. At 5 MPH, we are still under 3 seconds. Considering the dad was riding in front with a little gap (5-10 feet or 1 - 2 bike lengths at a minimum), where exactly would you expect to see him if an accident occurred? 20 feet up the trail would be really a minimum distance.

    Take away point 1: If the kid crashed and the dad was 20 feet away when he was stopped, we are honestly talking about 1-3 seconds of riding to cover this distance.

    Take away point 2: If the kid had crashed and the dad rode for 1-3 seconds to stop when the bunny hop bandit barreled into the scene, I would cut the kids some slack for still being in the trail. I know that I don't spring up instantly and I know that I have to get up quickly. A 5 year old doesn't understand this at all. Again, we might only have been talking about 3 seconds. Even if we are talking about 10 - 30 seconds, there could be a bit of shock and adjustment to the situation.

    Take away point 3: Accidents happen. Sometimes there is collateral damage (ever see the Tour de France?), so ride under control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    For those that do not bike while carrying a slide rule or struggle with algebra, at 10 MPH, you cover 14.7 feet per second. So, if the dad was 20 feet away, we are talking about a little over a second (1.4 seconds for those that need a little more precision) to cover 20 feet. At 5 MPH, we are still under 3 seconds. Considering the dad was riding in front with a little gap (5-10 feet or 1 - 2 bike lengths at a minimum), where exactly would you expect to see him if an accident occurred? 20 feet up the trail would be really a minimum distance.

    Take away point 1: If the kid crashed and the dad was 20 feet away when he was stopped, we are honestly talking about 1-3 seconds of riding to cover this distance.

    Take away point 2: If the kid had crashed and the dad rode for 1-3 seconds to stop when the bunny hop bandit barreled into the scene, I would cut the kids some slack for still being in the trail. I know that I don't spring up instantly and I know that I have to get up quickly. A 5 year old doesn't understand this at all. Again, we might only have been talking about 3 seconds. Even if we are talking about 10 - 30 seconds, there could be a bit of shock and adjustment to the situation.

    Take away point 3: Accidents happen. Sometimes there is collateral damage (ever see the Tour de France?), so ride under control.

    Completely irrelevant numbers. If there is any obstacle on the trail, no matter how and when it appeared there, one should be able to stop after noticing it. If you can't stop or can't notice, you must ride slower, until you can. End of story.

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    these were seriously like 13" wheels. the kid was very young, and shouldn't have been on that trail, obviously, because of its steep decline, and roots and whatnot, shown by the fact that he was on the ground. if the father really wanted to take him down that trail, he should have been behind him. its like he had just taken the training wheels off and went oh hey this is a good idea....well, it wasn't.

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    You do the math.
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    Ok you jumped him, good that's cool, at least you didn't run into him. But to brag about riding out of your ability to the point where you're not safe around others just makes you look foolish, not to mention what you do to the reputation of your fellow mtbers. Whether you think, or they really are too young has nothing to do with it. FYI, there's no age or size limit on trails, and it's not up to you to decide who's ready for what trails. As a matter of fact he's probably lucky he was so small other wise you may not have cleared him.
    Unfortuately some people have to learn the hard way, or be taught a lesson. Whether it's learning to stay off the trail on blind spots, or traveling too fast around them. He was a little kid, what's your excuse? Seems that you didn't learn anything other than some skills on how to win a retard contest on the interwebz, since just about everyone here agrees and is asking you to be more respectful of others safety, yet you continue. It's ok to be wrong as long as you realize it. Just means that now you have a better understanding.
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    i'm having a hard time understanding what i did wrong. it was more of a freak accident, caused by the negligence of a parent. do you slow down while going downhill on every turn? i could see over the shrubs on that turn and saw the father further ahead. i planned on clearing the turn, then slowing down. i was also spending a few milliseconds trying to calculate how fast he was going, so i knew how quickly i had to stop once around the turn. this is all while going through the turn, so this is all happening in a very short period of time. i look down, see the kid, jump, and slow down and look behind to make sure i cleared him. at the same time the father's standing on his bike off the seat yelling at me, like i've just done something wrong.

    again, i can understand how this guy is angry at me, but it was HIS negligence that caused the incident. if your kid is that small, make sure he's in front of you so that a rider that does come up won't run into him, they'll run into you... you're the father, bigger, badder, angrier, braver, etc... thats your job. you don't however, let your kid lay on the ground in a turn. this wouldn't have happened if the father was more interested in his son and less interested in his own riding. he was far enough away to be of no use if something happened, esp like what happened. if you want me to say that i'm sorry, that i did something wrong, sure... tell me exactly what it was. i was going too fast downhill... on a trail. a one way trail. while observing ahead of me. who the hell prepares to see a child laying on the ground around a bend. do you ride your brakes downhill? if i was going slower, i wouldn't have had the speed to clear him, but i probably would have hit him. if i ditched into the woods, the bike would have come out and hit him because the trail is sided on both sides with very dense shrub.

    i'm not learning to ride slow. so that lesson's out the window. you people want to bash me and act like i'm out there looking for trouble, thats your thing say whatever you want. i haven't insulted anybody, i'm not bashing anybody's character... but i find it funny that the majority of people who think they're right about a situation that they weren't involved in have to make assumptions about me and my character to prove it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    i'm having a hard time understanding what i did wrong. it was more of a freak accident, caused by the negligence of a parent. do you slow down while going downhill on every turn? i could see over the shrubs on that turn and saw the father further ahead. i planned on clearing the turn, then slowing down. i was also spending a few milliseconds trying to calculate how fast he was going, so i knew how quickly i had to stop once around the turn. this is all while going through the turn, so this is all happening in a very short period of time. i look down, see the kid, jump, and slow down and look behind to make sure i cleared him. at the same time the father's standing on his bike off the seat yelling at me, like i've just done something wrong.

    again, i can understand how this guy is angry at me, but it was HIS negligence that caused the incident. if your kid is that small, make sure he's in front of you so that a rider that does come up won't run into him, they'll run into you... you're the father, bigger, badder, angrier, braver, etc... thats your job. you don't however, let your kid lay on the ground in a turn. this wouldn't have happened if the father was more interested in his son and less interested in his own riding. he was far enough away to be of no use if something happened, esp like what happened. if you want me to say that i'm sorry, that i did something wrong, sure... tell me exactly what it was. i was going too fast downhill... on a trail. a one way trail. while observing ahead of me. who the hell prepares to see a child laying on the ground around a bend. do you ride your brakes downhill? if i was going slower, i wouldn't have had the speed to clear him, but i probably would have hit him. if i ditched into the woods, the bike would have come out and hit him because the trail is sided on both sides with very dense shrub.

    i'm not learning to ride slow. so that lesson's out the window. you people want to bash me and act like i'm out there looking for trouble, thats your thing say whatever you want. i haven't insulted anybody, i'm not bashing anybody's character... but i find it funny that the majority of people who think they're right about a situation that they weren't involved in have to make assumptions about me and my character to prove it.



    I think that there is alot of "jumping to conclusions on alot of our parts.I also think this all could have been avoided had you been carrying a Slide Rule in your Camelbak. I know for me after reading this thread a Slide Rule is a definate addition to my Camelbak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpinDirt View Post
    I think that there is alot of "jumping to conclusions on alot of our parts.I also think this all could have been avoided had you been carrying a Slide Rule in your Camelbak. I know for me after reading this thread a Slide Rule is a definate addition to my Camelbak.
    i actually have an app that does measurements for me. i'm always on the trail, calculating trail measurements before even attempting. first i do a run through nice and slow, taking notes of every turn, and every possible point that a child could be fallen at.. sometimes i even bring my friends kid and just drag him behind the bike in a trailer, not strapped in of course...and when he falls out, i put a bow on a nearby tree to mark a place where an unbuckled child may fall out of a trailer.. because you never know.

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    Well you know, I've ridden with all sorts of kids on the road and single track. When I am alone with them, I'm in front to be in a position to guide them and control the speed. Being in front also protects me since little squirts can be unpredictable. It is also unnerving to have someone sucking wheel on a trail. When there are two or more adults, we will run a sweeper.

    Accidents do happen. The father did nothing wrong. He signaled to you that a rider was down--age and size are irrelevant. What did you do wrong? You should have slowed with his verbal warning. You should have slowed to the point to ask if they needed help after barreling through the scene. Should the bunny hop been unavoidable, you should have stopped to apologize and say you felt that was the only option. Asking if they need help only takes a second.

    Enough has been said already and I'm moving on now so that I can pack my slide rule for my next ride.
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    I would have ran the kid over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AC/BC View Post
    I would have run the kid over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    i actually have an app that does measurements for me. i'm always on the trail, calculating trail measurements before even attempting. first i do a run through nice and slow, taking notes of every turn, and every possible point that a child could be fallen at sometimes i even bring my friends kid and just drag him behind the bike in a trailer, not strapped in of course...and when he falls out, i put a bow on a nearby tree to mark a place where an unbuckled child may fall out of a trailer.. because you never know.
    No you just go fast enough to not be able to stop if you see a kid on the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    i'm having a hard time understanding what i did wrong. it was more of a freak accident, caused by the negligence of a parent.
    Lets see what you did wrong.

    You were riding too fast.

    You are very lucky that you did not cause serious injury to another person.

    Child or not.

    If you can't ride in control, don't ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    again, i can understand how this guy is angry at me, but it was HIS negligence that caused the incident.
    You clearly believe in your point of view, which is fine, I suppose -- it is common for people to blame others for their minor infractions, while the person's own behavior is the principal cause of the harm. There are many ways to analyze any case.

    But let's put it this way. Say you were going fast, in a rush to find your GF, admittedly not paying full attention to the trail, couldn't stop when you saw the kid down, and harmed the kid. Say the kid sued you in a court of law under negligence theory. I'd take the kid's case to a jury any day of the week. You may think you were right, but I'd wager a jury wouldn't agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    these were seriously like 13" wheels. the kid was very young, and shouldn't have been on that trail, obviously, because of its steep decline, and roots and whatnot, shown by the fact that he was on the ground. if the father really wanted to take him down that trail, he should have been behind him. its like he had just taken the training wheels off and went oh hey this is a good idea....well, it wasn't.
    Look just change the kid to an adult with a broken leg.....and you were going to fast so you had to jump him....

    The issue is totally that you were riding too fast and out of control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    For those that do not bike while carrying a slide rule or struggle with algebra, at 10 MPH, you cover 14.7 feet per second. So, if the dad was 20 feet away, we are talking about a little over a second (1.4 seconds for those that need a little more precision) to cover 20 feet. At 5 MPH, we are still under 3 seconds. Considering the dad was riding in front with a little gap (5-10 feet or 1 - 2 bike lengths at a minimum), where exactly would you expect to see him if an accident occurred? 20 feet up the trail would be really a minimum distance.

    Take away point 1: If the kid crashed and the dad was 20 feet away when he was stopped, we are honestly talking about 1-3 seconds of riding to cover this distance.

    Take away point 2: If the kid had crashed and the dad rode for 1-3 seconds to stop when the bunny hop bandit barreled into the scene, I would cut the kids some slack for still being in the trail. I know that I don't spring up instantly and I know that I have to get up quickly. A 5 year old doesn't understand this at all. Again, we might only have been talking about 3 seconds. Even if we are talking about 10 - 30 seconds, there could be a bit of shock and adjustment to the situation.

    Take away point 3: Accidents happen. Sometimes there is collateral damage (ever see the Tour de France?), so ride under control.
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    After spending some time with this thread, I sympathize with the OP. If he was going slow enough that he could perform a 6 inch (or so) bunny hop over the leg of a kid (or something like that) he probably was going slow enough for the terrain. Or, as slow as most riders I know would be going. This is why I yell and scream and make monkey noises every time I go around a blind corner so this way any rider coming the other way knows I'm there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    This is why I yell and scream and make monkey noises every time I go around a blind corner so this way any rider coming the other way knows I'm there.
    My trick on a blind corner on one of my trails is to whistle like I'm calling my dog. I figure that's more likely to slow an oncoming rider down (based on threads I've read here I figure he has to slow down to get his pepper spray, gun, and kicking shoes ready).
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    Regardless of whether you were right or wrong, I think hopping over a kid shows great control. How many people can easily hop over a log at speed? I ride with some very skilled folks that still let the rear of the bike take some impact when approaching logs. Completely clearing a kid shows great control. Yes, you may have been going a bit fast, but it is mountain biking. I assume the trail is multiuse so everybody (fathers and sons included) should be prepared for others on the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffscott View Post
    Look just change the kid to an adult with a broken leg.....and you were going to fast so you had to jump him....

    The issue is totally that you were riding too fast and out of control.
    Precisely. The point isn't whether or not the kid should have been there because it could have been any obstacle, be it another person or something else. It's every rider's responsibility to ride in control.

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    i was born in 81 so bmx was pretty much inevitable for me in the 90s. but i switched to mountain biking about 10 years ago. i can control a bike, i've been on one for 25 years. i don't think it has anything to do with my speed, because i wasn't going extremely fast. the father didn't signal anything to me. didn't wave his arms, nothing. he wasn't even looking at me i saw the back of his helmet. as soon as i saw him i prepared to slow down after the turn. i wasn't going to slow down in the turn. maybe i'm wrong.. maybe i should just ride with the expectation that children will me laying around the trail in various places hidden like easter eggs. but i'd really like to know this father's thought process bringing a kid with 13" wheels to a trail like that. he had another son with a 16" wheel bike as well, but that son was in front of him. i made sure i didn't hurt the kid, but the father was yelling and screaming so i wasn't going to stick around and ask if he needed help. i didn't want to instigate a situation between me and an irate person, in front of their children. my philosophy is, i'm not going to offer people help when they are threatening bodily harm. maybe i'm a ****** bag, but that's just my thing. if you want to be a dick, you don't deserve my help. but if you guys with your children and big muscles who will beat me up if you lay your children around the trail do go out with your kids and your kids do fall, just drag them to the side or something, or throw their bike around the turn before it comes up so people know something's going on. don't just stand there like an idiot acting all surprised that there's other people in this world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    This is why I use high volume tires. I roll over kids without even feeling a bump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ou2mame View Post
    i was born in 81 so bmx was pretty much inevitable for me in the 90sSo what. but i switched to mountain biking about 10 years ago. i can control a bike,Not if you are riding too fast i've been on one for 25 years. i don't think it has anything to do with my speed, because i wasn't going extremely fastBS then you should have stopped. the father didn't signal anything to me[COLOR="red"]So what/COLOR]. didn't wave his arms, nothing. he wasn't even looking at me i saw the back of his helmet. as soon as i saw him i prepared to slow down after the turn. i wasn't going to slow down in the turn. maybe i'm wrong.. maybe i should just ride with the expectation that children will me laying around the trail in various places hidden like easter eggs.Bingo or perhaps any person down on a trail for any reason but i'd really like to know this father's thought process bringing a kid with 13" wheels to a trail like that. he had another son with a 16" wheel bike as well, but that son was in front of him. i made sure i didn't hurt the kid, but the father was yelling and screaming so i wasn't going to stick around and ask if he needed help. i didn't want to instigate a situation between me and an irate person, in front of their children. my philosophy is, i'm not going to offer people help when they are threatening bodily harm. maybe i'm a ****** bag, but that's just my thing. if you want to be a dick, you don't deserve my help. but if you guys with your children and big muscles who will beat me up if you lay your children around the trail do go out with your kids and your kids do fall, just drag them to the side or something, or throw their bike around the turn before it comes up so people know something's going on. don't just stand there like an idiot acting all surprised that there's other people in this world.
    Your fault for not riding in control Totally.

    If you want to ride out of control you need to have a closed course with people checking i out all the way down...

    Otherwise RIDE in CONTROL so that you can stop in an emergency.

    You were going way too fast.

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    Yea going to fast for the situation, everyone need to whistle or bell chime around blind corners if you're not going to ride them slow. I love to ride the trails fast esp the corners, but I still follow safety thinking.

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    what still cracks me up is the op tries to come off all badass and gnarly saying he was hauling down a tough technical trail yet a little kid on a bike with tiny wheels was going up that same trail. and he was a ways in so obviously he was hacking it ok. so i pose the question to you op, superhuman 5 year old or do you just suck?

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