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    Conceal Carry While Biking

    A few months ago I ran into some sketchy characters while mountain biking. They were stopped in the middle of the trail on an uphill climb. A good place to catch someone riding at a slower pace and out of breath. Seemed sort of odd as they were wearing jeans, hoodies and smoking cigarettes. I tried to make some noise so that they would hear me and step to the side of the trail. They didn't move. I passed on the left side of the trail. One said "oh sorry man". I said "no problem" and continued to pedal. As soon as I was clear of them I glanced under my left arm pit and both guys were right there within arms reach off my back tire. My first thought was that they were going to club me with a limb and steal my stuff. I kicked down a few gears and took off. It sort of rattled me because I was by myself and it was getting close to dusk and my wife was waiting for me at the trail head. After that I decided that I would start packing a small pocket pistol if I was out by myself. I have a small pouch rigged up that I can clip to my camelback. It's pretty nondescript and looks like a camera pouch. I opted to mount it to my pack rather than my bike in case I had to leave the bike to go pee or was knocked off, I would still have it with me. I don't want to seem paranoid but it only takes once. Anyone else pack?

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    I dont know what is worse, the spam threads here or the monthly "packing heat" thread that always gets closed.
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    I've packed before while mountain and road biking. Dog owners who refuse to believe that Fido actually chases people on bikes, snapping at them, were one reason. Sketchy characters in the middle of nowhere in the woods was another reason.

    I dont know what is worse, the spam threads here or the monthly "packing heat" thread that always gets closed.
    It is a legitimate topic to talk about. The fact that people don't like it or get all riled up about it and post stuff that gets a thread locked doesn't make it any less legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dm1333
    It is a legitimate topic to talk about. The fact that people don't like it or get all riled up about it and post stuff that gets a thread locked doesn't make it any less legit.
    My thoughts, exactly. If you don't believe in your right to self defense, then keep your trap shut and go read some other thread.

    That said, I have yet to carry while riding. I don't have the gear to have an easy-to-reach pistol on me while on a bike, and there's not much need for it on the trail around here.

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    I carry mace/pepper spray on the front camelback strap. Easy acess. I believe in self defense as well, but here in california defenders go to jail before perps..

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    Literally, this thread comes up once a month and gets deleted everytime.
    A gun in your pack is about as useful as carrying an empty gun and a pocket full of bullets.
    Any chance you have to draw your weapon from your pack, you might as well be running.
    I dont know about your state, but I wouldnt want to shoot someones dog because they are nipping at my heels. you will go to jail, (unlawful discharge, animal cruelty, extreme)you will probably have a civil suit.
    That said. I carry, loaded and in a manner where I can get it while pedaling

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    Trails here in Florida are very public. I've never felt the need for protection before, but I don't begrudge anyone else their rights to pack heat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Literally, this thread comes up once a month and gets deleted everytime.
    A gun in your pack is about as useful as carrying an empty gun and a pocket full of bullets.
    Any chance you have to draw your weapon from your pack, you might as well be running.
    I dont know about your state, but I wouldnt want to shoot someones dog because they are nipping at my heels. you will go to jail, (unlawful discharge, animal cruelty, extreme)you will probably have a civil suit.
    That said. I carry, loaded and in a manner where I can get it while pedaling
    Yikes, what state do you live in that you can't protect yourself from an attacking animal?

    <---dog lover btw, but I also believe that pets should be under control. Which is also the law in Florida. 6' leash.

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    One of my uncles was treed by a small pack of wolves while hunting in a remote area. They decided to disengage after he blew one of them away. I suspect the same principle works on bipedal predators too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bclagge
    Yikes, what state do you live in that you can't protect yourself from an attacking animal?

    <---dog lover btw, but I also believe that pets should be under control. Which is also the law in Florida. 6' leash.
    The United States.
    You will probably win, but it will cost you a lot of money. Is that 50lb dog really endangering your life? or just going to cut your leg open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    The United States.
    You will probably win, but it will cost you a lot of money. Is that 50lb dog really endangering your life? or just going to cut your leg open.
    That's phenomenal legal advice, sport . What I can do in TX would make me a criminal in NY. What I can do in AZ would make me a criminal in TX.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr
    That's phenomenal legal advice, sport . What I can do in TX would make me a criminal in NY. What I can do in AZ would make me a criminal in TX.
    glad you approve, Walker TX Ranger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    The United States.
    You will probably win, but it will cost you a lot of money. Is that 50lb dog really endangering your life? or just going to cut your leg open.
    Is that 50lb dog endangering my life? You know what, let's give him a chance and see. Oh, ok cool he just wants to rip my leg to shreds, I'll put my gun away and beat him off with my fists.

    Barring your questionable logic, you're working off false information. If you don't think a 50lb dog can kill a human being, you don't know dogs.

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    Why not mace? Or a tazer? Or stun gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclagge
    Is that 50lb dog endangering my life? You know what, let's give him a chance and see. Oh, ok cool he just wants to rip my leg to shreds, I'll put my gun away and beat him off with my fists.

    Barring your questionable logic, you're working off false information. If you don't think a 50lb dog can kill a human being, you don't know dogs.
    Would you use your logic for a person? If so, you shouldnt ever own a gun.
    The original "shooting a dog" response came from this:

    I've packed before while mountain and road biking. Dog owners who refuse to believe that Fido actually chases people on bikes, snapping at them, were one reason. Sketchy characters in the middle of nowhere in the woods was another reason.
    Snipping at your heels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble
    Why not mace? Or a tazer? Or stun gun?
    If by mace, you mean a stick with a spiked metal ball on the end, yeah that would work too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stumblemumble
    Why not mace? Or a tazer? Or stun gun?
    Mace is a pretty good idea. Some of that stuff is really wicked. It's a lot smaller than a gun and won't cause a fuss if someone sees it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Would you use your logic for a person? If so, you shouldnt ever own a gun.
    The original "shooting a dog" response came from this:


    Snipping at your heels?
    Fair enough, I got off the original anecdote.

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    Why do you need a gun to defend yourself? Can't you use your fists, or a stick like you suspected they were going to? I understand that if they have a gun you need one too but what if no one had guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lelandjt
    Why do you need a gun to defend yourself? Can't you use your fists, or a stick like you suspected they were going to? I understand that if they have a gun you need one too but what if no one had guns?
    Then it would be a fairy tale.
    When people go into supermarkets, campuses, gyms and malls and shoot at people, you cant use fists to defend yourself.

    What do I possibly have to be paranoid about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Then it would be a fairy tale.
    When people go into supermarkets, campuses, gyms and malls and shoot at people, you cant use fists to defend yourself.

    What do I possibly have to be paranoid about?
    That fairy tale would be the rest of the first world countries outside of the paranoid U.S. of Arms.

    But, I have to agree that at this point in time I don't see any way the US can be gun free. And it's a very sad state of affairs when a rider has to consider wearing a gun to go mountain bike. Not much 'Freedom' there.
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    I dont know about your state, but I wouldnt want to shoot someones dog because they are nipping at my heels. you will go to jail, (unlawful discharge, animal cruelty, extreme)you will probably have a civil suit.
    How about if I change my statement to something along the lines of "Dog owners who don't believe that Fido charges people and bites at them. Or that their dog will chase somebody on a bike for blocks, distracting the rider from things like cars and pedestrians. Or that their beloved little guard dogs will charge across a creek in a pack and chase mountain bikers down county and state roads, causing them to fear for their safety?"

    Where I live the county is pretty strict about leash laws and keeping your pets under control. Just about every time I have had a dog chase me while I'm on a public road I've called the cops. I've also pepper sprayed several dogs and then called the cops. Luckily pepper spray has worked, so far.

    edit: just for the record, my original wording was "snapping", not "snipping". If a dog is growling, barking and snapping at me you can be pretty darn sure I'm worried about being hurt. If I could I would pack Cesar Milan around all the time to take care of these problems but he weighs a heck of a lot more than a gun.

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    You certainly have the right to carry in most places as long as you follow the rules. THat being said, if you can't get it out and be ready to shoot in less than a second it's not going to do f@ck for you. Furthermore, training to be on the defense is serious business. Winning a fight for your life requires many many hours of training. You can't just throw a few rounds at paper targets and call it good. In the situation you described, it's likely that by the time you got your weapon out it would have been a hand-to-hand fight, in which case you're likely to have your gun taken from you unless you have trained right. If you want to protect yourself that's your right, but it's not as easy as buying a tool, you have to be able to really use it.
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    I don't usually get in on these but I have a question.

    Does anybody know of anyone who has used a gun (hand gun) while mountain biking?

    I've been riding for over 40 years in every environment possible and I've never felt that a hand gun would have been useful in any situation I've been in so I don't carry one. I don't carry a frying pan while riding either.


    I know this thread won't last long so if anyone has a story where a hand gun was used while mountain biking, answer quick or PM me.
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    Dogbrain youre right on all counts. Thats my point about shooting at a dog. using a gun should be a last resort when there is no other choice. It does require quite a bit of training to effectively use a gun under adrenaline situations. For me, I wouldnt drive a car without fully knowing how to operate it. I feel that way about firearms too.
    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    I don't usually get in on these but I have a question.

    Does anybody know of anyone who has used a gun (hand gun) while mountain biking?

    I've been riding for over 40 years in every environment possible and I've never felt that a hand gun would have been useful in any situation I've been in so I don't carry one. I don't carry a frying pan while riding either.


    I know this thread won't last long so if anyone has a story where a hand gun was used while mountain biking, answer quick or PM me.

    I have never used a handgun while riding. I have also never needed the space blanket tucked in the bottom of my camelbak. But I dont plan on removing it because of that.

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    Firearms are the great equalizer. That being said, about the only time I've actually carried was when I used to ride at night. Then, the main reason is because we have coyotes.

    I would not begrudge another the opportunity to defend his life in a mortal situation. Heavens knows, a dead victim can't call the police to defend his life.

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    So how does everybody like living in the world of paranoia and fear. I am really suprised that some of you even bother to leave the safety of your home.

    Granted I don't live in areas where bears are an issue, but to encounter a mountain lion is not out of the question.

    Carrying to stop someones dog from nipping at my heals, is not a strong enough case.....sorry, I have more of a chance of getting bitten by a rattlesnake....and in that case, a gun isn't going to do me any good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej
    So how does everybody like living in the world of paranoia and fear. I am really suprised that some of you even bother to leave the safety of your home.

    Granted I don't live in areas where bears are an issue, but to encounter a mountain lion is not out of the question.

    Carrying to stop someones dog from nipping at my heals, is not a strong enough case.....sorry, I have more of a chance of getting bitten by a rattlesnake....and in that case, a gun isn't going to do me any good.
    Hey youre right there. I dont carry because of bears or dogs. I have no dillusions that my little handgun will stop a bear. And we all know a bike is the best defense against a dog; (jump off and make a barrier)
    I carry for the John McClusky's and the Jared Lee's out there.
    Also to follow up on Trail Ninja's comment: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?

    The Luby's cafeteria shooting in Texas a number of years ago included victims in the restaurant who lawfully had guns in their cars. The law said that couldnt bring their gun in...

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    I carry one of these attached to the front of my camelback strap.



    Handy tool to cut any vines that my become entangled in the drivetrain as well as it could be useful if someone tried to mug you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    I carry for the John McClusky's and the Jared Lee's out there.
    Also to follow up on Trail Ninja's comment: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.

    So, I'll ask again.

    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.

    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.

    So, I'll ask again.

    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.

    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.

    Like I said, I havent ever needed one. But thats not reason enough (for me) not to carry one. Will that make you feel better if I say Im defending myself against coyotes instead of humans?

    Luckily I dont have to defend my right to carry, (yet) only my decision to. If you dont want to carry, great!. thats your decision. I dont need to carry, I choose to. If you think youre safer on a mountain as opposed to a "dark alley", then you obviously have enough trust in your negotiation or hand to hand combat skills to avoid mortal danger.

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    So how does everybody like living in the world of paranoia and fear. I am really suprised that some of you even bother to leave the safety of your home.Granted I don't live in areas where bears are an issue, but to encounter a mountain lion is not out of the question.

    Carrying to stop someones dog from nipping at my heals, is not a strong enough case.....sorry, I have more of a chance of getting bitten by a rattlesnake....and in that case, a gun isn't going to do me any good.
    Why, I like it just fine, thank you! You don't know where I live and have never seen some of the people that I have come across out in the woods. I also carry a small first aid pack, some basic survival stuff and a cell phone whenever I'm out in the woods. Is that paranoid too?

    A dog nipping at your heels is one thing, a pack of dogs chasing you down a road in the middle of nowhere is something else.

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    Coyotes?
    seriously?
    they run away like scared little bltches!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Please, not one of these threads again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja
    No, it wasn't a comment. It was a legitimate question. I seriously wanted to know.

    So, I'll ask again.

    Does anybody know of someone who has used a hand gun for defense while riding a mountain bike? Not in a restaurant, or while hunting, or walking down a dark alley, but while riding a mountain bike on trails.

    RBowles' situation is a good example of where a gun might come in handy. Coyotes are following you and a couple of shots could scare them off.

    After all the threads on this topic, I'd really like to see an answer to this question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    If you think you're safe on a mountain then you obviously have enough trust in your hand to hand combat skills.
    Exactly. Guns are for cowards and pussies. Be a man and fight with your hands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by disfocus
    After all the threads on this topic, I'd really like to see an answer to this question.
    You won't cuz it's never happened. F***in paranoid pussies.
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    Award for the retarded thread of the week goes to......

    Just back from my daily ride in Brisbane Australia.
    As usual I carried:

    Tube
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    Somehow plain forgot to carry any form of concealed weapon.

    I cannot imagine how horrible it must be to live in enough fear that everywhere you go you need to carry a weapon.
    Either your country is extremely frightening or you people are extremely frightened.

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    A can of bear spray will cover any safety concerns you might have for a vast majority of situations. Wildlife concerns - done. Uncontrolled dogs - done. Idiot dog owners - done.

    It's easier to carry (can be attached to pack shoulder strap for quick access). It's nonlethal, so it doesn't generate the controversy of a firearm. It requires less training to use effectively. It's less expensive. The accident potential is lower because of the reduced training required. The potential fallout of misuse is lower.

    Firearms are a legitimate form of self defense, but they're overkill for most situations where people think they'll need them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Like I said, I havent ever needed one. But thats not reason enough (for me) not to carry one. Will that make you feel better if I say Im defending myself against coyotes instead of humans?

    Luckily I dont have to defend my right to carry, (yet) only my decision to. If you dont want to carry, great!. thats your decision. I dont need to carry, I choose to. If you think youre safer on a mountain as opposed to a "dark alley", then you obviously have enough trust in your negotiation or hand to hand combat skills to avoid mortal danger.
    I think you're missing my point. I don't give a rat's ass what you do or carry. Nothing you do will make me feel better or worse.

    You also seem to have invented the idea that I'm opposed to people carrying guns. Or that I'm opposed to carrying a gun. Where did you dig that up?

    I was looking for stories from people who have used hand guns while mountain biking. You don't have one, obviously, so I don't know why you would answer my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll
    Coyotes?
    seriously?
    they run away like scared little bltches!

    I don't have to defend my decision to carry to you. Suffice to say I do not carry anymore because it is a major drag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytrekex8
    A few months ago I ran into some sketchy characters while mountain biking. They were stopped in the middle of the trail on an uphill climb. A good place to catch someone riding at a slower pace and out of breath. Seemed sort of odd as they were wearing jeans, hoodies and smoking cigarettes. I tried to make some noise so that they would hear me and step to the side of the trail. They didn't move. I passed on the left side of the trail. One said "oh sorry man". I said "no problem" and continued to pedal. As soon as I was clear of them I glanced under my left arm pit and both guys were right there within arms reach off my back tire. My first thought was that they were going to club me with a limb and steal my stuff. I kicked down a few gears and took off. It sort of rattled me because I was by myself and it was getting close to dusk and my wife was waiting for me at the trail head. After that I decided that I would start packing a small pocket pistol if I was out by myself. I have a small pouch rigged up that I can clip to my camelback. It's pretty nondescript and looks like a camera pouch. I opted to mount it to my pack rather than my bike in case I had to leave the bike to go pee or was knocked off, I would still have it with me. I don't want to seem paranoid but it only takes once. Anyone else pack?
    OK, you're on an uphill and see some guys ahead of you (you have your gun). They look out of place. So you either draw your gun now or keep riding and get kilt by the bad guys. I guess you will be stopping a lot on the trail and "gettin ready" - - - for nothing. Maybe a holster on the downtube would be better.

    Realistically, if "they" want to get you, your most likely dead - - gun or not (especially if you are riding a mountain bike on an uphill).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisgah
    OK, you're on an uphill and see some guys ahead of you (you have your gun). They look out of place. So you either draw your gun now or keep riding and get kilt by the bad guys. I guess you will be stopping a lot on the trail and "gettin ready" - - - for nothing. Maybe a holster on the downtube would be better.

    Realistically, if "they" want to get you, your most likely dead - - gun or not (especially if you are riding a mountain bike on an uphill).

    Yet another person who shouldnt own a gun. Why would you draw your weapon and not fire?
    trail Ninja, since you wont let it go, Please answer my question: How many living people do you know who needed a gun and didnt have one?

    And to those that say paranoid and dillusional, you have internets obviously, Im guessing you have TV too. Are you still hanging on to the notion that people are inherently good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disfocus
    After all the threads on this topic, I'd really like to see an answer to this question.
    Here you go

    "Saturday, July 17, 2004

    Dog Chase Ends With Gun Death

    By Michael Davis
    Journal Staff Writer
    A pistol-packing mountain biker killed a Cochiti-area man Thursday— after, he said, the man threatened him with a handgun— near Cochiti Lake, State Police said.
    The victim, Scott Massey, died of multiple gunshot wounds, State Police spokesman Lt. Jimmy Glascock said. The name of the mountain biker, a 39-year-old Albuquerque firefighter, according to Glascock, was not released Friday.
    The cyclist told police the altercation occurred after he was chased by the victim's dogs and he fired a shot to scare them away.
    Officers responded to the shooting about 6:40 p.m. in Cochiti Canyon, near the Dixon Apple Orchard past Cochiti Lake.
    According to Glascock:
    The cyclist was pedaling his mountain bike on Tent Rocks Road toward the lake when he was chased by two dogs. The cyclist drew his pistol and fired a shot into the ground to scare the dogs off, and they ran away unharmed.
    "He didn't shoot the dogs," Glascock said.
    The cyclist said he heard someone shouting but kept pedaling.
    He told police that, a mile or two later, Massey raced up behind him in a Toyota pickup. The biker said he got off the road and his bicycle.
    Massey owned the dogs, Glascock said, and the cyclist told police Massey was extremely angry and verbally abusive.
    The mountain biker said that he tried to leave but that the dog owner cut him off and brandished a handgun.
    "At that point, the cyclist shot the victim multiple times," Glascock said.
    The cyclist then called 911 and remained at the scene until police arrived.
    "We questioned and detained the cyclist for the investigation and then released him," Glascock said.
    Glascock said officers recovered two handguns at the scene, one belonging to each man.
    Police investigators have conferred with the Sandoval County District Attorney's Office and no charges have been filed at this time, Glascock said. The investigation is ongoing."

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    Quote Originally Posted by RBowles
    I don't have to defend my decision to carry to you. Suffice to say I do not carry anymore because it is a major drag.
    Didn't say you had to!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    And to those that say paranoid and dillusional, you have internets obviously, Im guessing you have TV too. Are you still hanging on to the notion that people are inherently good?
    Do a Google search on Brisbane flood volunteers and see how many good people there are.
    Are you saying that there is a large number of people who are inherently bad??

    Reading these threads I have to think that the US is (or maybe already has become) the land of the scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 996TT
    Typical gun-toting pu$$y.

    My kid has been riding around (like within 30 feet) coyotes since he was nine.

    He's not scared so why are you?
    Typical d0uch3b4g liberal..

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Do a Google search on Brisbane flood volunteers and see how many good people there are.
    Are you saying that there is a large number of people who are inherently bad??

    Reading these threads I have to think that the US is (or maybe already has become) the land of the scared.
    Not scared. What do I have to be scared about. My nine year old daughter being killed at a safeway while we shop? nah.
    A student going on campus and letting off 300 rounds? psssh
    An ex employee going into work and killing everyone he knew? screw that.

    Im not willing to leave my fate in the hands of another person, as long as I can help it

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_owl
    Not scared. What do I have to be scared about. My nine year old daughter being killed at a safeway while we shop? nah.
    A student going on campus and letting off 300 rounds? psssh
    An ex employee going into work and killing everyone he knew? screw that.

    Im not willing to leave my fate in the hands of another person, as long as I can help it
    Sounds like the "War on Terror" needs to focus more on home soil.

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