• 11-21-2012
    dielectric lab
    If Pivot offered a carbon 5 to 6 inch travel 27.5" wheeled bike, then I'd buy one this second!
  • 11-21-2012
    skidad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dielectric lab View Post
    If Pivot offered a carbon 5 to 6 inch travel 27.5" wheeled bike, then I'd buy one this second!

    Yeah, I probably would to but I have my doubts that's what it's gonna be :confused:

    Pivot's in a catch 22 situation with the Carbon 5.7 I think. Thing was just got released for 2012 and now do you hope it continues to sell while your competitors offer 27.5 bikes or do you also release a 27.5 model while the fire is hot and probably kill the sales of the 26" version? (with all the tooling costs for the carbon molds) While the 5.7 is super sweet I think plenty of potential buyers now (me included) are waiting for a 27.5 model and if it's not this new yet to be disclosed bike will shop elsewhere. I could easily see a carbon (650?) Firebird or longer travel AM 29'er as strong possibilities also but I'm hoping for a Mach 275.

    How about some more info from Pivot on our day of Thanksgiving and sharing :yesnod::thumbsup:
  • 11-21-2012
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dielectric lab View Post
    If Pivot offered a carbon 5 to 6 inch travel 27.5" wheeled bike, then I'd buy one this second!

    well, for me, it would also depend upon its geo, bb height, chainstay length, tire clearance, and a few other specs, but yeah, that would be my first Pivot purchase.
  • 11-21-2012
    RaptorAddict
    Actually, Chris specifically mentions the 529 in a recent interview:

    http://pivotcycles.com/timbh/chrismbainterview.pdf

    If I were a betting man, I'd say he's got a 529c in his hands... Which makes sense given the market enthusiasm for trail-bike-29rs.
  • 11-21-2012
    HighTitan
    Some of you guys are pretty close! Esp those guys wanting a 8" travel 4" wide fat tire snow bike.
  • 11-28-2012
    Blk02
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by cbussiere View Post
    Actually, Chris specifically mentions the 529 in a recent interview:

    http://pivotcycles.com/timbh/chrismbainterview.pdf

    If I were a betting man, I'd say he's got a 529c in his hands... Which makes sense given the market enthusiasm for trail-bike-29rs.

    After reading the article and seeing the 29er tire in the box picture I would say a 529 is right on the money. Probably 135mm
  • 11-29-2012
    DLd
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Blk02 View Post
    After reading the article and seeing the 29er tire in the box picture I would say a 529 is right on the money. Probably 135mm

    I'm personally not too enthused about a 529, but that's good news for the people who are. Great article though. Thanks for the link!
  • 11-29-2012
    skidad
    I really (really) like the 650B wheel size and hope for a Mach 275 but the possibility of a carbon Pivot 529 could be very very tempting indeed. Especially if it could be built up under 30lbs.

    Just demoed a banshee Prime 29'er and it's a very sweet bike and was able to clear a few rock sections I couldn't before on my "B" bikes. In it's 1 x 10 demo state (which killed me) it weighed 32.4lbs. I demoed the bike more to see how the KS Link worked (awesome BTW) but the 29'er effect was clearly evident.

    A carbon, DW Link, 5" travel 29'er with reasonably slack HA could be amazing. Hope we find out soon what's brewing!
  • 11-30-2012
    40er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Isildur View Post
    As long as it's NOT a carbon Phoenix, I'll be happy ;)

    You hear that Pivot? You're NOT allowed to make a carbon DH bike for at least another year or two, as my GF would kill me if I changed frames again!

    Anything else is gravy, as I'm super stoked on my 5.7C & Phoenix :p

    PIVOT - my wife has also put a ban on any mid-travel carbon 650b, at least until 2015. I love my Mach 5.7 C, which I bought in April and need at least 2 - 3 years to amortize the thing. If you come out with a Mach anywhere between 5" to 6" with 650b wheels, then I will cry for a few days, and then figure out how to get the money!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • 11-30-2012
    WilsonDoL
    If they come out with a 527c, why wouldn't you just sell your 5.7c (assuming you get a great price) and buy the 529c (thus transfer the depreciation to someone else) and use the funds on depreciation of your new 527c instead? :)
  • 11-30-2012
    StuLax18
    I just hope it's not Firebird related. I haven't even gotten mine yet!
  • 12-01-2012
    40er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by WilsonDoL View Post
    If they come out with a 527c, why wouldn't you just sell your 5.7c (assuming you get a great price) and buy the 529c (thus transfer the depreciation to someone else) and use the funds on depreciation of your new 527c instead? :)

    To Skidad point, if a Pivot Mach 527 (or whatever the name comes out to be) goes in the market, then the price of the Mach 5.7 - 26 will have just plumed. Just an assumption. In the end I do Mountain Biking as an incredible hobby, not looking at the finances that close, but when spending some money as I did on my 5.7 you would hope to have the cream of the crop for a few years that's all. In the end, its all good.:thumbsup:
  • 12-01-2012
    Rei_Ikari
    I frankly do not see a reason why the release of a 527 would cause a drop in price for 2 reasons:

    1) it makes no sense to release a 5.7" version of a 27.5 wheel, assuming the 650 or 27.5 made sense in the first place

    2nd) its a completely different wheelsize market, and if u wanted to attract new customers to the brand it makes sense to pull over a market which already has a strong and growing following (29"), then one that is just starting and may likely die out again soon (650b).....

    what seems more likely, would be a carbon update to existing bikes that are already tried and tested....to suddenly release a new carbon frame, on a new addition to the model line, on a new wheelsize...is one step many for a single release imo....

    Personally, im keeping my fingers crossed for a Carbon FB, or a Phoenix (unlikely i know lol)
  • 12-01-2012
    StuLax18
    Carbon FB makes sense. They need that option IMO. I would hope it's a $1k price add-on so I won't be annoyed.
  • 12-01-2012
    skidad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rei_Ikari View Post
    I frankly do not see a reason why the release of a 527 would cause a drop in price for 2 reasons:

    1) it makes no sense to release a 5.7" version of a 27.5 wheel, assuming the 650 or 27.5 made sense in the first place

    2nd) its a completely different wheelsize market, and if u wanted to attract new customers to the brand it makes sense to pull over a market which already has a strong and growing following (29"), then one that is just starting and may likely die out again soon (650b)....

    While your right on the 29'er (and it makes perfect sense for a 529 Pivot) your way off base on the 650B and the market for it. I'm gonna guess you've never even thrown a leg over a 650B bike or briefly at most or you would know what a nice improvement it can be over a 26" bike in almost every way. If Pivot had an identical bike in 26 and 27.5 I'd be shocked if anyone bought the 26" after a good test ride on both. The improvement is quite noticeable (hense Pivot's dilema with the Mach 5.7c being so new) and I for one will have no Mach 5.7 in my future unless it's 27.5 compatible.
  • 12-01-2012
    MTB Pilot
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    While your right on the 29'er (and it makes perfect sense for a 529 Pivot) your way off base on the 650B and the market for it. I'm gonna guess you've never even thrown a leg over a 650B bike or briefly at most or you would know what a nice improvement it can be over a 26" bike in almost every way. If Pivot had an identical bike in 26 and 27.5 I'd be shocked if anyone bought the 26" after a good test ride on both. The improvement is quite noticeable (hense Pivot's dilema with the Mach 5.7c being so new) and I for one will have no Mach 5.7 in my future unless it's 27.5 compatible.

    +1:thumbsup:
  • 12-01-2012
    schneidw
    529?
    In my situation, when I was shopping for a FS 29er, I had a chance to obtain a Sultan at cost directly from Turner, but in the end decided on the Pivot Mach 429. The Sultan was appealing because it was made in teh USA, great price, and great bike/reputation. I decided on teh Pivot because after test riding both bikes, at the time the Turner felt like it "sat tall" which I attributed to the 5 inch travel... The Pivot geometry was spot on, handled more nimble and climbed more responsively in my opinion at the time... That was early 2010 and I was new to the 29er ride. Fast forward to 2013 and I have already (2011) swapped out the 100mm fork for 120mm becauase I was using full travel and notice that I am using full travel in the rear, making me wonder if a 5 inch travel FS DW Link bike really is the way to go....
  • 12-02-2012
    40er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by skidad View Post
    While your right on the 29'er (and it makes perfect sense for a 529 Pivot) your way off base on the 650B and the market for it. I'm gonna guess you've never even thrown a leg over a 650B bike or briefly at most or you would know what a nice improvement it can be over a 26" bike in almost every way. If Pivot had an identical bike in 26 and 27.5 I'd be shocked if anyone bought the 26" after a good test ride on both. The improvement is quite noticeable (hense Pivot's dilema with the Mach 5.7c being so new) and I for one will have no Mach 5.7 in my future unless it's 27.5 compatible.

    I think this treat should jump to the 650b treat, but do want to make a point. I'm very traditional, and "short", so I ruled out the 29ers long time ago. I do acknowledge their advantages, but I'm still feel I'm faster and have much more fun on technical trails with a 26" bike than a 29er. The quick acceleration, jumps tight switchbacks etc. Unfortunately, and I say unfortunately because I'm desperately want to build the case for 26, the 27.5 don't loose any of the qualities of the 26, but does give you a slight edge on rolling resistance and traction. The 29er is a complete different bike and there is a solid market for it, so the 27.5 will not be competing with the 29er but with the 26. Right now commercial reasons will keep the 26 alive, but by seeing long travel bikes being converted to 27.5 and people actually loving it I think 27.5 is here to stay. When you see heavy hitters like Scott only offering 27.5 and 29 on their main trail bike line that must tell us something.
  • 12-04-2012
    crank1979
    No pressure, but I need to know what this new model is before I put some money down on a new bike tomorrow!:thumbsup:
  • 12-04-2012
    dan23
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by crank1979@optusnet.com.au View Post
    No pressure, but I need to know what this new model is before I put some money down on a new bike tomorrow!:thumbsup:

    :thumbsup:Just remember everyone, that the Mach 429 Carbon was in development and in prototype testing for nearly 3 years. It's possible that what he tweeted is about something we won't even see until 2015...

    But keep on guessing what we are doing, no one has nailed it, a few of you are in the right direction, many are so far off, you might as well be telling us to make a recumbent full suspension unicycle... :D
  • 12-04-2012
    BikerTex
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    But keep on guessing what we are doing, no one has nailed it, a few of you are in the right direction, many are so far off, you might as well be telling us to make a recumbent full suspension unicycle... :D

    As long as it's carbon fiber and runs a 4.8" wide 650b tire I'll buy one :D
  • 12-04-2012
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BikerTex View Post
    As long as it's carbon fiber and runs a 4.8" wide 650b tire I'll buy one :D

    Exactly. With a 26" convertible option, perhaps.
  • 12-04-2012
    40er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    :thumbsup:Just remember everyone, that the Mach 429 Carbon was in development and in prototype testing for nearly 3 years. It's possible that what he tweeted is about something we won't even see until 2015...

    But keep on guessing what we are doing, no one has nailed it, a few of you are in the right direction, many are so far off, you might as well be telling us to make a recumbent full suspension unicycle... :D

    works for me. I will not guess anymore and wait until 2015!!!!
  • 12-04-2012
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 40er View Post
    works for me. I will not guess anymore and wait until 2015!!!!

    29"ers will be declared dead by then, duh
  • 12-04-2012
    skidad
    It's a B9'er

    29 front with 650 rear, XX1 drivetrain with no provision for a FD
  • 12-04-2012
    rideit
    no WAY. IT IS. 29" rear, 26" front climbing bike, with just a single 36 cog on the rear, and a Schlumpf internal drivetrain. It will be for climbing ONLY.
    Schlumpf Innovations Gearing Systems - Speed Drive, Mountain Drive, High Speed Drive
  • 12-04-2012
    40er
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    29"ers will be declared dead by then, duh

    My opinion is the opposite. 29ers will be just fine, the 26" will be replaced by the 27.5.
  • 12-04-2012
    rideit
    Sarcasm...meter....you must recalibrate!
  • 12-05-2012
    crank1979
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    But keep on guessing what we are doing, no one has nailed it, a few of you are in the right direction, many are so far off, you might as well be telling us to make a recumbent full suspension unicycle... :D

    Are you saying that it is a carbon Firebird update with a Pinion gearbox and 26"/650b dropouts? :D
  • 12-05-2012
    StuLax18
    I guess I care less about what it is and more about when we would find out.
  • 12-06-2012
    Vinno
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 40er View Post
    My opinion is the opposite. 29ers will be just fine, the 26" will be replaced by the 27.5.

    As long as the majority of people range from 5 foot tall to 6 foot 5 there may be room for all sizes, the world is a big market.

    I will be buying a 5.7 C next year, I love my Mach 5 but it will be 5 years old and I still like 26" wheels. I would like a little more travel and slightly slacker angles this time around while still being able to race endurance races as well.
  • 12-08-2012
    20.100 FR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Blk02 View Post
    After reading the article and seeing the 29er tire in the box picture I would say a 529 is right on the money. Probably 135mm


    I think this make sense.
    All the more as i asked DW on twitter about a >130mm DWlink 29er being released someday, and he said that there is "a very good chance" !

    Now that Pivot have the 429c to put against Santa cruz best seller Tallboy, they could make a bike to compete against the LTc.

    Living in the French Alps, i would buy a 529 in carbon with 135mm rear as soon as it is released !
    Please make it as light as the LTc, and with the geometry of the Banshee Prime (especially in size L :-)

    If it takes too long to materialize, i will probably build an Ibis Ripley or a Yeti SB95 carbon before.
  • 01-02-2013
    crank1979
    Anything new?
  • 01-04-2013
    frgeoff
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rideit View Post
    no WAY. IT IS. 29" rear, 26" front climbing bike, with just a single 36 cog on the rear, and a Schlumpf internal drivetrain. It will be for climbing ONLY.]

    uphilling is the new downhilling :p
  • 01-04-2013
    iheartbicycles
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    In my situation, when I was shopping for a FS 29er, I had a chance to obtain a Sultan at cost directly from Turner, but in the end decided on the Pivot Mach 429. The Sultan was appealing because it was made in teh USA, great price, and great bike/reputation. I decided on teh Pivot because after test riding both bikes, at the time the Turner felt like it "sat tall" which I attributed to the 5 inch travel... The Pivot geometry was spot on, handled more nimble and climbed more responsively in my opinion at the time... That was early 2010 and I was new to the 29er ride. Fast forward to 2013 and I have already (2011) swapped out the 100mm fork for 120mm becauase I was using full travel and notice that I am using full travel in the rear, making me wonder if a 5 inch travel FS DW Link bike really is the way to go....

    where's my chile peppers???
  • 01-12-2013
    2BeerJoe
    650b, around 6" of travel, like the one Kevin was riding at Somo?
  • 01-12-2013
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 2BeerJoe View Post
    650b, around 6" of travel, like the one Kevin was riding at Somo?

    if i were Pivot and i had the capital, i would certainly be prototyping more than one platform... it seems that 29ers maybe be big today, but what if 650b is the next big thing? when the el guapo came out it did not seem like 6+ inch travel trail bikes that were meant to be used with 160mm + forks were all too common, but there there seems to be a lot now... didn't some MTB mag call the FB one of the most important bikes of the decade?:)

    anyway, it's gotta be hard to predict demand...
  • 01-12-2013
    edbraunbeck
    The timing seems right for a 650B model especially for the people who bought Mach 5's in 2008. They are ready to upgrade if they haven't already. While the 5.7C is awesome, I think most people are curious about the 650 especially with what has happened with the 29er popularity.
  • 01-12-2013
    gticlay
    I still have never ridden a 29er. Not because I'm a hater but just haven't had the opportunity yet. Unless you count racing cyclocross but I don't.
  • 01-12-2013
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    The timing seems right for a 650B model especially for the people who bought Mach 5's in 2008. They are ready to upgrade if they haven't already. While the 5.7C is awesome, I think most people are curious about the 650 especially with what has happened with the 29er popularity.

    ANY company not actively developing/introducing 650 right now is basically admitting defeat.
    Or retreating to 'niche' status.
  • 01-12-2013
    DLd
    650b will be the next big thing, if for no other reason than basic human psychology. Pretty much #3 in this article sums it up: The 11 Ways That Consumers Are Hopeless at Math - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic
    29'ers might be too big and slow. 26'ers don't have enough rollover. I'll pick 650b, right in the middle!
    In short: We are all Goldilocks.
  • 01-13-2013
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    650b will be the next big thing, if for no other reason than basic human psychology. Pretty much #3 in this article sums it up: The 11 Ways That Consumers Are Hopeless at Math - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic
    29'ers might be too big and slow. 26'ers don't have enough rollover. I'll pick 650b, right in the middle!
    In short: We are all Goldilocks.

    Works with hot sauces, and ski widths, too!
  • 01-13-2013
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DLd View Post
    650b will be the next big thing, if for no other reason than basic human psychology. Pretty much #3 in this article sums it up: The 11 Ways That Consumers Are Hopeless at Math - Derek Thompson - The Atlantic
    29'ers might be too big and slow. 26'ers don't have enough rollover. I'll pick 650b, right in the middle!
    In short: We are all Goldilocks.

    And boobs. Dont ever forget boobs.
  • 01-13-2013
    StuLax18
    I always ask for medium at Taco Bell and they give me mild!
  • 01-13-2013
    rideit
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StuLax18 View Post
    I always ask for medium at Taco Bell and they give me mild!

    That's why they have fire sauce in the little packets.
    Put a 180 fork and 2.4 tires on it, and call it 'caliente'!
  • 02-04-2013
    btibben
    Newest 'bird WILL be a carbon with a 95% chance of 650b-ness. I'm just adding my opinion to the multiples out there.
    Somebody should have done this in a poll though.

    But come to think of it, a pedallable 7.5-8" AM bike would be FUNominal.
  • 02-04-2013
    OriginalDonk
    Looks like Dave just posted another tweet February 1. No guarantees they're Pivot products as I imagine he's got Turner and Ibis steeds in the mix.

    "So much carbon, so much 29er, so much 65027.5(.25), so much DH, so much XC, so much XC!, some AM, SO MUCH TESTING TO DO!"

    Word is that Turner has a carbon 29er in the pipeline. I imagine Pivot and Ibis are both pushing 650B projects. Wonder where the DH is coming from and I know the AM following is huge. Sounds like he's involved in a few things.
  • 02-05-2013
    edbraunbeck
    I'm guessing we'll not see anything in the 650B variety until next year. They took two years to test the 429C which means they probably have prototypes at there now.

    If they did have something coming this year, they would seem to be leaking more information out. Maybe taking the Apple approach and leaving one behind by accident at the trailhead.

    Just my theory and I hope I'm wrong.
  • 02-05-2013
    StuLax18
    Hmm I don't think I noticed anything when Chris Cocalis showed up to the demo day in early January. I wouldn't exactly know what to look for either.