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    The Dark Side of Park Tools?

    Forewarning: This post will be controversial. It will incite indignant, knee-jerk reactions. I will be called paranoid, petty, perhaps even worse. Understand that I am not drawing any conclusions here, only raising a suspicion.

    Like it has for several years prior, the current Park Tools Inc. catalog contains a bible verse. It’s verse John 1:12: “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” It’s immediately followed by the signature of president Eric Hawkins.

    Okay, so we can reasonably assume the leadership of this company has a Christian bent. While unusual, a bible verse in a product catalog isn’t anything to worry about.

    Until you combine that fact with this one:

    For many years, Park’s frame alignment gauge tool has hung on the wall in most of the bike shops in this country. It’s a decent tool; one I have used countless times. It is also a tool that, in clear, capital letters, bears the word “F A G”.

    Before an onslaught of replies from “captain obvious” ensues; please understand that I realize how Park names their tools. The tool names are acronyms based on the tool’s longer-form description. I get it. All I’m saying is this:

    Any time a company makes a product, any product; it has to ask itself a simple question: “Shall we adorn said product with a vicious, hateful slur?” In Park’s case, the answer was “yes”.

    It’s well known that a sizable faction of Christians are intolerant of homosexuals. My point is that Park COULD have named that tool something else.

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    That's quite the reach. I guess since you noticed it and use it in that context should tell us something about you? They could have named it something else but Frame Alignment Gauge just so accurately describes it that naming it pedal wrench would do it an injustice.

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    And since we are on the subject of tools, how long did it take you to jump to this conclusion?

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    The Dark Side of Park Tools?

    Uh oh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    That's quite the reach. I guess since you noticed it and use it in that context should tell us something about you? They could have named it something else but Frame Alignment Gauge just so accurately describes it that naming it pedal wrench would do it an injustice.
    And what might this tell you about me, exactly?

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    The Dark Side of Park Tools?

    Does that mean that F.A.G Bearings is also a hate mongering company?

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    The word or phrase "f@g" happens to have multiple definitions. Shame on you for thinking of that particular one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kbarrette View Post
    Does that mean that F.A.G Bearings is also a hate mongering company?

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    In that case, the letters stand for people's names. More importantly, that company doesn't ostensibly market itself as Christian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    And what might this tell you about me, exactly?

    That you could well be a reactionary in the closet Homosexual who is struggling with identity conflict. Or your just a troll.

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    I just have to laugh at this thread.... That is all... please carry on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    That you could well be a reactionary in the closet Homosexual who is struggling with identity conflict. Or your just a troll.
    My posting history here reveals I am no troll. And if I were queer, I would have pranced out of the closet a long time ago. I'm just a guy who notices things, and feels maybe a little too comfortable railing against the status-quo.

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    Why do you hate monger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    My posting history here reveals I am no troll. And if I were queer, I would have pranced out of the closet a long time ago. I'm just a guy who notices things, and feels maybe a little too comfortable railing against the status-quo.


    Quoted for truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    My posting history here reveals I am no troll. And if I were queer, I would have pranced out of the closet a long time ago. I'm just a guy who notices things, and feels maybe a little too comfortable railing against the status-quo.
    Write something to those guys

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    Bicycle User Threads/Tools Has U Really Trolling

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    While on vacation in England last Spring, I smoked a f@g with a f@g who was afraid he would get caught for not completing his menial duties for the senior students at his school.

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    I'm quick to stop patronizing companies that include religion in their marketing; as I'm sure they'ed be quick to dis me for my agnosticsism. I don't care that you're religious; just don't make it part of our retail relationship. That being said; Park tools has always used initials to label their tools, and I'm sure that the *** has nothing more to do with fags than the DAG has to do with dags (BTW, i'm totally into fags and dags; lots of friends in both camps). The bible quote is more disturbing to me, and I'll avoid Park tools in the future if there is a reasonable non-religious alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtsideup View Post
    I'm quick to stop patronizing companies that include religion in their marketing; as I'm sure they'ed be quick to dis me for my agnosticsism. I don't care that you're religious; just don't make it part of our retail relationship. That being said; Park tools has always used initials to label their tools, and I'm sure that the *** has nothing more to do with fags than the DAG has to do with dags (BTW, i'm totally into fags and dags; lots of friends in both camps). The bible quote is more disturbing to me, and I'll avoid Park tools in the future if there is a reasonable non-religious alternative.
    I really want to believe you're right. I just can't escape the nagging suspicion that Park has been subtly subverting equality this whole time. As a professional, I will always chose the best tool for the job. In some cases, the Park Tool option is superior. Their new crown race puller is phenomenal. But when a non-Park alternative is available, I will chose it every time. Example: Their wheel dishing gauge is garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtsideup View Post
    I'm quick to stop patronizing companies that include religion in their marketing; as I'm sure they'ed be quick to dis me for my agnosticsism. I don't care that you're religious; just don't make it part of our retail relationship. That being said; Park tools has always used initials to label their tools, and I'm sure that the *** has nothing more to do with fags than the DAG has to do with dags (BTW, i'm totally into fags and dags; lots of friends in both camps). The bible quote is more disturbing to me, and I'll avoid Park tools in the future if there is a reasonable non-religious alternative.
    Well put, and nice to meet like-minded people.

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    Didn't you already do this rant in the tools forum a while ago? Ruined one of my threads if I remember correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    My posting history here reveals I am no troll.
    You are now.

    I know this is the internet and everything, but not every stupid idea that pops into your head has to be published, you know?
    Posting on the basis that ignorance shared is ignorance doubled.

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    Yes, and I apologize for that. That wasn't the right time or place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    You are now.

    I know this is the internet and everything, but not every stupid idea that pops into your head has to be published, you know?
    What an interesting reply. Such a thoughtful parry to my factually based, reasoned, but non-conclusive assertion. I'm guessing your reputation ranking was gamed through insider trading.

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    I don't get your double standard. I'm on the verge of calling you a Hippocrate.

    You can say 'queer' , but they cant label a tool F.A.G.
    You boycott a company, unless they have a tool you want.
    You want to argue while stepping on your weiner.....
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    If Park ends up reading this thread... I'm gonna support you guys more now that I know this about the Bible Verse. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rtsideup View Post
    I'm quick to stop patronizing companies that include religion in their marketing; as I'm sure they'ed be quick to dis me for my agnosticsism. I don't care that you're religious; just don't make it part of our retail relationship. That being said; Park tools has always used initials to label their tools, and I'm sure that the *** has nothing more to do with fags than the DAG has to do with dags (BTW, i'm totally into fags and dags; lots of friends in both camps). The bible quote is more disturbing to me, and I'll avoid Park tools in the future if there is a reasonable non-religious alternative.
    Really? That's very intolerant of you. Why does the Bible Quote disturb you? It's not a call to arms to murder the infidel, after all, but a testament to faith...if you are not a Christian it should have no impact on you either good or bad and you cannot infer from it anything about the owner of Park Tools except that he may be a devout Christian.

    You need to let go of your stereotypes.

    Also, I love stupid threads. Probably more than the next guy because mountain bikes and parts just aren't that controversial no matter how hard we try to make them so. I mean, I really cannot get worked up about the difference in wheel sizes, for example, because I just kinda' ride what I like.

    So God Bless the OP. This topic is wonderfully ridiculous and misguided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    What an interesting reply. Such a thoughtful parry to my factually based, reasoned, but non-conclusive assertion. I'm guessing your reputation ranking was gamed through insider trading.
    Another swing, and another miss.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishbucket View Post
    I don't get your double standard. I'm on the verge of calling you a Hippocrate.

    You can say 'queer' , but they cant label a tool F.A.G.
    You boycott a company, unless they have a tool you want.
    You want to argue while stepping on your weiner.....
    Them's valid points Fishbucket. All I can say is that I know there's no hate in my heart, for the gays. So I'm more than comfortable using casual slang like "queers". As for continuing to use Park tools on occasion; that's just my professional commitment to doing the job at hand to the best of my ability. While on the clock, that reality trumps my personal issues every time.

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    I mean, seriously. How can anybody get really passionate about mountain bike components? There are so darn many of them to suit every taste and budget. Same with tools.

    The threads I like the best are the ones offering straight information and opinions on things people have actually used and silly things like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    Them's valid points Fishbucket. All I can say is that I know there's no hate in my heart, for the gays. So I'm more than comfortable using casual slang like "queers". As for continuing to use Park tools on occasion; that's just my professional commitment to doing the job at hand to the best of my ability. While on the clock, that reality trumps my personal issues every time.
    How can you live such a politically correct life? Doesn't yer' head ever feel like it's going to explode with all of the internal contradictions stuffed into it...why, keeping track of what groups it's okay to malign is a full-time job all by itself.

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    This thread has been a lot calmer, thus far, than I was hoping for.

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    Are we just ignoring balls? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeppy View Post
    This thread has been a lot calmer, thus far, than I was hoping for.

    inb4trainwreck.
    Because it is so ridiculous. I think even people who are atheists, agnostics, and gay-rights activists are shaking their heads and saying, "Dude, WTF?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    Because it is so ridiculous. I think even people who are atheists, agnostics, and gay-rights activists are shaking their heads and saying, "Dude, WTF?"
    Yep.
    I showed it to my gay apprentice and she thought it was stupid and absurd.
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    Thread drift, but I honestly and seriously simply assume Jesus WAS gay. It explains a lot about his behavior, demeanor, his relationship with hags and vampy prostitutes, his conflicted relationship with his dad, and of course he REALLY loved his male company.
    Judas was just being b!tchey that Jesus was getting all of the attention.
    It's just so obvious!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    Really? That's very intolerant of you. Why does the Bible Quote disturb you? It's not a call to arms to murder the infidel
    Well, some parts of it do. It absolutely advocates that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    Yep.
    I showed it to my gay apprentice and she thought it was stupid and absurd.
    Okay everybody, shut it down. This guy's gay apprentice is having none of it.

    Seriously dude, adults are talking. If you have nothing thoughtful to contribute, then best stay off this particular trail. Other, faster riders are trying to pass on the left.

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    And I'm content knowing that Park Tools is not the end-all be-all of bicycle tools. Some of their stuff is great and in some areas there's much better stuff. Pedros ergo wrenches are great. Shimano's chain tool is super-high quality and far beyond Park. Spokeys are far better than those wire-loop spoke tools, and so on. Some of Park's stuff is the best by far, but having worked in a shop you get to learn that not all of their stuff is a home run either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    call to arms to murder the infidel.
    Solid plan. Worked for millenia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrofighting View Post
    If Park ends up reading this thread... I'm gonna support you guys more now that I know this about the Bible Verse. Thanks!
    Why? Most bible thumpers I know turned out to be hypocrites, think about your own experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    Okay everybody, shut it down. This guy's gay apprentice is having none of it.

    Seriously dude, adults are talking. If you have nothing thoughtful to contribute, then best stay off this particular trail. Other, faster riders are trying to pass on the left.
    Sorry.
    Allow me to re-phrase for accuracy. She thought you were stupid. Frankly, I was just amused to see her reaction to it. Heck, the whole thing is amusing.

    Anyway, since it is HIGHLY unlikely that Park Tools have any secret anti-gay agenda, here's something for you to get your knickers in a twist over.

    My bike rack (hitch-mount) is called a Q-Spear. The Q is written in pink. It is a fairly big two pronged thing that will hold up to four bikes, or according to an in-joke during the design and prototype phase, two queers.

    I'm not making it up. It was just a bit of a red-neck joke that they decided to run with, and they are tremendously popular around here.
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    Hypocrisy is the natural state of existence for everyone. It does not invalidate faith, belief, political opinions, or anything else.

    It is a matter of decorum not to be a hypocrite. Nothing more. The owner of Park Tools is not hypocritical for posting a Bible verse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ailuropoda View Post
    Hypocrisy is the natural state of existence for everyone. It does not invalidate faith, belief, political opinions, or anything else.

    It is a matter of decorum not to be a hypocrite. Nothing more. The owner of Park Tools is not hypocritical for posting a Bible verse.
    Poke, fair enough...but science almost always invalidates (religious) belief of things that were once 'miraculous!'
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    Sorry.
    Allow me to re-phrase for accuracy. She thought you were stupid. Frankly, I was just amused to see her reaction to it. Heck, the whole thing is amusing.

    Anyway, since it is HIGHLY unlikely that Park Tools have any secret anti-gay agenda, here's something for you to get your knickers in a twist over.

    My bike rack (hitch-mount) is called a Q-Spear. The Q is written in pink. It is a fairly big two pronged thing that will hold up to four bikes, or according to an in-joke during the design and prototype phase, two queers.

    I'm not making it up. It was just a bit of a red-neck joke that they decided to run with, and they are tremendously popular around here.
    That's actually kinda funny, if not particularly clever. But can't you see the difference between isolated joking and institutionalized discrimination? I'm not too worried about your apprentice thinking I'm stupid. I mean, she's the one looking up to YOU, after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    Why? Most bible thumpers I know turned out to be hypocrites, think about your own experience.
    I'm far from a Bible Thumper but I am Christian (Catholic). I feel a company should be able to do things like this and not feel pressure from the mainstream to not show your Christianity. Actually anyone with a belief... Christian, Jewish, Muslim shouldn't have to hide their beliefs. If Park tried to force there beliefs on everyone then we would have something to complain about but they aren't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pyrofighting View Post
    I'm far from a Bible Thumper but I am Christian (Catholic). I feel a company should be able to do things like this and not feel pressure from the mainstream to not show your Christianity. Actually anyone with a belief... Christian, Jewish, Muslim shouldn't have to hide their beliefs. If Park tried to force there beliefs on everyone then we would have something to complain about but they aren't.
    However, if jesus/Gawd knows what is in your heart, shouldn't that be all that matters? What I admire about judaism is the absolute ZERO (interfaith) prosyletizing. That should be mandatory, really.
    To me, when I see those types of quotes in advertising, it just seems like cynical preying on the insecure, another form of 'are you with us, or agin' us?' dog-whistling.
    It's cheesy, IMO.
    (But I am a cheesy self promoter, too!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    since it is HIGHLY unlikely that Park Tools have any secret anti-gay agenda
    What about secret pro-gay agenda?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    What about secret pro-gay agenda?
    EXACTLY! Now I will buy blue! Wait....uhh....this sh!t is so confusing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    That's actually kinda funny, if not particularly clever. But can't you see the difference between isolated joking and institutionalized discrimination? I'm not too worried about your apprentice thinking I'm stupid. I mean, she's the one looking up to YOU, after all.
    That's a very supercilious attitude you've got there.
    Institutionalized discrimination eh?
    Dude, it's a frame alignment gauge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    However, if jesus/Gawd knows what is in your heart, shouldn't that be all that matters? What I admire about judaism is the absolute ZERO (interfaith) prosyletizing. That should be mandatory, really.
    To me, when I see those types of quotes in advertising, it just seems like cynical preying on the insecure, another form of 'are you with us, or agin' us?' dog-whistling.
    It's cheesy, IMO.
    (But I am a cheesy self promoter, too!)
    To assume anything beyond the simple quote seems odd. None of us have any real facts from the company/ owner. They might have a good reason to have it. To assume they are grandstanding their faith, giving non believers an ultimatum, being anti science, or being anti gay from a simple verse seems crazy.

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