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    Lardification Of America --

    Lardification . . .

    The federal agencies who keep track of this stuff in the US just released this item:

    In 1985 no state in the union had a 20% portion of their population who was clinically obese. Clinically Obese is defined as a BMI (Body Mass Index) above 30.

    Body mass index is defined as the individual's body weight divided by the square of his or her height.

    Now, in 2011, only one state has less than 20% of their population who is clinically obese. That state is Colorado at 19.88%.

    Maximum weight capacity on household bathroom scales used to be 250 lbs. -- back in 1975. Then it went to 300 lbs. Currently, standard max. capacity for household bathroom scales is 400 lbs.

    Heart disease, due largely to being overweight, is the number one cause of death in the US, followed closely by smoking.

    -- discuss . . .
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    I work at a restaurant in Vegas and am constantly disgusted by our patrons. One time I had a guy sit down at my table, the guy was easily over 300lbs, he was wheezing and out of breath. He says to me "im really thirsty can you please get me a banana milkshake". I went into the kitchen and nearly puked from laughing so much. Sad state of affairs though with this country for sure.

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    It was inevitable, (as with many other issues that this country faces) given our immense wealth and overabundance of everything.

    I find that being disgusted by overweight people accomplishes nothing though.

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    Heaven forbid you actually discuss this in public. The mere topic of obesity ranks up there with politics and religion as a taboo conversation to have.

    Having so many fatties lumbering around has made it socially acceptable to be eat yourself to death.

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    shocking...but I've got to say BMI is kind of BS as far as assessing a person's fitness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spindelatron View Post
    shocking...but I've got to say BMI is kind of BS as far as assessing a person's fitness
    Except for sumo wrestling, I think it is a pretty good measure. Look at people that are at the "top of their game" in sports and competition. I think you'll find the results fairly consistant. I thought I was just a big "bigger" and thicker than most, not fat, able to ride many hours and power up crazy climbs, but now I'm nearly 50lbs lighter and I can do even more amazing stuff. It made a huge difference.
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    was your BMI above 30 before?

    so does that mean 80% of Colorado is "at the top of their game"

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    Interesting, it has become increasingly obvious but I just wonder where they get this info? Myself, my family or anyone I know for that matter has never been tested for body fat content?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pathogenic View Post
    Having so many fatties lumbering around has made it socially acceptable to be eat yourself to death.
    Using pejorative language accomplishes nothing. Just as calling gay people "faggots" and African American people "n******," calling overweight people "fatties" is pointless, counterproductive and, quite frankly, not acceptable in a society that preaches equality and justice for all.

    And yes, it has become somewhat "socially acceptable to eat [oneself] to death," however that is not due to "having so many fatties lumbering around." Having so many "fatties" in this society is merely a symptom of the social acceptability to "eat [oneself] to death."

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    Sheeeesh, thats what's wrong with this country today, nobody can take an insult anymore. Everybody's so damn sensitive, "Hit em with your purse Alice!!!"

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    I see plenty of over weight people in Denver. But its still far fewer then my native Chicago. In my experience there are far fewer over weight people in ski towns where an active lifestyle predominates.

    At the hospital where I work in the IT department we were asked to stop referring to the laptops nurses use as COWs (computers on wheels) because it could offend a patient if you were over heard saying something like, "Boy that COW is being a pain in the a**."

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2wheelsnotfour View Post
    I see plenty of over weight people in Denver. But its still far fewer then my native Chicago. In my experience there are far fewer over weight people in ski towns where an active lifestyle predominates.

    At the hospital where I work in the IT department we were asked to stop referring to the laptops nurses use as COWs (computers on wheels) because it could offend a patient if you were over heard saying something like, "Boy that COW is being a pain in the a**."
    lol, you could call them Computers on Castors (CoCs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spindelatron View Post
    shocking...but I've got to say BMI is kind of BS as far as assessing a person's fitness
    But then again, since it's not meant to asses fitness who really cares if it's "BS as far as assessing a person's fitness"?

    BMI is based on averages, to give you a baseline to know that you probably need to assess your body composition.

    If you have a high BMI because you're an elite athlete with a lot of lean muscle . . . fine. But if you're 50% body fat, you might want to make some lifestyle changes.

    The problem is, especially now that in U.S. society being overweight is becoming the norm, many people who have high body fat do not perceive themselves as being overweight. Calculating BMI is easy, so if you have a BMI over 30 you have something concrete to tell you that you need an honest assessment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechanizedDNA View Post
    Sheeeesh, thats what's wrong with this country today, nobody can take an insult anymore. Everybody's so damn sensitive, "Hit em with your purse Alice!!!"
    I can take an insult. I just laugh 'em off. What I am saying is that it's really just an unnecessary waste of energy to insult people. It accomplishes literally nothing. It's an apathetic response to a problem. That is what is wrong with this country.

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    I look around here in Mass and can't believe we're a lean state. I think mass was ranked 47 fattest

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    Obviously, there are going to be a lot more overweight people if roughly 1/3 of the population is obese. One would expect that at least 1/3, although I would bet it is slightly higher, of people are overweight. I would expect that 25-27% of people are actually at an ideal weight. BMI is an ok tool to determine obesity. I would agree that it probably isn't suited for NFL players, or other elite, strength based athletes.

    If we are going to overcome this issue, there are many things that need to be addressed. First, it is something that needs to be publicly addressed. The is a large cost associated with obesity in human and fiscal terms. However, there is a fine line here. Did anyone see the Yoplait commercial with the blonde girl who was debating about eating a slice of cheesecake? It was basically pulled since it promoted the thinking associated with having an eating disorder, which was the justification about why it is ok to eat something, or ways to compensate when you eat something "bad."

    Portion control and the number of times a person eats per day is another. There is a lot of conflicting information. Recently, a study looked at the way people eat and found that people in the US now eat close to 5 meals per day. This is up from about 3.5 meals 40 years ago. That means people are snacking more between meals. Yet, many diet plans encourage people to eat every 3-4 hours. The downside is that we eat all the time and we get used to the function of eating, rather than eating when we are actually hungry. We can have huge portions, but then we must stop snacking, or one can have small portions and eat constantly. Either way, one seriously needs to monitor calories in. Forget the whole calories from fat, or from protein, etc. That is too complicated. If people would measure out a serving size and try to stick to 2000 calories a day, they would be much less likely to become obese.

    Another concern is the work schedule in the US. If you are a salaried employee, I doubt you work a 40 hour week. Two of the last three positions I have held have been salary based and I've averaged 60+ hours per week, minimum. When I was an hourly employee, I worked three jobs to cover the bills and ended up working well over 60 hours a week then, too. This leaves little time for exercise. The downside for employers is that many will end up picking of the bulk of the cost of health insurance for obese and overweight employees. This is going to lead to increased cost for the company and employees. Even if you provide workout facilities, some employees may not be able to leave their work long enough to use such a facility. Other employers prefer that you utilized the facilities on your own time, but the again when you work 60 hours a week and have a family, when do you have time?

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    I am fortunate that my job is so physical that I can eat fairly casually. Mountain biking isn't even really a fitness thing for me, it's more a fun thing. I am at target heart rate several times a day, it' s one long 12 hour interval training event day after day. I don't eat much, a bowl of Honey Nut Cheerios for breakfast, a couple of peanut butter & honey on wheat bread sandwiches for lunch and whatever I want for dinner. I range from 200 to 210 pounds at 5' 9". I don't do as much physical work in the winter for the gullet pudge kicks in but I usually have that burned off by summer. I always build muscle mass just from the day to day grind.

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    I'm 135 soaking wet, and have been since High School. I did absolutely nothing for it, it's in my genes.

    Maybe some of these "fatties" simply have a larger body type ?

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    This is a topic I have followed closely for decades. Most of my family is obese. One is morbidly obese.

    Did you know the CDC has added a new category, super morbidly obese. A BMI of over 45 or 50. Almost 20 years ago, it was reported there were over one million 400 pounders in the U.S. Today it is likely a much greater number.

    Frontline did a great show on obesity many years back. I think the CDC began tracking obesity in 1982. They showed a map of the U.S., showing one state shaded in pink, representing a population with a BMI over 20. In the following years, all states turned pink, except Colorado, and most states gradually were shaded red, meaning their population exceeded 25. Now Mississippi leads the pack, with 34% of it's population obese. If you look at the past trend, you can predict that in a few short years, 50% of the U.S. will be obese, along with rising numbers of morbid and super morbidly obese.


    There have been heated debates about health care in the U.S. Many feel it is a right for all Americans. Do they fully understand that 75% of health care costs go to treat obesity and smoking related illnesses. That percentage will only grow, as more people choose to harm their health. This effects us all. Medicare, medicaid and SS recipients all take out much more than they contribute. As more and more people have to be treated and given SS disability payments at earlier and earlier ages, it will shorten the life of those entitlement programs, or cause them to go completely broke.

    Harsh language or insults to those causing this to happen, will not solve the problem, but people better not be afraid to confront the people and the issue, before it's too late, and even the healthy folks lose out on SS and medicare.

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    I've been trying to quit smoking for a while because I know it is bad for me and I won't do my family any good if I am dead, but a few know it all guys at work have really been giving me **** about how bad it is for me and basically just piss me off every time I try to take a smoke break. Both are pretty overweight and one is WAY overweight, well north of 300 lbs and had to have knee replacement surgery. After a few weeks of him bothering me, I finally had enough. I asked him if he thought weighing twice as much as he needed to was any healthier. He was a little stunned. People easily recognize smoking as bad, but don't pay much attention to the fact that they are 400 lbs and have diabetes as a result. Hopefully I will be off the smoking wagon soon and can keep my weight down, less I turn into a fat ass and trade one bad thing for another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AllisonWunderland View Post
    Lardification . . .

    Now, in 2011, only one state has less than 20% of their population who is clinically obese. That state is Colorado at 19.88%.

    Maximum weight capacity on household bathroom scales used to be 250 lbs. -- back in 1975. Then it went to 300 lbs. Currently, standard max. capacity for household bathroom scales is 400 lbs.

    -- discuss . . .
    And at any time, 80% of the 20%+ from any given state who are clinically obese can be found in a Walmart parking lot. What a sad trend...
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    Fat people are disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by old'skool View Post
    Maybe some of these "fatties" simply have a larger body type ?
    True, some do. But when I see friends and acquaintances who were thinner and healthier back in HS and college (25-30 years ago for me) who are now packing the double chins, beer guts and muffin tops and look 20 years older than they are, likely has more to do with life choices (poor choices regarding health) than body type.
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    Growing up in a Bay Area suburb, I never really saw many fat people. I'm not sure why, but a lot of the people walking around the local Safeways and the malls and everything are kinda alright, mostly a bit overweight, but not obese. (I'm sitting here with a glass of milk and a brownie for lunch.)

    I went up to Reno a few weeks ago for college orientation. My parents and I were eating dinner in one of the "restaurants" in the hotel/casino we were staying. It got to the point where my parents started having a competition to see who could count the most fat people. It was horrifyingly gross.
    I've made some bad decisions like taking the gears off my bike. So here's the warning: Do not as I say, nor as I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mechanizedDNA View Post
    Interesting, it has become increasingly obvious but I just wonder where they get this info? Myself, my family or anyone I know for that matter has never been tested for body fat content?
    Well . . .

    I get medical care through the VA. VA records my weight, knows my height, and all the records go into a federal data base that tracks veterans and their health.

    Any doctor does pretty much the same thing.

    BMI and predisposition for obesity is about 80% genetic.
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