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    Carry a gun while riding (Everyone should read this!)

    Here is my take (and I have been saying this for the last 5 years of riding trails in the woods and keep seeing threads about pros and cons of this..... So here is what everyone of those should read, my opinion.)


    I always wondered why more crime does not happen on the trails. Here in South East Pa. from riding in Philly area and Central Pa. the cities have more video cameras than everywhere (Lancaster Pa., Amish Country has more cameras than anywhere in the Country for a small city!!) This article I read in the L.A.Times about that:

    Lancaster, Pa., keeps a close eye on itself - Los Angeles Times

    And this is an old article (I saw on the news they now have Double the camera's they put up then!!)---also that is a Huge tourist area and outside the city they have more stores and restaurants (and Outlet Malls) than anywhere!! and all those places have serious camera monitoring... you drive down route 30 through Lancaster and see cameras on every traffic light there!

    No one ever gets away with any crime there (which is good)---but I always thought why the fools do not do more crime there IN THE WOODS, On Trails who have no cameras there!! (but just saw in that area that something bad did happen)---these 2 fools took this girl at the Wildlife Preserve there and burned her (killing her after stabbing her)--then came back for the body a second time!?!?!?!

    Court Document: Men set victim on fire in Lancaster County woods | Lancaster News - WGAL Home

    In Philly you got 'flash mobs', gang members who hang out in Fairmount Park at THE WISS trails (where I ride) and crack heads and violent vagrants up the street at the Belmont Trails...

    Outside of Philly this guy on a bike trail got attacked (was carrying and killed one teen---these kids are crazy violent now and have zero respect for human life!!) so I know he was glad he was carrying then..

    Boys Attack Cyclist Who Fights Back, Kills 1: Cops | NBC 10 Philadelphia

    here is another crazy violent crime on the trail there:

    2nd suspect surrenders in Berks bike path killing - Morning Call

    ----------------------So I would tell everyone carry something (pepper spray, knife, whatever you think you can handle and is appropriate for the area....)-----I know me, If I rode with Bears I would carry a gun (forget the pepper spray)----it is life and death at that point!! me, I like riding (and don't want to end up in a wheelchair because some fools broke my neck (stole my bike) and left me for dead....

    So I have NO Problem with folks having whatever they think is necessary... Because I have seen some shit on the trails also (and know no Rangers go out to check on anything that I have seen at certain places.....)

    So basically with no cameras (various entry points, etc...) I always thought the criminals would take advantage of this (and they certainly have in my area....) Also I know a lot of crimes in those areas DO NOT go reported if Rangers even find out (to make the area less attractive to people..... like Colleges do with keeping violent behavior from the general public newspapers....)

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    Yeah I just went there (get tired of seeing the responses about clueless folks who think the trials are all safe haven places.... cause that ain't true, and I have seen some crazy violent behavior at the Big trails here, like French Creek!!!)

    I just know you would not want to take your family and run into some of these crazy vagrants I have seen living on trails in Central Pa... I have even told the rangers about it when I have seen them and they know the homeless folks stay there (one time someone was throwing rocks at his supermarket basket he had blocking the road to his tent..) Guess they don't get involved unless they get violent toward folks...

    but all it takes is one of them smoking something they can get there hands on and then get into a violent rage (and I know if you had your family at the park, in the woods, you would then wish you were prepared!!!)---that is my 2 cents..... cause not everyone rides trails in Colorado (or some famous trails system where crime like this is non existent...)

    p.s. that video is Hella funny!!!! but I know folks will respond to this....

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    This thread will get locked but what the hell... why on earth would I want to carry a big hunk of metal with me when I ride? What am I protecting myself from? Someone who wants my bike? My cell phone? My money? ****... they can have it. They want my life? What is their motivation?

    Maybe there are more crazy people where you live. For me it's a non-issue and one I won't even entertain because it is just plain silly.

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    must be winter----don't get it??

    ---but again I tell everyone to come to my part of the Country (then their views on this might change..)

    Mike Tyson said it best, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched hard in the mouth!"

    --just saying views change quickly when standing (or riding) in someone else's shoes.

    and I am certain when folks ask this question here that they have seen things on some trails (that are not rated P.G.) like a lot of folks ride (and probably keep there doors unlocked even)------AND I won't get started about the Professional Car Thieves at THE WISS in Philly who ravage all the cars there (when not parking at the 2 safe lots...)

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    Dude, we really don't need another thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    Here is my take (and I have been saying this for the last 5 years of riding trails in the woods and keep seeing threads about pros and cons of this..... So here is what everyone of those should read, my opinion.)


    I always wondered why more crime does not happen on the trails. Here in South East Pa. from riding in Philly area and Central Pa. the cities have more video cameras than everywhere (Lancaster Pa., Amish Country has more cameras than anywhere in the Country for a small city!!) This article I read in the L.A.Times about that:

    Lancaster, Pa., keeps a close eye on itself - Los Angeles Times

    And this is an old article (I saw on the news they now have Double the camera's they put up then!!)---also that is a Huge tourist area and outside the city they have more stores and restaurants (and Outlet Malls) than anywhere!! and all those places have serious camera monitoring... you drive down route 30 through Lancaster and see cameras on every traffic light there!

    No one ever gets away with any crime there (which is good)---but I always thought why the fools do not do more crime there IN THE WOODS, On Trails who have no cameras there!! (but just saw in that area that something bad did happen)---these 2 fools took this girl at the Wildlife Preserve there and burned her (killing her after stabbing her)--then came back for the body a second time!?!?!?!

    Court Document: Men set victim on fire in Lancaster County woods | Lancaster News - WGAL Home

    In Philly you got 'flash mobs', gang members who hang out in Fairmount Park at THE WISS trails (where I ride) and crack heads and violent vagrants up the street at the Belmont Trails...

    Outside of Philly this guy on a bike trail got attacked (was carrying and killed one teen---these kids are crazy violent now and have zero respect for human life!!) so I know he was glad he was carrying then..

    Boys Attack Cyclist Who Fights Back, Kills 1: Cops | NBC 10 Philadelphia

    here is another crazy violent crime on the trail there:

    2nd suspect surrenders in Berks bike path killing - Morning Call

    ----------------------So I would tell everyone carry something (pepper spray, knife, whatever you think you can handle and is appropriate for the area....)-----I know me, If I rode with Bears I would carry a gun (forget the pepper spray)----it is life and death at that point!! me, I like riding (and don't want to end up in a wheelchair because some fools broke my neck (stole my bike) and left me for dead....

    So I have NO Problem with folks having whatever they think is necessary... Because I have seen some shit on the trails also (and know no Rangers go out to check on anything that I have seen at certain places.....)

    So basically with no cameras (various entry points, etc...) I always thought the criminals would take advantage of this (and they certainly have in my area....) Also I know a lot of crimes in those areas DO NOT go reported if Rangers even find out (to make the area less attractive to people..... like Colleges do with keeping violent behavior from the general public newspapers....)
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    This will get political in 3... 2... 1...

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    This will get political in 3... 2... 1...

    (I am a card carrying, CCW/CHL citizen)
    OBAMA!!!

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    I am just saying that things ARE DIFFERENT in certain areas in the Country.. I DO NOT carry an gun when I ride (I do carry pepper spray and a nice SWAT knife in my saddle bag)----I am just showing people that this can help save your life, and showing them that this is the case!!!

    it's funny, People call me a 'tree hugger', and now I am NOT trying to say that here to folks who are against this---I am just saying Whatever works for you (and has you feel safe) then do it (if it is legal)---but get tired that 95% of the responses I see are soo biased (AND I AM SHUTTING UP NOW)--

    --Hear that Moderators (I am shutting up now)-----not trying to get this closed.. I KNOW MTBR is Not a 1st Amendment site (with certain things)---I said my peace and THAT IS THAT!!!

    -debate amongst yourself (cause I do have a record of getting threads shut down)---and AM NOT contributing to this...

    I AM JUST SAYING that EVEN IN AMISH COUNTRY Pa. (That is a HUGE High Crime Area)--and even the trials up the street FROM AMISH COUNTRY have HUGE issues!!!


    p.s. and put that in BOLD just so everyone reads it clearly!!

    and 'AZ' Yes you did need another thread (cause I wanted everyone to read this to see this stuff, Life and Death, is happening on the trails!!)---maybe not in your area (but in other places in the Country, like Hella Violent Amish Country, it does happen...) And I AM DONE--------Said my peace (and documented it also)-----can anyone say that who bashes me (not just give your snobby opinion)-----LATER---

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandiego View Post
    OBAMA!!!

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    Stupidest, gayest post of the day. Op, you're a dork, at best.

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    mbm65, you look like the dork (at best) with that pic there I am looking at!!

    --and Moderators, that is my last posts (cause I know the 'small penis', I mean small mind crowd is gonna let me have it!!)----

    p.s. This dude looks like the Stupidest (gayest, in HIS WORDS to me) dude..
    maybe he is asking me for a date??

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    [B] (AND I AM SHUTTING UP NOW)--............

    --Hear that Moderators (I am shutting up now)-----not trying to get this closed.. I KNOW MTBR is Not a 1st Amendment site (with certain things)---I said my peace and THAT IS THAT!!!.............

    -debate amongst yourself (cause I do have a record of getting threads shut down)---and AM NOT contributing to this...
    And I AM DONE--------Said my peace (and documented it also)-----can anyone say that who bashes me (not just give your snobby opinion)-----LATER---
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    --and Moderators, that is my last posts .............(and I am Not responding anymore!!!)
    Did you spill coffee on your keyboard? Because it looks like your "I'm not going to post anymore" key is stuck. Also, your "preemptively set up weak arguments against your (dubious?) point and refute them in the same post to notch up a hollow victory" key is stuck as well. The one thing you didn't mention is how long we have to buy guns before the amish bike stealing mafia spreads out to the mountain timezone. Alas, being a person of such strong conviction, you will never look at this thread again so I'm afraid this constructive criticism will go to waste. Nonetheless, thank you for this mildly entertaining troll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    Yeah I just went there (get tired of seeing the responses about clueless folks who think the trials are all safe haven places....
    As long as you know how to absorb the impact and practice balance, trials is plenty safe. Just wear the protective gear.
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    Okay, so that was funny. And it devolved pretty quick. However, I think the topic is legitimate and I would like to actually discuss it seriously.

    I have been riding for a week. I mostly only ride on the road. But I hike. Avidly. When I hike, I never feel in danger. But things do happen. One thing is for sure, statistically, you are MUCH more likely to be injured by falling or doing something stupid or the weather than by any other living creature, human or animal.

    One of the city bike trails in my area is poorly lit and passes through a bad side of town that is known for drive by shootings. The town is Muskogee, OK, which has consistently ranked in the top most dangerous cities in the U.S. Seriously, I have literally feared for my life when I was in certain parts of town. Now, obviously it is my choice whether to frequent these areas.

    But let's say that I don't want to "let them scare me." Let's say that I want to "make a stand" and show the gangbangers that this trail is being reclaimed. What can I do? I think invoking my right as a CCL holder is actually appropriate in this case. It would be a pain in the butt, however, and I have never done it. But that doesn't mean that it is off the table.

    As for crime on the trail... well... It definitely happens, but I choose to believe in the overall decency of human beings. Plus, I would just give whoever it was, whatever they wanted. In the off chance that I became one of the 0.001 percent (if that) of people that die in violent crimes? Well, at least I died doing something that I enjoyed. Or used the self defense training to take care of the situation.

    In my opinion, carrying a weapon is a privilege and responsibility and when I am on the trail, I don't want any of the latter. I'm there for fun.

    Besides... I think that the criminals who are willing to hike 15 miles out after driving to a middle-of-nowhere trailhead are likely to be a very tiny fraction of a percentage of all the criminals in the world. I'll take my chances.

    But as for the CC in a dangerous part of the city... well, that might be a whole 'nother story.

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    OP, why do you think you're special enough that you need a whole thread for yourself about this topic? There's another carrying while riding thread in General, just a spot or two above where this one is. Go do your thing in there.
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    Its still a free country... If you want to carry a firearm go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandiego View Post
    This thread will get locked but what the hell... why on earth would I want to carry a big hunk of metal with me when I ride? What am I protecting myself from? Someone who wants my bike? My cell phone? My money? ****... they can have it. They want my life? What is their motivation?

    Maybe there are more crazy people where you live. For me it's a non-issue and one I won't even entertain because it is just plain silly.

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    Do we need two threads on the same topic at the top of the page? Maybe they can be combined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKbkr View Post
    Okay, so that was funny. And it devolved pretty quick. However, I think the topic is legitimate and I would like to actually discuss it seriously.

    I have been riding for a week. I mostly only ride on the road. But I hike. Avidly. When I hike, I never feel in danger. But things do happen. One thing is for sure, statistically, you are MUCH more likely to be injured by falling or doing something stupid or the weather than by any other living creature, human or animal.

    One of the city bike trails in my area is poorly lit and passes through a bad side of town that is known for drive by shootings. The town is Muskogee, OK, which has consistently ranked in the top most dangerous cities in the U.S. Seriously, I have literally feared for my life when I was in certain parts of town. Now, obviously it is my choice whether to frequent these areas.

    But let's say that I don't want to "let them scare me." Let's say that I want to "make a stand" and show the gangbangers that this trail is being reclaimed. What can I do? I think invoking my right as a CCL holder is actually appropriate in this case. It would be a pain in the butt, however, and I have never done it. But that doesn't mean that it is off the table.

    As for crime on the trail... well... It definitely happens, but I choose to believe in the overall decency of human beings. Plus, I would just give whoever it was, whatever they wanted. In the off chance that I became one of the 0.001 percent (if that) of people that die in violent crimes? Well, at least I died doing something that I enjoyed. Or used the self defense training to take care of the situation.

    In my opinion, carrying a weapon is a privilege and responsibility and when I am on the trail, I don't want any of the latter. I'm there for fun.

    Besides... I think that the criminals who are willing to hike 15 miles out after driving to a middle-of-nowhere trailhead are likely to be a very tiny fraction of a percentage of all the criminals in the world. I'll take my chances.

    But as for the CC in a dangerous part of the city... well, that might be a whole 'nother story.
    Same here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandiego View Post
    Same here.

    I'm sure these two idiots both thought they were in the right.
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    that is why I don't carry when I ride.. short fuse........

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    short fuse........
    Short memory too? I thought you were adamant about being done with this topic, informing everyone like 20 times. I'm sorry to say that I don't think I can take you seriously anymore. My search continues for an Internet blowhard who doesn't paint themselves into corners.

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    Oh no, not another thread asking about shoes, we had one of those twelve years ago, no need to discuss it again! Lets just lock the entire forum up going by that logic.

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    Do we need two threads on the same topic at the top of the page? Maybe they can be combined.
    This could be said for 99% of the threads in General going back 15 years. There's only so many bike related topics to talk about. I say let them ride as individual threads. When the mods combine threads all it does is cause complete chaos followed by a surge in psychiatric counseling.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Short memory too? I thought you were adamant about being done with this topic, informing everyone like 20 times. I'm sorry to say that I don't think I can take you seriously anymore. My search continues for an Internet blowhard who doesn't paint themselves into corners.
    You know what (I try to not respond to asssholles who like to attack me after I have written a Thoughtful, Well Documented, and more than Truthful post!!---again it is my opinion but somehow I say things the 'regulars' on here do not like.. then they attack me (so yes I do respond, but mostly try not to)----but when someone like you calls me a blowhard then yeah, I do respond!!--I know the Mods do not like that cause they close things down (but fuk it, 1st amendment does say I can have my own opinion---because I DO NOT call folks Blowhards, etc...)

    ---So to all the Haters on MTBR everytime I post (instead of calling someone a troll, or whatever)---Man Up, just read someone else's opinion that may differ from yours (and grow up!)

    All you folks do is start name calling 247... but I expect that from these regulars on MTBR..... but who cares (besides the Mods who have to shut these down)-----I am just expressing my opinion (until MTBR gets all North Korea on me and shuts me down on this site)----AND THAT is what all you fools should really be concerned with!!!! 247...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terp View Post
    Short memory too? I thought you were adamant about being done with this topic, informing everyone like 20 times. I'm sorry to say that I don't think I can take you seriously anymore. My search continues for an Internet blowhard who doesn't paint themselves into corners.

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    You know what (I try to not respond to asssholles who like to attack me after I have written a Thoughtful, Well Documented, and more than Truthful post!!---again it is my opinion but somehow I say things the 'regulars' on here do not like.. then they attack me (so yes I do respond, but mostly try not to)----but when someone like you calls me a blowhard then yeah, I do respond!!--I know the Mods do not like that cause they close things down (but fuk it, 1st amendment does say I can have my own opinion---because I DO NOT call folks Blowhards, etc...)

    ---So to all the Haters on MTBR everytime I post (instead of calling someone a troll, or whatever)---Man Up, just read someone else's opinion that may differ from yours (and grow up!)

    All you folks do is start name calling 247... but I expect that from these regulars on MTBR..... but who cares (besides the Mods who have to shut these down)-----I am just expressing my opinion (until MTBR gets all North Korea on me and shuts me down on this site)----AND THAT is what all you fools should really be concerned with!!!! 247...
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    I have seen some crazy violent behavior at the Big trails like French Creek!!!)
    Car to elaborate? I have been riding there for 15 years and have never seen anything. just curious.
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    I wonder what the international members of this forum think when they read all this stuff?

    If it's really that dangerous, you guys should be movin' somewhere safe - Somalia maybe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmaboy View Post
    I wonder what the international members of this forum think when they read all this stuff?

    If it's really that dangerous, you guys should be movin' somewhere safe - Somalia maybe?
    We laugh our a$$es off at these threads. They are funny.

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    i ride in san francisco's golden gate park at night sometimes. i've seen some creepy-meth-y cretins (and their aggressive, untrained, unleashed dogs) in the park after 8:00pm. i've considered carrying pepper spray but never a gun.

    the legal consequences of blasting mister meth-teeth in the face with Sabre Spray...or shooting him anywhere are much different...even if "he was coming right at me'...

    on a last, mean-spirited thought...one day, i hope that the parks department puts pepper spray in the sprinklers to roust the gutter punks who camp on the trails...

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    mbm65, you look like the dork (at best) with that pic there I am looking at!!


    p.s. This dude looks like the Stupidest (gayest, in HIS WORDS to me) dude..
    maybe he is asking me for a date??
    No way dude! I'd never date such a dork. Gah!!

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    You know what (I try to not respond to asssholles who like to attack me after I have written a Thoughtful, Well Documented, and more than Truthful post!!---again it is my opinion but somehow I say things the 'regulars' on here do not like.. then they attack me (so yes I do respond, but mostly try not to)----but when someone like you calls me a blowhard then yeah, I do respond!!--I know the Mods do not like that cause they close things down (but fuk it, 1st amendment does say I can have my own opinion---because I DO NOT call folks Blowhards, etc...)

    ---So to all the Haters on MTBR everytime I post (instead of calling someone a troll, or whatever)---Man Up, just read someone else's opinion that may differ from yours (and grow up!)

    All you folks do is start name calling 247... but I expect that from these regulars on MTBR..... but who cares (besides the Mods who have to shut these down)-----I am just expressing my opinion (until MTBR gets all North Korea on me and shuts me down on this site)----AND THAT is what all you fools should really be concerned with!!!! 247...
    I don't know about the rest of you but this is what keeps me up at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    You know what (I try to not respond to asssholles who like to attack me after I have written a Thoughtful, Well Documented, and more than Truthful post!!---again it is my opinion but somehow I say things the 'regulars' on here do not like.. then they attack me (so yes I do respond, but mostly try not to)----but when someone like you calls me a blowhard then yeah, I do respond!!--I know the Mods do not like that cause they close things down (but fuk it, 1st amendment does say I can have my own opinion---because I DO NOT call folks Blowhards, etc...)

    ---So to all the Haters on MTBR everytime I post (instead of calling someone a troll, or whatever)---Man Up, just read someone else's opinion that may differ from yours (and grow up!)

    All you folks do is start name calling 247... but I expect that from these regulars on MTBR..... but who cares (besides the Mods who have to shut these down)-----I am just expressing my opinion (until MTBR gets all North Korea on me and shuts me down on this site)----AND THAT is what all you fools should really be concerned with!!!! 247...
    Whoa there bud.. First off, you knew there were many "anti-gun" supporters here on MTBR. So don't get mad when there are opposing views of yours either. If you keep it civil, calm, and focused anyone can have a conversation. But, this thread immediately comes off hostile and aggressive, and you wonder why you get hostile and aggressive responses?

    TO me, as soon as either side of any debate results to insults they both lose all credibility to me. WE are a people where anger and stubbornness gets in the way of facts and common sense.
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    Mat be the question you should ask yourself (american) Is: Why do you have to fear that much will riding on the forest, our even just walking on the street?? What is wrong with your country?

    There must be a really profound society probleme down there. Any chance it's the free capitalism? Anything for money, me, myself, and I atitude?

    You really thing it normal to fear riding in the forest? Except for animal maybe...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapinGTI View Post
    You really thing it normal to fear riding in the forest? Except for animal maybe...
    Look what happened to Little Red when she went Riding in the Hood without a CCW.

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    Incidents happen every day, in any given country. The odds are always in your favor considering the sheer numbers/percentages, until your number comes up.

    I realize some here will take issue considering the source, but these are all documented cases, and only a tiny fraction of all that occur, whether for better or worse.

    Make a mockery of differing opinions, mentalities, and cliche' sayings as you will, but there are plenty of actual scenarios where people were most certainly glad to have such a tool at their disposal.

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    I worry for all your safety. The ones carrying and the ones not carrying. After reading through this thread I'm not so sure the world is safe with the mentality displayed here.
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    Dude, I'm in Illinois. The only place anyone would come from that would say this area is hilly is Kansas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapinGTI View Post
    Mat be the question you should ask yourself (american) Is: Why do you have to fear that much will riding on the forest, our even just walking on the street?? What is wrong with your country?

    There must be a really profound society probleme down there. Any chance it's the free capitalism? Anything for money, me, myself, and I atitude?

    You really thing it normal to fear riding in the forest? Except for animal maybe...
    You got it. The irony is it's the right side of politics that support the carrying of guns to protect themselves and they are also the side that doesn't like welfare.

    All of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK etc etc are safer because the right wing of politics doesn't believe in the stupidity of toting guns around, and understands that a decent progressive tax system and welfare helps keep crime down.

    If you live in a country where gated communities exist in numbers, you have a problem. ( Russia! South Africa, and USA come to mind)


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    Quote Originally Posted by Yama Arashi View Post
    Make a mockery of differing opinions, mentalities, and cliche' sayings as you will, but there are plenty of actual scenarios where people were most certainly glad to have such a tool at their disposal.
    Yep, I'm glad I have my fire extinguisher. I hope I never have to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmaboy View Post
    You got it. The irony is it's the right side of politics that support the carrying of guns to protect themselves and they are also the side that doesn't like welfare.

    All of Western Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK etc etc are safer because the right wing of politics doesn't believe in the stupidity of toting guns around, and understands that a decent progressive tax system and welfare helps keep crime down.

    If you live in a country where gated communities exist in numbers, you have a problem. ( Russia! South Africa, and USA come to mind)

    So your saying that we should start giving people more free money from the state to support themselves, completely throwing personal responsibility out the window? And if we don't there will be more crime? But if we do, the crime rate will drop? Did I understand you correctly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sodak View Post
    So your saying that we should start giving people more free money from the state to support themselves, completely throwing personal responsibility out the window? And if we don't there will be more crime? But if we do, the crime rate will drop? Did I understand you correctly?
    No what he is saying that if there is a safety net for people who loose their jobs for what ever reason may not turn to crime. Unfortunately there will always be people who will abuse this and there will still be gang bangers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yep, I'm glad I have my fire extinguisher. I hope I never have to use it.
    My friend, you are a troll that just won't let it go. WE all get your anti-gun stance, you've made your point very clear. Please just let it go and stop trolling every thread. Please & Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sodak View Post
    So your saying that we should start giving people more free money from the state to support themselves, completely throwing personal responsibility out the window? And if we don't there will be more crime? But if we do, the crime rate will drop? Did I understand you correctly?
    Well, if we can trust people to use guns, surely we can trust them to use money responsibly. Right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Well, if we can trust people to use guns, surely we can trust them to use money responsibly. Right?
    From a fisherman mindset and dealing with trolling... you are going to have to try much harder for me to set the hook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sodak View Post
    From a fisherman mindset, you are going to have to try much harder for me to set the hook.
    I don't have to have you set anything, my day does not hinge upon this. The double-standard is there for everyone else to see. Enjoy your day.
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    [B].....I know me, If I rode with Bears I would carry a gun (forget the pepper spray)----it is life and death at that point!!
    A regular handgun will only piss the bear off, thus encouraging it's aggressiveness toward you. So, unless you are planning on carrying a high power rifle, or a perhaps a magnum 44 in your camel-back, the spray is more effective.
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    I know me, If I rode with Bears I would carry a gun (forget the pepper spray)----it is life and death at that point!!
    Quote Originally Posted by 6bobby9 View Post
    A regular handgun will only piss the bear off, thus encouraging it's aggressiveness toward you. So, unless you are planning on carrying a high power rifle, or a perhaps a magnum 44 in your camel-back, the spray is more effective.
    I shot a small black bear that was running at me and I've seen others shoot running bears. I've never seen one drop in it's tracks. They always continue on for a little bit. I've also hit bears with pepper spray. Not only do they stop dead in their tracks, I've had them do that thing where they fly backwards a few feet like you see in the movies when someone gets shot.

    I've never been attacked by a human on the trail. But if I was, I'd trust my bear spray.
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    The only place it makes sense to carry a gun MAYBE is IF you live in the ghetto and do a ton of urban riding. Outside of this, it absolutely makes NO sense at all. The post is basically a need for validation for being able to carry a gun for no real reason at all. Anything bad can happen ANYWHERE, so that means we should be able to carry guns anywhere? I'm sure many will wish this is true but I think that's just ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trail Ninja View Post
    I shot a small black bear that was running at me and I've seen others shoot running bears. I've never seen one drop in it's tracks. They always continue on for a little bit. I've also hit bears with pepper spray. Not only do they stop dead in their tracks, I've had them do that thing where they fly backwards a few feet like you see in the movies when someone gets shot.

    I've never been attacked by a human on the trail. But if I was, I'd trust my bear spray.

    Agreed on the spray. It's fantastic. I am a rancher, hunter and mountain biker. I hunt everything including bears. I have an 11,000' mountain in my back yard with a couple thousand bears. A hand gun will not stop a 1000 lb bear around here, it just makes them mad. A little black bear sure but honestly a little training goes a long way and it's free. I am not in Alaska but it was the first link and it is common most anywhere. Anyone that frequents the mountain can get a in on a 1 hour session at their local USFS here in the states.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mookie View Post
    Hey shoes are OK. Shoes never hurt anyone. Shoes don't kill people, people kill people.
    Whoa there not so fast......shoes in the wrong hands are severely dangerous weapons.
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    The only place it makes sense to carry a gun MAYBE is IF you live in the ghetto and do a ton of urban riding. Outside of this, it absolutely makes NO sense at all. The post is basically a need for validation for being able to carry a gun for no real reason at all.
    Not so.....

    I was posting factual evidence of what even happens in Amish Country (Lancaster Pa.)---the Lancaster area (and surrounding towns) now have more violence (per capita) then the Big City down the street (Philly.)

    I am sure this is happening in A LOT of areas in this Country (if it is even happening in Amish Country Pa. (where they even had a drive-by shooting of an Amish buggy here a few months ago and the horse died after the trip cause it took bullets!!!)--see this:

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    I was saying (as I have been for the last 5 years now of riding in the woods) that I am just amazed that more DOES NOT happen on the trails (because you are miles away from any help)-----you can blow a whistle 100 times and 99.9% of those times no one will probably even come to see if you need help... At least that is what I have seen in trails in Central Pa.

    And the trails in Philly (Belmont especially) do have violent episodes happen there.. I was just responding to the guy who asked if ANYONE DOES CARRY ON THE TRAILS (No Trolling, just backing up that in this area violence is happening even on the trails---see my original post)

    And this area has Harrisburg, Pa. (State Capitol, they have great trails here also!) and Reading Pa. (worse crime than Detroit and Camden N.J.) and York Pa. (which does have great trails there also!)

    And even Lancaster Pa. now has more cameras than anywhere in the Country because of crime there!!

    I worked with a few people who did have concealed weapons in this area (because of incidents they later told me about where they almost ended up a victim of crime..)

    But I will say this (my opinion, which everyone gives when they write a sentence on this board)----I am sure that in Texas (where folks carry weapons and can even shoot and kill ANYONE on their property, I am sure crime is a lot less in those areas---knowing people do carry guns...) I know for a fact there that even the Bank (Wells Fargo, etc...) cannot even come on your property to repo a car you have not paid on (because by law there the homeowner can shoot to kill!!!!)

    --All I am saying is that especially when out in the woods (where anything can happen, and no one might ever find your body... Why not carry a gun there???)----I would be apt to carry a gun in the woods than I would walking down the street going to McDonalds....

    --p.s. York Pa. (about an hour from Baltimore Md.) now is so lawless that you have 10-20 incidents each night (in a small town) of people just shooting there guns off randomly.... The city had to install 'microphones' all around the city so they can pinpoint where the shots keep being fired from (but never seem to actually catch anyone there doing it??)

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    Big shout out to 247. Hope you and all your boyz from L.A. to Philly are enjoying an ice cold Magic Hat #9 and a tasty burger from Fuddrucker's. I know you got Donald Trump's right hand man on the line. You tell these mtbr haters:

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    Quote Originally Posted by lapinGTI View Post
    There must be a really profound society probleme down there. Any chance it's the free capitalism? Anything for money, me, myself, and I atitude?
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    You got it. The irony is it's the right side of politics that support the carrying of guns to protect themselves and they are also the side that doesn't like welfare.
    I haven't seen a stretch like that since the women's gymnastics teams last competed at the Olympics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yama Arashi View Post
    I haven't seen a stretch like that since the women's gymnastics teams last competed at the Olympics.
    Pretty sure they compete at every Olympics.
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    Hey Slow Danger---it is nice to know that I have a following and you are so well versed on 247...

    and yes, had a Magic Hat #9 earlier watching the NFL games (and had one last night even....) it is like the 5th food group....

    --p.s. Friday at work I had Goerge Bush's buddy on conference call.... I have to write a separate post on that..

    You are probably now living vicariously through me aren't you. Telling all your friends my stories like they are yours! You are even posting my prior posts for all to see (and have more of a following on MTBR.)

    But Seriously Dude, you are a little 'trick' aren't you... Come down to Philly so I can get you out on the streets, quick!! (where you belong!!) you little Hoe'...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    But Seriously Dude, you are a little 'trick' aren't you... Come down to Philly so I can get you out on the streets, quick!! (where you belong!!) you little Hoe'...
    Hey, man. I'm just messing. I figured you was too.

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    Talking about a mans choice of beer is off limits, brooo lol. Kidding aside, the sensitivity of the op, mixed with a gun on the trail makes for a dangerous combination. What? You don't like my bike? Oh you don't yield on the trail? Things like this make me worry more than anything I will ever encounter on the trail.

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    Carry a gun while riding (Everyone should read this!)

    So sick of this crap. Enough of the gun threads already. Use the damn search button.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    Hey Slow Danger But Seriously Dude, you are a little 'trick' aren't you... Come down to Philly so I can get you out on the streets, quick!! (where you belong!!) you little Hoe'...
    What the feck is this sh*t?
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    What the feck is this sh*t?
    Classic 247 sh!t.

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    Hey, man. I'm just messing. I figured you was too.
    I am.. I am a clown!! thought your were just clowning' also..

    ---I got that line from The Fast and The Furious (1st one)--they were playing it all last week or 2 after the actor died..

    it is from a scene in that movie (if you have seen it)-----I just have a warped sense of humor.... Even though I 'ram' on some folks here it is all not to serious....

    the scene is where Vin Diesel's friend says it to the actor who just died (in real life) if anyone has seen the movie.................

    as you can see from my posts (I do GO THERE at times....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    I am.. I am a clown!! thought your were just clowning' also..

    ---I got that line from The Fast and The Furious (1st one)--they were playing it all last week or 2 after the actor died..

    it is from a scene in that movie (if you have seen it)-----I just have a warped sense of humor.... Even though I 'ram' on some folks here it is all not to serious....

    the scene is where Vin Diesel's friend says it to the actor who just died (in real life) if anyone has seen the movie.................

    as you can see from my posts (I do GO THERE at times....)
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    So back before the degeneration of this thread (Moderators please close this!), someone said that a small handgun would not help with a bear unless it was a 44 mag or something.

    From the authority of being a hunter, first responder, and a seasonal butcher for the past 10 years, I beg to differ.

    As a hunter, I have seen a deer felled with a BB gun. Head Shot. Dead as soon as it hit the ground. It wasn't a walmart pellet gun, but a $300 number from a gun show.

    As a first responder, I have seen things that killed both humans and animals that you would be surprised at. Life is fragile.

    As a butcher, we kill full grown steers (much thicker skull than a bear) with a .22 mag. Well, technically, the bullet just renders them unconscious until we slit the throat and bleed them out. So they really die of blood loss. But the point is that it fells them.

    All this being said is that a trusty 9mm is completely capable of felling a bear. And a 44 mag or rifle, with their greater power, wouldn't help at all if you can't get them out or know how to use them.

    Pepper spray or bear spray is meant for close quarters. Hand guns are meant for medium distances. Rifles are best used at farther distances.

    A rifle would be practically pointless to carry unless you were actually hunting.

    Bear Spray, when the charging bear is that close, is probably going to be the last thing you are thinking of as yellow liquid rushes down your leg.

    A good handgun could discourage a bear even if not directly aimed at the bear. The extremely loud noise is likely to stop it in its tracks. If not, aim for the eyes and don't miss. If you are going to miss, and know it or are afraid of it, go to the gun range more often and become proficient.

    There is nothing more dangerous than a person with a gun who doesn't know how to use it, completely and utterly. Not even a person who does know how to use it is proverbially more dangerous than an idiot with a gun. NOTE: 95% of gun owners IMHO... are idiots. Seriously. I say that even about my own father, who owns many amazing guns whiles I only own a handful. My father doesn't practice or remember half of the things he thinks he does. Using a gun is not like the idiom about riding a bike. You HAVE to keep it up every week (at the least) for the rest of your life.

    So, if you want to protect yourself from "predators" and aren't willing to visit your local gun range and practice two or three times a week, squeezing off several hundred pretty expensive rounds (especially these days), don't bother with a gun. Get bear spray and an air horn and hope that you don't freeze up if and when the time comes (which for 99% of you, it won't.)

    Like I said in my first post on this thread. Carrying a gun is a responsibility. Most people who own guns, unfortunately, like most things in their lives, don't live up to that responsibility. And that is basically 98% of the damn NRA, who, I think, should stick to the Rifles their organization is named after and STFU about handgun regulations, which need to be about 1000X more restrictive.

    I can't wait until the gun regulations are as strict as in Europe. Guns there are not illegal. But to own one is extremely, extremely difficult: BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY MAKE YOU KNOW HOW TO USE IT COMPLELTELY AND UTTERLY. Even in Switzerland, where everyone over a certain age is just handed a military grade rifle and ammunition to keep in their house. They get the training they need. Not here. But that is another story.

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    So back before the degeneration of this thread (Moderators please close this!),
    Well you had a great response (and that is what we are looking for with these Threads..) So now would NOT be the time to close it...


    someone said that a small handgun would not help with a bear unless it was a 44 mag or something.

    ---ALSO was that really NOT supposedly somewhat true??

    I have seen (and heard) reports of people high on drugs (or bath salts??) who get shot with .22's, .380's, and even 9mm's and STILL KEEP COMING!!!

    I have seen episodes of COPS where guys get TAZED TWICE with 50,000 volts and it does Nothing to them (and those crack heads are 'weight weenies' as MTB's say!!

    So not out of the realm of possibility to think that a Huge ATTACKING Bear would NOT get stopped with smaller caliber guns??

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    Quote Originally Posted by OKbkr View Post
    So back before the degeneration of this thread (Moderators please close this!), someone said that a small handgun would not help with a bear unless it was a 44 mag or something.
    BS, someone recently emptied a whole magazine on an AR-15 into a bear here, it didn't kill it instantly, it went off and died much later than it was shot, there's a reason we have "bear guns" up in Alaska, it's to drop bears instantly so they don't overrun you while they are injured.

    Handguns kill humans by making a wide channel, aided by the expansion, ends up being half an inch or more, this causes extreme blood pressure loss, and unconsciousness. Adding to this that humans are fairly fragile, breaking bones is fairly easy in the process and humans tend to be more "aware" of their injuries and act less on instinct to kill.

    Rifles use a much smaller round that creates a shockwave due to the high velocity. If the round is too small, like the 5.56 mentioned above, it will fragment when it hits the animal. Great for humans, creating multiple wound channels, but much less effective on animals with their thick hides, skulls, and muscle tissues. This is why the guy had to dump 30 rounds into it to mortally wound it, and even then it didn't kill it outright. In this sense, a .300 winchester magnum is usually the round of choice up here, great power, penetration, etc. Works on a wide variety of animals, like bears, moose, wolves, etc. Remember that even when wounded, animals will often still come at you, operating on instinct and their remaining senses, even after being shot.

    Some rounds are especially poor, like .45acp (I have one of these), they are big fat slow rounds, meant to offset the issue of the small wound channel in humans due to military rules that prevent expanding rounds from being used, so by being so large they create that bigger channel, but due to low energy they don't penetrate very much. .45s have been stopped by heavy clothes, in fact I tested them and was shooting some old harddrives and they failed to penetrate the metal discs, they would just end up being "captured".

    So yes, if you walk up to a moose or a sedated bear with a 9mm, you can probably drop them with a head shot. The round has a lot of energy at that distance and you can aim center-mass of the head so it doesn't bounce off as a grazing shot. This is not realistic in the backcountry if you are faced with an aggressive animal. You won't be able to get that close and a head shot is ridiculous to plan for, especially on a moving target. You need real penetrating power to create that wound channel big and deep enough.

    This is why in Alaska a .44 magnum with a 300gr round is considered the minimum for protection against bears and moose. As a side note, usually the bears want nothing to do with you and will move out the the way or to somewhere else before you get to where they are. Moose don't do this and stand completely still until you get too close, then they charge you. Moose are generally more dangerous than the bears.

    Extremely loud noise like handgun rounds will stop a bear in it's tracks? It's likely the bear won't understand the noise (they don't really learn much about handguns) and be momentarily a little confused, but continue with whatever it's doing.

    And I felled a turkey with a pellet (air) gun. Doesn't mean I'd use that if I was trying to protect myself from turkeys (if turkeys were actually a threat). You seem to be equating walking up and popping a round between the eyes with actual self-defense in the wilderness. Not sure how that's the same thing. Yes, you can find bears killed by 9mm. You can find people that survived without ever wearing a seatbelt as a kid, you can find people that rode on the British comet airliners, but that doesn't make any of those things a good idea just because they worked once.

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    Lol, this is not the zoo we are taking about. So I guess cops always shoot people in the eyes when they are using deadly force? Soldiers too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    Well you had a great response (and that is what we are looking for with these Threads..) So now would NOT be the time to close it...





    ---ALSO was that really NOT supposedly somewhat true??

    I have seen (and heard) reports of people high on drugs (or bath salts??) who get shot with .22's, .380's, and even 9mm's and STILL KEEP COMING!!! [/I]
    Yep, if it doesn't hit a critical organ and either doesn't penetrate, doesn't expand enough, or is too small to begin with, it won't cause the loss of blood pressure that causes unconsciousness, hence, they'll keep coming, sometimes even if an organ other than the heart or brain is hit.
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    This thread is full of stupid.
    24/7, Okie level stupid drivel.
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    The Definitive Post on Carrying a Gun While Riding MTB

    The debate is over. The answer to this burning question is . . . .

    If you want to talk about guns, post on a Gun Forum;

    If you want to talk about mountain bikes, continue to post here.

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    Back in the 80's as a kid. I had to complete a two day hunters safety course before I could hunt. Haven't hunted since the late 80's. To this day I would have to show my hunters education card before a state hunting license will be issued. Every year will still have hunters shot. Every year livestock get shot. How does one confuse a half ton cow with a deer anyways?

    My point is. I can easisly purchase a gun from a pawn shop or person off the street any day. If I lose my hunters education card. I have to contact the state. Wait a week for a new card to be sent. Then I can purchase a hunting license. People should have to register every fire arm and have to take gun safety classes.

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    The debate is over. The answer to this burning question is . . . .

    If you want to talk about guns, post on a Gun Forum;

    If you want to talk about mountain bikes, continue to post here.

    This IS about Mountain biking Exclusively!!

    My point was to say that the Least place one should feel safe is when you are 15 miles deep in the Mountains with NO Cell Phone reception, No way to call 911, NO HELP Whatsoever!!!

    And People who do bad things know this (and I have seen this on the trail in MY experience...)


    ALSO Remember this guy who hid in the North Carolina Forest for 5 years!!!

    Eric Rudolph: Serial Bomber ? Eric Rudolph ? Crime Library on truTV.com

    He had the FBI, National Guard, State Police, Marshall Service, etc. looking for him with Helicopters, Bloodhounds, Heat Seeking Equipment, etc.. AND NO ONE COULD FIND THIS GUY in the woods!!

    Isn't this area home to one of (if not the best, real mountain biking trails in the Country?? If not the entire planet???)

    so this is definitely about Mountain Biking (and being deep in the woods where anyone can run into this guy!!)

    I am sure everyone is familiar with the saying, "Head for the Hills"--

    well the one thing criminals know is if they do not want to be found (head to the woods...)

    I have seen stories like this (and one where a child abductor kept his victims in a cave he built in the woods!!) Imagine running up to one of these guys at the trailhead (and you got NO chance with a whistle!!)

    Injured Westside home invasion robbery victim hid in woods until police arrive | firstcoastnews.com

    Imagine you are just out wanting to go on a nice ride one day for some exercise and fresh air (or trying to beat your STRAVA times on a trail) and all of a sudden you have NO IDEA who is 'laying' for you behind that tree (waiting to basically do you some serious harm, or possibly ending your life) because they know how much heroin they could buy selling your 5K bike (and your cell phone, credit cards)---maybe even get your keys ad steal your car also?? knowing it could be days (or weeks, IF EVER) that someone finds out what happened??

    ---So my main point with this post is just what I had been saying about this very same thing when I started Mounting Biking (and the crime and weirdo's I have seen on the trails..)

    Wasn't there this one guy in Cali. who chased Mountain Bikers with machetes (for years) attacking them?

    Also in Philly at THE WISS some fool (for years) would have his dogs bite mountain bikers (PMBA would always cover that)

    --So case in point, Crime is about one thing, opportunity!! Sooner or later with more people out riding trails, and more video cameras everywhere, criminals will get wise as to there being more opportunities to get over on someone on the trails...

    That is why here in Philly they target the cars like they do (because they know no one is around, no one cares if someone's alarm goes off, and by the time someone can react it is too late)---

    this is a good video (and where I even park my car!!)

    Thefts From Cars in Fairmount Park | NBC 10 Philadelphia

    --p.s. they say in this video there are a few thefts (PLEASE!!!!)--there was a stretch a few years ago that every time I came to ride (5 times a week for 3 months) upon returning to my car I Always saw someone's window broken (or car doors open)---I even took a video on my cell looking into a car that had all 4 doors open (looking to see if someone was hurt)--then called the police... that car had nothing left inside (and was a new car..)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    BS, someone recently

    ***** edit blah blah blah *****

    rce? Soldiers too?
    So we should carry a rifle? Just the coles notes answer please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayem View Post
    Yep, if it doesn't hit a critical organ and either doesn't penetrate, doesn't expand enough, or is too small to begin with, it won't cause the loss of blood pressure that causes unconsciousness, hence, they'll keep coming, sometimes even if an organ other than the heart or brain is hit.
    Bigger gunz needed. Got it.

    Maybe a bike trailer with a cannon mounted to it? sweet!

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    Dang, 247, I shoulda known you'd be quoting Fast & Furious. My bad.

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    7.62 for the 8" inch travel, 5.56 for the 5".......got it.

    I find it amusing that this topic (considering the other thread as well) has gone from how/reasoning for why to carry or not carry, while riding, into a caliber debate. Not much different from every gun forum thread evolution in regard to this topic.

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    how to adapt this to FS linkages though:


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    Nearly a perfect set-up 006, if only one didn't have to throw a steezy whip to shoot straight ahead.

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    And you're definitely onto something:




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    Can't say as Ive ever seen someone take the time to post pics of their bikes with assault rifles. All this time I thought posting pics of your bike in the kitchen was strange.

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    It actually started as a stereotypical 'Merica joke at the behest of a friend. It certainly seems to get some reactions.

    And they're not technically assault rifles. I have no select fire/happy trigger capabilities.

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