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    I have a few rides on my new Slaughter and so far so good. Fast rolling and hooks up well. Matched with a Butcher up front.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgman25 View Post
    I have a few rides on my new Slaughter and so far so good. Fast rolling and hooks up well. Matched with a Butcher up front.
    I can't buy Specialized products.

    I know someone who runs that tire and it doesn't look like a high volume tire like the Conti TK 2.4" so it wouldn't work even if I could use an Evil S product.
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    Hey Vik..I run the 2.4 Ardent on the rear w/ LB 38mm wide. EXO Dual compound. It works great and rolls fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    Hey Vik..I run the 2.4 Ardent on the rear w/ LB 38mm wide. EXO Dual compound. It works great and rolls fast.
    Thanks. Does it measure out to a true 2.4" tire?

    So few tires actually measure as wide as what's printed on their sidewalls I am sceptical of claimed tire sizes.
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    I'm very happy with my dhr 2 out back. On arc 27 rims. More volume than older Maxxis tired but no clue if it's a true 2.4. I like the tire much more than the HR2s I had prior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Thanks. Does it measure out to a true 2.4" tire?

    So few tires actually measure as wide as what's printed on their sidewalls I am sceptical of claimed tire sizes.
    On my rim it measures 61mm or 2.40157 inches. From side knob to side knob

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    On my rim it measures 61mm or 2.40157 inches. From side knob to side knob
    Thank you for measuring.
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    My buddy John ^^^ built this sweet coroplast framebox a few years ago for his FS Turner and has used it successfully bikepacking on several trips. It's held up like a champ and aside from some time costs pretty much nothing.



    He came over to my man cave today and built me a box my Mach 6. We went max width to see what that looks like [~4.5"] and I think I'll knock that back to 3.5" wide as it looks a little goofy despite clearing my cranks no problem.



    The box is just in "draft" shape at the moment. I need to unfold it and make it narrower then assemble it with tape and zipties and mount it to the bike with velcro.

    It will hold tools and others supplies that I don't need frequently, but that I want to have on the tour while keeping my pack as light as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryder1 View Post
    Have you ridden since the service? I'm wondering if the shock (with more volume spacers & less air) will be more supple in the initial stroke.
    Hey Ryder,

    I have a bunch of rides on familiar trails with the serviced shock. I can definitely ride with lower pressure [more supple initial stroke] and my travel o-ring ends up on the same place on the shock as it did previously with higher pressure.
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    So I replaced a fairly new Trail King after my Dec AZ trip. I hit a square edge fast/hard at a lowish pressure. Popped a spoke nipple, pinch flatted the tubeless tire and destroyed the casing - carbon rim didn't even notice! The hit was severe enough that I chalked that up to operator error and not the tire. We have lots of chunk in my corner of BC, but far fewer square edges. I should have paid more attention.

    A few months into the new TK and I've ruined the casing again without any major "incidents" to report. The tire still turns fine in the frame, but there is enough casing wobble that at high speeds I feel like I have drunk 6 beers and the back end of my Mach 6 is cracked!

    I tried to put up with it as the tire looks new otherwise, but I realized how stupid it was to compromise my enjoyment of an expensive bike to save $50 for a new tire. I had another spare TK on hand so I'm going to use it. freshly installed it runs straight and true. Hopefully it can stay that way the rest of the summer.

    I run the Mach 6 around 6 months of the year. If I have to replace a rear tire once every 6 months that's fine. I'd prefer not to be replacing tires every couple months.

    If I don't get a reasonable amount of use from the new TK I'll try an Adrent EXO in 2.4" width and see what happens.

    I should add I run low pressures on wide rims. I know that's not helping, but if I have to choose between running high pressures or trying a different tire than I'll try some different rubber first. If I can't get any reasonable [ie. non DH] tire to last 6 months at my preferred pressures I'll bit the bullet and run 'em harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Hey Ryder,

    I have a bunch of rides on familiar trails with the serviced shock. I can definitely ride with lower pressure [more supple initial stroke] and my travel o-ring ends up on the same place on the shock as it did previously with higher pressure.
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    Pivoteers - my GF has a 2014 Mach6 X01 build with a Fox Float 34 150mm fork. Is that fork convertible to 160mm of travel and if so what's involved?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Pivoteers - my GF has a 2014 Mach6 X01 build with a Fox Float 34 150mm fork. Is that fork convertible to 160mm of travel and if so what's involved?
    Got the answer. Conversion now requires a new air shaft and $150 [at least in Canada].
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    GF wanted more firepower up front to help her descending confidence. First step was 2.8" Rocket Ron. Fit the 2014 Float 34 with room for mudguard and mud! I figure she can get the 3.0" version in there, but we started with the smaller model as we had to mail order so we'd be stuck with the tire.

    Tire setup tubeless very easily and the beads snapped nice and tight on the stock DT Swiss rims.



    Tire is a liteskin version and felt lighter than the 2.4" TK it replaced. Sorry I goofed and didn't weigh it before install.

    We've got a road trip planned for the weekend so I should have some feedback next week.

    She may also bump up the fork travel to 160mm for the slacker front end.

    Update: GF loves the bigger rubber. It's a keeper.
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    I spent the weekend in Cumberland, BC riding with a group training for the BC Bike Race that's starting soon. Most of the people were on light/fast 29ers and the racers all have coaches and have been training seriously for months. I figured my Mach 6 would be undergunned for the long fireroad climbs up since I'm running big rubber and wide rims.

    As it turned out I was just fine on an AM bike amongst all the fit trail/marathon racers. The Mach 6 pedals so well that even on the non-techy stuff I kept up fine. Great seated pedalling position for long fire road grinds. Once things got techy and tight in the woods the short wheelbase and supple suspension kept me near the front. And of course once we hit the downs - especially the ones with big rock features and drops I was off the front as you would expect.

    Three years later the Mach 6 keeps surprising me with how well it fills the one-bike-to-rule-them-all niche in my garage. Awesome work Pivot.
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    As a head's up for lighter riders out there my GF was having issues with her 2014 Fox Float 3. She used so little pressure that the coil negative spring was sucking up ~10mm of travel leaving her with a 140mm fork.

    We talked to Fox and there is an alternate airshaft with self-balancing negative air spring that works better at low pressures since it adjusts and balances based on the main air chamber pressure.

    We are going to try it out and see what she thinks.
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    Sad to report my GF has left the Pivot Posse.

    She wanted to try a bigger frame and we found a cheap used Knolly Warden frame for sale that would accept most of her Mach 6 parts. The medium Warden is actually longer than my large Mach 6!!!

    After a few Warden rides she's decided the bigger frame suits her better than her Mach 6 so it's going up for sale.

    This isn't a Knolly is better than Pivot choice. It was simply a matter of what was available at a good price that had compatibility to her M6. I'm sure that if she had bought a medium M6 she'd still be riding it.

    One of our friends asked me if I was getting rid of my Mach 6. I gave them the "are you eating crazy pills???" look. It's such an amazing one-bike-to-rule-them-all for our local terrain. Not to mention I seem to get it dialled better and better each season. It's an efficient climber and I know it can handle anything coming down that I have the balls to try. Get rid of the Mach 6? No way!

    I do want to try a 29er, but I'll keep the Mach 6 as well. Having a 26er, 27.5 and 29er seems like a reasonable thing for a bike geek.
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    Hi Vick - how tall is your girlfriend?

    I have a buddy who's looking at a Mach 6 & he's 5'6". I'm steering him towards a medium with a shorter stem. Pivot's size chart tells him he's a small, but the reach seems relatively short.
    Going too short on a frame could lead to a pain in the neck or back on long rides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markiel View Post
    Hi Vick - how tall is your girlfriend?

    I have a buddy who's looking at a Mach 6 & he's 5'6". I'm steering him towards a medium with a shorter stem. Pivot's size chart tells him he's a small, but the reach seems relatively short.
    Going too short on a frame could lead to a pain in the neck or back on long rides...
    She is 5'6" normal female proportions. She had no comfort issues on the small frame. She wanted a longer wheelbase and a longer TT.
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    Got to ride the BCBR course in Powell River this past weekend as well as other local trails. Very tame terrain for the Mach 6, but it pedals so well I don't mind racing my friends on trail bikes all day.



    Had a really annoying creak on my first ride so when I got back to camp I grabbed a beer and started poking around the bike.

    - checked yoke/clevis = nope
    - checked saddle = nope
    - checked XX1 derailleur = creak~!

    So I took the derailleur off and lubricated the mating surfaces where the derailleur touches the hanger. Bike was silent the rest of the weekend.

    That was a new one for me. I'm glad I found it before I drank too much beer and had to give up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    Got to ride the BCBR course in Powell River this past weekend as well as other local trails. Very tame terrain for the Mach 6, but it pedals so well I don't mind racing my friends on trail bikes all day.



    Had a really annoying creak on my first ride so when I got back to camp I grabbed a beer and started poking around the bike.

    - checked yoke/clevis = nope
    - checked saddle = nope
    - checked XX1 derailleur = creak~!

    So I took the derailleur off and lubricated the mating surfaces where the derailleur touches the hanger. Bike was silent the rest of the weekend.

    That was a new one for me. I'm glad I found it before I drank too much beer and had to give up.
    Not a fan of SRAM for this reason. The one piece cassette also will creak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Not a fan of SRAM for this reason. The one piece cassette also will creak.
    To be fair this is my third season on this derailleur and cassette and I haven't had any noise issues besides this. Doesn't seem too bad.
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    Maybe due to terrain? Super dry and moon dusty down here in SoCal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Maybe due to terrain? Super dry and moon dusty down here in SoCal.
    For sure. Even though the summers here are dry and hot in our books...that's dry and hot by rainforest standard....which has nothing on desert riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    My buddy John ^^^ built this sweet coroplast framebox a few years ago for his FS Turner and has used it successfully bikepacking on several trips. It's held up like a champ and aside from some time costs pretty much nothing.



    He came over to my man cave today and built me a box my Mach 6. We went max width to see what that looks like [~4.5"] and I think I'll knock that back to 3.5" wide as it looks a little goofy despite clearing my cranks no problem.



    The box is just in "draft" shape at the moment. I need to unfold it and make it narrower then assemble it with tape and zipties and mount it to the bike with velcro.

    It will hold tools and others supplies that I don't need frequently, but that I want to have on the tour while keeping my pack as light as possible.
    Hey Vik,
    Not that your box isn't cool, but you might be interested in one of these:
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    Thanks my buddy Scott at Porcelain Rocket has offered to build me a custom frame bag. Thing is I made a "No Buying Resolution" for 2016 so I can't buy a bag. I can make one from materials I have though which is why I am making a box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    I spent the weekend in Cumberland, BC riding with a group training for the BC Bike Race that's starting soon. Most of the people were on light/fast 29ers and the racers all have coaches and have been training seriously for months. I figured my Mach 6 would be undergunned for the long fireroad climbs up since I'm running big rubber and wide rims.

    As it turned out I was just fine on an AM bike amongst all the fit trail/marathon racers. The Mach 6 pedals so well that even on the non-techy stuff I kept up fine. Great seated pedalling position for long fire road grinds. Once things got techy and tight in the woods the short wheelbase and supple suspension kept me near the front. And of course once we hit the downs - especially the ones with big rock features and drops I was off the front as you would expect.

    Three years later the Mach 6 keeps surprising me with how well it fills the one-bike-to-rule-them-all niche in my garage. Awesome work Pivot.

    Agree.

    Every time I ride his bike it continues to impress me.

    How a bike can be so confidence inspiring on the hairy stuff, yet not over-biked on trail rides is amazing.


    Got the rear shock PUSH'd early this season. Big mistake I didn't do it sooner. No joke, it made a noticeable difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Very time I ride his bike it continues to impress me.

    How a bike can be so confidence inspiring on the hairy stuff, yet not over-biked on trail rides is amazing.
    It's funny as I think about a new 29er part of me wants to buy something totally different than the Mach 6 [short travel 29er], but a big part of me wants the same bike with 29er wheels [140-150mm 29er].

    I am easily seduced by the power of the efficient AM one-bike-to-rule-them-all.
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    I rode my friends switchblade. Thoroughly impressed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    I rode my friends switchblade. Thoroughly impressed.
    I have no doubt the SB is a great bike. Whether it's the right bike for me and my local trails...that I do not know.

    I'm going to a Pivot demo in a couple weeks and should get to ride a med and a lrg SB on real trails in 29er mode so that will be nice.
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    I think you'll be impressed. Very capable. I ride it on very rocky terrain with short steep punchy climbs and strep descents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    I think you'll be impressed. Very capable. I ride it on very rocky terrain with short steep punchy climbs and strep descents.
    Again I have no doubt it's a capable bike. My concerns are:

    1) fit - specifically the steep STA which my body doesn't seem to like
    2) wheelbase - especially if I end up needing a large frame
    3) BB height - our local trails are not low BB friendly

    I'm not sold on the "modern geo" for a tight techy woods bike, but I'm prepared to give the SB or one of the other 29ers on my list a shot at the job.

    When I look at the way MTBs are evolving and then at the trails I ride most of the time they don't seem to be a great match. That said I'm not expecting bike companies to make a bike just for me and my buddies.
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    I was expecting pedal strikes (that I never got) as our trails are super rocky and I like a maneuverable bike too given that our trails are tight and twisty too. The back end is short enough where I was fine. Anyway, let us know how the demo goes.

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    So I got to try a 2.4" Ardent on the back of my Mach 6 this weekend and hated it. It's just so puny even on my 35mm rim.

    The 2.5" DHF looks to be around the same size as my 2.4" Trail King. Although that may be more tire than I want to push around. I may get one to test out and see.

    Any suggestions for high volume 27.5 tires that would fit in the rear of a 2014/15 Mach 6?

    If I could stop damaging the casings of the TKs I would look no further as I love those tires in every other respect, but I am killing them in less than 2 months, which is not good at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    I was expecting pedal strikes (that I never got) as our trails are super rocky and I like a maneuverable bike too given that our trails are tight and twisty too. The back end is short enough where I was fine. Anyway, let us know how the demo goes.


    You are right. I had no pedal strikes on the SB.

    However, I didn't find the SB particularly maneuverable nor playful. It wasn't awful, but the Mach 6 was so much better it's hard to want to spend the $$.

    I posted my review in the big SB thread.
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    Got my bike loaded for a 4 day bike camping trip. My buddy and I are going to ride 2 days of the BC Bike Race course [Sunshine Coast segments] and camp along the way. When we get to the end we will turn around and ride 1 or 2 of the day's back towards the ferry depending on time/weather and energy levels. If we need to we can ride the road back down.



    The goal is to keep things light and tight so we can shred the course as close to normal as possible.



    I wasn't supposed to post this before InterBike, but I am terrible at keeping a secret. Here is the 2017 Pivot Mach 6 bikepacking shelter. Available at your Pivot dealer in January.



    We expect some rain so we had to add some rain gear and make sure we had a solid shelter setup.
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    Got back from our Sunshine Coast bikepacking trip. I'll post a trip report over in the bikepacking section, but wanted to jot down a few notes on how the Mach 6 enduropacking setup worked.

    We rode ~120kms of techy BC singletrack 70% /fireroad 30% over 2 days with camping gear. Really 1.5 days as we had to drive up Vancouver Island and then take two ferries to our start point so bikes started rolling at the crack of noon on day 1.

    Lots of roots, rocks and wooden bridges.



    This is by far my lightest most compact bike camping setup. It was great to be able to climb and descend close to normally. Launching off features and blasting through roots/rocks it was easy to forget we were not on a day ride. We were hitting the wooden features on the trails and hooting and hollering our way north.

    The Mach 6 is a great techy trail bike, but I wasn't sure how it would fair on fireroad slogs or the 50km highway ride back towards the start. As it turns out a flip of the CTD switch and I really didn't think twice about the fact I was on an enduro machine.

    The water bottle mount under the DT carried all my tools and repair stuff less a tube a taped to the ST. It was a 100% solid and carrying that weight down low had a minimal effect on how the bike handled. I carried two water bottles in bar mounted "feed" bags. They worked pretty well despite some weight up high. The therma rest pad on the bars stayed in place and worked well. I didn't rub the seat bag once despite dropping my saddle frequently to bomb downhills. I did try not to drop it all the way down, but without looking I just had to guess how far the dropper was lowered.

    My pack wasn't too heavy and most of the time I didn't notice it, but towards the end of the days I could feel some back fatigue. That's one area I would like to improve things. Mainly by getting a couple more pounds off my back and onto the bike somewhere.

    Through lots of challenging terrain and long days there were no mechanicals or gear failures to contend with. What a great bike.



    This trip has me pretty excited to plan out some future enduropacking adventures. Being able to tour on the Mach 6 means I can head out for some bike camping on a road trip without bringing my usual bikepacking rig [Surly Krampus] along.

    It's also nice because all my friends have enduro rigs and the only bit of bling gear you need to make this kind of setup work is a light sleeping bag. So that makes it easier to get more friends out bikepacking.

    This just goes to show that you can go camping with whatever bike you own. No need for a specialized machine.

    BTW - I didn't get my frame box finished as work got next level crazy recently. So there was a lot of wasted frame space where I could have carried gear. I'm going to make sure I use it better next trip.
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    Here is my Mach 6 enduropacking trip report ---> BC Sunshine Coast Tour...

    Thanks to Pivot for making a really versatile bike.

    • Bikepark?...no problem.
    • Enduro race?...no problem.
    • Trail ride?...no problem.
    • Bikepacking?...no problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post

    Three years later the Mach 6 keeps surprising me with how well it fills the one-bike-to-rule-them-all niche in my garage. Awesome work Pivot.
    I couldn't agree more with this statement. Even though I have a 140mm travel bike that I ride more often here in SoCal, if I was forced to choose and ride only one of my bikes, it would be the Mach 6 for sure. Considering how well it descends, it climbs fantastic.
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    As much as I love my Mach 6 I do have a hankering for a new bike. I figure 4 or 5 years on a bike is reasonable before you get something new. Not that I would sell the M6 I'd just ride it less.

    Thing is new bikes are crazy expensive...I talked to a LBS about a SC frame and they want over $4K Canada Bucks for one...ouch! So if I am going to buy a new ride I have to really dig it. Over in the SB thread I had some folks suggest I should just buy a SB despite a fairly "meh" demo and I'd get used to it or like it more eventually.

    I get where that's coming from, but damn spending $7K - $10K on a bike you "might" love at some point...that's hard to swallow.

    So my plan is to keep riding the Mach 6 and smiling. I'll demo bikes when they come my way and wait for something to really rock my world or at the very least inspire me by making me feel it has the potential to rock my world.

    I'm only looking at 29ers because I have a sweet 26er and a sweet 275er so there doesn't seem much point dropping big $$ to have another small wheel bike.

    Bikes I hope to demo:

    - Evil Following [had a short ride and liked it, but need a real dirt test]
    - Knolly 29er [when it comes out in 2017]
    - Switchblade 27+ [I figure it's worth trying the SB again]
    - SC Tallboy 3
    - SC Hightower [the specs don't blow me away, but I'm willing to be proven wrong]
    - Transition Smuggler [if it comes out in carbon and fixes a couple things like tire clearance and CS length]
    - Lenz Behemoth [sounds like that will require a trip to CO]
    - Canfield Riot [if they come out in carbon at less than 8lbs for a frame/shock]

    We'll see what happens. I'd rather wait an extra year or two for a new bike and get something I am super stoked about vs. buying something I don't love just to get some retail therapy.

    With two awesome bikes in the garage I can afford to hold out for the right 29er.
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    Great to see the Mach 6 still getting the love.

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    I agree with pretty much the whole review.
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    Yeah me too. The muppets in the comments section though have probably never ridden one. Our trails are very tight, twisty and Rocky and require slow speed tech moves. A Nomad or Firebird would just be too much bike to manhandle. I'm glad the Mach 6 and HD3's are out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Yeah me too. The muppets in the comments section though have probably never ridden one. Our trails are very tight, twisty and Rocky and require slow speed tech moves. A Nomad or Firebird would just be too much bike to manhandle. I'm glad the Mach 6 and HD3's are out there.
    Agreed....same environment here in AZ.

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    Funny - my issue with the M6 is slow speed tech. Wheels get hung up due to smaller size and rear suspension can sink too far into travel causing pedal strikes. Prefer the 429 trail for that stuff. Enjoy M6 for more bombalicious riding

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Yeah me too. The muppets in the comments section though have probably never ridden one. Our trails are very tight, twisty and Rocky and require slow speed tech moves. A Nomad or Firebird would just be too much bike to manhandle. I'm glad the Mach 6 and HD3's are out there.
    Indeed. There are so many different types of trails that get ridden by so many different types of riders. I have a laugh when people hype up one bike option [geo, tire, suspension, etc..] as the best for everything. Of course it's always the brightest shiniest option that's simultaneously on Pinkbike, Vital MTB, MTBR as features for like 5 mins, before the next new thing rolls out and the bike/product that everyone was hot for yesterday is old news.

    If you look up this page you'll see my buddy's Turner that's totally obsolete by every measure you can think of. I love riding with him because on top of being a nice/fun guy he flat out rips on that thing and it's a great reminder not to get hung up on the bling/hype marketing machine spew that's telling you that only something less than 5mins old is worth your time.

    Heck I'm juts getting my SC Nomad MK 2 tuned up for it's 9th year of riding as winter is coming our way in the PNWet. If you go to the SC forum on MTBR and post something about that generation of Nomad you get crickets like "how is it even possible for a MTB that old to still work???" I plan to keep riding it for a long time yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Funny - my issue with the M6 is slow speed tech. Wheels get hung up due to smaller size and rear suspension can sink too far into travel causing pedal strikes. Prefer the 429 trail for that stuff. Enjoy M6 for more bombalicious riding
    If your suspension is acting that way you could be running too low pressure and/or not have enough mid-stroke support. I tuned my shock to ramp up fast so I have a supple top end and then lots of support in the mid-stroke. My shock doesn't collapse in slow speed tech between the ramping airspring and DW Link chain tension.
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    So I've finally found a promising candidate to replace my long standing favourite tire [Conti Trail King 2.4"]. I'm killing the rear TK casing way too soon so I need to find a new tire that's high volume, low rolling resistance and fits in the rear of my M6. I want to get a 6 month summer riding season out of my rear tire.

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    My buddy showed up to yesterday's ride on these Vittoria Morsa tires in 2.3" width and I was stoked to see it was about the same size as my TK. I'm going to order up a set in January and see how I like them next spring when I bust my M6 out after the PNWet winter has passed.

    I'll keep the M6 on TKs through October's Moab trip [I'll bring a spare TK just in case]. Then I am on my Nomad through the winter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post


    So I've finally found a promising candidate to replace my long standing favourite tire [Conti Trail King 2.4"]. I'm killing the rear TK casing way too soon so I need to find a new tire that's high volume, low rolling resistance and fits in the rear of my M6. I want to get a 6 month summer riding season out of my rear tire.

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    My buddy showed up to yesterday's ride on these Vittoria Morsa tires in 2.3" width and I was stoked to see it was about the same size as my TK. I'm going to order up a set in January and see how I like them next spring when I bust my M6 out after the PNWet winter has passed.

    I'll keep the M6 on TKs through October's Moab trip [I'll bring a spare TK just in case]. Then I am on my Nomad through the winter.
    What dates will you be in Moab?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiSS'er View Post
    What dates will you be in Moab?
    2 - 9 Oct for sure...possibly as long as 2 - 14 Oct. Some people want to head to Frutia after a spell in Moab. I may want to just stay in Moab. Not sure yet.

    Are you going to be around during that time?
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    E13 TRS. I'm done with Maxxis. Side knobs on HRIIs and DHRIIs and DHFs are lasting about 10 rides. Sucks. Older Maxxis tires / treads were more durable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    E13 TRS. I'm done with Maxxis. Side knobs on HRIIs and DHRIIs and DHFs are lasting about 10 rides. Sucks. Older Maxxis tires / treads were more durable.
    Do you have any real width measurements for those tires?

    Bummer about the torn knobs. I thought that was a Schwalbe Hans Damf specific problem.
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    I don't. But they're bigger than the 2.35 Maxxis offerings for sure. I'm not the only one that's had the same issues with the Maxxis tires unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    I don't. But they're bigger than the 2.35 Maxxis offerings for sure. I'm not the only one that's had the same issues with the Maxxis tires unfortunately.
    Now I don't feel bad I didn't like any of the Maxxis tires I tried. Jut sold the Ardent and HRII I had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    E13 TRS. I'm done with Maxxis. Side knobs on HRIIs and DHRIIs and DHFs are lasting about 10 rides. Sucks. Older Maxxis tires / treads were more durable.
    Were those the 3C compound or Dual ply...? The Dual ply are more durable and the 3C just plain suck!!!

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    I've had my Mach6 for about 6 months now and I just recently bought myself a Saris Bones trunk rack. Need some ideas on how to get my bike on this damn think securely... Anybody out there using a trunk bike rack with their Mach6? I may have to get a different rack? Sorry if I hijacked the thread but wanted to reach the most Mach6 owners I could for ideas. Was thinking of using one of those frame adapter bars but that pulls up on my dropper and I don't think that's a good thing.
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    I assume you have a sedan. You can get after market hitches for about every sedan out there. I'd do that and get a platform rack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    Were those the 3C compound or Dual ply...? The Dual ply are more durable and the 3C just plain suck!!!
    3c.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppie View Post
    I've had my Mach6 for about 6 months now and I just recently bought myself a Saris Bones trunk rack. Need some ideas on how to get my bike on this damn think securely... Anybody out there using a trunk bike rack with their Mach6? I may have to get a different rack? Sorry if I hijacked the thread but wanted to reach the most Mach6 owners I could for ideas. Was thinking of using one of those frame adapter bars but that pulls up on my dropper and I don't think that's a good thing.
    The bones is nice because the arms are adjustable and you can position them to work with almost every frame. The downside is that this is only ever a temporary solution and using it frequently or over a long period of time will eventually damage your car, the panels/paint/plastic, the straps wear too so be sure to check them occasionally. If you don't care about the car and it's old, it may be fine, but it also locks you out of the trunk, unlike modern hitch racks. The bones is probably the best of these types. The saris "platform" trunk rack is just way beyond a good idea IMO, due to how much pressure it puts on the panels, but other trunk racks are much less secure than the bones. I had one for a few years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    I assume you have a sedan. You can get after market hitches for about every sedan out there. I'd do that and get a platform rack.


    This ^^^. If you can't or won't do a hitch rack with trays a roof rack is the next best alternative.

    If you have to carry the bike on that trunk rack and need to use the add on cross bar just make sure your dropper is fully extended and you are not damaging the dropper shaft as that will compromise your seal after a while.
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    Just measured the E13 TRS+ on the front of my Mach 6 with the DT Swiss XMC1200 rims that came on it (23mm inside width, if I remember correctly). They measured 2 3/8" at the widest knobs, and just 1/16" narrower at the casing. I've been digging the tires. A couple of good Tahoe granite rides (in addition to lots of time on local hard pack), and the tires show no signs of sidewalk or knob wear.

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    Correct, I have a sedan and since it's leased I'd rather not invest in a hitch. I already have a nice 4-bike hitch rack for my SUV, but alot of times my wife is out and about with the kids and needs to SUV, which is why I got the trunk rack. What I like about the Saris is that it seems to spread the load pretty well between the bottom arms and top straps. Also, I only use it for my bike so I'm keeping the weight load to a single bike (approx 30 lbs). I guess I'll get a frame bar and wrap the seat post area with a small towel and keep the post fully extended for transit. I'll try to post an update in 1-2 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppie View Post
    Correct, I have a sedan and since it's leased I'd rather not invest in a hitch. I already have a nice 4-bike hitch rack for my SUV, but alot of times my wife is out and about with the kids and needs to SUV, which is why I got the trunk rack. What I like about the Saris is that it seems to spread the load pretty well between the bottom arms and top straps. Also, I only use it for my bike so I'm keeping the weight load to a single bike (approx 30 lbs). I guess I'll get a frame bar and wrap the seat post area with a small towel and keep the post fully extended for transit. I'll try to post an update in 1-2 months.

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    Since you are leasing you may want to consider the potential damage to the car with a trunk rack.

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    I put an aftermarket hitch on a lease. Cost $330. Less than 1 payment and I got it approved first by Volvo.

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    I just researched and apparently they don't make a hitch rack for my car (from eTrailer.com).
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    Pinch flatted the rear Conti Trail King on the weekend working some rock slabs. Not really the tire's fault as I run low pressures. However, inspecting both tires I realized the side knobs were worn enough that I needed to replace them. I've noticed my cornering hasn't been as solid lately.

    I ordered a set of Vittioria Morsa 2.3" tires for the Mach 6.

    My buddy uses them in the 29er size and the 2.3" Morsa looks to be the same actual width as my 2.4" TK. I like a big tire so I'm going to give them a shot.

    The other contender was the 2.5" DHF. Interestingly a Maxxis 2.5" tire is smaller than the 2.3" Vittoria and the 2.4" Continental. If I rode my M6 through the winter I would have gone with the more aggressive knobs on the DHF. However, after my Moab trip the M6 will get torn down for service and then hung up until March while I ride my Nomad through our PNWet slop.

    If I head to the desert for Christmas I'll grab the M6 otherwise it will take a breather for a few months.

    I pedal up all my rides so a fast climber and easy rolling tire is as important to me as cornering and braking going down. I tried my buddy's DHF equipped bike and I wasn't convinced I'd be happy with how it rolled unless it was winter where our rides are far more traction challenged and usually shorter. Loved that tire for traction though.

    The Morsa's shallow center knobs will roll well. I hope they provide enough traction in our summer dry dusty conditions. There is only one way to find out for sure!

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    Let us know what u think of the morsa and then get a pair of E13 TRS'

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Let us know what u think of the morsa and then get a pair of E13 TRS'
    Will do. They are on my list to try. If I don't kill a tire early it takes me a while to wear them out. Our terrain is gentle to tires.....lots of loam, dirt, smooth rocks and roots.

    I'd like to get through most or all of next summer on the Morsas.

    If I get a 29er in 2017 I'll start it off with the E13s.
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    I put my head into a low tree limb on Sunday. I haven't hit my head hard in a long time. I came out of it mostly okay....except my neck feels a bit tweaked. I'm going to take some time off the trails to make sure I am all ready for Moab.

    Anyways I decide to work on the M6. The chain is toast, but looking at the XX1 cassette after 3 seasons [more than 18 months of riding] I think it's too worn to play well with a fresh chain. So I'll keep running the old chain through Moab and through a Christmas road trip [if that happens]. Then I'll put on a new cassette and chain before next spring.

    I'm thinking of trying the new E13 cassette. It's cheaper than XX1 and can be replaced a section at a time. I'm in the 4 low gears 75% of the time locally so being bale to replace that end of the cassette sounds good.

    Anyone used one and have some feedback before I spend the $$?

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    My neighbour broke his neck that way while riding solo and the rode out. Dr told him that it was a stupid thing to do and he was lucky. Heal up quick. There are a few guys in the the drivetrain forum that use the E13.
    I got some bad ideas in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Travis Bickle View Post
    My neighbour broke his neck that way while riding solo and the rode out. Dr told him that it was a stupid thing to do and he was lucky. Heal up quick. There are a few guys in the the drivetrain forum that use the E13.
    Thanks. I was lucky. I don't think it's serious. Just a bit stiff. It could have been far worse.
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    Quick question for you Mach 6 owners. I want to get a new rear shock. The CTD dial on my Fox Float is screwed up and since it's less than a year old, I'm going to send it to Fox and have them repair it but we all know that's gonna take about 4-6 weeks to turnover and I don't have a spare bike or shock laying around. I figured I might as well upgrade my shock and then just sell the one that gets repaired.

    Any recommendations? Since I can't use a water bottle, I'd like to upgrade to a shock with a piggyback reservoir/canister but truth be told, I don't ride anything that demands it but it's nice to have (my Pivot didn't come with the Fox Float X). Or should I save some money and not get a piggyback?

    Also, what dimensions does it to be? (eye to eye, stroke, etc)?

    I don't really care if Fox Float X or RockShox Monarch Plus as I'll just go for the one that costs less since the performance is pretty much neck and neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guppie View Post
    Quick question for you Mach 6 owners. I want to get a new rear shock. The CTD dial on my Fox Float is screwed up and since it's less than a year old, I'm going to send it to Fox and have them repair it but we all know that's gonna take about 4-6 weeks to turnover and I don't have a spare bike or shock laying around. I figured I might as well upgrade my shock and then just sell the one that gets repaired.

    Any recommendations? Since I can't use a water bottle, I'd like to upgrade to a shock with a piggyback reservoir/canister but truth be told, I don't ride anything that demands it but it's nice to have (my Pivot didn't come with the Fox Float X). Or should I save some money and not get a piggyback?

    Also, what dimensions does it to be? (eye to eye, stroke, etc)?

    I don't really care if Fox Float X or RockShox Monarch Plus as I'll just go for the one that costs less since the performance is pretty much neck and neck.
    I've got no complaints with the stock Float X once I added some volume reducing spacers to make it ramp up more. It was too linear for my 190lbs + gear stock.

    I was tempted to get my shock tuned by Avy, but it works well enough I decided not to bother until it needs the internals serviced. I haven't tried any other shocks on my M6 so no other points of reference.

    From the Pivot Mach 6 product page:

    What is the eye-to-eye shock length and stroke length on the Mach 6 Carbon?

    The eye-to-eye shock length is 8.5 inches and the stroke length is 2.5 inches.

    If I want to run a different brand of shock on my Mach 6 Carbon, what else do I need to know?

    The Mach 6 Carbon shock uses M8 through bolt hardware on the front and no hardware on the rear. Shock spacer dimensions are 22mm wide front. On the rear of the shock, the spacer hardware and bushing will need to be removed as the strut mounts directly to the shock body. Some shocks may have a different spec then the Fox shock (that the Mach 6 Carbon is designed for) and may not fit properly. Also, as we cannot test every shock on the market, riders assume some risk if they choose a shock that does not fit properly or is not tuned correctly for the bike. The frame is designed around a large volume air can. With the Fox shock, we run a +.4 or +.6 cubic inch volume spacer in the can to reduce the volume back down. We run medium compression valving and medium rebound damping.
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    Got the 2.3" Vittoria Morsas mounted just a few minutes ago. The beads are tight on my LB 35 rims. These puppies won't be burping! They are not quite as wide as my TK 2.4" tires, but I don't think I could get a 2.5" Morsa into the rear of my M6. For reference a 2.3" Morsa is about the same width as a 2.5" DHF.



    The casing seems supple and minimal centre tread should roll fast.

    My bike is all ready for Moab. I'm packing my **** this weekend as I try and crush as much work from both jobs as I can to make my time away less painful!
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    Thanks that pretty much sums it all up. With that being said, can you point out a Float X on ebay for me that has the exact specs the stock Float X has? Without too much tinkering (because I have a tendency to screw things up) I'd like to be able to do an easy swap and be on the trail ASAP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by guppie View Post
    With that being said, can you point out a Float X on ebay for me that has the exact specs the stock Float X has?
    No sorry. I'm not that motivated to search EBay for you.
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    Anybody know if I can swap my Fox Float for this RockShox Monarch Plus Debeonair? Eye to eye and stroke are same (8.5 x 2.5). Installation-wise, I believe the rear will mount fine, I'm just not sure about the front. Do I need to install or remove anything?

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    My gear is packed for Moab. Just need to load the car tonight after work then catch the first ferry Friday. I've been working essentially 2 full time jobs this last couple months and 1.5 jobs for the couple months before that so I am fully burnt out and ready to chill. I'm going on a strict taco and beer diet on this trip plus 1 - 2 rides per day.

    Some friends went down a week early and manage to ride off a cliff breaking both elbows! Yikes. So I am am going make sure I don't do any base jumping with the Mach 6.
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    My gear is packed for Moab. Just need to load the car tonight after work then catch the first ferry Friday. I've been working essentially 2 full time jobs this last couple months and 1.5 jobs for the couple months before that so I am fully burnt out and ready to chill. I'm going on a strict taco and beer diet on this trip plus 1 - 2 rides per day.

    Some friends went down a week early and manage to ride off a cliff breaking both elbows! Yikes. So I am am going make sure I don't do any base jumping with the Mach 6.

    Brutal. How could you have had the time to get he most important component ready - the motor?

    To get my money's worth on these types of trips I try to spend at least two months getting in fighting shape beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guppie View Post
    Thanks that pretty much sums it all up. With that being said, can you point out a Float X on ebay for me that has the exact specs the stock Float X has? Without too much tinkering (because I have a tendency to screw things up) I'd like to be able to do an easy swap and be on the trail ASAP.
    Get a used Float X and get it PUSH'd. Totally happy with mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Brutal. How could you have had the time to get he most important component ready - the motor?

    To get my money's worth on these types of trips I try to spend at least two months getting in fighting shape beforehand.
    I rode a lot this summer. No kids and no responsibilities aside from work. I actually was happy to take a couple weeks off lately after whacking my head. I was almost burnt out from all the riding this summer.

    Unless I get injured... **knock on wood** ... I can ride all day everyday for 2 weeks without thinking about it - especially at a group pace. I'm thinking about hauling my DSLR along on rides for a bit more challenge and the benefit of much nicer photos.

    Edit: just so it doesn't sound like I am some super hardcore rider I should point out I ride with a pretty average group of friends and we'll have 10 riders on most rides in Moab so the pace will not be deadly. I won't be going at my max all day. I'll be more like 60% gas and we'll have lots of rest stops.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Get a used Float X and get it PUSH'd. Totally happy with mine.
    Found a barely used Float X from my friend's Yeti SB6.

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    I had a great trip to Moab and made it back home safe and sound. 11 days in town and 11 rides done. Hit all the classics with a couple repeats for good measure [UPS/LPS/Porc & Capt Ahab].

    We lucked out with pretty nice weather. Never too hot, but not cold either except for at 11K feet for the start to TWE. Got rained on once on the first day then had dry rides the rest of the time.

    This was my first trip to Moab on the Mach 6. It really felt like cheating every trail was that much easier. With extended climbs like up to Gold Bar Rim having an efficient bike was key to keeping smiling. Then with lots of sweet drops to play on coming down and big chunk to blow through having a longer travel rig was really nice. The fact I had both ends of the spectrum in one bike made it perfect for those really long days out and let me come back to camp after 7hrs feeling strong with lots of gas left in the tank.

    I was on the fence about the new Vittoria Morsa tires at the start of the trip, but by the end I was liking them a lot. They lack a bit in volume and centre tread compared to my favourites [Conti Trail Kings], but once you learned to respect their abilities the Morsa's handled all, but the most gnarly stuff without complaint. As you'd expect from a semi-slick tire they rolled fast. Several times on TWE I found myself coasting and even braking as I rode behind folks who were pedalling away on their slow rolling bikes. I couldn't quite stay with my buddy who was cornering on DHF's, but the difference wasn't huge most of the time and I was able to make up time on any straight sections.

    While other folks in our group had their tires sliced and diced by sharp desert rocks the Morsa's sidewalls came away unscathed. The rear tire's centre tread was significantly worn from driving the bike and braking on rough rock.

    I tried the Morsas in 2.4" width. I don't think I can get the 2.5" width of that tire to fit into the rear of my M6. I think just being slightly wider would improve these tires enough I'd replace my TKs for summer use anyways. I may try a "big" Morsa just to see what happens. Worst case my GF is looking for a bigger volume tire for the rear of her Warden, which has more clearance than my M6 and would fit a 2.5" Morsa.

    All in all it was a great trip. So much fun to put in long rides each day with my friends and then return to camp for beers and a campfire. Nice thing about weak beer is you can drink like a fiend and never get a hangover!

    Getting to ride with a ton of different riders and bikes on the shuttle runs it was interesting to see what was what. The Mach 6 impressed the heck out of me not just because it's so capable and fun, but going head to head with other folks there were very few bikes that really got my attention. The two I dug were the SC Hightower 29er and the Canfield Riot.

    After all that riding I was real happy with all my riding gear except my gloves. I developed some serious blisters/callouses right where the fingers meet the palm. To be fair my existing gloves are fine for 4 days riding+ at home, but with all that chunk and like 150 ledge drops in a ride my hands took a real beating. I'm going to look for a new pair of really well padded burly gloves for these extended trips.

    On a non-bike related note it was cool to geek out on all the RVs in Moab. Virtually every style was represented with lots of different takes on the perfect nomad wagon. One of my plans for world domination is to get semi-retired soon and get a RV of some sort so I can travel around BC, Alberta, Western USA and Baja to visit my friends, bike and hit the waves. Getting to see lots of RVs in action was nice so I could evaluate the pros and cons in real life vs. checking stuff out online.
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    Great write up.

    This past Spring was my first Moab trip, and maybe the most fun I've ever had on a bike. The trails were so much fun, both ups and downs. TWE was cool, but I really loved the ups and downs of Amasa/Ahab.

    I think the M6 was made for Moab.

    Trying to get back next Spring. Would love to camp at Canyonlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Great write up.

    This past Spring was my first Moab trip, and maybe the most fun I've ever had on a bike. The trails were so much fun, both ups and downs. TWE was cool, but I really loved the ups and downs of Amasa/Ahab.

    I think the M6 was made for Moab.

    Trying to get back next Spring. Would love to camp at Canyonlands.
    Yes Capt Ahab was great as was Hymasa such a nice climbing trail. TWE is fun for its epic character and speed, but it can be a bit of a $hitshow with tourists. I rode the TWE with a paid shuttle and then got the GF to shuttle me to the top of Jimmy Keen so I could solo down that trail and UPS/LPS and Porc. The self-shuttle was great because I missed the crowds and had the whole place to myself.

    My favourite ride was Mag 7 with the Gold Bar Rim/Portal finish. So much ledge smashing fun.

    The M6 and bikes of its ilk are indeed made for Moab. Efficient for the big mileage and climbs, but ready to huck and smash on the way down. That trip had me thinking that I need to stick to a one-bike-to-rule-them-all for my next rig. A shorter travel bike might be a smidge more efficient, but I think that would be a poor trade off for less capability on the downs. Especially when the M6 is such a good climber. You really pay a very small price for 6" of travel on the way down.

    I didn't see one 27+ plus bike riding on the trails [and there were plenty] that made me think I want to be on it. I passed a ton of the them on the TWE. Not sure if they were just under crap riders or if they are just not well suited to the super chunk, but my charitable description of how they rolled down the trail would be - awkward. That's coming from a guy who bought the first 29+ as a bikepacking rig more than 3yrs ago.

    I saw a few SC Hightowers in 29er trim that were being ridden well and a Canfield Riot. If I had more time in Moab I would have rented a Hightower for a day, but we were so busy riding and hanging out I never managed to connect the dots.

    I should note that I am appreciating how great a 27.5" AM bike is will a decently wide 2.4" tire. It seems like a pretty amazing combination of roll over, maneuverability, suspension travel and durable tires. I'm a little jealous of the GF's Warden in the tire clearance department. I'm pretty sure we can get a true 2.5" tire in there whereas my M6 is maxed out on a true 2.4" tire. 0.1" doesn't sound like much, but it makes a noticeable difference in volume.

    Anyways enough rambling. Hopefully we can hook up a Pivot meet up in Moab on of these days and shoot the $hit over some weak beer!
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    Mag 7 is something I didn't hit but am looking forward to it next time out.

    Would be cool to get some of the frequent mtbr flyers to hook up out in Moab.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Mag 7 is something I didn't hit but am looking forward to it next time out.

    Would be cool to get some of the frequent mtbr flyers to hook up out in Moab.
    I'm always game to try and meet up. Any excuse for a road trip!
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    Nice write up Vik. Firstly and most importantly get your beer in CO ! We fly to grand junction from the north east (via Denver) and get beer there. Secondly, I might be able to rustle up a few of our crew. 2 Mach 6s and 3 SB's and a 429T in our regular crew. Just got back from Sedona and rented an Evil Insurgent. I liked it a lot.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    Nice write up Vik. Firstly and most importantly get your beer in CO ! We fly to grand junction from the north east (via Denver) and get beer there. Secondly, I might be able to rustle up a few of our crew. 2 Mach 6s and 3 SB's and a 429T in our regular crew. Just got back from Sedona and rented an Evil Insurgent. I liked it a lot.

    I'd love to hear your thoughts on the Insurgent. I think I have talked myself out of The Following due to low travel and limited tire clearance, but you never know!

    I felt like a hero the first night when I pounded 6 beers and was surprised I had no hangover until I realized they were ~3%.

    My peeps are planning an Oct 2017 mission to the St.George/Gooseberry Mesa/Sedona/Prescott areas over 2-3 weeks. Anyone is welcome to join as long as you can handle a mix of riders speeds.

    I think I am staying home this Dec so I'll be properly stir crazy by March/April for a road trip somewhere warm and dry.
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    Thanks for the TR vik. Sounds like you had just as good a time as I did down there. Like you, I can't imagine too many better companions than the M6 for a week in Moab.


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    Great trip report Vik.

    Just back from Moab myself where I rode my new to me Mach 6 for the first time. Picked up the frame on the way down from BC Kootenays and built the bike in the hotel room the night before the intro ride on Slickrock. What a fun bike up or
    down! Performed admirably on Mag 7, upper and lower Porc, Klondike Bluffs, HyMasa, Amasa Back and Navajo Pocks.

    Cable routing is a VikB variant and is superior to the finicky Pivot set up. Interestingly, I rode the bike with my 26 inch wheels in Moab while awaiting the 27.5 builds. Pedal strikes were minimal and the bike behaved politely. Looking forward to more riding before the snow flies.

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    Nice work Telebiker....great way to break in a brand new M6!
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    So after spending 11 days straight on my M6 in Moab I had a lot of time to consider what I loved about the bike and what I would like to see in a refresh.

    I should note that Pivot [to their credit] fixed a lot of my initial gripes about my 2014 M6 in the V2 updates. So I won't waste time talking about those issues again.

    - make the TT ~0.5" - 1" longer for each size
    - don't make the STA stupid steep [note how many people are putting setback droppers on the SB or sliding their saddles all the way back on the rails]
    - keep CS same length or shorter and make room for a true 2.5" tire + mud clearance
    - Ideally stick with Boost for backwards compatibility for hubs, but if getting short CS and wide tire clearance require it go Super Duper Boosty Boost Plus
    - run cables externally except for dropper
    - keep BB height where it is
    - use some glue on protective bits that actually keeps them attached to the bike
    - if you can fit a bottle into the frame that would be sweet, yes that means maybe not having an ankle height TT, but it's okay we are not smashing our nuts apart each ride
    - keep the same or similar weight/carbon layup
    - keep the same or similar DW-link mechanics
    - a couple shock options for frame only purchase would be nice
    - offer a black/stealth colourway

    I know the whole steep STA thing is a contentious issue. Reading the SB thread carefully it's interesting how many people noted the steep STA wasn't great for flats pedalling, pushed their saddle back all the way on the rails or used a dropper post.

    I'm not suggesting designing the slackest STA possible, just find some middle ground. When you think about what's worse pushing your saddle forward on the rails a bit to get a steeper effective STA or doing the opposite it's clear that pushing the saddle forward puts your weight right over the dropper clamps vs. pushing the saddle back where your weight is levered way off the back of the saddle where it will snap the rails.

    We also need to remember that you can slide your body forward on your saddle to make the effective STA steeper for those really wall-like climbs...that last for a few minutes of each ride while keeping a more moderate STA for pedalling on the flats and rolling sections.

    It doesn't make a lot of sense to me to optimize a bike for the steepest seated pedalling sections when those don't make up much of a typical ride.

    I appreciate you gotta roll with the steep STA fashion at the moment to sell bikes so just do what other companies are doing and design in a steep lower portion with a slack bend at the top. That'll report a steep STA for the geo chart and sell bikes, but when you measure at actual pedalling height the effective STA will be more moderate. Win - win!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I appreciate you gotta roll with the steep STA fashion at the moment to sell bikes so just do what other companies are doing and design in a steep lower portion with a slack bend at the top. That'll report a steep STA for the geo chart and sell bikes, but when you measure at actual pedalling height the effective STA will be more moderate. Win - win!
    I think the steeper effective seat tube angles do quite well to allow riders to be more centered on the bike climbing or in undulating terrain, but slacker actual STA up where a dropper post actually is really helps, as the long-femur crowd ends up with really only a couple of options on the steep-everywhere seat tube if they find themselves climbing steep and slipper stuff ever.

    While all those suggestions are totally reasonable (if conservative - could drop half a degree of HTA, add 1" of reach, and be completely good to go), with the development timeframe I worry that integrating that into a design may still be 24 months out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tehllama View Post
    ...with the development timeframe I worry that integrating that into a design may still be 24 months out.
    I'm just spewing a bit above with my comments. The reality is the next Mach 6 [V3] has been designed and tested already. Pivot isn't going to change anything on that bike at this point. They are likely just working on the manufacturing/supply chain planning end of things at the moment as well as marketing planning.

    If they were listening to design input it would be for V4 that will come out in 2019/20.
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    I think they could go an inch longer in the reach numbers for a given size. I don't care about ETT more concerned about reach. Id like to see a 73.5 degree seat tube also. I did find the SB climbed the same rocky, ledgy trail easier than my Mach 6 with less body English required. I would like a 66 degree head angle with 160mm fork and 0.5 to 1" shorter seat tubes. I'm 5'11" but have short legs and can only just get away with a 150mm reverb. Good clearance on the rear for 2.5 or 2.6" tires too. I think any slacker than 66 head angle and you're getting into Firebird territory. 150-155 in the back is perfect. Of all the bikes out there I'd like to try a recluse. Interesting #s.

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