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    i have ordered and paid for a ccdb air cs 2014 215x63 for my new mach 6 and here is the surprise (cane creek answer )
    We just heard from another customer with a Mach 6 that the Medium and Small frames are compatible with the DBAir. You will need to order the BAD0919 which is a specific version of the DBAir-CS that has a 15mm open end-eye. The standard 215 x 63 shock will not work with this frame.
    I AM ****ED spent a lot of money and now can´t use it

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    Tell me bad things about the Mach 6

    Surely you can change the order?


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    I know of a few people, myself included, considering running something other than the lauded Float X. I'm currently trying to work out what shocks are frame compatible (i.e. clearance for piggy back), what shocks require different hardware, and if the required hardware actually exists. Sounds like a specific 15mm open end-eye CCDBA is required per Cane Creek (thanks for doing the leg work Goyayago, hope you get what you need). Not sure if the standard BOS Kirk is compatible either. I know Fox, Rock Shox, and Marzocchi use similar standards and may be the easiest transitions. Keen to see what people hear from companies, LBS's, distributors, and the great KenBentIt as it comes through.

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    The key thing to remember on the Mach 6 isn't so much the shock hardware (the front mount is a very standard 8x22mm) it's the size of the shock body where the rear hardware would normally go. With the Mach6 there is NO shock hardware on the rear mount, just the "pin" that comes with the bike and replaces all the shock hardware. Our stock shocks come with no hardware or bushings in the rear position. The eyelet needs to be the correct ID (I need to double check that value but I "believe" it's .578")and the shock body needs the correct width/thickness at the eyelet (.500", 12.71mm). I've seen a pic with a Vivid air on a Mach 6 (pretty sure the frame was a Large). From what I've heard, the BOS uses a thicker shock body at the eyelet (14mm Vs 12.71) so it will NOT work. The best option is to email or call before ordering a shock so you don't end up with something that won't work.
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    Do you have any idea if the Monarch Plus will work on the M6?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goyayago View Post
    i have ordered and paid for a ccdb air cs 2014 215x63 for my new mach 6 and here is the surprise (cane creek answer )
    We just heard from another customer with a Mach 6 that the Medium and Small frames are compatible with the DBAir. You will need to order the BAD0919 which is a specific version of the DBAir-CS that has a 15mm open end-eye. The standard 215 x 63 shock will not work with this frame.
    I AM ****ED spent a lot of money and now can´t use it
    I am sure that if you call Cane Creek to discuss the situation they will work with you. I had a similar issue with my I9 hubs and they worked it out for me very quickly.

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    I'm 99% sure the Monarch will work fine since it uses the same size bushings and it's "footprint" is even smaller than a Vivid Air (which I've seen on a bike).
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    Do you have any idea if the Monarch Plus will work on the M6?
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    Tell me bad things about the Mach 6

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    Here is what is wrong withe Mach 6: The color options are terrible. Where is the green used in the 429C? Where is the Solar Orange from the Les? How about the white/blue from the Phoenix. The blue is a nice color, but the black is not my favorite. C'mon Pivot, would it kill you to give us more color options? Even options you use in your other bikes?
    I find it strange you say this TBH because other manufactures do not give more than three colours any more and they dont give the same colours as they do with their other models.

    I agree that there is to much going on with all the yellow but get the all black if thats a problem!

    Santa Cruz and intense only offer one or two colours on each frame and they are normally very similar and not the same as another model!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stejam View Post
    Santa Cruz and intense only offer one or two colours on each frame and they are normally very similar and not the same as another model!
    I dont think we can fault Pivot for the number of colors offered, but their paint schemes are not my fave. This is personal preference obviously, but I love the more simple and elegant graphics of the Bronson and Mojo HDR. Solid background with large contrasting stripes or color blocks in a couple areas is a cool look. Pivot gets a little carried away with angular blocks of color, and the absurd number of logos is just ugly.

    My M6 will be stealth black. I think the lines of the bike are so cool and distinctive there's no need for garish colors...

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    I think the issue for people is there are really 2 black colours and one bright colour in the M6. One black and two other colour options would have satisfied a bunch of people in this thread without needing extra colour schemes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I think the issue for people is there are really 2 black colours and one bright colour in the M6. One black and two other colour options would have satisfied a bunch of people in this thread without needing extra colour schemes.
    This reminds me of a tidbit I heard while demoing an M6 at Bothell Ski & Bike (aka bikesale.com, one of the largest Pivot dealers). They said they were not spec'ing xx1 or x01 on blue M6s because the paint was actually enough to cause a clearance issue with the rear cassette. I wasn't totally clear on where this issue would arise, and I have to think they'll fix this by masking the affected area soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    This reminds me of a tidbit I heard while demoing an M6 at Bothell Ski & Bike (aka bikesale.com, one of the largest Pivot dealers). They said they were not spec'ing xx1 or x01 on blue M6s because the paint was actually enough to cause a clearance issue with the rear cassette. I wasn't totally clear on where this issue would arise, and I have to think they'll fix this by masking the affected area soon.
    We were having variances with paint thicknesses on the Blue frames but those have been addressed. I just verified that a Monarch Plus will def fit the frame. Also double checked my numbers for the pin diameter and it's 15mm. So any shock needs to have a 15mm eyelet and the body needs to be .500" to fit into the clevis.
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    Awesome info. One other question, have you heard any other reports of clearance issues with XX1 and I9 hubs? My 10t is virtually unuseable with this setup, but was fine with the DTSwiss setup. I guess I can just throw a washer in there, but I hate hack fixes.

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    Yeah all the logos make it look like a trek road bike. yuk. I guess with all the similar looking bikes out there (with the shock mounted in same position, similar downtube, swingarm, etc. They want to make theirs stand out....... still looks like a road bike tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody View Post
    Yeah all the logos make it look like a trek road bike. yuk. I guess with all the similar looking bikes out there (with the shock mounted in same position, similar downtube, swingarm, etc. They want to make theirs stand out....... still looks like a road bike tho
    You must see some strange road bikes???

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    lol i mean the graphics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody View Post
    lol i mean the graphics
    HAHA Sorry I see :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody View Post
    Yeah all the logos make it look like a trek road bike. yuk. I guess with all the similar looking bikes out there (with the shock mounted in same position, similar downtube, swingarm, etc. They want to make theirs stand out....... still looks like a road bike tho
    I dunno, I think the M6 is fairly unique looking. S-curvy down tube and up-curving top tube/seattube junction looks a little like a Stumpy FSR I guess. But the pivots and links in the back are unique, and the overall look of the rear end is very cool in an industrial-chic kind of way. If it were up to me I'd highlight that with some ano on the links or pivot points. Maybe they'll offer those for after-market pimpin' at some point.

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    I think what is going on here is that when people are considering a large purchase such as this, there is a natural tendency to evaluate the purchase by seeking out things in the (+) and (-) column.

    I find it hilarious (and satisfying since I'm buying one) that the only negative thing anyone can find is personal preference on the graphics. This isn't a beauty contest or accessory for me, its an all mountain shred machine and I happen to think its good looking and in line with the industry as far as graphics. If you don't love the graphics there is the stealth black. Problem solved. Don't even get me started on the lines of the bike, its downright dry-humpable.

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    Will a Mach6 complement a Solo (or in my case 650b TRc) nicely? What do you guys think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmyers View Post
    i think what is going on here is that when people are considering a large purchase such as this, there is a natural tendency to evaluate the purchase by seeking out things in the (+) and (-) column.

    I find it hilarious (and satisfying since i'm buying one) that the only negative thing anyone can find is personal preference on the graphics. This isn't a beauty contest or accessory for me, its an all mountain shred machine and i happen to think its good looking and in line with the industry as far as graphics. If you don't love the graphics there is the stealth black. Problem solved. Don't even get me started on the lines of the bike, its downright dry-humpable.
    well said!!!

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    power ranger fan, holy crap I laughed hard when I read that
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    We actually just had an I9 wheelset in to verify the setup worked OK. The spacing measured the same as the DT and Stan's wheelsets. I don't have that much experience with I9 hubs though, do they offer different models?
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    Awesome info. One other question, have you heard any other reports of clearance issues with XX1 and I9 hubs? My 10t is virtually unuseable with this setup, but was fine with the DTSwiss setup. I guess I can just throw a washer in there, but I hate hack fixes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    I dont think we can fault Pivot for the number of colors offered, but their paint schemes are not my fave. This is personal preference obviously, but I love the more simple and elegant graphics of the Bronson and Mojo HDR. Solid background with large contrasting stripes or color blocks in a couple areas is a cool look. Pivot gets a little carried away with angular blocks of color, and the absurd number of logos is just ugly.

    My M6 will be stealth black. I think the lines of the bike are so cool and distinctive there's no need for garish colors...

    My decision to go with the M6 over the Bronson came down to, silly enough color choices.

    The Bronson had the threaded BB, reliable pivot setup. Good cable routing. Availability and price

    The M6 had the DW and better geo (which is a big one for me).

    It was really close, so it came down to looks. The M6 in Stealth came out on top. My bikes have usually been red or black. The Bronson's colors were not good - like SC was trying to hard to go out of its way to be different with those funky, trendy colors.

    I do agree that Pivot advertises way too much on their frames.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markmyers View Post
    I think what is going on here is that when people are considering a large purchase such as this, there is a natural tendency to evaluate the purchase by seeking out things in the (+) and (-) column.

    I find it hilarious (and satisfying since I'm buying one) that the only negative thing anyone can find is personal preference on the graphics. This isn't a beauty contest or accessory for me, its an all mountain shred machine and I happen to think its good looking and in line with the industry as far as graphics. If you don't love the graphics there is the stealth black. Problem solved. Don't even get me started on the lines of the bike, its downright dry-humpable.

    Make no mistake... it's a great bike. This thread is really for folks who know about the awesome qualities of the bike and are getting ready to dip into the kids' college fund.

    Like I said earlier, it would be great if every bike had a thread like this so it cuts to the chase of gives the 'soon to be' buyer that they're not making a mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    We actually just had an I9 wheelset in to verify the setup worked OK. The spacing measured the same as the DT and Stan's wheelsets. I don't have that much experience with I9 hubs though, do they offer different models?
    Mine are the latest Torch series. I will send some pictures to the Pivot support alias. Might be a hub issue too.

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    This is sort of lame to post, since I don't even own the bike ... but right off the bat, the fact that it doesn't have a water bottle cage mount inside the front triangle is a huge minus for me...I only want it for 5% of the rides I do, but when I do, I don't think any other option is as good. I know its a tight squeeze, but other bikes ( Spec. 29 ) managed to squeeze one in there...maybe Pivot didn't try hard enough?

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    most riders wear backpacks with reservoirs as was pointed out in several of the forums about this bike and others. I can't remember the last time I bought a bike, even the Spec 29 and I have 2 of those, when it had a bottle cage on it already. Plus it's about $10 if u really want one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slcpunk View Post
    This is sort of lame to post, since I don't even own the bike .....maybe Pivot didn't try hard enough?
    Last thing I want a bike company doing is compromising something else to fit a water bottle cage inside the frame on a 6" travel bike.

    Some suspension designs and frames allow a bottle to fit easily...if that's the case I have no issue with providing mounts for one, but this is one of the lowest priority items I would want considered.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deerock View Post
    most riders wear backpacks with reservoirs as was pointed out in several of the forums about this bike and others. I can't remember the last time I bought a bike, even the Spec 29 and I have 2 of those, when it had a bottle cage on it already. Plus it's about $10 if u really want one.
    What he's saying is it is not possible to put a water bottle cage on this bike.

    The All Mountain bikes seem to be split now on allowing a bottle cage or not. And the the cage at the bottom of the down tube does not count as it is BS.

    So it's a good consideration to note for riders who like the option of using a bottle sometimes.

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    Does anyone have experience routing a stealth dropper post on an M6? Routing goes down the DT, then up the ST. Is there some kind of baffle inside the frame so the cable will automatically make that turn, or do you have to fish it around the corner using the BB shell for access? If it's the latter, wouldn't this require not only removing the cranks but partially disassembling the PF BB? Hoping that's not necessary!

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    Non issues on the water bottle for me as I always ride with a pack for tools, extra tube, pack a phone, nutrition, etc. I wouldn't feel comfortable even doing a quick loop by my house without having tools and a spare tube.

    Really simple to route the cable for the dropper. Just feed it in the hole and it will come up through the seat tube. There is a baffle the handles the whole thing, super easy.

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    I thought about chopping the sworks enduro in for a m6 on Sunday, Friday afternoon and I've built a blue m6....sweet!

    Now,can we change this thread to...tell me Only good things about the m6?
    Coming off the enduro this feels so different, i understand the qualms about the SA. seating position it's way back as oppose to the enduro's weight forward style.
    Seriously cool bike,can't wait to get up the mountain.

    I thought the frame comes with a headset? Had to go to 2 lbs earlier for a hope pic,n,mix when i realized it didn't.

    Also, how am i going to route a reverb stealth? Wire in from the front, tape, then pull it backwards or won't it fit??

    P.s mavic crossmax enduro with xx1 won't work unless spaced out with washers.. that really grinds my gears!!

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    The Reverb will fit but I honestly don't remember what the installation procedure was. You could email RS for info but I remember it being pretty straightforward (we installed one for testing but I wasn't working directly on that project at the time, just in the stand next to mine). The frames only come with a shock, seat clamp, der hanger and RWS. The headset is a separate item or it comes as part of a frame kit (with fork).
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    I thought about chopping the sworks enduro in for a m6 on Sunday, Friday afternoon and I've built a blue m6....sweet!

    Now,can we change this thread to...tell me Only good things about the m6?
    Coming off the enduro this feels so different, i understand the qualms about the SA. seating position it's way back as oppose to the enduro's weight forward style.
    Seriously cool bike,can't wait to get up the mountain.

    I thought the frame comes with a headset? Had to go to 2 lbs earlier for a hope pic,n,mix when i realized it didn't.

    Also, how am i going to route a reverb stealth? Wire in from the front, tape, then pull it backwards or won't it fit??

    P.s mavic crossmax enduro with xx1 won't work unless spaced out with washers.. that really grinds my gears!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo1 View Post
    I thought about chopping the sworks enduro in for a m6 on Sunday, Friday afternoon and I've built a blue m6....sweet!

    Now,can we change this thread to...tell me Only good things about the m6?
    Coming off the enduro this feels so different, i understand the qualms about the SA. seating position it's way back as oppose to the enduro's weight forward style.
    Seriously cool bike,can't wait to get up the mountain.

    I thought the frame comes with a headset? Had to go to 2 lbs earlier for a hope pic,n,mix when i realized it didn't.

    Also, how am i going to route a reverb stealth? Wire in from the front, tape, then pull it backwards or won't it fit??

    P.s mavic crossmax enduro with xx1 won't work unless spaced out with washers.. that really grinds my gears!!
    Congrats, you are going to love it. The Stealth should have a quick disconnect, but not sure if that will fit through the internal routing. If not they are super easy to bleed, just make sure you read the instructions.

    As for the bottle cage, I run one on the DT of my HD without issue. Us the new Camelback bottles and you don't even have to worry about cleaning it off before drinking. Reaching it is not an issue either, you just can't be pedaling, but you don't need to stop.

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    That's the issue. The quick disconnect won't fit through the hole and it's crimped.I could disconnect from the lever side but that means routing it in reverse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    The key thing to remember on the Mach 6 isn't so much the shock hardware (the front mount is a very standard 8x22mm) it's the size of the shock body where the rear hardware would normally go. With the Mach6 there is NO shock hardware on the rear mount, just the "pin" that comes with the bike and replaces all the shock hardware. Our stock shocks come with no hardware or bushings in the rear position. The eyelet needs to be the correct ID (I need to double check that value but I "believe" it's .578")and the shock body needs the correct width/thickness at the eyelet (.500", 12.71mm). I've seen a pic with a Vivid air on a Mach 6 (pretty sure the frame was a Large). From what I've heard, the BOS uses a thicker shock body at the eyelet (14mm Vs 12.71) so it will NOT work. The best option is to email or call before ordering a shock so you don't end up with something that won't work.
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    I'm not seeing how that will work for you in this case? The rear mount on the Mach6 uses a 15mm pin that fits directly into the shock body with no bushings at all. That pin countersinks into the clevis which is how it resists flex/twist. Here's the parts list pdf so you can see the piece I'm referring to. It's part#7 "Mach Clevis Shock Pin".
    http://www.pivotcycles.com//up/file/...013.10_.5_.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo1 View Post
    I thought about chopping the sworks enduro in for a m6 on Sunday, Friday afternoon and I've built a blue m6....sweet!

    Now,can we change this thread to...tell me Only good things about the m6?
    Coming off the enduro this feels so different, i understand the qualms about the SA. seating position it's way back as oppose to the enduro's weight forward style.
    Seriously cool bike,can't wait to get up the mountain.

    I thought the frame comes with a headset? Had to go to 2 lbs earlier for a hope pic,n,mix when i realized it didn't.

    Also, how am i going to route a reverb stealth? Wire in from the front, tape, then pull it backwards or won't it fit??

    P.s mavic crossmax enduro with xx1 won't work unless spaced out with washers.. that really grinds my gears!!
    Undo the reverb remote, straighten the cable as much as possible and with a torch feed it down the seat tube into the internal routing pipe, it took me 5 minutes and im no pro
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    Quote Originally Posted by waldo1 View Post
    That's the issue. The quick disconnect won't fit through the hole and it's crimped.I could disconnect from the lever side but that means routing it in reverse.
    This is what I did w/ my Reverb Stealth. There's no other way. It forces you to bleed it after install and the Connectamajig becomes a moot point on this bike, but it was no biggie.

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    Not that it matters much right now as my M6 is paid for and currently cruising cross country in the big brown Santa sled to my doorstep buy I'd still like to hear thoughts from Pivot riders. (Can't recall if I asked this here already, so if I did sorry.)

    Bearings: How is the durability on Pivot's pivots? Are they a squeaky bunch that needs frequent replacing? If so, is it a bearing press project, or a shade-tree mechanic job?

    BB: Any word on issues the PFBB? Are the Shimano BBs and drive trains playing nice with this abomination?

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    My 3yr old 429 has the original bearings and still riding quiet. I just take the axels out periodically, clean and reassemble.

    I live in a year round riding area, and save the trails when they are (infrequently) wet, so I can't speak to durability during wet season riding, or surfing the bike through rivers, etc. I can't stand squeaky, creaky bikes. I've been known to be hard on frames so when I hear a creak, I'm stopping to check for frame cracks (aluminum frames). You can see how this would be an issue with a creaky bike, as I'd be stopping to check things out all the time! LOL

    I also don't wash my bikes, only dust them off with a rag, so I can't speak to durability with frequent washing.

    My PFBB (SRAM) on my 429 is also the original one. I used the same one on my Mach 6.

    Over the 3yrs, my 429 was ridden ~2-3 days/week; another bike was ridden ~1-2 days/week over the same time. So lots of trail time on the bearings.

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    That's all good to know...I can't stand squeaky bike either. Drives me batty!!

    Quote Originally Posted by robertj View Post
    My 3yr old 429 has the original bearings and still riding quiet. I just take the axels out periodically, clean and reassemble.

    I live in a year round riding area, and save the trails when they are (infrequently) wet, so I can't speak to durability during wet season riding, or surfing the bike through rivers, etc. I can't stand squeaky, creaky bikes. I've been known to be hard on frames so when I hear a creak, I'm stopping to check for frame cracks (aluminum frames). You can see how this would be an issue with a creaky bike, as I'd be stopping to check things out all the time! LOL

    I also don't wash my bikes, only dust them off with a rag, so I can't speak to durability with frequent washing.

    My PFBB (SRAM) on my 429 is also the original one. I used the same one on my Mach 6.

    Over the 3yrs, my 429 was ridden ~2-3 days/week; another bike was ridden ~1-2 days/week over the same time. So lots of trail time on the bearings.

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    Squeaky

    Tell me bad things about the Mach 6-blizzard-silhouette.jpgTell me bad things about the Mach 6-blizzard-anticipation.jpg
    Too squeaky, M6 cried all night because of the blizzard. I think the SnowBlower was teasing her.

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    Any comments on the rear end stiffness of this bike on the trail? I got an anonymous tip to check out the "grab the tire and seat tube and twist" test. I got my hands on one this weekend, and I was frankly shocked at how much the yoke that actuated the shock moved.

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    Pivot isn't known for flexy bikes, haven't heard any reviews of it being flexy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yody View Post
    Pivot isn't known for flexy bikes, haven't heard any reviews of it being flexy?
    True, but their bikes usually attach the shock directly to the rear triangle. As to the reviews, most reviews are from people who bought them or bike magazines. Hard to interpret what they mean. I can say that the particular bike I had my hands on had the flexiest rear triangle of any dual short link bike I've ever dinked around with. Maybe it doesn't manifest itself on the trail, but I'm just reporting what I saw.

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    Then you never messed with an original mojo sl or an aluminum intense tracer......but I hear you on "influenced" reviews
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    Headset question (x post from M6 pics thread)....

    The stock headset that comes with a build kit... Mine appears to have about a 2.5mm space between the top cap and flange of the head tube insert. There is a thin rubber gasket in that space, but the gasket does not nearly fill the void. The gasket seats upward into the recess of the top cap.

    The space looks open enough to let in a lot of water and grit.

    Am I missing perhaps some other seal or spacer/washer?

    Thanks.

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