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    What Pivot is this?

    Liking the color but what is it, I'm not sure if this will be a new 27.5 or what looks good.
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    Not any of the current production frames. The Les has a internally routed cable hole close to that spot, but that's not the shape of the Les frame. Also, no water bottle cage bolt holes. Something new, maybe the Carbon FB 275!!!

    Where'd ya get the pic? Their new stuff should be revealed very soon...
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    Mosh1dh didn't you just post that photo on the 650B thread as well? Definitely wouldn't mind knowing where you snagged that photo. Looks Firebird swoopy to me. I'm guessing Dealer Camp in late July we'll see something. What that something will be...hazzaa!

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    I hate teaser shots like this....nice color too
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    I can neither confirm or deny it's awesomeness
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I can neither confirm or deny it's awesomeness
    You are a cruel, cruel man. ;^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I can neither confirm or deny it's awesomeness
    Ken and I were riding that just the other day! Look for our review in the Recumbent Tandem Unicycle thread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Ken and I were riding that just the other day! Look for our review in the Recumbent Tandem Unicycle thread!
    Hey, how come you didn't bring that out for me when I came down to fit the 429c on Tuesday?! Just when I start trying to become more of a XC weenie and less aggressive rock taming, you guys are going to bring out the ultimate FB that I'm going to have to ride! I think my stable will have a green, orange and blue bike in it by the end of next year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalDonk View Post
    Mosh1dh didn't you just post that photo on the 650B thread as well? Definitely wouldn't mind knowing where you snagged that photo. Looks Firebird swoopy to me. I'm guessing Dealer Camp in late July we'll see something. What that something will be...hazzaa!
    Snagged it from the SoCal Pivot rep, they're besties. =oD

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    What Pivot is this?

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    That curve into the head tube most closely resembles the FB and the lack of water bottle cage in the frame leads me to believe it it a bigger suspension bike. Maybe it's a completely new model that doesn't exist already!!
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    Can't wait to see what innovative design pivot has released this time. #2014 #bringtheheat
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    What Pivot is this?

    I don't see much reason not to have water bottle mounts if possible. One of the reasons I went 5.7c over other bikes was the fact it had the mount! I use a camelbak most of the time but on short rides and races I like the bottle better. I hope they don't drop bottle mounts on future bikes.

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    Me also like Bottles for different reasons...I do a lot of long rides, long trail rides and like to have my CB for H20 and a bottle for nutrition / electrolytes etc.

    Bike looks "All Mountain-ish" Shadow of pedal looks like a CB Mallet or some sort of platform... I vote 5.7 650B

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    Re: What Pivot is this?

    Quote Originally Posted by bvader View Post
    Me also like Bottles for different reasons...I do a lot of long rides, long trail rides and like to have my CB for H20 and a bottle for nutrition / electrolytes etc.

    Bike looks "All Mountain-ish" Shadow of pedal looks like a CB Mallet or some sort of platform... I vote 5.7 650B
    I'm sure if there is no bottle mount then there is no reason to have bottle mounts, pivot does there research and wouldn't exclude options for no good reason. #trust # yourconcernsareinvalid

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    ... and what Pivot frame has the cable routing in that position currently???

    ... not any of the Machs!!



    and if kenbentit is excited about it... then there is hope for a burning carbon bird! only the FB has that cable routing...
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    Probably a carbon Firebird as already mentioned since there are no water bottle mounts. Dashed my dreams for a 527

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    I hate to dash all the dreams of the little bike people, but it is a 27" carbon firebird.
    End of discussion.
    (but seriously, it is. I knew a guy, who knew a guy. And his sister told him that her boyfriend heard it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by btibben View Post
    I hate to dash all the dreams of the little bike people, but it is a carbon firebird.
    End of discussion.
    (but seriously, it is. I knew a guy, who knew a guy. And his sister told him that her boyfriend heard it)
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    26 or 27.5?
    It would have to be both like the Alu version "announced" at Sea Otter. Wouldn't it?

    The Firebird is the longest travel bike that begs to be Carbon since it is a "lighter" bike. Should be a good boost to the Firebird interest/sales. If someone bought the Alu 27.5 Firebird since Sea Otter they might be unhappy though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by btibben View Post
    It is my next bike.
    yeah, i'd better start saving now, but some of us have been begging for it...
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    The only thing the FB needs (not even 650b) is to be made of carbon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    The only thing the FB needs (not even 650b) is to be made of carbon.
    And a Pinion gearbox!

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    We might have ourselves the KOM of 27.5 bikes

    1) Carbon Firebird
    2) Bronson
    3) Carbine 275
    4) HDR 130

    But seriously I really liked the way 27.5 Firebird rode during the demo. The bigger wheels make it less sluggish on the flats... but it still feels very plush and capable on the climbs and jumps.
    So carbon Firebird definitely wins my vote

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    Hmm wonder if its a carbon phoenix? Would be cool to see Pivot enter the carbon DH scene...
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighTitan View Post
    Hmm wonder if its a carbon phoenix? Would be cool to see Pivot enter the carbon DH scene...
    This Although, I'm going to have to start saving/convincing the CFO that I need a new frame

    Probably a Firebird though... If it was a Phoenix, I'd expect to see some hint of the shock mounting down low...

    But if it was a Carbon Phoenix, then it would have my $$$ for sure!

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    It looks a lot like the Mach429C if you put them side by side. Horizontal shock layout I think.

    Mach 529C or Mach 627C

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    How about another sneak peek?

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    only the FB has the frontd cable routed like the one in the pic (except it is not currently internal)... the Phoenix and the machs have all cables along to top tube... unless that is new routing for a stealth dropper post thingy or something ...

    i'm hoping firebird!!!
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    I'll take mine with the Float X CTD... is the remote an option?

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    Mach 529C would be great !
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    Carbon Firebird would make most sense from the product development cycle. Design is tested and proven in Alu, so the carbon would be the next step into the highly competitive enduro segment. I believe it will put Pivot on top of that segment. I have my 5K to vote for that 

    5.7c with 650 wheels is another possibility but would be too short of a product cycle for Pivot. They just released the 5.7 carbon frame and have not recouped all the possible profit from the product maturity. It is still the best trail bike on the market and changing that will upset some of current customers and eat into company’s profit. (But again – what do I know - the recent trends are very short product cycles in all products (electronics, bikes, cars) – which makes me a bit perplexed. Companies come out with new stuff way too soon to enjoy the profits and make the customers eager to upgrade which messes with enjoyment of new purchase. You have buyer’s remorse nowadays the moment you buy the new bike).

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    To make it more confusing : here is German interview with Chris Cocalis in April (translation by Google, maybe someone with better German can post more accurate version)

    [Hausbesuch] - Pivot Cycles, Perfektionisten aus Arizona - MTB-News.de


    MTB News.de: Your model range will be gradually supplemented by models for each carbon aluminum model. Will there soon the Firebird in Carbon?

    Chris: not on this model for the time being. We're working on something for 2014 in this region. This in a few weeks then more.
    We are 26, 27.5 and 29 inches all to see in the future or will it need some sizes?

    It will be with depending on the tire manufacturers. If there will be good tires for dirt jumping, downhill or dual in 650B - who knows? The tire choice plays a big role. Swallow builds for example very high tires, WTB very flat. So you can on a bike with a high 27.5 tires have almost the same diameter as a 29 inch rim and a flat tire.

    Depending on the purpose can always make sense of a different wheel size. At Firebird, we have decided to 27.5 without a 26 inch version, simply because it is the better bike in this variant. The Mach 5.7 is designed for both. The bike is just a little more agile with the smaller wheels. The 27.5er run for it quiet. It can make one or the other sense, depending on your preference, so I do not think 26 inches will disappear.

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    New photo on Home Page? the guys getting air, looks to be a 29r by the size of wheels.
    Is this a new color for the 429C or a new bike??

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007 View Post
    New photo on Home Page? the guys getting air, looks to be a 29r by the size of wheels.
    Is this a new color for the 429C or a new bike??
    Nothing on the home page would ever show any proto-type bikes. That photo is of a Black Blue Mach 429 Carbon that you are talking about. As far as we know, this bike has never seen the camera lens without our permission, and signed death warrant...
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    Dan,

    I thought I caught you guys slippin! Can you give us a release date and more teaser shots ala SC/Ibis?

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    You can expect to see some stuff come out of this event
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    Saw this, probably intentionally blurry, photo on Facebook. Seems widish bars, dropper post for sure. They said it's from the 2014 catalog shoot.

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    Carbon Mach 5 replacement with 27.5 or 26 inch wheels. This product is long overdue for replacement having disappeared from the range in 2010. It would make for a nice all day marathon style bike and would suit those long term mountain bikers like me who won't give up on light 26 inch wheels or others who want 27.5.

    I like large volume 26 inch tyres and there are a lot more guys out there that still prefer this type of bike. From previous comments by Pivot it appears 26 inch wheels will always be offered. Anyway thats what I am hoping for as this is the type of bike that will replace my Mach 5. Otherwise I will have to wait until it breaks as it is still the best bike for me. Great peddling and fast steering with that bit more travel than a Mach 4.

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    Seems to me that a Mach 5 owner looking for the same bike with carbon and 26" wheels could be more than satisfied with the highly rated and critically acclaimed Mach 5.7 carbon. The Mach 5 had 5.5" (140mm) of travel and the 5.7 has 5.7" (145mm) of travel.

    Most of my riding buddies who happen to be bike demo fiends swear that the Mach 5.7c is the best in class. Why are you waiting for something from Pivot when they have what you need?

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    I agree 5.7 is the best trail bike in class. It replaced mach 5 and is better in every way. And it looks like Pivot is keeping that with 26" wheels which is great.
    But judging from that article they are responding to the new trends and coming up with 2 new bikes as 2014 models:

    Mach 5.7 with 27.5 wheels
    Carbon Firebird with 27.5 wheels

    Question is what they are announcing in 2 weeks at dealer camp? - I bet 5.7 with 27.5 and Firebird will come later - maybe January.

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    The 5.7 C rides differently, slack head angle and short rear end. Don't get me wrong I like the bike but the 5 does some things differently. I am waiting as I don't need to change out the 5 yet so will see if what I want comes along. My riding style is probably more cross country and the 5 has always been the best bike for what I do. My only real concern is if I break the frame as I read from another Mach 5 owner recently. Can't replace it and I wou
    D prefer a similar bike in carbon. Would also prefer to stick with Pivot.

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    Spend some time reading threads about new bikes from the DW-link three (Pivot, Ibis, and Turner) and you'll see the masses are clamoring for slack head angles (for stability), low bottom brackets, and short chain stays (for flickability). Unfortunately this "trend" may make finding a bike the rides close to the Mach 5 tough. Pivot has adopted this new line of geo with long top tubes and shorter stems. It sounds like you'll be riding your Mach 5 for a while. If it snaps, I think the closest thing might be an Ibis Mojo SL-R unless trends reverse and steeper headangles and longer chainstays come back. It happened with skinny ties so you never know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinno View Post
    Carbon Mach 5 replacement with 27.5 or 26 inch wheels. This product is long overdue for replacement having disappeared from the range in 2010. It would make for a nice all day marathon style bike and would suit those long term mountain bikers like me who won't give up on light 26 inch wheels or others who want 27.5.

    I like large volume 26 inch tyres and there are a lot more guys out there that still prefer this type of bike. From previous comments by Pivot it appears 26 inch wheels will always be offered. Anyway thats what I am hoping for as this is the type of bike that will replace my Mach 5. Otherwise I will have to wait until it breaks as it is still the best bike for me. Great peddling and fast steering with that bit more travel than a Mach 4.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinno View Post
    The 5.7 C rides differently, slack head angle and short rear end. Don't get me wrong I like the bike but the 5 does some things differently. I am waiting as I don't need to change out the 5 yet so will see if what I want comes along. My riding style is probably more cross country and the 5 has always been the best bike for what I do. My only real concern is if I break the frame as I read from another Mach 5 owner recently. Can't replace it and I wou
    D prefer a similar bike in carbon. Would also prefer to stick with Pivot.
    Haha Vinno, you know you loved my 5.7C on the weekend! I'm sure you'd be fine if you lengthened the stem a little Could even perhaps use some angle cups to steepen (WTF? I know!) the HA to suit a bit better

    I reckon this bike will either be a Carbon Firebird 650, or a 529... Only press camp will tell!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isildur View Post
    Haha Vinno, you know you loved my 5.7C on the weekend! I'm sure you'd be fine if you lengthened the stem a little Could even perhaps use some angle cups to steepen (WTF? I know!) the HA to suit a bit better

    I reckon this bike will either be a Carbon Firebird 650, or a 529... Only press camp will tell!
    Hey Gaby yes very much enjoyed it, really flicky and light in the rear and super stable in the front. Would need a day on it, hint hint at Knapsack as I ride there once or twice a week. As you said mention it to them and I know the Pivot guys read the forums so I have placed my thoughts.

    Being an old bloke I am not that fast with change any more so it may yet be that perfect bike.

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    PM'd ya Vinno

    Back on topic... Any more word on this bike yet? I know dealer camp is a few weeks away yet, but surely someone can let something more slip??

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    Pivot Cycles Announces the VAULT Cyclocross Frame

    "Pivot Cycles Announces the VAULT Cyclocross Frame"

    Does it even count as a mountain bike? Come on Pivot... in Canada? first?

    Where is our Carbon Firebird 27.5? Canadians can keep the cyclocross one

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    I suspect we are looking at a carbon 120mm 650B which will compete with the Santa Cruz Solo, dropping the Mach 4 from the lineup.

    I do like the cyclocross frame though, thanks for the link.
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    Tisser - where do you have this info from - or is it just a guess?

    from the German interview I found before

    [Hausbesuch] - Pivot Cycles, Perfektionisten aus Arizona - MTB-News.de

    it looks like
    5.7 with 27.5 wheels and Carbon Firebird later. Can't find anything else. Pivot is keeping it pretty close to chest..

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