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    Weagle Tweeting About Pivot Prototype

    Looks like Dave Weagle just received a new Pivot prototype to play with. He can't tell us anything about it...but it's good to know something is in the pipeline. Wonder how far it is in the development process.

    From DW himself:

    "This is always a good start to the day, a new prototype from @pivotcycles is on my doorstep!! Twitpic"

    A followup:
    "OK, the @pivotcycles prototype that I unboxed the other day, seriously one of the coolest looking bikes to ever pass through."

    And a third:
    "Hrm.. @MDupelle Something awesome that I can't talk about... But it rides amazingly and looks crazy good! Stoked on it!"

    What's it going to be? Let the prognostications begin.

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    I would be stoked if it is a 7.5" or 8" travel Split pivot frame. That is what I need and it has to allow for 2 rings as a possible for AM use as well
    "It looks flexy"

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    Let the speculation begin....boutique brand so the good news is it will be short...

    I did hear the phoenix was supposed to go on a diet but that's just my .02
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    I believe Chris has already stated in an interview that a 650B is in the future. That's my guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I would be stoked if it is a 7.5" or 8" travel Split pivot frame. That is what I need and it has to allow for 2 rings as a possible for AM use as well
    I can assure you one thing, it's not a split pivot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I can assure you one thing, it's not a split pivot!

    Please continue with your best guess. The winner gets a handshake and a pat on the back!
    Ok, just remove that part of my post and I'd be stoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    I can assure you one thing, it's not a split pivot!

    Please continue with your best guess. The winner gets a handshake and a pat on the back!
    Well, for Weagle to be stoked about it, makes me think AM/DH oriented, but folks change the focus of their riding all the time. He seemed super-stoked about the 429c too. Although I'd like to see a Mach4c, I think the 429c and the Les are meant as the current stab at the XC end of the spectrum. I could see a 650b variant of the 5.7c, but maybe with even a touch burlier focus, like a 6.2c. I think that might infringe too much on the 5.7c though, which is really good at what it does. So I'm going to go with a carbon Firebird. Ah better yet, I'll go with a 650b carbon firebird. Name might be different, but something that obviously fits that niche.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    Well, for Weagle to be stoked about it, makes me think AM/DH oriented, but folks change the focus of their riding all the time. He seemed super-stoked about the 429c too. Although I'd like to see a Mach4c, I think the 429c and the Les are meant as the current stab at the XC end of the spectrum. I could see a 650b variant of the 5.7c, but maybe with even a touch burlier focus, like a 6.2c. I think that might infringe too much on the 5.7c though, which is really good at what it does. So I'm going to go with a carbon Firebird. Ah better yet, I'll go with a 650b carbon firebird. Name might be different, but something that obviously fits that niche.
    Agreed. 5.7C is too new (will need another couple of years to pay for R&D, moulds, marketing, production, marketing, etc.) and covers a lot of segment. No need to cut into those sales Doubt that a carbon Firebird is coming, but agree that something like a 160 mm Carbon 27.5 for the AM/Enduro market that replaces the Firebird absolutely makes the most sense.

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    It will be interesting to see what they come up with for sure. Just when I thought my decision was made!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    Agreed. 5.7C is too new (will need another couple of years to pay for R&D, moulds, marketing, production, marketing, etc.) and covers a lot of segment. No need to cut into those sales Doubt that a carbon Firebird is coming, but agree that something like a 160 mm Carbon 27.5 for the AM/Enduro market that replaces the Firebird absolutely makes the most sense.
    650B market is hot right now so yes I think 650B something?

    You're probably right about the Mach 5.7 but I hope not. Perfect all around bike for so many things and I lust for one but only if it's 650B with 150mm or less travel. To many other good 650 choices now for me to go back to a 26" bike now matter how much I like the current 5.7.

    Seems unlikely to me to hit the gate running with carbon so I'll guess it's aluminum with 160mm travel. Now DW did say "one of the coolest looking bikes to ever pass through" so yeah maybe carbon.

    I really have no idea but dream it's a carbon Mach 527.5
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    Mach 565?

    5", 650b....

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    Well, there are Firebird frames on sale...2011 tho...

    so 160mm 650b F'bird or the Mach 6.650, if Weagle is stoked I am going with carbon over AL.

    BTW I rode the 5.7C at bootleg, its the perfect trail bike...BUT..the 32 fork is ridicules on such a capable frame...Hello CC and Pivot please make your next 650B trailbikes at least with a option for a 34 150/160mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by motoguru2007 View Post
    Well, there are Firebird frames on sale...2011 tho...

    so 160mm 650b F'bird or the Mach 6.650, if Weagle is stoked I am going with carbon over AL.

    BTW I rode the 5.7C at bootleg, its the perfect trail bike...BUT..the 32 fork is ridicules on such a capable frame...Hello CC and Pivot please make your next 650B trailbikes at least with a option for a 34 150/160mm.
    I have a Talas 34 160mm on my 5.7C and it is fantastic. That said, all AM/Enduro oriented 650b bikes that I'm aware of (Scott, Norco, Intense, Rocky Mountain) are getting the 34's. So, considering that Pivot is now cool with 34's on the 5.7's, I'd be pretty shocked if they produced a 650b AM rig with anything less than a 34 (Fox or XFusion).

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    I think it would be a HUGE mistake to get into the 27.5 market with an aluminum frame. The Pivot guys are smart enough to know the need to bring a carbon version to the table with Intense, RM and Scott's rigs out there. I've been wanting a 27.5 carbon version of the Firebird or M5.7, but just couldn't wait any longer... I'm sure when they get into the 27.5 market or make a carbon Firebird, it will be SWEEEEEEET.
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    I would like to see the Mach 4 reborn as a 27.5 carbon race machine for those who prefer the faster handling of a smaller wheel, c'mon it worked for Nino Schurter. I'm not saying that's what the prototype is, after all, the obvious choice is a full-sus carbon fat bike, but if they make something like a Mach 527c I'd race the hell out of it.
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    I too am holding out on a 650 purchase until I figure out which Carbon frame I want. Aluminum isn't even a consideration (for new purchase).

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    Mach 5.65?
    Mach 6.50?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eds924 View Post
    Mach 5.65?
    Mach 6.50?
    I think the market will go with 27.5. We already have 26" and 29", why throw the metric system in there? Just to confuse new buyers? Some companies might stick with 650b naming, but I know Maxxis and Scott will be using 27.5 as will others. I mean, we know they're the same, but I could see someone getting a 650b bike and looking for tires and being like "man, all they have is 26, 27.5 and 29'er tires, no 650b, this sucks..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    I think the market will go with 27.5. We already have 26" and 29", why throw the metric system in there? Just to confuse new buyers? Some companies might stick with 650b naming, but I know Maxxis and Scott will be using 27.5 as will others. I mean, we know they're the same, but I could see someone getting a 650b bike and looking for tires and being like "man, all they have is 26, 27.5 and 29'er tires, no 650b, this sucks..."
    No arguing here. But, the Mach 4, 5, and 5.7 are all named based on travel. Throw in the 429 and you've got travel + wheel size. So, depending on travel:

    Mach X.27?
    Mach X.275?

    I like the first of those better. But for whatever reason, I like saying "six-fifty." I think it would further distinguish from 429 or 5.7. Or maybe it's another mythological bird? Griffin? Roc / Rukh? Thunderbird?

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    Gonna shoot Weagle a text now.. I know there are some things in the oven with Pivot, should be reallll interesting!

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    I'm thinking a carbon 650 something is comming. Potentially a firebird replacement.

    Good to hear the Phoenix is going on a diet. (Fingers crossed)

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    As long as it's NOT a carbon Phoenix, I'll be happy

    You hear that Pivot? You're NOT allowed to make a carbon DH bike for at least another year or two, as my GF would kill me if I changed frames again!

    Anything else is gravy, as I'm super stoked on my 5.7C & Phoenix

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    what is a split pivot design?

    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay View Post
    I would be stoked if it is a 7.5" or 8" travel Split pivot frame. That is what I need and it has to allow for 2 rings as a possible for AM use as well
    what is a split pivot design?

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    I'm sure it was the new Pivot Les... lol!

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    split

    Quote Originally Posted by slindblom View Post
    what is a split pivot design?
    KInda like Trek's design there is a pivot on the rear axel. Not sure what the linkage looks like

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    Quote Originally Posted by slindblom View Post
    what is a split pivot design?
    Google is your friend grasshopper

    https://www.google.com/search?q=split+pivot&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-USfficial&client=firefox-a


    Now, any more info on what Pivot has in the oven????
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    Mach 427, carbon or alu, Pivot beats the big guys to the xc 650 mkt and I sell my flux.

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    Any more hints?

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    It has to be a 650B bike, I think that is a given. I would like to think it is a 650B 5.7c with maybe a slightly longer top tube and higher stack (somewhere in between the 429 and 5.7 geometry). I would like some more hints to salivate over or maybe a detail shot of the new bike where you really cant tell what it is but it would up the speculation.

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    All hail the 5.765027.5!

    It just rolls off the tongue.

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    Weagle just posted another teaser that was noooo help at all. A top down look at a bike box with the frame covered by the build. You can't see much other than a mix of SRAM and Shimano boxes. If it were all SRAM, I'd say this tweet was about a Turner but there's some Shimano in there.

    One thing does jump out at me. A 29" tube from Kenda. It looks deliberately placed. Maybe to throw people off the scent. If it is a 29er from Pivot wonder was it is. Maybe slacker 529? I dunno. Speculation continues!

    https://twitter.com/daveweagle/statu.../photo/1/large

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    I thought 29'ers were dead....

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    Fun and curious thread... I wouldnt even try to speculate on what is cooking in the engineering lab at Pivot.... but, My crystal ball tells me 650b Firebird w modified angles (less slack) and put on a diet... just seems to me a perfect meld of technical strengths and a nod to the niche that Pivot is creating w cutting edge hybridized AM/XC bikes... Hey Dan, cmon now.. up the ante and instead of a pat on teh back, if a MTBRer nails it, how about a 3 month stint as a beta tester

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    so you're speculating the 650B that Mr. C has been discussing in various venues would be based on an FB sort of DW and not the Mach sort of DW? i supposed it could be...

    if the FB were replaced by a lighter, less slack set up, that'd be kind of sad. i like the FB for it's ability to have a fox 180 for trips to a park, yet it pedal like a trail bike... Knolly, Transition, Yeti and others seem to be introducing or updating their 6+ bikes for similar applications. Kenbentit, i'm kinda hoping you won't let your mates let the FB go all XC on us
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    I ride my first 27,5 4 years ago now, and will not downgrade from my 29ers to this size, wich is so close to 26" (only 1cm at the radius).

    We can see from the pic a 29tube and a nobby nic, so this must be an AM 29er.

    I would buy a Pivot offering that would compete with Ibis Ripley or Turner Sultan, 140mm front at 68° and 130mm rear, especially if it was in carbon.
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    WIll it be revealed at sea otter?

    I can wait til then to find out. But speculation sure is fun..

    Perhaps its a 36" wheel snow bike that pedals itself.. OOOOOOOOOH

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    Got to ride the Pivot line for the first time thanks to the Pivot Demo truck being here in town today. Super impressed with the way these bikes climb on our rocky, technical trails! Rode the 429c, the Mach 4, and then the 5.7c. Been riding only 29ers for 3 years now, but surprisingly the 5.7 was my fav. My Girlfriend rode the 5.7c, the 4, then the 5.7c again. Can you guess what her new favorite bike is?

    At any rate now that I have tasted the sweet flavors of Pivot I feel like I can chime in on what I think the next Pivot will be and what I wish they'd make.

    So my GUESS is that DW is currently working on a Mach 529.
    Now what I WISH they'd make is a Mach 5 on 27.5" wheels and Fox would release a 27.5" 34mm fork with a travel setting at 130mm. Realistically though, I think when they do make a 650b it will be a Mach 6 (2014?). Just my two cents.

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    IMO, the Fox Talas 34 with 120/160 would be close enough, especially if you ran an Angleset....

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    Now what I WISH they'd make is a Mach 5 on 27.5" wheels and Fox would release a 27.5" 34mm fork with a travel setting at 130mm.
    +1000 on a Mach 5.275 or whatever they would call it.

    34mm X-Fusion Slant will also come in a short travel version with shorter stanchions (to save a bit of weight) with a max travel of 130mm. Internally adjustable to 120 and 100 I'm pretty sure. Pretty dam cool IMO.
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    I can't help but hope for a Mach 529 Carbon with slack angles and large tire clearance...

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    OK...
    so what about a kind of floating rocker FB-type bike with completely adjustable geometry (stays, rocker, etc.) for converting between 26" for park riding to 27.5" for trail riding?
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    They have a 429c, the 5.7 is selling well but is competing with a great group of 650b's. Lots of buzz about the Burner and many fork choices. The 27.5.7 makes sense with a better designation. DW is a busy guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by etanc View Post
    They have a 429c, the 5.7 is selling well but is competing with a great group of 650b's. Lots of buzz about the Burner and many fork choices. The 27.5.7 makes sense with a better designation. DW is a busy guy.
    You guys got it all wrong. Pivot will be first to market with a 6" travel 27.5 fatbike. They'll corner the market for extreme snow-riding!
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    Quote Originally Posted by etanc View Post
    They have a 429c, the 5.7 is selling well but is competing with a great group of 650b's. Lots of buzz about the Burner and many fork choices. The 27.5.7 makes sense with a better designation. DW is a busy guy.
    While I completely agree with you, the Santa Cruz Tallboy LTc is dominating that market segment. I'll bet Yeti gives us a Carbon SB95 soon too...

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    A carbon Mach 4? no

    A 4" 650b mach4.65 or something. Can it please have a slightly slacker HA than the mach4 and can you squeeze in shorter chainstays, please... and....yes... I'll have mine in carbon thanks

    that would be my perfect bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadget1 View Post
    A carbon Mach 4? no

    A 4" 650b mach4.65 or something. Can it please have a slightly slacker HA than the mach4 and can you squeeze in shorter chainstays, please... and....yes... I'll have mine in carbon thanks

    that would be my perfect bike.
    I see a bunch of guys asking for this type of bike in the 650B forum fairly often. Ultimately I think it will happen but it seems the hotter market right now is longish travel 29'ers and 140-160mm 650B bikes. I'm guessing the latter. Gotta stoke the fire while it's hot.
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    I'm still hoping for the carbon Firebird upgrade with Pinion gearbox. 26"/650b convertible.

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    When you hear that Fox is coming out with a F32 650, get ready for the Mach 427 carbon. I'll save a place in line for you.

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    Sure hope it's a 650b carbon updated FB. I'd buy it. A lot of riders out there ready to replace their current AM bikes that are insisting on 650b compatibility, CF, and an advanced suspension design ie not faux bar.
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