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    So what's next for Pivot?

    The Mach 4 got some love this year. Lighter and stiffer. The Mach 5 is now replaced by the 5.7. The Mach 429 received some enhancements. The Phoenix is an instant hit ( and I want one real bad).
    BUT what about the Firebird? Will it get a little refresh this year? More travel? Anything?

    OR will pivot start to explore the realm of full Carbon.

    Let the speculation begin.

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    For the FB an adjustable chain stay adjustment feature might be cool (ala Pheonix)... or an easier way to adjust the HTA (other than an angle set)...

    but orange ano would be really cool (but i'm probably the only one who'd want that )... or color combo choices of front and rear triangle...
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Since the Pivot people actually read this:

    For the love of god, don't redo the the 429 and call it the 429.7 (or something horrible like that). Update the bike, make it lighter, and leave the name alone!

    I'd probably buy one either way...

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    Carbon M5.7, M4, M429

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    All model will be lighter, and a Pivot hard tail..
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    My want list:

    Pivot 529 (I assume it would be fun... I've never ridden a 29'er except for cyclocross bikes) with 140mm travel.

    New Firebird rear triangle with removeable dropouts so I can run 150 through all the way down to QR out back just by swapping the drops.
    "It looks flexy"

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    I think having one of their large black Mach 5.7s sitting under me should be their most immediate goal. All that carbon ****e can wait
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    my list

    1) some sort of Maxle or 12x142 thru axle system
    2) offer with Coil version (frameset & complete)
    3) offer with Cane Creek angelset (frameset & complete)
    4) raw frame option
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    Pivot needs to come out with a hardtail Ti bike that can take a 140mm fork like the Van Nicholas Mamtor. and I want the mach 5.7 to come in yellow.

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    The only hardtail worth riding is a 29er and TI is too soft and flexy.

    Steal is real!

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    i thought Pivot was already teamed with a road bike manufacturer?
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Yeah, BH or HB bike something. I think they are a real cool old school company from Spain or ??? The cyclocross bike in carbon looks pretty amazing. Can't wait till all the bikes start to come out with disc mounts since they finally made it legal!
    "It looks flexy"

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    OK, I just noticed that another company is making a 29'er 7" travel DH bike. I think Pivot with their DW link could do it waaaaaay better than the company using the "Already Been Patented" technology. That is an awesome idea and I want one.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    ... the company using the "Already Been Patented" technology.
    clever little shot there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toHELLuRIDE
    The only hardtail worth riding is a 29er and TI is too soft and flexy.

    Steal is real!
    Am, so you advocate taking bikes of others and riding them? That's real?

    Or did you mean "steel" is real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh
    Am, so you advocate taking bikes of others and riding them? That's real?

    Or did you mean "steel" is real?


    Thank you.

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    Don't you think you should have started out your first sentence with UHHH not Am?

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    I really hope P does NOT move to full carbon, I love their bikes the way they are and will probably buy a 5-7 as soon as I can justify it
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    I am opposite of you Felt, I would like to see a full carbon Firebird. I am starting to get sold on the dampening effects and stiffness of the carbon ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithrider
    I am opposite of you Felt, I would like to see a full carbon Firebird. I am starting to get sold on the dampening effects and stiffness of the carbon ride.
    weird... but good that it stiffer yet dampens better... what about durability? what about rocks? i am always tossing rocks into my down tube... has carbon technology overcome all that yet?
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog
    weird... but good that it stiffer yet dampens better... what about durability? what about rocks? i am always tossing rocks into my down tube... has carbon technology overcome all that yet?
    Yep to durability and lots of stiffness. Have you seen the video of Peat hitting a corner at full speed at the paved DH race?

    Damps better? How can you even feel that with a 6.5" travel fork and rear?
    "It looks flexy"

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    Quote Originally Posted by gticlay
    Yep to durability and lots of stiffness. Have you seen the video of Peat hitting a corner at full speed at the paved DH race?

    Damps better? How can you even feel that with a 6.5" travel fork and rear?
    Hard to explain the dampening effect. The ride of a carbon frame just feels different to me. That said, I have not owned one, only test ridden them. Nonetheless, the material difference was perceptible and wasn't in my head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smithrider
    Hard to explain the dampening effect. The ride of a carbon frame just feels different to me. That said, I have not owned one, only test ridden them. Nonetheless, the material difference was perceptible and wasn't in my head.
    I might be dead down there too I certainly notice how frigging stiff and how well the front end of my carbon bike tracks, especially on bermy tractiony fast trails that have multiple s-curves.
    "It looks flexy"

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    but what about rocks flying up and smacking your frame?
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog
    but what about rocks flying up and smacking your frame?
    It's really no big deal these days.
    "It looks flexy"

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    Wish list? 429C with 12mm rear axle. More space around rear shock for cable routing. Carbon kickplate under downtube that bolts onto existing watercage bolts to protect carbon downtube. Enough space to allow normal XX FD to fit without cable rub.

    All this said, my current 429 is my favorite bike to date.

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    My friend who is a diehard Pivot owner is selling his Firebird and Mach 5 after he built his Ibis. Once you use carbon it's hard to go back. This is the reason I sold my Mach 4 and kept my 2009 Titus X, way lighter and better at climbs. The only option for carbon dwlink is Ibis, or if you want something comparable is Santa Cruz. I wish Pivot would seriously consider going carbon.

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    It's not that I don't like the feel of carbon, I just ride VERY rocky northeastern trails and although I will race XC on carbon I don't like it for DH/AM.

    Partly because I can't afford to replace a frame very often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dog
    but what about rocks flying up and smacking your frame?
    I'm actually more worried about my frame going down and smashing the rocks
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    ... that too... but still if they are making the carbon frames to handle that as well as aluminum and if it is more resistant to fatigue i'm open to it... my carbon bars seem to take some decent hits from rocks and still hang in there...
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    I'd like to see a carbon 120mm bike. I think that would hit the sweet spot of something I could race but also be happy with riding on trails too. Preferably with slacker HT angles please, say 68-69 degrees. Plus, that would give them a good excuse to bring back the mach 5 name.

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    I reckon Pivot should have a look at doing a carbon front triangle, steel rear triangle, magnesium lower link, aluminium upper link DH bike with an electric shifting gearbox and fixed rear hub. Front travel will only need to be 2" due to the 36" wheel while running a 24" rear wheel and 12" of travel to balance out the 17" bb height. They can partner with White Bros for the forks. Must have two bottle mounts and use a 5.5" x 1.5" air shock to save weight and still use at least 30% sag. It might be a bit of a niche bike though!

    If that's not possible then an update for the Firebird. Full carbon version, adjustable/replaceable rear dropout spacing, nicer looking upper link, no change in rear travel, angleset headset as standard, different anodised colours like red, blue or green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog
    i thought Pivot was already teamed with a road bike manufacturer?
    http://www.bhbikes.com/de/catalogo/ultimate-9-8

    Add internal cable routing to my list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ansible
    I'd like to see a carbon 120mm bike. I think that would hit the sweet spot of something I could race but also be happy with riding on trails too. Preferably with slacker HT angles please, say 68-69 degrees. Plus, that would give them a good excuse to bring back the mach 5 name.
    Sounds like you're looking for a Yeti ASR5-C. I demoed one of those too before settling on a 5.7. Partly due to durability concerns, but also partly because I felt like I was between their sizing. Their Large is really long and their medium was shorter than my AM/FR bike. It had a good ride though. I didn't get to spend that much time on it, but some friends who did were impressed.
    Fall in Fruita/GJ. F' yeah! Lunch Loops are riding sweet and so is everything else.

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    Not that it's going to help me at this point, but they really need to rethink the factory cable routing of the FB so that it doesn't gradually grind down the top of the rocker and upper pivots on the seatstays. Having spent 5k+ on a bike, I've wasted more time than I should have trying to resolve this issue. Also make it more dropper post friendly.

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    5.529??

    Would be sweet with a 140 fork!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TIMBERRR
    The Mach 4 got some love this year. Lighter and stiffer. The Mach 5 is now replaced by the 5.7. The Mach 429 received some enhancements. The Phoenix is an instant hit ( and I want one real bad).
    BUT what about the Firebird? Will it get a little refresh this year? More travel? Anything?

    OR will pivot start to explore the realm of full Carbon.

    Let the speculation begin.
    Mach 5.7 is 110% replacing the Mach 5?? Maybe this is old, old news, but the only info supporting this is via message board postings. I haven't read anything outside messages boards that indicate this. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places? (pivot.com?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker
    Mach 5.7 is 110% replacing the Mach 5?? Maybe this is old, old news, but the only info supporting this is via message board postings. I haven't read anything outside messages boards that indicate this. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places? (pivot.com?)

    Its very old news indeed, as matter of fact I got my Pivot newsletter announcing the release of the Mach 5.7 and notification that it would indeed be replacing the now defunct Mach5 in the near future sometime in July 2010.

    In would suggest if your not getting your newsletter you contact Pivot immediately and demand that you get yours. My god how have you survived so long without your newsletters!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy.Ford
    fwiw there is no newsletter, but its been all over the web for months! So I suggest you crawl out from under that rock youve been living under a little more often and enjoy the real world.Do you even ride a bike???


    Really? Thanks for your 2 cents you hand job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker

    Really? Thanks for your 2 cents you hand job.
    np Im here to help. Consider yourself informed, see I helped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tusker
    Mach 5.7 is 110% replacing the Mach 5?? Maybe this is old, old news, but the only info supporting this is via message board postings. I haven't read anything outside messages boards that indicate this. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places? (pivot.com?)
    Tusker, this is confirmed. We replaced the Mach 5 with the Mach 5.7. The website lists them on sale - both the old Mach 4 and Mach 5 is on closeout from us - we only have larger sizes left, but shops can buy them and sell them at a discount right now...

    As for all this other stuff listed, we stopped taking suggestions last year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23

    As for all this other stuff listed, we stopped taking suggestions last year...
    you were taking suggestions?
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog
    you were taking suggestions?
    "The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face".
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23
    Tusker, this is confirmed. We replaced the Mach 5 with the Mach 5.7. The website lists them on sale - both the old Mach 4 and Mach 5 is on closeout from us - we only have larger sizes left, but shops can buy them and sell them at a discount right now...

    As for all this other stuff listed, we stopped taking suggestions last year...
    Hey Dan23, thanks for the clarification. Again, a lot of web comments and post indicated this. I happened to miss the official notification last July. I ask because I purchased one of those discounted M5s. Thanks again.


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    ooooo. Nice in white.

    my vote. Mach 4.729 and keep doing what your doin Pivot. Maybe scandium for a lighter frame since that is the real push for carbon (weight and stiffness). Scandium is lighter and stronger than other aluminums and would be a good alternative to carbon.
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