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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    But can you now at least trust someone who is not Christian? Maybe... just a little?...? That would be a start! And it would also bring this thread into the realms of relevance if someone managed to change their behavior/belief for the better...
    Dude, I told you I trust non-Christians. I just need to get to know them a little bit more. Being a true Christian proves to me that you are an ethical person. You can be ethical or trustworthy and not be a Christian, but I can't just read the cover. I need to read some of the book, first. Get it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    For many years, Park’s frame alignment gauge tool has hung on the wall in most of the bike shops in this country. It’s a decent tool; one I have used countless times. It is also a tool that, in clear, capital letters, bears the word “F A G”.
    Well, if they would have named it something like "F A G HAG" then you'd have a case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Dude, I told you I trust non-Christians.
    Big mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Dude, I told you I trust non-Christians. I just need to get to know them a little bit more. Being a true Christian proves to me that you are an ethical person. You can be ethical or trustworthy and not be a Christian, but I can't just read the cover. I need to read some of the book, first. Get it?
    Just messin with you... I personally mistrust most Christians, or even most 'religious' people because in my experience most turn out to be untrustworthy, paying lip service to a set of ethics about which they understand little, and care for even less. A bit like politicians for that matter... or even human beings... I'll get me coat...
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    The Dark Side of Park Tools?

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Dude, I told you I trust non-Christians. I just need to get to know them a little bit more. Being a true Christian proves to me that you are an ethical person. You can be ethical or trustworthy and not be a Christian, but I can't just read the cover. I need to read some of the book, first. Get it?
    What, exactly is a "true" Christian. Please be specific.

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    How does one calibrate the F.A.G.? With a G.A.G.?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    What, exactly is a "true" Christian. Please be specific.
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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    How does one calibrate the F.A.G.? With a G.A.G.?
    With a Frame Alignment Gauge Gauge for Overall Tolerance
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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    What, exactly is a "true" Christian. Please be specific.
    Dont true Christians renounce all worldly possessions, and avail themselves of martyr opportunities?
    Anything less is a lie!
    Christ would really not want to associate with any of today's Christians, methinks.
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    The Dark Side of Park Tools?

    Wow the OP sounds ignorant, this is one of the things that's wrong with this world and especially the u.s, everyone is butt hurt. If they wanna call their tool a *** and have bible versus in their catalog and this offends you then don't buy their product, if everyone who buys from them feels this way they will eventually go under.... But most likely your the only one noticing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacklikesbeans View Post
    Things I find interesting in this thread (Hope I can post random stupid thoughts in a thread so intellectually prepared)

    1. Human nature is a funny thing. The OP makes a stupid post and when confronted with it's stupidity he plays the role of a martyr.
    2. Anytime you have to begin a post with "I know I'm going to get flamed for this." That's your brain telling you it's probably stupid to post it.
    3. Everyone hates on the church for being biased but the OP sees a bible verse and is convinced this company is Nazi Germany.
    I think you may have overblown what I was trying to communicate here originally. Between the bible verse and the tool, we have an interesting COINCIDENCE. That part is fact. What I did, was suggest the POSSIBILITY of a more sinister motive on Park's part. It's just not everyday that you see that word used. Unless of course you're buying bearings in Germany.

    Regarding your "point #2": You seem to be saying that if someone has an opinion that may prove unpopular with the masses, they should just remain silent. That's not how I do. Nor was it the style of our founding fathers, and millions of other people who try to make a difference. "DIFFERENCE": the word "different" is built right in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    I personally have never trusted anybody that isn't a Christian. I will choose to purchase a product from a Christian, or at least an ethical person, over somebody that isn't.
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    Is a Muslim to a Christian what 29" is to 26"? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Say, a Hindu or 27.5"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bixby View Post
    Wow the OP sounds ignorant, this is one of the things that's wrong with this world and especially the u.s, everyone is butt hurt. If they wanna call their tool a *** and have bible versus in their catalog and this offends you then don't buy their product, if everyone who buys from them feels this way they will eventually go under.... But most likely your the only one noticing.
    You're right. I'm probably one of the only people noticing. Organizations can't be too blatant with hate speech these days. I simply noticed a subtle coincidence between a company's religion and one of its products. Me, I wouldn't be comfortable releasing a product labeled "F A G". But Park is.

    Just hypothetically assume I'm right, that Park is anti-gay. Would people still want to support their products? I bet a lot of the folks on these boards would not. I accept people disagreeing with my theory. I just hope they can keep an open mind, when presented with new information. Information that may defy some of their tightly held beliefs. But clearly, some posters can't even do that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -sparky- View Post
    I find it hard to believe that someone could actually think that they were initialing their tool to target fags.If it bothers you that much why don't you quit using their tools i'm sure it will devastate them when they notice their enormous sales loss you caused.And if anything what is wrong with a company having some morals I use park tools and have always liked their tools now I will have a extra encouragement when purchasing one.
    It IS hard to believe. More specifically, it's uncomfortable to believe. Not sure why you now feel "extra encouragement" to use their products. Care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockerc View Post
    Is a Muslim to a Christian what 29" is to 26"? Or is the answer somewhere in between? Say, a Hindu or 27.5"?



    Buddhist's stay above the fray and ride 29ers.

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    Edit: I know this crap of a post was posted a few months ago. Was it necessary to start it all over again?

    It's just the friggin initials of the tool, pal. Move along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by random walk View Post
    How does one calibrate the F.A.G.? With a G.A.G.?
    With a narrow interference gusseted gauge adjuster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Buddhist's stay above the fray and ride 29ers.
    Buddists ride penny farthings. Biggest and smallest wheel on the same bike.

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    I ran a race car shop for many years & my customers needed lots of money for there hobby.

    1 of my customer was quite open about how he went to church just because it was a great place to pick up new customers, He often said that you didn't need to build up trust because most of the people at the church believed that because you were there you were trust worthy.

    So I take every person as they come & don't take the fact that someone says they are a Christian that they are Ok.

    Past actions are what matters to me, Christian or not.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountainbiker24 View Post
    Dude, I told you I trust non-Christians. I just need to get to know them a little bit more. Being a true Christian proves to me that you are an ethical person. You can be ethical or trustworthy and not be a Christian, but I can't just read the cover. I need to read some of the book, first. Get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    With a narrow interference gusseted gauge adjuster.
    Oh Dang, now Park Tools are RACISTS too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirty $anchez View Post
    Buddhist's stay above the fray and ride 29ers.
    But I thought Buddhists were supposed to be nice people.
    Sometimes, I question the value of my content.

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    Well, I read as much of this thread as my bowels would allow
    without exploding. To the OP, I am a Christian, and I will give you some
    insight into my interpretation of my faith. I trust NO ONE until I know them, be
    it a Christian or Wiccan. For as you know, ALL humans sin, and that includes us
    fellow Christians. Only in God do I trust. As far as homosexuals go, I could have sworn
    our Lord tells us to Love all, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Not my place
    to judge, nor be an ass to someone who is different, as no one knows anything
    until it is their time to go. As far as the Park Tool named ***, who cares? It's some
    initials on a tool, and if it bothers you that much, call them and ask what their
    beliefs are? Or better yet, let it go......
    Sorry folks, I do not bash other people in their beliefs, or lack thereof, and
    I certainly do not hold ill will towards anybody except criminals( get what you gave)
    so I get a little defensive at times about my faith.
    I am a sinner just like everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudviking View Post
    As far as homosexuals go, I could have sworn
    our Lord tells us to Love all, he who is without sin cast the first stone. Not my place
    to judge, nor be an ass to someone who is different, as no one knows anything
    until it is their time to go.
    Brutha, I WISH all Christians carried this mindset. It's clearly the true Christian approach. I really don't think some random verse about homosexual abomination trumps "love thy neighbor", etc.

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    This thread is stellar!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psycle151 View Post
    Forewarning: This post will be controversial. It will incite indignant, knee-jerk reactions. I will be called paranoid, petty, perhaps even worse. Understand that I am not drawing any conclusions here, only raising a suspicion.

    Like it has for several years prior, the current Park Tools Inc. catalog contains a bible verse. It’s verse John 1:12: “Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God.” It’s immediately followed by the signature of president Eric Hawkins.

    Okay, so we can reasonably assume the leadership of this company has a Christian bent. While unusual, a bible verse in a product catalog isn’t anything to worry about.

    Until you combine that fact with this one:

    For many years, Park’s frame alignment gauge tool has hung on the wall in most of the bike shops in this country. It’s a decent tool; one I have used countless times. It is also a tool that, in clear, capital letters, bears the word “F A G”.

    Before an onslaught of replies from “captain obvious” ensues; please understand that I realize how Park names their tools. The tool names are acronyms based on the tool’s longer-form description. I get it. All I’m saying is this:

    Any time a company makes a product, any product; it has to ask itself a simple question: “Shall we adorn said product with a vicious, hateful slur?” In Park’s case, the answer was “yes”.

    It’s well known that a sizable faction of Christians are intolerant of homosexuals. My point is that Park COULD have named that tool something else.
    Sounds like park tools is another company that justifies its hate with religion (read chick filit) i wont be buying any of there shit thabks for bringing it to my attention.

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    "Sister Christian, oh the time has come...."

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    I have no stickers or any other ad that says anything about myself on my service van. No ad on the side. Plain Jane. Nobody needs to know. No political stickers. No stickers telling anybody about my kids or pets. I do not elevate myself above anybody else with the use of ads or stickers on my business.

    I do not know the business structure of Park but if I had money invested in Park and Park was advertizing anything else other than their tools I would start asking questions.
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    I usually try to avoid all companies with a self-proclaimed religious bent. Why? Not so much because of their religion, but because 9 times out of 10, they will inevitably politicize their religiosity.

    That being said, other than a shitty, somewhat antiquated website, I have no gripes against Park Tool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by manbat View Post
    Religious nuts have always been easy to con money out off..oops wandered off topic..their products cost way way to much for what you get imo kinda like apples
    No shit. I wanna start a church of the mountain and get tax exempt status. Buy some sweet mountain side real estate no property taxes, get loans from friends that they could write off as charitble gifts. Advertise the resort, I mean church, on a goverment subsidized tv channel. Play mountain bike videos all day on our channel and say for a 20 dollar "gift" you get a bottle of chain lube. Sweet life

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1niceride View Post
    I do not know the business structure of Park but if I had money invested in Park and Park was advertizing anything else other than their tools I would start asking questions.
    + 1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loudviking View Post
    As far as homosexuals go, I could have sworn
    our Lord tells us to Love all
    Leviticus 20:13
    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

    Jude 1:7
    "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

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    Being a novice at using message boards and forums such as this, I had to look up what a troll might be. An old fashioned word might be rabble rouser. At any rate, the OP seems to have accomplished his mission. He's pretty good at periodically fanning the flames to keep thing going, as well.

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    I wonder what the Catholics think about this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by guamjim View Post
    Being a novice at using message boards and forums such as this, I had to look up what a troll might be. An old fashioned word might be rabble rouser. At any rate, the OP seems to have accomplished his mission. He's pretty good at periodically fanning the flames to keep thing going, as well.
    Well old-timer, I assure you my goal is not to rouse rabble. Rabble rousing is extraneous and inflammatory. I'm just trying to help gay folks not get bashed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Leviticus 20:13
    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

    Jude 1:7
    "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
    Umm... he said the Lord, as I am presuming on its face to mean Jesus.

    Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with Leviticus or Jude. That's right, Jude, too, who biblical scholars highly doubt, and even neglect, as non-Canonical. Sorry, please try again.

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    Hawg..I've been a Mormon, JW, Unitarian and am married to a Catholic. As a confirmed nothing at this point, I believe nobody knows anything. Including myself.

    So I asked the wife to read this. We both agree...not much.
    lean forward

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1niceride View Post
    Hawg..I've been a Mormon, JW, Unitarian and am married to a Catholic. As a confirmed nothing at this point, I believe nobody knows anything. Including myself.

    So I asked the wife to read this. We both agree...not much.
    Fair enough and agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirt farmer View Post
    Umm... he said the Lord, as I am presuming on its face to mean Jesus.

    Jesus has absolutely nothing to do with Leviticus or Jude. That's right, Jude, too, who biblical scholars highly doubt, and even neglect, as non-Canonical. Sorry, please try again.
    So, you are rejecting the Holy Bible?

    Romans 1:26-27
    "For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet."

    (P.S. I am an agnostic. Or а fuсkitist. Depends on who is asking.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Leviticus 20:13
    "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

    Jude 1:7
    "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."
    Good job Axe! Now people will try and say what it means and pick and chose from the bible what they want. Just like the bible wants women to be subject to there husbands, but any female christain today will explain it away. And no christains today follow the strange rules on marrige in regards to one man maryying his breothers wife if his brother dies.

    The bible is so filled with so many laws and sayings, people just pick and chose what they want. Then justify what they dont want to follow with long explanations, like eating shrimp. Then when its time to force belifes on people they will quote a passage and say, "its right there in the bible"


    what a load of crap. Religious people are just like atheists. They believe whatever they want

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    what a load of crap. Religious people are just like atheists. They believe whatever they want
    Naw. I wish there was an "afterlife", that we didn't die and go back to nothingness, like before we were conceived, but as much as I'd like for that to happen, just wanting it or believing it doesn't make it true. That's the difference, that believing something makes it true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    I wish there was an "afterlife".
    They will figure out how to make a backup copy and upload it somewhere for preservation. What was that quote about sufficiently advanced technology being indistinguishable from magic? Maybe it is already done, with the whole complexity and history of the universe being stored in some quantum string.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fuglio View Post
    Good job Axe! Now people will try and say what it means and pick and chose from the bible what they want. Just like the bible wants women to be subject to there husbands, but any female christain today will explain it away. And no christains today follow the strange rules on marrige in regards to one man maryying his breothers wife if his brother dies.

    The bible is so filled with so many laws and sayings, people just pick and chose what they want. Then justify what they dont want to follow with long explanations, like eating shrimp. Then when its time to force belifes on people they will quote a passage and say, "its right there in the bible"


    what a load of crap. Religious people are just like atheists. They believe whatever they want
    Eating shrimp???
    Posting on the basis that ignorance shared is ignorance doubled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Understater View Post
    Eating shrimp???
    Shrimp isn't Kosher. . . . . .
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    do you still go to hell if you tried fagging out once but didnt like it?

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    with the whole complexity and history of the universe being stored in some quantum string.
    Never a truer word...
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