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    Jaded...

    I don't know if it was because I was an early adopter, or because I built my first 29 inch bike from scratch, or what... but I wonder how folks that have been riding 29'ers for a few years that built their own feel about riders they see show up on rides with pre built big name bike company bikes that have just jumped on the bandwagon? The posters that made this Forum what it is today with their contributions.


    Most of the folks I ride with have Niners, Sultans, Access XCL's, Salsa's, maybe a Lenz, or a Bandersnatch or Jabberwocky, maybe even custom Ti, but they all built their bikes themselves, most of them from scratch. No Canfields yet in my circle of friends.

    I'm trying to keep an open mind, but these are the types of builds of the riders I usually go out on social rides with.

    Are the new pre built bikes and their owners taking the easy way out, to get in to the 29er club? Is it the bike? Or is it the knowledge of knowing a person built their own bike that makes me accept the rider, and that they are worthy to ride with?


    There's been a lot of change lately around this forum since Francis posted up about splitting this forum up, and also since Interbike had all these new announcements for 29'er mfg's for 2012. I find myself scrolling past the Gary Fischers, Giants, Trek, Speshy posts.
    I've no interest in them, mainly because I see 29'ers as Clyde friendly bikes, Clydes are hard on their equipment and drive train, and factory builds have notoriously cheap builds for components. It's a poor fit for my needs. I am willing to pay for great components that last

    Trying to keep an open mind here and not have a NIMBY type of attitude.

    Thoughts?

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    Your elitism is showing.

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    Who the F Cares - at least they are out riding and exercising.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    I've no interest in them, mainly because I see 29'ers as Clyde friendly bikes, Clydes are hard on their equipment and drive train, and factory builds have notoriously cheap builds for components. It's a poor fit for my needs. I am willing to pay for great components that last
    You sound fat.

    But seriously this sounds more like an argument for buying complete bikes (which most people do and are fine with) or buying a frame and building your own bike. It doesn't sound 29er specific at all. Mods! Move this thread!
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    Jaded fo show!

    Wow! Somebody has a pretty big ego. Are you for real? Why don't you just get out and ride and enjoy the company you might have. It's not like you invented the wheel.
    Maybe I missread your post but it sounds like you're ragging on all the guys who can't afford or haven't been able to build up a 29er from scratch. Not everyone has a budget for that.
    I for one find myself on an '08 Spesh FSR and love the 29er platform since I'm 6'6" and 280 and the larger bike fits the bill. Would I like to ride on a custom Ti or a Niner, etc? Hellz yeah, but for now the Spesh will work. If guys like me aren't worthy to ride with fellas like you...well, I guess I'm not missing much.

    You do have a point as far as components failing for larger Clydes but for me it's all about the ride. If it breaks, then fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Are the new pre built bikes and their owners taking the easy way out, to get in to the 29er club? Is it the bike? Or is it the knowledge of knowing a person built their own bike that makes me accept the rider, and that they are worthy to ride with?
    First off, bike snobs like you make me hate this forum somedays. Anyone with a bike should be worthy to ride with; fast or slow, old or young, thin or fat whatever shouldn't make a difference. We are all out riding our bikes and having fun.

    Second, you should realize you didn't really "build" your bike. You paid a bunch of companies to sell you bits and pieces to bolt on a frame that someone else built. Unless you welded a bunch of tubes into a bicycle shape, you only "assembled" your bike.

    Third, Gary Fisher (Trek) has been building 29 inch hardtails since 2002 and full suspension since 2003. So, maybe you don't need to have a boutique brand to be innovative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    I'm trying to keep an open mind
    No, you're not.

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    First things first. I've been lurking on and off for a while being fairly new to the avid cycling world. I've avoided joining because I have several good friends who are cycling gurus who 99% of the time can answer any question I have but I couldn't resist this one.

    So with that said. I have a huge problem with people like you. I have run across many more than one where I live. The community I live in is pretty affluent, LOTS of doctors, and lots of bike trails. I ride daily to and from work with at least one long (20ish miles) ride a week and so far not a week has gone by where I haven't run into some snob on a high end roadie or a custom build who makes some kind of a backhanded crack at my Windsor Cliff 29.1. I know it's mass produced and I know it's inexpensive, THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT IT!!!! I have a wife, 2 kids, a mortgage and 2 car payments, custom building is not something I can even begin to consider at this point in my life but that doesn't mean I have any less right to ride a 29'er than you and your stuck up ass friends. I don't know how old you are but some serious growing up is in order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post

    Are the new pre built bikes and their owners taking the easy way out, to get in to the 29er club? Is it the bike? Or is it the knowledge of knowing a person built their own bike that makes me accept the rider, and that they are worthy to ride with?




    Thoughts?
    Is this guy for real ?? Built your Own ?? what the heck did you weld your frame ? Built your wheels ? Machine your own hubs ? What did you do? pay a few bucks bought a frame and parts and assembled your bike and that makes you Special ??
    So anyone who goes and buys a 29er from a store and rides, is not welcome here ?? Band Wagon ? did you Invent 29er Bikes .

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    Been riding 29ers since the first gen KM. I've built my own bikes (frame included). I just bought at Specialized FSR 29 comp at the bike shop to compliment my custom SS. I love it. Love the custom too, but the Spec was a smokin' deal and it's gonna be a really fun bike. The only reason I care about what someone else is riding is to look at how cool the bike is and see if there's anything I could put on my bike.

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    In all seriousness though man have fun with your clique of stuck up, 'I built my own bike' crowd. I 'built' my first 29er due in large part to the collective wisdom of this board. How that becomes a point from which to look down on other people is beyond me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point. Or maybe someday I'll get to be as awesome as you and look down on all those loser pro racers who drop $10,000 for an S-Works Epic.

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    Some time ago I built my own car (yes, it's possible and legal too). I drive mine with others that have built their own cars. Unfortunately, many others seem to have bought complete cars at dealerships and are showing up on the roadways. These people are taking the easy way out! I'm trying to be open minded here but I just can't see myself socializing with them.

    So RBoy, what kind of car do you have??

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    You need a Canfield. 90% of the people who ask about my Yelli have never heard of them.

    I fully admit that I've become a bit of a snob in terms of the bikes I own or want to own, but pretty much all of my friends who have 29ers are on off-the-shelf bikes: Specialized or GF/Trek. I'd never given it a second thought beyond being pleased that more people are buying into the platform and ultimately giving me more choices in tires, rims, forks, etc. My priorities are different than theirs - I drive an old SUV and have beater skis, and don't have kids, etc. I wouldn't say any of them are interested in joining the 29er 'club'; they don't spend any time on the forums. They just tried the bikes and liked them.

    That said, this forum is definitely different than when I started hanging out here in 2004, and I miss some of what drew me in then. Some of the change is inherent to growth of the 29er format, but perhaps not all of it. Oh, well. Nothing stays the same.
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    My caring about what other people ride disappeared when I was passed by a guy on this bike with workboots on!


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    Quote Originally Posted by evasive View Post
    You need a Canfield. 90% of the people who ask about my Yelli have never heard of them.

    I fully admit that I've become a bit of a snob in terms of the bikes I own or want to own, but pretty much all of my friends who have 29ers are on off-the-shelf bikes: Specialized or GF/Trek. I'd never given it a second thought beyond being pleased that more people are buying into the platform and ultimately giving me more choices in tires, rims, forks, etc. My priorities are different than theirs - I drive an old SUV and have beater skis, and don't have kids, etc. I wouldn't say any of them are interested in joining the 29er 'club'; they don't spend any time on the forums. They just tried the bikes and liked them.

    That said, this forum is definitely different than when I started hanging out here in 2004, and I miss some of what drew me in then. Some of the change is inherent to growth of the 29er format, but perhaps not all of it. Oh, well. Nothing stays the same.
    Thats the Mainstream effect...which would have never happened if not for the pioneers and open mindedness folks who thought 'let's try it'....I strive to look for the reasons to be apart of, rather than apart from...but I too am grateful for all the new adopters of 29er's- it very much reminds me of the days when ole 26er' suspension was evolving..forks and FS... (yes even the wacked out designs!), however at a much faster and cleaner rate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slack Jack View Post
    Is this guy for real ?? Built your Own ?? what the heck did you weld your frame ? Built your wheels ? Machine your own hubs ? What did you do? pay a few bucks bought a frame and parts and assembled your bike and that makes you Special ??
    So anyone who goes and buys a 29er from a store and rides, is not welcome here ?? Band Wagon ? did you Invent 29er Bikes .
    This is the comment I was thinking of as I read the post. I submit this comment on a laptop made by dell. I was gunna build my own computer but, ....
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    I totally agree with you. I ride a CUSTOM bike that I assembled myself! I scoff at lesser riders having fun on non-custom mass produced excuses of "bikes".

    Friday lulz, get over yourself...

    mods please move this to the sandy vag forum

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    Quote Originally Posted by CasteelG View Post
    Your elitism is showing.
    This comment was fully sufficient however in this case the OP deserves to be ragged on a little more. I could ride almost anything with 2 wheels and manage to have a good time, a good bike is great and no doubt helps the fun along but its not what its all about.

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    Whoa..

    You act like the concept of a custom build only applies to 29ers which I find most interesting and amusing..

    I sure hope you lace your own wheels... I mean...because you are so cutting edge..

    Oh..also, there is NOTHING original about a NINER. Let me repeat...NOTHING.

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    Amen,

    Quote Originally Posted by rydbyk View Post

    Oh..also, there is NOTHING original about a NINER. Let me repeat...NOTHING.
    LOL!!! I love it, The LAST bike I'd EVER own or ride is ANYTHING from Niner......I'm guessing 95% of the guys you completely offended with this stupid a$$ thread could and would ride your punk a$$ into the ground on a $300 rigid anything..(29er of course) CF...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ingluis View Post
    mods please move this to the sandy vag forum
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    When you say "built from scratch" I'm assuming you mean purchasing a frame-set and adding the components of your choice. If that is the case how is this any better than finding a complete bike that already has the components you desire?
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    Pardon me, but do you have any Grey Poupon? I just finished stripping my bike down to frame and re-"building" it "from scratch" so I would be accepted. Finally, I belong. What a tool! BTW-First post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Borch View Post
    First things first. I've been lurking on and off for a while being fairly new to the avid cycling world. I've avoided joining because I have several good friends who are cycling gurus who 99% of the time can answer any question I have but I couldn't resist this one.

    So with that said. I have a huge problem with people like you. I have run across many more than one where I live. The community I live in is pretty affluent, LOTS of doctors, and lots of bike trails. I ride daily to and from work with at least one long (20ish miles) ride a week and so far not a week has gone by where I haven't run into some snob on a high end roadie or a custom build who makes some kind of a backhanded crack at my Windsor Cliff 29.1. I know it's mass produced and I know it's inexpensive, THAT'S WHY I BOUGHT IT!!!! I have a wife, 2 kids, a mortgage and 2 car payments, custom building is not something I can even begin to consider at this point in my life but that doesn't mean I have any less right to ride a 29'er than you and your stuck up ass friends. I don't know how old you are but some serious growing up is in order.

    Good day sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slack Jack View Post
    Is this guy for real ?? Built your Own ?? what the heck did you weld your frame ? Built your wheels ? Machine your own hubs ? What did you do? pay a few bucks bought a frame and parts and assembled your bike and that makes you Special ??
    So anyone who goes and buys a 29er from a store and rides, is not welcome here ?? Band Wagon ? did you Invent 29er Bikes .
    Concur your post.

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    Many of those same mountain bike legends shared their love of biking as they went on to design, test, and manufacture mountain bikes for cyclists everywhere.


    Relax RandyBoy, it's just a bike. My 7-year old niece rides one.



    ....and regardless of her bike's wheel size, she joyfully loves her store bought two-wheel pink bike for what it is - fun, fun, fun.
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    Let me tell you somethingu [[[[Randy dandy boy ]]]]]]
    Scratch built means you take raw aluminum or ti. Or carbon tubes. Weld or bond them to a frame machine your hubs take raw aluminum and weld rims then you machine whatever dropouts or linkages you need, then paint the frame ,then you can say SCRATCH BUILT.
    What you do Randy dandy is assemble a bike , I am sure you do that very well with your Harvard PHD and all.

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    I'd have to give credits to RandyBoy. Everyone wants to be special; at least he is honest about it.

    The thing is... buying a special bike does not really make you special in this world. The guy on a Trek could be someone who actually achieves big things in life. Riding a Specialized especially is not special at all, but what the heck, Spec riders can be really cool.

    (Is that me trying plays on words in not my native language? That must make me pretty special. Note to self: Stop typing on MTBR after 2 Chouffe beers.)

    Nothing wrong with having special stuff, but stop linking bike and component choice to the motivation and ability to ride of the rider. It just does not make sense. I sure hope my post does.

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    The only thing that I can agree with is the cheap components that come with the LBS mass produced bikes. other then that, I'll just prey for you my son.

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    This OP has gotta be takin' the p!ss out of everyone, for sure. No-one could have their head stuck so far up their own ass and still be able to see the keyboard to type that crap.
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    Gentlemen, I submit:

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    Jaded after two whole years of assembling your own bikes. Wow, talk about a short attention span.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Gentlemen, I submit:

    My first bike build by Randy Boy, Feb 2009

    Haha, come on bud. Go for a ride, who cares.
    All that for a pile of chit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Aware me to what LBS is good sir.
    None my friend. Unless you are buying super premium (expert model) you will always get $hity wheels, cassette, chain, bar, stem, seat, post, some variation for juicy 3 brakes, and cranks that in all add 5+lb to a bike. And when I say $****y, I mean you couldn't get two bits ffor them in resale used or as take offs. Why, no one wants to buy a wheelset that weights 3000g, so it affectively becomes worthless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Gentlemen, I submit:

    My first bike build by Randy Boy, Feb 2009

    Haha, come on bud. Go for a ride, who cares.
    Nice find. So much for being an "early" adopter. Sophomoric.
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    OP maybe you should stick w/ the Chainlove Marzocchi 44 bombardment post's because this post really make you look full of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    I don't know if it was because I was an early adopter, or because I built my first 29 inch bike from scratch, or what... but I wonder how folks that have been riding 29'ers for a few years that built their own feel about riders they see show up on rides with pre built big name bike company bikes that have just jumped on the bandwagon?

    Thoughts?

    I absolutely think Specialized, Giant, Yeti, etc. jumped in it only for the $$$ they can't resist. They all said in the past they wouldn't make wagon wheel build bikes and now they are here. But I think they offer something to their faithful customers hooked on the brand even if they don't like big wheels.

    Built bikes, along with everything else offer a nice bike at a nice price point. Would it appeal to me? No, but lots of people want to go to a bike shop and put down the plastic same day on a bike they can buy on a Friday afternoon and ride Saturday morning. There are a lot of threads about X brand wheels SUCK out of the box, and maybe that customer builds a bike from the ground up.

    Gary Fisher, Niner Bikes and Salsa have a HUGE head start on everyone else. These are the bikes I see on the trails I ride. If you race, you've been seeing a crapload of these bikes at the starting line. Specialized is now taking a huge market share, they build a really nice bike for the money. But choice is good, not everyone wants to be riding/racing the same bike as everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Gentlemen, I submit:

    My first bike build by Randy Boy, Feb 2009

    Haha, come on bud. Go for a ride, who cares.
    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA... AHAH... *hack*...*cough*... AHAHAHA....


    If I said anything else, I'd just be treading over ground so adeptly worn by every other poster here. But OP.... seriously??

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    The OP has a valid point. It really is such a chore finding the right types with whom one can ride socially. They're letting just about anybody into the 29er club these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Gentlemen, I submit:

    My first bike build by Randy Boy, Feb 2009

    Haha, come on bud. Go for a ride, who cares.
    Thanks for that. Wow. Just wow. If someone had a unique imported custom ti frame and had built their own wheels etc etc etc and said what the OP said, I would think it was silly.

    But this.....???

    I see this sort of thing with noob surfers all the time. They stand up for the first time and suddenly they own the spot.... Pure entertainment.

    Earn your stripes Randy. Pump the breaks.

    +FWIW Randy...you will never look like a pro with your special custom build. You do want to look legit right??

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    RandyBoy let me first say that I feel for you man, because you have your own opinion and are not afraid to express it even knowing that most were going to bust your balls for it.

    For starters, ignore the chickens who are sending you all the neg rep comments right now, keep in mind thats the only life they have

    Second, It always cracks me up to see everyone jump on the troll wagon, calling you fat and the rest of the childish comments. Its ironic because those are the people who who are trolls, overweight, wish they had a better bikes, jealous etc... They jump around doing it to all posts they don't like because they don't have lives

    As to your OP - I agree with the guy who says this is more of an argument for building vs buying a built bike.

    I happen to agree with you in that, I tend to ride with guys who build their bikes, not because im a snob, but because my personality is such that I get along with the "builder types" since my passion is building Cars, Motorcycles, Bikes, Whatever!

    If your not into factory builds thats just your opinion, and so what, good for you. Certainly your gonna get everyone else's opinions here jammed down your throat, so share yours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoahColorado View Post
    Gentlemen, I submit:

    My first bike build by Randy Boy, Feb 2009

    Haha, come on bud. Go for a ride, who cares.
    2009 is not an early adopter, sorry OP. I've been on 29ers since 2006, and even then I knew others on them a year or two before me (and 29ers had been around for quite a few years at that point). I've had my RIP9 since 2007.

    I have friends who ride bikes built up from the frame, and I have other friends who have pre-built bikes from the major manufacturers. We ride and have fun.

    As for people buying pre-built bikes taking the "Easy way out" -- Out of what? Looks like the only thing they took the easy way out of was riding with you, and I'm not sure they shouldn't take that easy way out. What does it matter whether they built the bike from the frame or not?

    I like the judge the book by the story rather than the cover - or the rider by his personality rather than his bike.
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    Randyboy - showing his d ouchyness to the world ... again.
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    LOL, and in less than 15 min they are after me too... Much like the pesky misquotes on the trials

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    I'm going to bin this thread as i hate watching a public suicide and this is destined to be nothing more than a schadenfreude filled orgy of flaming.

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