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    Julianna = Vile, pagan, lesbian, out-of-wedlock child bearing scum!!!!

    (ok, since she's presumably trolling, here ya go )

    I'm gratified, Julianna, that you've come to the same conclusion as the millions of Europeans who preceded you on their journeys to the U.S - that this country offers much more in the way of opportunity and hope than that economically stagnant and culturally sclerotic collection of quaint old buildings and nude statues you call home.

    Perhaps you will come to appreciate the grace, integrity, common sense, and good values that the people of the Old Dominion will demonstrate. Perhaps some of that character will rub off on you, for clearly you're life is a mere superficial quest for hedonistic delights and lacks meaning. This is to be expected from someone whose enviable position of privilege comes at the expense of the untold suffering exacted upon the hapless victims of the mighty Dutch colonial empire - undoubtedly the most exploitive commercial state the world has ever known. I wonder if the life of luxury you enjoy was bought with the blood and toil of the countless victims of the lash of their evil Dutch overlords.

    Perhaps as you experience the substance of family values in Virginia, you'll realize that the best decision you can make regarding the future of your unborn child is to marry a good, Christian man and raise your child in the Christian church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    this country offers much more in the way of opportunity and hope than that economically stagnant and culturally sclerotic collection of quaint old buildings and nude statues you call home.
    Yeah, chief, tell that to the 30% of the United States populace that is living in effective poverty. ; - ) Go tell 'em.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    Perhaps you will come to appreciate the grace, integrity, common sense, and good values that the people of the Old Dominion will demonstrate.
    I think those dead civilians in Iraq might beg to differ on your attribution of "grace" and "common sense." I think the international criminal court in the Hague would be obliged to differ with respect to "good values"...

    Integrity? Does that mean blowing coke and skipping out on your governmental duties while chasing skirt and swilling beer and liquor?

    Maybe good values means those values of the Southern Baptists? Or the Evangelicals?

    Or maybe those good values are the values of Puff Daddy Combs? Or maybe they're the values of Enron?

    Pathetic-ito, tell me, what are these good values?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    clearly you're life is a mere superficial quest for hedonistic delights and lacks meaning.
    Gee, I was watching t.v. the other day and both MTV and General Motors told me that the American dreams is "a mere superficial quest for hedonistic delights," so buy the sheet we're hawking, and screw everyone else.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    This is to be expected from someone whose enviable position of privilege comes at the expense of the untold suffering exacted upon the hapless victims of the mighty Dutch colonial empire - undoubtedly the most exploitive commercial state the world has ever known. I wonder if the life of luxury you enjoy was bought with the blood and toil of the countless victims of the lash of their evil Dutch overlords.
    I hope this is tongue and cheek; if not, you're either the stupiest baboon West of the Atlantic or pathetically uneducated.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    Perhaps as you experience the substance of family values in Virginia, you'll realize that the best decision you can make regarding the future of your unborn child is to marry a good, Christian man and raise your child in the Christian church.
    Pathetic-ito, I think the best decision you could make regarding the future of your not yet born (or conceived?) children is to marry "a good, Christian man and raise [said child] in the Christian church."

    Thanks for another enlightened post from a middle-class white dude from the midwest?

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    [QUOTE=KITB]Yeah, chief, tell that to the 30% of the United States populace that is living in effective poverty. ; - ) Go tell 'em.

    Living in poverty based on what criteria? What, anyone who makes under 30 grand is under the poverty line? I've noticed that either you use hyperinflated numbers (100,000 dead Iraqis) or just pull stuff out of your ass.


    I think those dead civilians in Iraq might beg to differ on your attribution of "grace" and "common sense." I think the international criminal court in the Hague would be obliged to differ with respect to "good values"...
    I think most of the living Shi'a ones would thank us for freeing them from the great big concentration camp that was life under Saddam.




    Integrity? Does that mean blowing coke and skipping out on your governmental duties while chasing skirt and swilling beer and liquor?

    Maybe good values means those values of the Southern Baptists? Or the Evangelicals?

    Or maybe those good values are the values of Puff Daddy Combs? Or maybe they're the values of Enron?

    Pathetic-ito, tell me, what are these good values?
    Maybe it means taking charge of your life, ceasing the self-destructive habits of youth and changing your life for the better...maybe even becoming a great President

    Values means exposing those who lie, cheat and steal, and instead of cutting off their hands, we bring them to justice.

    Puffy Combs....nevermind, you win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    I think most of the living Shi'a ones would thank us for freeing them from the great big concentration camp that was life under Saddam.
    You're the one who said it: "living" - I'm not sure the innocent killed or relatives of those innocent killed would agree with you.

    Concentration camp? I'm not going to get up here and say Saddam wasn't a bad dude... but concentration camp? I think many Iraqis would disagree with you there, too.

    In fact, many are saying they miss the security they had under Saddam. Just like many of Afghanis are saying they miss the security they had under the Taliban.

    Does this mean they want either of those governments back? No, but it DOES mean that your Fox News view of the world is wrong: not everything the Taliban or Saddam did was bad.

    Ahh... poor stupid one afflicted with black and white thinking. It's ok, some of us will be successful because of our advanced intellectual capabilities.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    Maybe it means taking charge of your life, ceasing the self-destructive habits of youth and changing your life for the better...maybe even becoming a great President /
    Man, you just cream when you hear Bush's name, don't you?

    I love your rosy glasses, dude. So the guy was a drunk, womanizing, cocaine abuser who ran companies into the ground and now he's a great guy. It seems only Republican presidents can escape the sins of their past in the eyes of a Republican... lame. Everyone else is a loser for life.

    If George W. Bush's last name wasn't Bush, he'd be a half-rate used car salesmen somewhere in Texas, and that's a fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    Values means exposing those who lie, cheat and steal, and instead of cutting off their hands, we bring them to justice.

    Puffy Combs....nevermind, you win.
    Jesus Christ. Those who lie, cheat an steal. Well, hombre, you just named nearly every member of the Republican party. It's only sad that our media isn't more interested in exposing their lying, cheating, and stealing. Maybe one day we'll get a media with some cojones again, and they'll expose Bush for the lying sack of dog crap that he is.

    Alas, Bush et al. make lots of money off our crap culture. Who'd want to change it?

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    On the media w/cojones...

    Quote Originally Posted by KITB
    You're the one who said it: "living" - I'm not sure the innocent killed or relatives of those innocent killed would agree with you.

    Concentration camp? I'm not going to get up here and say Saddam wasn't a bad dude... but concentration camp? I think many Iraqis would disagree with you there, too.

    In fact, many are saying they miss the security they had under Saddam. Just like many of Afghanis are saying they miss the security they had under the Taliban.

    Does this mean they want either of those governments back? No, but it DOES mean that your Fox News view of the world is wrong: not everything the Taliban or Saddam did was bad.

    Ahh... poor stupid one afflicted with black and white thinking. It's ok, some of us will be successful because of our advanced intellectual capabilities.



    Man, you just cream when you hear Bush's name, don't you?

    I love your rosy glasses, dude. So the guy was a drunk, womanizing, cocaine abuser who ran companies into the ground and now he's a great guy. It seems only Republican presidents can escape the sins of their past in the eyes of a Republican... lame. Everyone else is a loser for life.

    If George W. Bush's last name wasn't Bush, he'd be a half-rate used car salesmen somewhere in Texas, and that's a fact.



    Jesus Christ. Those who lie, cheat an steal. Well, hombre, you just named nearly every member of the Republican party. It's only sad that our media isn't more interested in exposing their lying, cheating, and stealing. Maybe one day we'll get a media with some cojones again, and they'll expose Bush for the lying sack of dog crap that he is.

    Alas, Bush et al. make lots of money off our crap culture. Who'd want to change it?
    I find this interesting about the media not having the stones to go after Bush. CBS even went after Bush quite aggressively with a pretty lame accusation that in reality came back to bite them in the a$$. You don't think that if they had a better case, some better evidence, a real barn-burner of scandal...they wouldn't use it? I keep hearing this about the media, and I just don't buy most of it. Maybe they're not digging up and presenting "all the trash" on Bush because they're a little more discriminating on what they can prove as fact than some of these Bush-Bash sites that I've been reading as of late...didn't seem to stop CBS from trying, however. Allegations can be made by anyone and especially those with an agenda. Resonable proof is still a requirement in my book.

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    I find this interesting about the media not having the stones to go after Bush. CBS even went after Bush quite aggressively with a pretty lame accusation that in reality came back to bite them in the a$$. You don't think that if they had a better case, some better evidence, a real barn-burner of scandal...they wouldn't use it? I keep hearing this about the media, and I just don't buy most of it. Maybe they're not digging up and presenting "all the trash" on Bush because they're a little more discriminating on what they can prove as fact than some of these Bush-Bash sites that I've been reading as of late...didn't seem to stop CBS from trying, however. Allegations can be made by anyone and especially those with an agenda. Resonable proof is still a requirement in my book.
    Fine. It is clear the guy was AWOL (he himself is stone-walling the investigation - is that sort of obstructionism enough for you?) and blew coke. Have you looked as his answers in regards to these questions? Seriously? Objectively?

    They are BS answers. What is that coming from Mr. I'm-a-straight-shooting-kinda-guy? Maybe he's just straight-shooting when it comes to killing brown-colored people in the desert? Or maybe he's just straight-shooting when he's sure no one will be able to prove anything?

    But when it comes to being AWOL in Alabama and snorting coke (and banging hookers), he gives some pretty obtuse and ambiguous answers.

    Question: "Have you ever used illegal drugs Mr. Bush?"
    Answer: "I could have passed a drug test in 1989."

    Question: "Can you give us the name of an actual person who can attest as to your presence in the National Guard in Alabama"
    Answer: "I've already told you I was there."

    Yeah, straight-shooting.

    The guy's a liar, and the press hasn't done squat to prove it. I don't care about CBS and the mainstream press. They're lackys of Bush Co. They're not going to be the ones to uncover his misdeeds.

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    Well, I was getting ready to type a couple of words in Juliana's defense, but this thread has taken an odd turn!
    "Oh, people can come up with statistics to prove anything, Kent. 14% of people know that."-Homer J. Simpson

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITB

    The guy's a liar, and the press hasn't done squat to prove it. I don't care about CBS and the mainstream press. They're lackys of Bush Co. They're not going to be the ones to uncover his misdeeds.
    Instead of coming in here to this forum and throwing around wild accusations, you should muster all your journalistic abilities and investigative talents and set out to prove that you are right. Get your word out there on a national level.

    Face it, here in forum 88, you're basically preaching to the choir (with a few exceptions) but no one here really counts and there are even a few of us who don't really care.

    You're a smart guy, I bet you could do it before the end of his term in office.

    Go for it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuboy
    Instead of coming in here to this forum and throwing around wild accusations, you should muster all your journalistic abilities and investigative talents and set out to prove that you are right. Get your word out there on a national level.

    Face it, here in forum 88, you're basically preaching to the choir (with a few exceptions) but no one here really counts and there are even a few of us who don't really care.

    You're a smart guy, I bet you could do it before the end of his term in office.

    Go for it....
    Wild accusations? It's common knowledge he was AWOL and shoveling snow. You conservatives just don't care because he's a Republican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KITB
    Wild accusations? It's common knowledge he was AWOL and shoveling snow. You conservatives just don't care because he's a Republican.

    "Common knowledge"? With who? You? Comon, buddy, go national, go big time. Seems as though CBS tried to prove it but they were pretty weak. I know you can come out with something stronger than they could.

    I don't care if he's a Republican, hell, I'm a Democrat, I voted for McGovern in '72.

    Personally, I think you're letting your hatred of conservatives and people who think differently than you eat you up. You should chill out....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuboy
    "Common knowledge"? With who? You? Comon, buddy, go national, go big time. Seems as though CBS tried to prove it but they were pretty weak. I know you can come out with something stronger than they could.

    I don't care if he's a Republican, hell, I'm a Democrat, I voted for McGovern in '72.

    Personally, I think you're letting your hatred of conservatives and people who think differently than you eat you up. You should chill out....

    I don't know. NU, it seems clear that he repeatedly dodges the question. what does that
    tell you? seriously.

    and he really didn';t show up for adulthood till 89 or so.....the eighties
    were what they were. Rich, well connected.....Yeah....I know plenty
    of people like that.....they threw great parties.


    as for the writing, Kick, maybe Nu's throwing down some good advice. take your talk
    for a walk.....just yesterday an "alternative free weekly' writer won a pulitzer.....so there' a venue waiting for you that's arguebale that last bastion of heavy hitting
    investigative journalism....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TimE

    and he really didn';t show up for adulthood till 89 or so....
    Hell, I haven't shown up yet...so..what's the big deal about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuboy
    Hell, I haven't shown up yet...so..what's the big deal about that?
    well, your not really starting wars and running around
    espousing your righteousness either.... now are you?

    and even more damning......is that if you did....no one would care.

    I guess that's the main difference.

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    But what do they say?...

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    Hell, I haven't shown up yet...so..what's the big deal about that?
    The mind is willing, but the body...has turned into a piece of cr@p!...LOL! Yeah, I agree with you that in some aspects of life, you've got to keep a positive and young perspective. Going to Moab for a couple of weeks at the end of the month for the annual "religious" experience of riding, camping, and tequila therapy with the rest of the youngsters...and there won't be any computer terminals to bring "reality" into the mix.

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    The CBS thing was a distraction, the info was true, but got perfectly sidetracked because of ********. It wasnt even about if the story was true. Bush being AWOL and a drug user are supportable, just the source CBS used was a planted one that they rushed to use. He jumped ahead of 500 people or so to get in the Guard. Who's a veteran in the administration? How many deferral's amongst them? Cheney: "I had other priorities."
    Rumsfeld's got what, 7?!!! Privelege paid well for them while other guys gave all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patchito
    I think most of the living Shi'a ones would thank us for freeing them from the great big concentration camp that was life under Saddam.
    Odd you'd say that. I saw evidence on a documentary film (which makes it true right?) that the Iraqis were happy eating in nice restaurants and their cute little children were all having fun flying kites.....until those damn bombs went off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuboy
    I don't care if he's a Republican, hell, I'm a Democrat, I voted for McGovern in '72.

    72 was a while ago

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuboy
    I don't care if he's a Republican, hell, I'm a Democrat, I voted for McGovern in '72.

    I voted for Jesse Jackson in the ' 88 Wisconsin Primary ( all the other guys really sucked )
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