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    Conceal Carry While Biking

    A few months ago I ran into some sketchy characters while mountain biking. They were stopped in the middle of the trail on an uphill climb. A good place to catch someone riding at a slower pace and out of breath. Seemed sort of odd as they were wearing jeans, hoodies and smoking cigarettes. I tried to make some noise so that they would hear me and step to the side of the trail. They didn't move. I passed on the left side of the trail. One said "oh sorry man". I said "no problem" and continued to pedal. As soon as I was clear of them I glanced under my left arm pit and both guys were right there within arms reach off my back tire. My first thought was that they were going to club me with a limb and steal my stuff. I kicked down a few gears and took off. It sort of rattled me because I was by myself and it was getting close to dusk and my wife was waiting for me at the trail head. After that I decided that I would start packing a small pocket pistol if I was out by myself. I have a small pouch rigged up that I can clip to my camelback. It's pretty nondescript and looks like a camera pouch. I opted to mount it to my pack rather than my bike in case I had to leave the bike to go pee or was knocked off, I would still have it with me. I don't want to seem paranoid but it only takes once. Anyone else pack?

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    I dont know what is worse, the spam threads here or the monthly "packing heat" thread that always gets closed.
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    I've packed before while mountain and road biking. Dog owners who refuse to believe that Fido actually chases people on bikes, snapping at them, were one reason. Sketchy characters in the middle of nowhere in the woods was another reason.

    I dont know what is worse, the spam threads here or the monthly "packing heat" thread that always gets closed.
    It is a legitimate topic to talk about. The fact that people don't like it or get all riled up about it and post stuff that gets a thread locked doesn't make it any less legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dm1333
    It is a legitimate topic to talk about. The fact that people don't like it or get all riled up about it and post stuff that gets a thread locked doesn't make it any less legit.
    My thoughts, exactly. If you don't believe in your right to self defense, then keep your trap shut and go read some other thread.

    That said, I have yet to carry while riding. I don't have the gear to have an easy-to-reach pistol on me while on a bike, and there's not much need for it on the trail around here.

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    I carry mace/pepper spray on the front camelback strap. Easy acess. I believe in self defense as well, but here in california defenders go to jail before perps..

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    Literally, this thread comes up once a month and gets deleted everytime.
    A gun in your pack is about as useful as carrying an empty gun and a pocket full of bullets.
    Any chance you have to draw your weapon from your pack, you might as well be running.
    I dont know about your state, but I wouldnt want to shoot someones dog because they are nipping at my heels. you will go to jail, (unlawful discharge, animal cruelty, extreme)you will probably have a civil suit.
    That said. I carry, loaded and in a manner where I can get it while pedaling

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    Trails here in Florida are very public. I've never felt the need for protection before, but I don't begrudge anyone else their rights to pack heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Literally, this thread comes up once a month and gets deleted everytime.
    A gun in your pack is about as useful as carrying an empty gun and a pocket full of bullets.
    Any chance you have to draw your weapon from your pack, you might as well be running.
    I dont know about your state, but I wouldnt want to shoot someones dog because they are nipping at my heels. you will go to jail, (unlawful discharge, animal cruelty, extreme)you will probably have a civil suit.
    That said. I carry, loaded and in a manner where I can get it while pedaling
    Yikes, what state do you live in that you can't protect yourself from an attacking animal?

    <---dog lover btw, but I also believe that pets should be under control. Which is also the law in Florida. 6' leash.

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    One of my uncles was treed by a small pack of wolves while hunting in a remote area. They decided to disengage after he blew one of them away. I suspect the same principle works on bipedal predators too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bclagge
    Yikes, what state do you live in that you can't protect yourself from an attacking animal?

    <---dog lover btw, but I also believe that pets should be under control. Which is also the law in Florida. 6' leash.
    The United States.
    You will probably win, but it will cost you a lot of money. Is that 50lb dog really endangering your life? or just going to cut your leg open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    The United States.
    You will probably win, but it will cost you a lot of money. Is that 50lb dog really endangering your life? or just going to cut your leg open.
    That's phenomenal legal advice, sport . What I can do in TX would make me a criminal in NY. What I can do in AZ would make me a criminal in TX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr
    That's phenomenal legal advice, sport . What I can do in TX would make me a criminal in NY. What I can do in AZ would make me a criminal in TX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    The United States.
    You will probably win, but it will cost you a lot of money. Is that 50lb dog really endangering your life? or just going to cut your leg open.
    Is that 50lb dog endangering my life? You know what, let's give him a chance and see. Oh, ok cool he just wants to rip my leg to shreds, I'll put my gun away and beat him off with my fists.

    Barring your questionable logic, you're working off false information. If you don't think a 50lb dog can kill a human being, you don't know dogs.

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    Why not mace? Or a tazer? Or stun gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclagge
    Is that 50lb dog endangering my life? You know what, let's give him a chance and see. Oh, ok cool he just wants to rip my leg to shreds, I'll put my gun away and beat him off with my fists.

    Barring your questionable logic, you're working off false information. If you don't think a 50lb dog can kill a human being, you don't know dogs.
    Would you use your logic for a person? If so, you shouldnt ever own a gun.
    The original "shooting a dog" response came from this:

    I've packed before while mountain and road biking. Dog owners who refuse to believe that Fido actually chases people on bikes, snapping at them, were one reason. Sketchy characters in the middle of nowhere in the woods was another reason.
    Snipping at your heels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble
    Why not mace? Or a tazer? Or stun gun?
    If by mace, you mean a stick with a spiked metal ball on the end, yeah that would work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble
    Why not mace? Or a tazer? Or stun gun?
    Mace is a pretty good idea. Some of that stuff is really wicked. It's a lot smaller than a gun and won't cause a fuss if someone sees it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Would you use your logic for a person? If so, you shouldnt ever own a gun.
    The original "shooting a dog" response came from this:


    Snipping at your heels?
    Fair enough, I got off the original anecdote.

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    Why do you need a gun to defend yourself? Can't you use your fists, or a stick like you suspected they were going to? I understand that if they have a gun you need one too but what if no one had guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Why do you need a gun to defend yourself? Can't you use your fists, or a stick like you suspected they were going to? I understand that if they have a gun you need one too but what if no one had guns?
    Then it would be a fairy tale.
    When people go into supermarkets, campuses, gyms and malls and shoot at people, you cant use fists to defend yourself.

    What do I possibly have to be paranoid about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Then it would be a fairy tale.
    When people go into supermarkets, campuses, gyms and malls and shoot at people, you cant use fists to defend yourself.

    What do I possibly have to be paranoid about?
    That fairy tale would be the rest of the first world countries outside of the paranoid U.S. of Arms.

    But, I have to agree that at this point in time I don't see any way the US can be gun free. And it's a very sad state of affairs when a rider has to consider wearing a gun to go mountain bike. Not much 'Freedom' there.
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    I dont know about your state, but I wouldnt want to shoot someones dog because they are nipping at my heels. you will go to jail, (unlawful discharge, animal cruelty, extreme)you will probably have a civil suit.
    How about if I change my statement to something along the lines of "Dog owners who don't believe that Fido charges people and bites at them. Or that their dog will chase somebody on a bike for blocks, distracting the rider from things like cars and pedestrians. Or that their beloved little guard dogs will charge across a creek in a pack and chase mountain bikers down county and state roads, causing them to fear for their safety?"

    Where I live the county is pretty strict about leash laws and keeping your pets under control. Just about every time I have had a dog chase me while I'm on a public road I've called the cops. I've also pepper sprayed several dogs and then called the cops. Luckily pepper spray has worked, so far.

    edit: just for the record, my original wording was "snapping", not "snipping". If a dog is growling, barking and snapping at me you can be pretty darn sure I'm worried about being hurt. If I could I would pack Cesar Milan around all the time to take care of these problems but he weighs a heck of a lot more than a gun.

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    You certainly have the right to carry in most places as long as you follow the rules. THat being said, if you can't get it out and be ready to shoot in less than a second it's not going to do f@ck for you. Furthermore, training to be on the defense is serious business. Winning a fight for your life requires many many hours of training. You can't just throw a few rounds at paper targets and call it good. In the situation you described, it's likely that by the time you got your weapon out it would have been a hand-to-hand fight, in which case you're likely to have your gun taken from you unless you have trained right. If you want to protect yourself that's your right, but it's not as easy as buying a tool, you have to be able to really use it.
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    I don't usually get in on these but I have a question.

    Does anybody know of anyone who has used a gun (hand gun) while mountain biking?

    I've been riding for over 40 years in every environment possible and I've never felt that a hand gun would have been useful in any situation I've been in so I don't carry one. I don't carry a frying pan while riding either.


    I know this thread won't last long so if anyone has a story where a hand gun was used while mountain biking, answer quick or PM me.
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    Dogbrain youre right on all counts. Thats my point about shooting at a dog. using a gun should be a last resort when there is no other choice. It does require quite a bit of training to effectively use a gun under adrenaline situations. For me, I wouldnt drive a car without fully knowing how to operate it. I feel that way about firearms too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    I don't usually get in on these but I have a question.

    Does anybody know of anyone who has used a gun (hand gun) while mountain biking?

    I've been riding for over 40 years in every environment possible and I've never felt that a hand gun would have been useful in any situation I've been in so I don't carry one. I don't carry a frying pan while riding either.


    I know this thread won't last long so if anyone has a story where a hand gun was used while mountain biking, answer quick or PM me.

    I have never used a handgun while riding. I have also never needed the space blanket tucked in the bottom of my camelbak. But I dont plan on removing it because of that.

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    Firearms are the great equalizer. That being said, about the only time I've actually carried was when I used to ride at night. Then, the main reason is because we have coyotes.

    I would not begrudge another the opportunity to defend his life in a mortal situation. Heavens knows, a dead victim can't call the police to defend his life.

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    So how does everybody like living in the world of paranoia and fear. I am really suprised that some of you even bother to leave the safety of your home.

    Granted I don't live in areas where bears are an issue, but to encounter a mountain lion is not out of the question.

    Carrying to stop someones dog from nipping at my heals, is not a strong enough case.....sorry, I have more of a chance of getting bitten by a rattlesnake....and in that case, a gun isn't going to do me any good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej
    So how does everybody like living in the world of paranoia and fear. I am really suprised that some of you even bother to leave the safety of your home.

    Granted I don't live in areas where bears are an issue, but to encounter a mountain lion is not out of the question.

    Carrying to stop someones dog from nipping at my heals, is not a strong enough case.....sorry, I have more of a chance of getting bitten by a rattlesnake....and in that case, a gun isn't going to do me any good.
    Hey youre right there. I dont carry because of bears or dogs. I have no dillusions that my little handgun will stop a bear. And we all know a bike is the best defense against a dog; (jump off and make a barrier)
    I carry for the John McClusky's and the Jared Lee's out there.
    Also to follow up on Trail Ninja's comment: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?

    The Luby's cafeteria shooting in Texas a number of years ago included victims in the restaurant who lawfully had guns in their cars. The law said that couldnt bring their gun in...

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    I carry one of these attached to the front of my camelback strap.



    Handy tool to cut any vines that my become entangled in the drivetrain as well as it could be useful if someone tried to mug you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    I carry for the John McClusky's and the Jared Lee's out there.
    Also to follow up on Trail Ninja's comment: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.

    So, I'll ask again.

    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.

    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.

    So, I'll ask again.

    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.

    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.

    Like I said, I havent ever needed one. But thats not reason enough (for me) not to carry one. Will that make you feel better if I say Im defending myself against coyotes instead of humans?

    Luckily I dont have to defend my right to carry, (yet) only my decision to. If you dont want to carry, great!. thats your decision. I dont need to carry, I choose to. If you think youre safer on a mountain as opposed to a "dark alley", then you obviously have enough trust in your negotiation or hand to hand combat skills to avoid mortal danger.

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    So how does everybody like living in the world of paranoia and fear. I am really suprised that some of you even bother to leave the safety of your home.Granted I don't live in areas where bears are an issue, but to encounter a mountain lion is not out of the question.

    Carrying to stop someones dog from nipping at my heals, is not a strong enough case.....sorry, I have more of a chance of getting bitten by a rattlesnake....and in that case, a gun isn't going to do me any good.
    Why, I like it just fine, thank you! You don't know where I live and have never seen some of the people that I have come across out in the woods. I also carry a small first aid pack, some basic survival stuff and a cell phone whenever I'm out in the woods. Is that paranoid too?

    A dog nipping at your heels is one thing, a pack of dogs chasing you down a road in the middle of nowhere is something else.

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    Coyotes?
    seriously?
    they run away like scared little bltches!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Please, not one of these threads again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.

    So, I'll ask again.

    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.

    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.

    After all the threads on this topic, I'd really like to see an answer to this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    If you think you're safe on a mountain then you obviously have enough trust in your hand to hand combat skills.
    Exactly. Guns are for cowards and pussies. Be a man and fight with your hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disfocus
    After all the threads on this topic, I'd really like to see an answer to this question.
    You won't cuz it's never happened. F***in paranoid pussies.
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    Award for the retarded thread of the week goes to......

    Just back from my daily ride in Brisbane Australia.
    As usual I carried:

    Tube
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    Somehow plain forgot to carry any form of concealed weapon.

    I cannot imagine how horrible it must be to live in enough fear that everywhere you go you need to carry a weapon.
    Either your country is extremely frightening or you people are extremely frightened.

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    A can of bear spray will cover any safety concerns you might have for a vast majority of situations. Wildlife concerns - done. Uncontrolled dogs - done. Idiot dog owners - done.

    It's easier to carry (can be attached to pack shoulder strap for quick access). It's nonlethal, so it doesn't generate the controversy of a firearm. It requires less training to use effectively. It's less expensive. The accident potential is lower because of the reduced training required. The potential fallout of misuse is lower.

    Firearms are a legitimate form of self defense, but they're overkill for most situations where people think they'll need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Like I said, I havent ever needed one. But thats not reason enough (for me) not to carry one. Will that make you feel better if I say Im defending myself against coyotes instead of humans?

    Luckily I dont have to defend my right to carry, (yet) only my decision to. If you dont want to carry, great!. thats your decision. I dont need to carry, I choose to. If you think youre safer on a mountain as opposed to a "dark alley", then you obviously have enough trust in your negotiation or hand to hand combat skills to avoid mortal danger.
    I think you're missing my point. I don't give a rat's ass what you do or carry. Nothing you do will make me feel better or worse.

    You also seem to have invented the idea that I'm opposed to people carrying guns. Or that I'm opposed to carrying a gun. Where did you dig that up?

    I was looking for stories from people who have used hand guns while mountain biking. You don't have one, obviously, so I don't know why you would answer my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    Coyotes?
    seriously?
    they run away like scared little bltches!

    I don't have to defend my decision to carry to you. Suffice to say I do not carry anymore because it is a major drag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytrekex8
    A few months ago I ran into some sketchy characters while mountain biking. They were stopped in the middle of the trail on an uphill climb. A good place to catch someone riding at a slower pace and out of breath. Seemed sort of odd as they were wearing jeans, hoodies and smoking cigarettes. I tried to make some noise so that they would hear me and step to the side of the trail. They didn't move. I passed on the left side of the trail. One said "oh sorry man". I said "no problem" and continued to pedal. As soon as I was clear of them I glanced under my left arm pit and both guys were right there within arms reach off my back tire. My first thought was that they were going to club me with a limb and steal my stuff. I kicked down a few gears and took off. It sort of rattled me because I was by myself and it was getting close to dusk and my wife was waiting for me at the trail head. After that I decided that I would start packing a small pocket pistol if I was out by myself. I have a small pouch rigged up that I can clip to my camelback. It's pretty nondescript and looks like a camera pouch. I opted to mount it to my pack rather than my bike in case I had to leave the bike to go pee or was knocked off, I would still have it with me. I don't want to seem paranoid but it only takes once. Anyone else pack?
    OK, you're on an uphill and see some guys ahead of you (you have your gun). They look out of place. So you either draw your gun now or keep riding and get kilt by the bad guys. I guess you will be stopping a lot on the trail and "gettin ready" - - - for nothing. Maybe a holster on the downtube would be better.

    Realistically, if "they" want to get you, your most likely dead - - gun or not (especially if you are riding a mountain bike on an uphill).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah
    OK, you're on an uphill and see some guys ahead of you (you have your gun). They look out of place. So you either draw your gun now or keep riding and get kilt by the bad guys. I guess you will be stopping a lot on the trail and "gettin ready" - - - for nothing. Maybe a holster on the downtube would be better.

    Realistically, if "they" want to get you, your most likely dead - - gun or not (especially if you are riding a mountain bike on an uphill).

    Yet another person who shouldnt own a gun. Why would you draw your weapon and not fire?
    trail Ninja, since you wont let it go, Please answer my question: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?

    And to those that say paranoid and dillusional, you have internets obviously, Im guessing you have TV too. Are you still hanging on to the notion that people are inherently good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disfocus
    After all the threads on this topic, I'd really like to see an answer to this question.
    Here you go

    "Saturday, July 17, 2004

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    By Michael Davis
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    A pistol-packing mountain biker killed a Cochiti-area man Thursday— after, he said, the man threatened him with a handgun— near Cochiti Lake, State Police said.
    The victim, Scott Massey, died of multiple gunshot wounds, State Police spokesman Lt. Jimmy Glascock said. The name of the mountain biker, a 39-year-old Albuquerque firefighter, according to Glascock, was not released Friday.
    The cyclist told police the altercation occurred after he was chased by the victim's dogs and he fired a shot to scare them away.
    Officers responded to the shooting about 6:40 p.m. in Cochiti Canyon, near the Dixon Apple Orchard past Cochiti Lake.
    According to Glascock:
    The cyclist was pedaling his mountain bike on Tent Rocks Road toward the lake when he was chased by two dogs. The cyclist drew his pistol and fired a shot into the ground to scare the dogs off, and they ran away unharmed.
    "He didn't shoot the dogs," Glascock said.
    The cyclist said he heard someone shouting but kept pedaling.
    He told police that, a mile or two later, Massey raced up behind him in a Toyota pickup. The biker said he got off the road and his bicycle.
    Massey owned the dogs, Glascock said, and the cyclist told police Massey was extremely angry and verbally abusive.
    The mountain biker said that he tried to leave but that the dog owner cut him off and brandished a handgun.
    "At that point, the cyclist shot the victim multiple times," Glascock said.
    The cyclist then called 911 and remained at the scene until police arrived.
    "We questioned and detained the cyclist for the investigation and then released him," Glascock said.
    Glascock said officers recovered two handguns at the scene, one belonging to each man.
    Police investigators have conferred with the Sandoval County District Attorney's Office and no charges have been filed at this time, Glascock said. The investigation is ongoing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBowles
    I don't have to defend my decision to carry to you. Suffice to say I do not carry anymore because it is a major drag.
    Didn't say you had to!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    And to those that say paranoid and dillusional, you have internets obviously, Im guessing you have TV too. Are you still hanging on to the notion that people are inherently good?
    Do a Google search on Brisbane flood volunteers and see how many good people there are.
    Are you saying that there is a large number of people who are inherently bad??

    Reading these threads I have to think that the US is (or maybe already has become) the land of the scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996TT
    Typical gun-toting pu$$y.

    My kid has been riding around (like within 30 feet) coyotes since he was nine.

    He's not scared so why are you?
    Typical d0uch3b4g liberal..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Do a Google search on Brisbane flood volunteers and see how many good people there are.
    Are you saying that there is a large number of people who are inherently bad??

    Reading these threads I have to think that the US is (or maybe already has become) the land of the scared.
    Not scared. What do I have to be scared about. My nine year old daughter being killed at a safeway while we shop? nah.
    A student going on campus and letting off 300 rounds? psssh
    An ex employee going into work and killing everyone he knew? screw that.

    Im not willing to leave my fate in the hands of another person, as long as I can help it

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Not scared. What do I have to be scared about. My nine year old daughter being killed at a safeway while we shop? nah.
    A student going on campus and letting off 300 rounds? psssh
    An ex employee going into work and killing everyone he knew? screw that.

    Im not willing to leave my fate in the hands of another person, as long as I can help it
    Sounds like the "War on Terror" needs to focus more on home soil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Not scared. What do I have to be scared about. My nine year old daughter being killed at a safeway while we shop? nah.
    A student going on campus and letting off 300 rounds? psssh
    An ex employee going into work and killing everyone he knew? screw that.

    Im not willing to leave my fate in the hands of another person, as long as I can help it
    Sounds to me like you're scared of guns. Maybe the solution is to ban handguns, rather than buying another one?

    If you carry a gun you are 4.5 times more likely to die by a gun. FACT. Like all statistics you have to think about this and realize it probably has a lot to do with where you live but still...........
    Keep the Country country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Sounds to me like you're scared of guns. Maybe the solution is to ban handguns, rather than buying another one?
    seriously?
    so who should own guns, just the bad guys and cops?
    when has a law stopped something, escpecially as big as the arms business.
    Do you think outlawing them will somehow get every bad guy to turn his in?
    Do you think the $15/hr cop is really going to protect and serve you? Is your life his first concern?

    Theres sheep and theres sheep dogs in this world...
    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    If you carry a gun you are 4.5 times more likely to die by a gun. FACT. Like all statistics you have to think about this and realize it probably has a lot to do with where you live but still....
    actually thats not a fact. at all. its liberal propaganda. 100%

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    Read what I added while you were typing. Then look it up cuz I know you won't believe me. It will take years for guns to get off the streets after a ban. However, if you look at statistics from countries with handgun bans you will see that it does work.
    Keep the Country country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Read what I added while you were typing. Then look it up cuz I know you won't believe me. It will take years for guns to get off the streets after a ban. However, if you look at statistics from countries with handgun bans you will see that it does work.

    Automatic weapons have been banned in Australia for several years now.
    Cannot remember when the last "massacre" was.
    Pretty sure it was the one that lead to Automatic weapons being banned.

    And more fear in the comment that The Owl does not believe that the police force will protect him.

    You sure seem scared of a lot of stuff Owl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Read what I added while you were typing. Then look it up cuz I know you won't believe me. It will take years for guns to get off the streets after a ban. However, if you look at statistics from countries with handgun bans you will see that it does work.
    I know everything is cool over there on Oahu, but in the real world, guns arent going anywhere. Im 200 miles from the border of Mexico, which should be an occupied zone at this point. The violence is astonishing. it spills over into our streets.
    its been like 40 years since the war on drugs was announced, Look how "under control" that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Automatic weapons have been banned in Australia for several years now.
    Cannot remember when the last "massacre" was.
    Pretty sure it was the one that lead to Automatic weapons being banned.

    And more fear in the comment that The Owl does not believe that the police force will protect him.

    You sure seem scared of a lot of stuff Owl.
    For good reason.
    I dont expect or rely on a stranger to protect me and my family. Cops are reactive, in fact most of our judicial system is reactive. they will show up once someone tries to (or does) kill you, not before.

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    Please mods, kill this thread with a vengance. Kill it with a GUN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    I don't carry a frying pan while riding either.
    I know I'm new to the sport, but you're definitely wrong about the frying pan. I can't imagine anything more dangerous that biking without a good breakfast,... that means an omelet.

    As far as defense, in NY I think a gun is overkill.

    I carry this in easy reach, .. while biking and whenever possible.

    http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/w...layErrorView_N

    I've been threatened a few times.. nothing has ever come of it,.. but just in case, the pen is mightier than the sword.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dion


    Please mods, kill this thread with a vengance. Kill it with a GUN.
    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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    read some real gun facts

    gunowners.org/fs0101.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladin54
    read some real gun facts

    gunowners.org/fs0101.htm

    Not opening it but I bet it will be about as useful as asking 29er riders whether I should buy a 26er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyN
    Here you go

    "Saturday, July 17, 2004

    Dog Chase Ends With Gun Death
    Thank you Andy. That's what I was looking for.

    Any more stories like that?

    I've heard all of Owl's rhetoric hundreds of times. I still don't care if people want to carry guns around with them all the time. Let them.

    @ Stevuke: Not a frying pan but a canteen with a billy can that fits on the bottom. It goes everywhere with me. So does my hatchet. They get lots of use almost daily.
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    Well, if anybody is wondering why these threads always get locked there are some perfect examples in this thread.

    Here are a couple of reasons why it might be a good idea to pack. This happened just about a mile from where I live. I ride right by there on my way to a couple of different trails and roads. This is also one of those areas that seems to attract a lot of sketchy looking people.

    http://lakeconews.com/content/view/16888/919/

    This one is not real close to where I live but I have ridden out there. For what it is worth, there are grows all over the place out here.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...nclick_check=1

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    Everyone knows that the best form of defense is to bite the nose off of anyone who gives you crap on the trail. Just imagine the look on that hiker's face as they come around the corner and see you off your bike with little fido's snout in your mouth as you chomp down and take a nice bite. Works on horses too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dm1333
    Well, if anybody is wondering why these threads always get locked there are some perfect examples in this thread.

    Here are a couple of reasons why it might be a good idea to pack. This happened just about a mile from where I live. I ride right by there on my way to a couple of different trails and roads. This is also one of those areas that seems to attract a lot of sketchy looking people.

    http://lakeconews.com/content/view/16888/919/

    This one is not real close to where I live but I have ridden out there. For what it is worth, there are grows all over the place out here.

    http://www.mercurynews.com/californi...nclick_check=1
    What did either of those have to do with concealed carries (especially on bikes).
    Any excuse though I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    Thank you Andy. That's what I was looking for.

    Any more stories like that?

    I've heard all of Owl's rhetoric hundreds of times. I still don't care if people want to carry guns around with them all the time. Let them.

    @ Stevuke: Not a frying pan but a canteen with a billy can that fits on the bottom. It goes everywhere with me. So does my hatchet. They get lots of use almost daily.
    Ive heard your criticism hundreds of times too. Be glad you have the choice to carry or complain.
    As soon as you get all the bad guys straightened out, send me an email. Until then I have my Zombie attack plan all lined up. Ill be in the sporting goods Dept at Walmart behind a barricade of coleman coolers and sheep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja

    @ Stevuke: Not a frying pan but a canteen with a billy can that fits on the bottom. It goes everywhere with me. So does my hatchet. They get lots of use almost daily.
    Very cool.. my kinda guy...

    and I think in the hands of an in shape guy.. a hatchet or even a mini-pump is as much protection as anyone needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Exactly. Guns are for cowards and pussies. Be a man and fight with your hands.
    I am not trying to start anything, but do you really think any of the disrespectful criminals with no core values or conscience will fight like a man when they have access to a gun?

    I am the whitest kid I know, and all it would take for me to get a gun is a $100 and a short drive and walk over the freeway where I live.

    Criminals don't have respect anymore and they definitely don't fight fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcvpr
    I am not trying to start anything, but do you really think any of the disrespectful criminals with no core values or conscience will fight like a man when they have access to a gun?

    I am the whitest kid I know, and all it would take for me to get a gun is a $100 and a short drive and walk over the freeway where I live.

    Criminals don't have respect anymore and they definitely don't fight fair.
    I am not pro-"owning a gun"

    BUT

    To say that we should fight with our hands is profoundly naive...

    I also think it's naive to think you're gun will protect you from a mugger who plans an ambush.....


    Just like they don't fight fair... they also don't want to be seen coming.

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    there should be more ninjas

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Ive heard your criticism hundreds of times too. Be glad you have the choice to carry or complain.
    As soon as you get all the bad guys straightened out, send me an email. Until then I have my Zombie attack plan all lined up. Ill be in the sporting goods Dept at Walmart behind a barricade of coleman coolers and sheep.
    Please, please, please! Point out my criticism!

    I don't know what you're reading but it certainly isn't anything I wrote.

    Here, this should make it easy even for you:

    I don't usually get in on these but I have a question.
    Does anybody know of anyone who has used a gun (hand gun) while mountain biking?
    I've been riding for over 40 years in every environment possible and I've never felt that a hand gun would have been useful in any situation I've been in so I don't carry one. I don't carry a frying pan while riding either.
    I know this thread won't last long so if anyone has a story where a hand gun was used while mountain biking, answer quick or PM me.
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.
    So, I'll ask again.
    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.
    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.
    I think you're missing my point. I don't give a rat's ass what you do or carry. Nothing you do will make me feel better or worse.
    You also seem to have invented the idea that I'm opposed to people carrying guns. Or that I'm opposed to carrying a gun. Where did you dig that up?
    I was looking for stories from people who have used hand guns while mountain biking. You don't have one, obviously, so I don't know why you would answer my post.
    Thank you Andy. That's what I was looking for.
    Any more stories like that?
    I've heard all of Owl's rhetoric hundreds of times. I still don't care if people want to carry guns around with them all the time. Let them.
    @ Stevuke: Not a frying pan but a canteen with a billy can that fits on the bottom. It goes everywhere with me. So does my hatchet. They get lots of use almost daily.

    As far as I'm concerned, you're arguing with yourself which is funny and sad at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    Please, please, please! Point out my criticism!

    I don't know what you're reading but it certainly isn't anything I wrote.

    As far as I'm concerned, you're arguing with yourself which is funny and sad at the same time.
    I guess im the only one posting here..
    Youre criticism is evident in your language. You wouldnt be bantering if you werent critical. You also never answered my question, even though I answered yours twice.

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    I see a love-connection happening!!!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I don't conceal mine, i'd rather someone see it and not mess with me. Here's my bike


    obviously i'm just kidding, if the same happened to me when riddding i would be packing too. I'm not to worried about it for where i live and ride.

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    here we go again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blue109
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    Yeah, if you want your head cut off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    I guess im the only one posting here..
    Youre criticism is evident in your language. You wouldnt be bantering if you werent critical. You also never answered my question, even though I answered yours twice.
    You didn't have an answer to my question although you thought you needed to say something in reply to it anyway. Something that was totally unrelated to the question.

    So far, Andy is the only one who had an answer to my question.

    My answer to your question is 2. That I know personally.

    Youre criticism is evident in your language.
    Which part?

    this?
    I don't give a rat's ass what you do or carry.
    or this?

    I still don't care if people want to carry guns around with them all the time. Let them.
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    What did either of those have to do with concealed carries (especially on bikes).
    Any excuse though I guess.
    I live in a place where plenty of people grow dope and there is plenty of crime related to that. Forget the morality of whether or not pot should be legal, I'm talking about armed people guarding what they are growing. There is also the occasional meth lab but those are mainly located towards the center or east side of the county. We also have plenty of transients in the woods. Not all of them are nice people.

    I cannot imagine how horrible it must be to live in enough fear that everywhere you go you need to carry a weapon.
    Either your country is extremely frightening or you people are extremely frightened.
    Not really. And if protecting yourself against criminals isn't a good enough excuse to carry a gun............

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    I have carried before...still do sometimes. Have a nice little .380 Kal Tec.

    To each his or her own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    You didn't have an answer to my question although you thought you needed to say something in reply to it anyway. Something that was totally unrelated to the question.

    So far, Andy is the only one who had an answer to my question.

    My answer to your question is 2. That I know personally.



    Which part?

    this?


    or this?
    In case you forgot, which it seems you have, you quoted my post then asked the question.
    Which means, to me at least you were asking me. In which I replied twice. I HAVE NEVER USED A GUN ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE. or road bike or on a human or animal in general.
    you wouldnt still be feeding the troll if you werent all butt hurt.

    When this gets closed ima gonna bump highdells packin heat thread and get it all wonky..

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    I did a product review for a holster not long ago that was designed for athletic applications. I've been using the holster for both running and riding and seems to work great. Easy access, keeps sweat from soaking the gun, etc. I've not had a problem with it so far. I've also shown it to a some biking and running friends who I knew carried. They like it so far as well.


    http://www.pistolwear.com/index.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Exactly. Guns are for cowards and pussies. Be a man and fight with your hands.
    Sorry, but this is a very dumb comment. I do carry. A gun is not for cowards. A gun is for someone wishing to protect themselves. I know I will not do anything to anyone to make them want to fight me. I am well mannered and respectful. Therefore, if someone is wanting to harm me, why should I have to put myself in harms way because they decided to be an a-hole and do harm to me? I shouldnt. Plain and simple. There are also other possible threats than just people.

    Also, to those who say they have been riding for X number of years and never needed one, therefore nobody should need one, there have been a lot of people who might still be alive if they were carrying when they were attacked. Not saying the attacks took place on MTB trails, but an attack can happen anywhere. Its not paranoia, its being prepared to save your life. Having an "it wont happen to me" attitude is what turns people into victims.

    My right as an American to carry a firearm is something I take very seriously. If someone is not comfortable to carry or even own a gun, thats fine. But for that person to say that it is dumb of me, or not man of me, to carry because of their personal illusions that guns are bad, does upset me. I personally think this country would be much safer is more people carried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    In case you forgot, which it seems you have, you quoted my post then asked the question.
    No I didn't.

    See? Funny & sad.

    I didn't ask who hadn't used] a gun while riding. I asked who had. I suppose millions of people haven't used a gun while riding trails. It would take a long time to sort through the answers if they all replied like you did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkbikes4life
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    see. that makes 2% of MTBR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    No I didn't.

    See? Funny & sad.
    okeee.
    youre still here Trail Ninja.
    funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    okeee.
    youre still here Trail Ninja.
    funny.
    Not my first post in this thread but nice try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Yet another person who shouldnt own a gun. Why would you draw your weapon and not fire?
    trail Ninja, since you wont let it go, Please answer my question: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?

    And to those that say paranoid and dillusional, you have internets obviously, Im guessing you have TV too. Are you still hanging on to the notion that people are inherently good?


    I work in some of the worst neighborhoods in Los Angeles on a regular basis....where whitey could be shot just for looking at the right person the wrong way.

    No need to carry a weapon..
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    I usually stay out of arguments like this but anyway here is my 2 cents worth. I've never owned a gun but am not against others owning.

    For lack of a better way to put it I'm a big physically capable guy that since turning 16 has had few to no instances of anyone picking a fight with me. Generally I'm the guy that security follows in the store at 15 paces and I'm the guy that apparently scare people that walk toward me in a dimly lit alley, thus I'm visually/physically the kind of guy that people carry sidearms to protect themselves against. It's a sorry shame because I'm the most peace loving and harmless guy I know but even on the trail I've seen it in folks eyes that they are 'worried' about riding/running/walking toward me even tho I'm just another guy on a bike.

    I've been stopped on the trail either catching my breath or adjusting my seatpost or taking a sip of Gatorade and someone comes within eye-shot of me and stops plainly not wanting to come any closer, usually its a female or young guy out jogging, I kid you not, this happened a number of times this summer, It sickens me somewhat, perceptions and all that stuff but from the other perspective there are predatory people out there looking to get up to no good, being opportunistic and I'm sure many here have a specific fear of being alone in a remote part of the trail, at the cusp of exhaustion and no other helpful soul in sight and out of the blue a handful of thugs decide to make sport of them (or a cougar decides it's time to eat). Exceedingly rare, maybe happens close to never but I'm sure somewhere or other it has happened and I wouldn't want to be that guy. Having a deuce-deuce close at hand might allow you to make it home or can find itself being used against you if you are not careful.

    We live in a complicated world but the right to defend yourself should be something available to everyone, in this land of the gun, there is that option (exept in NYC, DC, ect..). Being alone in the woods, scream all you want, the cops wont be there in time!

    One exhausted dude (yes, even if he knows karate!) against 4 well rested a$$hats, I promise the exhausted dude will lose and be the recipient of a most unholy a$$kicking worthy of a youtube posting.

    Again, knowing my luck and all I've just written here I'll run into somebody that sees my big ugly a$$ decides I'm a threat and starts reaching, as apparently even my friendly smile meant to put others at ease does nothing of the sort.

    Carry mace...might work, probably will against one guy, but figure you will piss of a bunch of them and you still have to make to help that will actually help you..

    A fear I have about those that determine they are going to carry is that they now decide that they will put themselves in situations that they wouldn't have otherwise or choosing to be overly "proactive" about asserting that they are armed and ready to shoot if you give me a reason "punk". You never know, it's tough out there and for me guns are a huge deal...I mean those things shoot bullets...HUGE DEAL...

    Tough choices, I sure wish they were not necessary or serious to the point where people had to decide whether to carry a gun or not, cos guns do one thing..that's kill mofo's and big mistakes can and will happen but it's legal, its available and its a right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej
    I work in some of the worst neighborhoods in Los Angeles on a regular basis....where whitey could be shot just for looking at the right person the wrong way.

    No need to carry a weapon..
    Youre obviously willing to bet your life on that.
    Doesnt matter, the Republik of Kalifornia wont allow you too anyway.

    LA isnt exactly the Capitol of violence in this country..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Sounds to me like you're scared of guns. Maybe the solution is to ban handguns, rather than buying another one?

    If you carry a gun you are 4.5 times more likely to die by a gun. FACT. Like all statistics you have to think about this and realize it probably has a lot to do with where you live but still...........
    Fact: When people like the Brady bunch (not saying they are the ones that came up with this one) come up with "statistics" like this, they factor in gang shootings as well becuase it makes their "statistic" look better. They also factor in when a law abiding citizen shoots an armed attacker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996TT
    Really





    That silliness = scared.

    Just the facts.
    sarcasm escapes your ipad i guess.
    Not a card carrying republican. But Im guessing you vote right down the card.
    I didnt vote for bush.. and I didnt vote for the dark prince.
    but nice pigeon hole attempt shallowman

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    They ought to just sticky a topic at the top that says "Gun thread FAQ"

    and in it put things like what states/countries its legal, what options are out there for carry, what alternatives to firearms are available, and that's it. Then add any other topics or discussions will be deleted, and lock the sticky thread so people can't respond and throw in their two cents.

    Or better still, provide a link to a GUN OWNERS forum where a gun topic is appropriate and you'll get more serious responses to the question.

    now that that's said...and knowing this thread will get binned soon.. I carry a multi-shot signal/noise maker launcher in a side pocket of my hydration pack. And in fact, the ability to reach it without removing the pack while riding was an important considering when I went shopping for a new pack a year ago. Having already t-boned and then endo'ed over a black bear once in my trail riding career, and living someplace where there are moose, cougars, black bears, coyotes and timber wolves (the first of which will REALLY ruin your day) to encounter while riding... signal flares and bear bangers is what I really need quick access to.
    I don't post to generate business for myself or make like I'm better than sliced bread

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996TT
    Wait. I thought I was a liberal d-bag?

    Regardless, your idiocy just proves that neither side has a monopoly on idiots.

    Yes, your posts prove that you are extremely scared.

    Do you ever stop and think about why normal people who are riding the sane trails that you ride aren't such scared pu$$ieaslike you are?

    you are the liberal dbag. no doubt.
    I only had to point this out because you were the only one to start calling people names in this thread. Until I called you a dbag. Its typical of people like you.

    you gotta big mouth, wonder if youre good with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996TT
    Hopefully that fantasy brings you some comfort.

    Heck, in an ideal world you would grow out of being such a frightened pu$$y and be able to act like us normal folks.

    Somehow I doubt that you'll be able to shed your fears and be able to do that though,
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    OK smokey. WTF do you care if I own a gun?
    Im not frightened at all. You need to quit relating fear and being prepared.
    Youre so angry youre calling me names. Im sure its a pelosi thing.

    If I post pictures of people killed in safeways, malls, and schools will you call me a ***** again with dollar signs?

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    Wow cool, now MTBR is showing ads for guns in my sidebar.

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    I consider carrying a gun while riding like carrying a tube or co2, something I lug along hoping I will not have to use it. About the only thing I ever would deploy a firearm for would be a fellow human. I ride in the metro area of DFW and I carry 100% of the time within the metro area, several of the trails are in less desirable parts of towns. Several of other trails have confirmed MTN Lion sighting. I will carry the extra 20 oz's of gun in the baggies every time. I could care less what others think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike
    I don't conceal mine, i'd rather someone see it and not mess with me. Here's my bike


    obviously i'm just kidding, if the same happened to me when riddding i would be packing too. I'm not to worried about it for where i live and ride.
    I'm not kidding. Here I am mountain biking in the late 80's. I used my gun while out on a trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by auto
    I consider carrying a gun while riding like carrying a tube or co2, something I lug along hoping I will not have to use it. About the only thing I ever would deploy a firearm for would be a fellow human. I ride in the metro area of DFW and I carry 100% of the time within the metro area, several of the trails are in less desirable parts of towns. Several of other trails have confirmed MTN Lion sighting. I will carry the extra 20 oz's of gun in the baggies every time. I could care less what others think.
    Exactly. Carrying a gun is nothing more than carrying a tool that has a specific purpose. If nothing happens, the gun never comes out, it never does anything. All these people act like guns on a trail are just going to start shooting people. It takes a person to fire the weapon. The gun is not dangerous. It is just a tool.

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    Man I hate these threads cause anti-gunners just don't get that a gun is simply a tool. Guns don't pull the trigger themselves. I know its a cliche saying but guns don't kill people, people kill people.

    A gun for protection is nothing more than a seatbelt in a car, fire extinguisher/sprinkler system in your home, a helmet for your head. You never intend to use those safety systems, its just there just in case.

    In the utopian world, there would be no guns and no crime, but unfortunately, banning guns in the USA will only make things worse. Just look at the wonderful city of Chicago and the big hypocrite Mayor Dailey. Ban guns but you have your own armed body guards.

    And somewhat back on topic, I have run across several dogs, which if I had fallen on the ground, would have simply ripped me to shreds. In Ohio, if the dog is off of the owners property, well, it is fair game. however, shooting at the dog would be my last resort

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