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    @BoomShakkaLagga i put in a standard RF Next SL, flipped chainring to adjust for the chainline.
    Super Boost Plus hubs from DT should come this year for aftermarket, however you can just use a standard DH hub as well.

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    You can use a regular RF Aeffect crank with a flipped standard cinch chainring. The crank Arms will clear the chainstays, and the flipped ring will give you the 57mm chainline.

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    Selling my stock 29er Sunringles. Message me if you want some cheap 29er wheels for your Switchblade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomShakkaLagga View Post
    Hi,

    Not sure if this topic was already there at some point, but Pivot has two exotic "standards" built in the Switchblade.

    Hopefully someone can answer my questions concerning these:

    I guess if I destroy the crank arms, can I simply buy crank RF arms somewhere, as the independent wider RF crank axle is the "non" standard here? I am a little paranoid when it comes to non-standards and possibly travelling over longer time or to more remote areas with a bike.
    (Bad experience - since then I am one of the guys who has a derailleur hanger in the backpack...)

    For the wheelsets, are they available individually and do I go through Pivot? In case I want the other size 27.5+/29 additionally. What about individual prices of the DTSwiss OEM wheelsets? Are the known?
    What if I want a 30mm inner width 29er rim? Conveniently possible? Are the "super boost plus" hubs available at the aftermarket and can I, re. my LBS or a wheelbuilder order them and build a custom wheelset?


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    Regarding wheels...

    The rims are whatever. Get what you want. For the hubs, yes, there are several vendors that have the "super boost" rear spacing. You will just have to get them custom ordered or built. I9, DT Swiss, Stans....you have hub options spanning budget ranges.

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    My switchblade came with the standard alloy aeffect crankset and I upgraded to the Next SL crankset. The NEXT SL came with the standard 134mm spindle and I bought the specific spindle that Pivot told me to get which is Race Face Part # F30037. The chainring I'm using is the Absolute Black 30T Oval (NON BOOST) version and my chainline I measured is 59mm. I see most are saying the optimal chainline is 57mm. I haven't seen any issues with 59mm chainline as of yet. I've got about 600 miles on the drivetrain and I've never had to make any adjustments. Chainware seems normal and no issues with the cassette or chainring. If I wanted to get to the 57mm chainline, whats my best option to get there? Remove a space or something between the crank arm and bottom bracket?

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    Anyone running a 160mm fork? Thoughts?
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    Do your cranks have the thin alloy spacers on the spindle? We've been shipping them with Three 1mm spacers & One 2.5mm spacer on the non-drive side and One 1mm & One 2.5mm spacer on the drive side. You can move spacers to adjust the chainline for specific rings as needed, usually just move a 1mm spacer over to the drive side.
    Quote Originally Posted by matrix311 View Post
    My switchblade came with the standard alloy aeffect crankset and I upgraded to the Next SL crankset. The NEXT SL came with the standard 134mm spindle and I bought the specific spindle that Pivot told me to get which is Race Face Part # F30037. The chainring I'm using is the Absolute Black 30T Oval (NON BOOST) version and my chainline I measured is 59mm. I see most are saying the optimal chainline is 57mm. I haven't seen any issues with 59mm chainline as of yet. I've got about 600 miles on the drivetrain and I've never had to make any adjustments. Chainware seems normal and no issues with the cassette or chainring. If I wanted to get to the 57mm chainline, whats my best option to get there? Remove a space or something between the crank arm and bottom bracket?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomShakkaLagga View Post
    Anyone running a 160mm fork? Thoughts?
    I suggest reading through the pages in this thread... there are dozens of pages about 160mm. Plenty of other great insights too. Many have loved 160mm with zero stack headset cup.

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    Anybody using a Cane Creek shock on their Switchblade? Looking to upgrade and wondered if anyone has had any mounting issues with Cane Creek. Looks like you just need to make sure you get the right mounting hardware when you order the shock, but looking for someone who has real experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.law View Post
    Anybody using a Cane Creek shock on their Switchblade? Looking to upgrade and wondered if anyone has had any mounting issues with Cane Creek. Looks like you just need to make sure you get the right mounting hardware when you order the shock, but looking for someone who has real experience.
    Had one on my Mach 6 as,well as several friends. Had to send back three times with performance issues within six months,clunking,dead,squeeking. All of us had similar issues,word was that upper Pivot linkage put stress on shock causing premature failure.

    Seriously consider the Fox X2,I have had several CC on other bikes and performed great but X2 is all that in comparrison properly set up.

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    I had to send mine back 3 times on my Mach 6 as well - ironic. They too blamed the Yoke design, not the shock. I finally demanded a new one and since then, it has been very good. Will probably go X2 on my next bike.

    Not to change the subject, but it looks like there are several owners who have gone from a Mach 6 to a Switchblade. Currently looking at this bike as well as a Wreckoning, SB5.5, and a Jeffsy. Any downside to the Switchblade compared to the Mach 6. Love my bike, but I am ready for some new geometry.

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    Just got my 27.5+ wheels to complement my 29er wheels. Very impressed with the ability to roll over rock beds vs. navigating thru them. Climbed just as well as my 29er's, and a blast downhilling. Glad I got them!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgman25 View Post
    I had to send mine back 3 times on my Mach 6 as well - ironic. They too blamed the Yoke design, not the shock. I finally demanded a new one and since then, it has been very good. Will probably go X2 on my next bike.

    Not to change the subject, but it looks like there are several owners who have gone from a Mach 6 to a Switchblade. Currently looking at this bike as well as a Wreckoning, SB5.5, and a Jeffsy. Any downside to the Switchblade compared to the Mach 6. Love my bike, but I am ready for some new geometry.

    I came from a Mach 6 that I loved. The Mach 6 was definitely more playful; easier to toss around in the air and pop off just about anything. But no comparison in stiffness to the SB as it loves speed and hold lines better in rocky terrain. It's also very balanced in the air so bigger tables and drops with a transition seem effortless. The 29" setup and more centered riding position also helps me clean technical climbs that I found difficult on the Mach 6. I missed a bit of the plushness at first but got it dialed for my local trails so finally sold the 6. It takes a bit more work to finess the bike through some technical sections but a bit less rebound damping in the front and rear made a huge difference in improving it's playfulness.

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    Is the right X2 the 2017 with the EVOL can?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thimling View Post
    Just got my 27.5+ wheels to complement my 29er wheels. Very impressed with the ability to roll over rock beds vs. navigating thru them. Climbed just as well as my 29er's, and a blast downhilling. Glad I got them!!!
    Which wheelset did you go with? Custom build or off the shelf from somewhere?

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    I purchased a set of stock pivot wheels from my LBS. they came with the rims, rotors, tires and cassette the same as my XT/XTR build. No issues swapping them out and lines up perfectly.

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    Hi guys - I've been having issues with carbon cranks on my Switchblade. So far I've cracked 2 sets of Next SL G4's and 1 set of Sixc's.

    Traditionally, I'm a big fan of Shimano cranks - xt, xtr, saint have all treated me well in the past, not to mention great bottom bracket longevity.

    What options do I have that will fit the Switchblade that aren't total boat anchors as far as weight is concerned?

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ENDUBMUD View Post
    Hi guys - I've been having issues with carbon cranks on my Switchblade. So far I've cracked 2 sets of Next SL G4's and 1 set of Sixc's.

    Traditionally, I'm a big fan of Shimano cranks - xt, xtr, saint have all treated me well in the past, not to mention great bottom bracket longevity.

    What options do I have that will fit the Switchblade that aren't total boat anchors as far as weight is concerned?

    Thanks in advance!
    Wow. I ride in rocks and my Next SLs and SixCs have held up. Are you a Clyde or are you slamming your cranks into rocks? Are you doing big drops? Light is nice, but if you ain't ridin you ain't ridin.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    Wow. I ride in rocks and my Next SLs and SixCs have held up. Are you a Clyde or are you slamming your cranks into rocks? Are you doing big drops? Light is nice, but if you ain't ridin you ain't ridin.


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    Totally agree, I just want something that works at this point. I weigh 200 and not too many rocks in the northwest - just hucking and ripping. The failures come from the pedal insert area, not from ground strikes.

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    You're probably more aggressive than most including myself. I'm an XT fan boy but SRAM X9s and BBs are pretty tough. Could always try the new E13 carbon cranks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    You're probably more aggressive than most including myself. I'm an XT fan boy but SRAM X9s and BBs are pretty tough. Could always try the new E13 carbon cranks.


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    Are those available in at least a 173mm q factor and along w/ a 56mm chainline? It doesn't look like the x9's are and can't find info on the e13's right off.

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    Duh. I forgot about the new standard. Atlas? They are heavy though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Levelheadsteve View Post
    Does anyone here have the Race XT build? It's the cheapest one at $5,199. Just wondering how it rides and what it weighs.
    Have it. 29er in XL. First SB in Sweden?

    Was on a L alu Spez Enduro 29 from 2014 before. It was upgraded to full XT 1x11 driveline, Command Post IR etc.

    My SB came with the rear shock from one build kit up it seems. Got Factory and Kashima labels etc. Not complaining.

    The SLX stuff works great and Sunringle wheels seem solid.

    Don't care about weight.

    30t is ridiculous. I've ordered a 34t ring.
    Magic Mary replaced front tire. Otherwise the kit seems very well matched.

    I'm 190 cm and 110 kg so I need pretty much max psi in both fork and shock. Running with the tall cup. Has had some pedal strike issues but think I've found the hang of it and working pressures now.

    Very happy with it so far! It pedals great and the fit is perfect. I try to stand up a lot and it's a lot more responsive than my old Enduro doing so. Not missing anything going downwards either.
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    Finally got my SB up and running. Best technical climbing bike I have owned thus far.

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    The stock DT plus wheelset is pretty good and f/r Dirt Wizards have superb traction. Planning to migrate a Derby 29er wheelset from the old Lunchbox for faster rides.

    Full application of helicopter tape with shelter tape on chainstays and downtube. Bash guard and an oval 30T, might drop to a 28T. Stock shock is fine but definitely eyeballing the X2.

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    Great looking bike! I had the X2 on mine and prefer the DVO Topaz that I just installed over the X2.
    On the X2, I wasn't able to get rid of the bobbing up and down while pedaling without using the lockout switch. With the lockout switch, it's absolutely firm - more than I would expect.
    The DVO is smoother on washboard roads and does not bob up and down at all while pedal or standing out of the saddle - it's an overall much more comfortable ride as well. Climbing is more efficient than the X2 even with the DVO wide open.
    I ride primarily at South Mountain in Phoenix where most of the riding is XC with some very light downhill on Ranger, National and Javelina trails.

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    Just rode National the other week on a trip through Phoenix and Sedona. Awesome technical riding, Waterfall was nice n zesty. Will look into the DVO Topaz thanks!

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    Joined the Switchblade club this past weekend! I'm still getting 'er dialed in but first impressions are solid. My build is mostly stock Team XX1 29'er with the Float X2 upgrade. I swapped out bars stem, grips, and saddle just to get my contact points where I like them, bolted on a One-up bash guide, and swapped in a 2.5 Minion DHF WT up front. My bike shipped with the 17 mm lower headset cup for 27.5+ installed so I left it in for now.

    First impressions, the stiffness is just off the charts. I've never experienced a 29'er with such point-and-shoot precision. I have quite a bit of time on the 29'er Reynolds Blacklabels in 142 form and the difference between that and Superboost is pretty significant. Pedaling performance is best described as snappy. Even though my bike built up with no considerations for weight, it has a real sense of urgency jamming up fire roads and very responsive to out of the saddle efforts with the X2 pro-pedal engaged.

    I'm very curious to see how I feel about the climbing position and increased reach with the intended zero-stack cup in place. Reach drops from 440 to 430 with the 17 mm cup and it certainly feels a little short compared to my medium Firebird which sits at 445. On the up side, the extra 17 mm stack makes the Switchblade super playful, it's effortless to bring the front wheel up, barely have to weight shift back. 29" wheels + 17 mm cup = fun mode? I have a Works -2 headset on the way to play with as well. I really like running a 35 mm stem but even with 785 bars to calm it, the front gets a little nervous at speed with the 66.5 HTA (that also means it's quite responsive at low speeds, tradeoffs...).

    And yeah, I did manage to fit a small bottle and cage but the positioning is not dialed quite yet. TBD if I can get it to where it fits well.


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    I'm really interested in the One Up Bash Guide you installed. What part number is it and where did you get it? How difficult is it to install? Any issues with it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    Joined the Switchblade club this past weekend! I'm still getting 'er dialed in but first impressions are solid. My build is mostly stock Team XX1 29'er with the Float X2 upgrade. I swapped out bars stem, grips, and saddle just to get my contact points where I like them, bolted on a One-up bash guide, and swapped in a 2.5 Minion DHF WT up front. My bike shipped with the 17 mm lower headset cup for 27.5+ installed so I left it in for now.

    First impressions, the stiffness is just off the charts. I've never experienced a 29'er with such point-and-shoot precision. I have quite a bit of time on the 29'er Reynolds Blacklabels in 142 form and the difference between that and Superboost is pretty significant. Pedaling performance is best described as snappy. Even though my bike built up with no considerations for weight, it has a real sense of urgency jamming up fire roads and very responsive to out of the saddle efforts with the X2 pro-pedal engaged.

    I'm very curious to see how I feel about the climbing position and increased reach with the intended zero-stack cup in place. Reach drops from 440 to 430 with the 17 mm cup and it certainly feels a little short compared to my medium Firebird which sits at 445. On the up side, the extra 17 mm stack makes the Switchblade super playful, it's effortless to bring the front wheel up, barely have to weight shift back. 29" wheels + 17 mm cup = fun mode? I have a Works -2 headset on the way to play with as well. I really like running a 35 mm stem but even with 785 bars to calm it, the front gets a little nervous at speed with the 66.5 HTA (that also means it's quite responsive at low speeds, tradeoffs...).

    And yeah, I did manage to fit a small bottle and cage but the positioning is not dialed quite yet. TBD if I can get it to where it fits well.

    That looks amazing, congratulations! It's the first and only pic I've been able to find with Eagle XX1 installed and an X2, exactly the spec I'd be looking at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thimling View Post
    I'm really interested in the One Up Bash Guide you installed. What part number is it and where did you get it? How difficult is it to install? Any issues with it?
    No problems, super easy to install. You can find them at most large online retailers, this is the exact part:
    https://www.oneupcomponents.com/prod...shguide-iscg05

    I also really like the MRP's AMG and SXG guides which will also bolt right up without hassle:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Estolworthy View Post
    Here is my final design to prevent frame damage. I used rubber and zip ties. I tested it today and it works great.





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    Nice idea on the thicker rubber cover! This has worked well for me so far. Doesn't seem like it will do any rubbing or cause any wear either. Just a cut out from an old tube.
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    So if I drop 5k or so in this bike I have to jerry rig a piece of rubber down there?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek200 View Post
    So if I drop 5k or so in this bike I have to jerry rig a piece of rubber down there?


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    You could Derek rig it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derek200 View Post
    So if I drop 5k or so in this bike I have to jerry rig a piece of rubber down there?


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    Pivot is releasing a guard that will protect the linkage area. Its pretty simple and basic but will get the job done. Should be released within 1-2 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Just J View Post
    That looks amazing, congratulations! It's the first and only pic I've been able to find with Eagle XX1 installed and an X2, exactly the spec I'd be looking at.
    Thanks. Hard to go wrong with Eagle and if you live somewhere with trails and have the inclination to take advantage of the X2, it's a pretty sweet shock. I'm still dialing it in but have X2's on a few other bikes including a Firebird and have nothing but good things to say about it. I'm running 185 psi for about 16mm sag for my read-to-ride weight between 175 and 180 lbs. I've been spinning the dials on every ride but haven't gone back to check where I've settle so far. I keep creeping up the fork pressure and volume spacers to try to match the X2. I feel like I'm getting close to a balance point with the 36 currently at 77 psi with 2 orange and 1 blue spacer and about 7 clicks of LSC and it's really standing up nicely now while not feeling harsh. I pretty much leave the FIT 4 in the medium compression damping position all the time.

    Note that I had to modify a very low-profile Arundel carbon sideloader to fit bottle inside the front triangle with the X2. The official party line is that a bottle/cage doesn't fit with an X2 and I'd agree with that statement. I've noticed a few folks with X2's trying to make bottles work so I thought I'd bring it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    Thanks. Hard to go wrong with Eagle and if you live somewhere with trails and have the inclination to take advantage of the X2, it's a pretty sweet shock. I'm still dialing it in but have X2's on a few other bikes including a Firebird and have nothing but good things to say about it. I'm running 185 psi for about 16mm sag for my read-to-ride weight between 175 and 180 lbs. I've been spinning the dials on every ride but haven't gone back to check where I've settle so far. I keep creeping up the fork pressure and volume spacers to try to match the X2. I feel like I'm getting close to a balance point with the 36 currently at 77 psi with 2 orange and 1 blue spacer and about 7 clicks of LSC and it's really standing up nicely now while not feeling harsh. I pretty much leave the FIT 4 in the medium compression damping position all the time.

    Note that I had to modify a very low-profile Arundel carbon sideloader to fit bottle inside the front triangle with the X2. The official party line is that a bottle/cage doesn't fit with an X2 and I'd agree with that statement. I've noticed a few folks with X2's trying to make bottles work so I thought I'd bring it up.
    I had the same issue with my X2, I was constantly changing the settings to find something that kind of worked on the trail. This was not the case with the DVO... I set it once and it's right where I want it. It was so easy to set up and the ride is now better than the X2.

    I have a large Switchblade and a CamelBak Podium Chill 21 oz Insulated water bottle fit with both the X2 and DVO in any water bottle cage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryknown View Post
    I had the same issue with my X2, I was constantly changing the settings to find something that kind of worked on the trail. This was not the case with the DVO... I set it once and it's right where I want it. It was so easy to set up and the ride is now better than the X2.

    I have a large Switchblade and a CamelBak Podium Chill 21 oz Insulated water bottle fit with both the X2 and DVO in any water bottle cage.
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    I didn't mean to imply that the X2 is fiddly or needs to be changed constantly but there is a setup period where typically I'll go through several tweaks per ride to get it just right. On the other hand, I totally appreciate what you're saying. The X2 is a beast of a shock but you need to riding beastly trails on a regular basis to make it worth it. I'd happily ride the DPS, a DVO, or several other great shocks on the market under the right conditions. And as you noted, makes the water bottle setup a lot easier.

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    Got another ride in last night. I've decided that while I won't be leaving the 17 mm lower cup in long-term that is darn fun. The front end is so light that descending is a near constant front-wheel high, pivot on the rear axle affair. Hooligan riding at its finest albeit, probably not the fastest way down the hill. For those concerned with pedal strikes, you can be almost reckless with the 29" wheel and 17 mm cup combo, even running flat pedals.

    Climbing is still pretty darn good with the tall cup but I have to lean forward just a touch more than I'd prefer. I'm running my saddle all the way forward but the short 35 mm stem limits my weight shift. The 35 mm stem is also a bit too quick steering with the stock HTA for fast trails but is a blast on the really twisty-turny stuff. Hoping to have my -2 Works headset in for the weekend to calm things down a bit. And to be be clear, I'm not suggesting the SB geo is flawed, just that I choose to run a very short stem which requires a slack HTA to keep things calm at high speed. As it is, the bike is an absolute ripper for most of the low to moderate speed AM trails around here.

    I still can't get over how stiff and responsive this platform is. We've been riding a lot of mud and wet roots lately and getting this bike on line and holding it is such a treat. I can totally see now how guys like Noah (Sears) are racing this bike on rowdy courses with excellent results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    I didn't mean to imply that the X2 is fiddly or needs to be changed constantly but there is a setup period where typically I'll go through several tweaks per ride to get it just right. On the other hand, I totally appreciate what you're saying. The X2 is a beast of a shock but you need to riding beastly trails on a regular basis to make it worth it. I'd happily ride the DPS, a DVO, or several other great shocks on the market under the right conditions. And as you noted, makes the water bottle setup a lot easier.
    I absolutely agree, "Under the right conditions" is the important part. I do more climbing than riding flowy downhill trails that include jumps. The water bottle fit even better with the X2.

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    Considering an upgrade to the stock Float. I have a new DB Air CS (from warrantied Inline) but I am concerned from previous comments that it may have reliability issues when used on a Switchblade. The X2 is tempting but really want effective lockout/pro-pedal/descending modes. Looking into the DVO Topaz. Anybody have more detailed info/experiences with the DB Air CS or other suggestions?

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    Considering an upgrade to the stock Float. I have a new DB Air CS (from warrantied Inline) but I am concerned from previous comments that it may have reliability issues when used on a Switchblade. The X2 is tempting but really want effective lockout/pro-pedal/descending modes. Looking into the DVO Topaz. Anybody have more detailed info/experiences with the DB Air CS or other suggestions?
    I've had several CC air and coil shocks including CS and IL versions and have generally experienced solid reliability with only 1 complete failure over a nearly a 9 year run. The tuneability is excellent and it's the only shock that you can run with the CS full open, full closed, or anywhere in between. That said, the air spring curve feels a bit old school compared to the new gen Fox and the breakaway force is generally higher IME. As much as I love Cane Creek, you might actually find it to be a 1 step forward, 2 steps back scenario. I now have both a Firebird and a Switchblade, both with X2's and IMO the shortcomings of the X2's ProPedal tune is purely (at least mostly) academic. The SB with the X2 tuned well climbs as well in the open position as most bikes with ProPedal engaged. With the ProPedal on you get awesome pedal mashing support for out of the saddle charging.

    I can't comment on the DVO, might be a solid option but I have zero time on the Topaz.

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    Does the DVO work better than the Stock Fox shock? I would like more performance with the shock, but don't really want to add much weight or spend $600.00. The DVO at 330 grams and $419.00 looks like a good option.

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    Had a dvo on the sb when x2 was being fixed to me it was useless, bucked me off the bike no matter what i did with settings. got the x2 back and there is simply no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenwood72 View Post
    Had a dvo on the sb when x2 was being fixed to me it was useless, bucked me off the bike no matter what i did with settings. got the x2 back and there is simply no comparison.
    That's how I felt with the X2 - it was useless since wide-open made it a pogo-stick and the climb switch enabled was much too firm.

    The DPS Fox shock worked great and better than the X2 as well, but the DPS shock got very hot riding short downhill sections (1 mile) here in Phoenix.

    I just took the Switchblade with the DVO to Sedona for 25 miles of riding trails like Hogwash, Easy Breezy, Mystic, Broken Arrow, Mescal, and Canyon of Fools. It performed amazing. I do have three bands in the positive section of the shock chamber and one band in the negative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryknown View Post
    it was useless since wide-open made it a pogo-stick
    I completely respect your choice to move to the DVO and it sounds like a great shock for your purposes but I wanted to point out for others that that if your X2 made your bike feel like a pogo-stick wide-open then there was either a setup issue or a problem with the shock. X2 setup can be near to overwhelming to even the most seasoned riders but it does have all the bells and whistles to dial in the open mode performance any way you want it (within reason). Usually when I see a complaint like this it's due to some combination of not quite enough PSI, too little LSC, and/or too little LSR.

    As for the performance with the ProPedal enabled, yeah, it's quite firm and not for everyone. Personally, I like that attribute in most situations but I understand why many might not. Riding in the desert SW in particular with all the ledges is not the best place to use an X2 with ProPedal engaged, it just makes the rear want to hang-up.

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    What he said, also you may simply not be rad enough for an x2-sorry!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    I completely respect your choice to move to the DVO and it sounds like a great shock for your purposes but I wanted to point out for others that that if your X2 made your bike feel like a pogo-stick wide-open then there was either a setup issue or a problem with the shock. X2 setup can be near to overwhelming to even the most seasoned riders but it does have all the bells and whistles to dial in the open mode performance any way you want it (within reason). Usually when I see a complaint like this it's due to some combination of not quite enough PSI, too little LSC, and/or too little LSR.
    Yep, the X2 is more difficult than most shocks to set up, which is why we have another forum topic just on how to set the X2 for their Switchblade. After I could not get the X2 where I wanted it, I hired a suspension expert to meet me at local trail to set it up with me. We readjusted and retested the shock over and over for a few hours. While this made the X2 better, the shock still had a lot of movement while pedaling unless the climb switch was engaged. That was not the case with the DVO. I put it on, set the sag, and added the bands based on recommendations I found on another reviewer's site. I spent about two hours total setting the DVO up and on the first ride, it rode better (for me) than the X2.

    Ultimately, I did not enjoy the constant fiddling with the X2 without getting the desired results. The X2 was not for me - I'm glad it's working for you. But, if there is someone else wondering if anyone likes the DVO Topaz on the Switchblade, I do.

    I appreciate the discussion. By the way, Sedona was awesome. It's a great place to ride!

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    Just got back from Sedona. The X2 is a little squishy on flatter trails. Initially drove to Yuma for good weather and I had to firm up the shock for the smooth trails there. Overall I like it much better than the DPS. I am sending the fork and shock to Avalanche. Not really necessary, but nothing but the best for my baby. I personally don't think the SB is a good choice if your trails don't have a good bit of chunk.


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    I just ordered the Fox X2 for my Switchblade and I'm looking for an initial set up to get started on tuning it. I weigh 195lbs ready to ride. Anybody have input on set up to get me started?

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    G law go to pivot cycles setup page. They have good detailed info for x2 setup. I used their recommendations and I'm very happy. The SB is very good w this shock

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.law View Post
    I just ordered the Fox X2 for my Switchblade and I'm looking for an initial set up to get started on tuning it. I weigh 195lbs ready to ride. Anybody have input on set up to get me started?
    HoJo is right... Others have said what's on the Pivot site is a great starting point. Here's my settings.
    Rear Shock = Fox x2 2017 Post Recall Purchase @ 215 PSI
    LSC = 13 ( all settings are from closed)
    HSC = 3
    LSR = 6
    HSR = 12

    I am 6' with shoes and weigh 210lbs geared up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoJo View Post
    G law go to pivot cycles setup page. They have good detailed info for x2 setup. I used their recommendations and I'm very happy. The SB is very good w this shock
    That's what I did. I'm happy with the results.


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    Hy guys ! Some pictures with the Switch, still loving riding with this bike

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    My beloved Switchblade was stolen from my garage in San Diego a few weeks ago

    Serial number VC16H02286

    Size XL blue frame, Fox 36 Talas 160/130 fork, Fox X2 shock, Fox Transfer dropper post (gold), SRAM Eagle drivetrain, SRAM Guide Ultimate brakes (silver), 29er wheelset with "black aura" sparkly Onyx hubs, Nox carbon rims, Schwalbe Nobby Nic 29x2.6" tires, and XTR 180mm rotors



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    Ok drive train experts, here ya go.....

    1. I switched the SixC cranks from my 429T to my Switchblade and put the Next SLs on my 429T. I also swapped spindles. The 429T is creaking again after changing the BB and the preload collar keeps loosening. It only creaks when loading the non drive side and it is very loud. Everything is lubed and tight. My shop has been doing the work. It is not a Pivot dealer.

    2. The front derailleur on my Switchblade seems to go out of adjustment now after swapping cranks. I don't know if this a use issue and will require periodic adjustments. I'm wondering if this and the aforementioned issues are second to not being able to set up the bike properly. Dialing in the chain line has proven difficult.

    Could the spindle lengths so off that dialing in the chain line with spacers is impossible? The spindle lengths on 68/73mm Next SL and SixC cranks are different. At this point I'm thinking swapping the cranks back although I can't remember what the original spacer locations are.


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    The stock spacer setup for Next SL cranks on a Switchblade will be 3 1mm spacers & 1 2.5 mm spacer on the Non-Drive side plus the dust seal, 1 1mm spacer & 1 2.5mm spacer on the drive side plus dust seal (running a 30t ring). Not sure why the preload collar is loosening up, is the pinch bolt maybe stripped? I really haven't done much front der setup with that bike as most people are going to 1x setups now but I can't think of any reason why it would be going out of adjustment. It's the side swing FD? Those have been bulletproof in my experience so far...
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    Ok drive train experts, here ya go.....

    1. I switched the SixC cranks from my 429T to my Switchblade and put the Next SLs on my 429T. I also swapped spindles. The 429T is creaking again after changing the BB and the preload collar keeps loosening. It only creaks when loading the non drive side and it is very loud. Everything is lubed and tight. My shop has been doing the work. It is not a Pivot dealer.

    2. The front derailleur on my Switchblade seems to go out of adjustment now after swapping cranks. I don't know if this a use issue and will require periodic adjustments. I'm wondering if this and the aforementioned issues are second to not being able to set up the bike properly. Dialing in the chain line has proven difficult.

    Could the spindle lengths so off that dialing in the chain line with spacers is impossible? The spindle lengths on 68/73mm Next SL and SixC cranks are different. At this point I'm thinking swapping the cranks back although I can't remember what the original spacer locations are.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    The stock spacer setup for Next SL cranks on a Switchblade will be 3 1mm spacers & 1 2.5 mm spacer on the Non-Drive side plus the dust seal, 1 1mm spacer & 1 2.5mm spacer on the drive side plus dust seal (running a 30t ring). Not sure why the preload collar is loosening up, is the pinch bolt maybe stripped? I really haven't done much front der setup with that bike as most people are going to 1x setups now but I can't think of any reason why it would be going out of adjustment. It's the side swing FD? Those have been bulletproof in my experience so far...
    It's Di2 on the Switchblade and 1X on the 429T. Thanks.


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    Ahhh, Di2! I'l ask around at the shop and see if anybody has heard of that happening, may be a programming issue. I know it's setup to auto-trim itself thru the gear range but maybe there's something happening with that.
    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    It's Di2 on the Switchblade and 1X on the 429T. Thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Krompa View Post
    I'm 190 cm and 110 kg so I need pretty much max psi in both fork and shock. Running with the tall cup. Has had some pedal strike issues but think I've found the hang of it and working pressures now.
    So "max psi" was a bit false...
    The recommendations below are from Pivot web site's PDF. It's a bit confusing that they use other methods about dial turning and pressures than what Fox manuals but maybe the custom tuning needs it to be so?

    Fox manuals say:
    2016 & 2017 36 FLOAT maximum air pressure is 125psi
    2016 & 2017 EVOL equipped FLOAT DPS shocks have a maximum pressure of 350psi

    My (110 kg = 243 pounds) settings now are:

    299 psi
    10 clicks clockwise. Recommended is between 5-10.
    Mark 2 on the black inner dial.
    Puts me right on the sag indicator line.

    99 psi
    8 clicks clockwise on red dial below fork leg. Recommended is 5-8.
    8 clicks clockwise on top. The "center" click that you feel. Recommended is 2-8.
    This puts me around 25mm sag. 23mm = 15%, 30mm = 20%

    Will experiment a bit more with the dialing but this feels pretty good when going fast.

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    Industry Nine "system" wheels???

    Anybody put a set of I9 system wheels (the ones with threaded hubs and thick ano/AL spokes) on their SB yet? You have to use the DH150 hub with 157 endcaps. However the wider super boost spacing is not available yet in these hubs, just the classic j-bends. I just wanted to know if anyone has used the DH hubs and especially if anyone has compared them to the stock j-bends. My concern is this: Are the system wheels with DH157 hubs, thick AL spokes but narrower flange spacing as stiff as wheels with the regular j-bend spokes with the wider flange (super-boost) spacing? Thx in advance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyg2001 View Post
    My beloved Switchblade was stolen from my garage in San Diego a few weeks ago

    Serial number VC16H02286
    Oh man I'm really sorry to hear this. I hope the despicable thief suffers a 1,000 years of painful diarrhea in the afterlife.

    I'm surely not trying to pour salt into your wound, but I wanna take the opportunity to recommend to everyone to chain up your good bikes with heavy chain and pad locks to anything sturdy (rafters, structural pillars, other heavy objects. I use old inner tubes on the chain to keep from scratching the frames. One or two old/cheap bikes left unlocked as sacrificial, quick get away bikes can also be useful to keep them away from your precious steed.

    Again, really sorry this happened to you...

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    Got an X2 on my bike after a month of riding the DPS. For my type of riding, the X2 is AWESOME so far. A lot more edge grip and keeps the bike more composed on bigger hits. Haven't taken it down any brake/shock roasters yet, but I am looking forward to it.

    Oh, and can still run a 21oz water bottle, perks to XL frames and beefy shocks

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    Any 6'5", 6'6" or even taller SB owners here?
    IMTB

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    Now I just have to wait for the snow to melt..
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    Has anyone tried a ShockWiz on their Switchblade? I just upgraded my shock to the Fox X2 and I'm using the ShockWiz to tune it. Curious if anyone else is using the ShockWiz and what their experience has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.law View Post
    Has anyone tried a ShockWiz on their Switchblade? I just upgraded my shock to the Fox X2 and I'm using the ShockWiz to tune it. Curious if anyone else is using the ShockWiz and what their experience has been.
    Not yet and I plan on using one. How has your experience been?

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    Not yet and I plan on using one. How has your experience been?

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    I used it on both front (36 RC2) and rear. I felt like in the "Playful" mode it took away from climbing and suggested a setting with too much pedal bob (even with climb switch on). Obviously I could add to the LSC, but I rode it several times with the X2 and honestly, I like the DPS better for all around. The DPS rides higher in the stroke and in middle mode it climbs very well. The X2 might just be overkill for this bike. On the DH I didn't think it added enough to justify using it year around. Mine came with the X2 so I ran it first and then bought a DPS take-off later. Just my personal opinion of course.

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    For sale people... $6900 which includes a set of 29" wheels and tires as well! And speaking of the X2 that can be worked in the deal too ;-) Frame/ fork slightly used, everything else is Team XTR build brand new never ridden!
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    So far I think the ShockWiz has been a great learning tool. I initially thought it would be a set and forget thing but that's not how I have been using it. I ride with it either on the shock or fork every ride. Instead of changing the setting after every session I end up just reviewing the detection and suggestions in the various modes and really thinking about what it's telling me about how my set up is working. What I learning is that isn't a "perfect" set up, there are many variables. Your riding style makes a huge difference in set up. I rode a test lap aggressively and tuned my shock for playful. I kept at it until I got a score of 98. The next day I went back and rode the same lap but not as aggressively. My playful score dropped to 84 and it gave me a new set of suggestions. At first I thought well this thing is no help, but the more I looked at it the more I understood it makes perfect sense. Bottom line if you want ShockWiz to give you a set and forget set up it will, but it's much better to use it learning tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g.law View Post
    So far I think the ShockWiz has been a great learning tool. I initially thought it would be a set and forget thing but that's not how I have been using it. I ride with it either on the shock or fork every ride. Instead of changing the setting after every session I end up just reviewing the detection and suggestions in the various modes and really thinking about what it's telling me about how my set up is working. What I learning is that isn't a "perfect" set up, there are many variables. Your riding style makes a huge difference in set up. I rode a test lap aggressively and tuned my shock for playful. I kept at it until I got a score of 98. The next day I went back and rode the same lap but not as aggressively. My playful score dropped to 84 and it gave me a new set of suggestions. At first I thought well this thing is no help, but the more I looked at it the more I understood it makes perfect sense. Bottom line if you want ShockWiz to give you a set and forget set up it will, but it's much better to use it learning tool.
    Thank you! Did you buy a set or rent a set?

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.law View Post
    So far I think the ShockWiz has been a great learning tool. I initially thought it would be a set and forget thing but that's not how I have been using it. I ride with it either on the shock or fork every ride. Instead of changing the setting after every session I end up just reviewing the detection and suggestions in the various modes and really thinking about what it's telling me about how my set up is working. What I learning is that isn't a "perfect" set up, there are many variables. Your riding style makes a huge difference in set up. I rode a test lap aggressively and tuned my shock for playful. I kept at it until I got a score of 98. The next day I went back and rode the same lap but not as aggressively. My playful score dropped to 84 and it gave me a new set of suggestions. At first I thought well this thing is no help, but the more I looked at it the more I understood it makes perfect sense. Bottom line if you want ShockWiz to give you a set and forget set up it will, but it's much better to use it learning tool.
    Well said, and I agree with your reasoning looking back on my set up sessions with it. Thanks for your insight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SX450 View Post
    For sale people... $6900 which includes a set of 29" wheels and tires as well! And speaking of the X2 that can be worked in the deal too ;-) Frame/ fork slightly used, everything else is Team XTR build brand new never ridden!
    What size?


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    Large. It's listed in the classifieds here on MTBR.

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    Nice bike, someone should jump on this. Already have mine or I would jump on this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thimling View Post
    Nice bike, someone should jump on this. Already have mine or I would jump on this!

    Thanks man!

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    I bought my ShockWiz. The other thing I've figured out is that there are multiple ways to "skin the cat". Sometimes ShockWiz will suggest something like slow down rebound to correct say pogo. But you can increase HSC instead and get an improved score. You really have to look at the detections and suggestions together and think about what is going on. Makes you really appreciate how complex your suspension is and how all the setting interact with one another.
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    Racking up the rides and really digging this bike. My fork is now set to 160 mm and psi has crept up to 85 psi. I also swapped in a Works -2 headset and am sitting just a little over 65 now. I tend to like bikes on the slack side and it really helps calm things down at speed with the 35 mm stem I choose to run. Overall, the front end is feeling great now. Today, I opened up the X2 and added a 3rd vol spacer (2 were in there from the factory) to pickup a little support and bottom-out resistance. It's closer now but still managed to bottom pretty good over-cooking a jump tonight. Gonna try a lil more HSC before I go to 4 spacers. I have sag at just over 30% at 15.5 mm, which feels pretty good climbing and traction is great. Oh, and threw on a 2.4 DHR out back since it has been so muddy, looks tiny with the massive clearance the Switchblade has.

    Oh and after a bit more tweaking my bottle cage, any 21oz bottle I have on hand fits with ease now.

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    Nice,75.8 PSI in 160mm Rc2, 30% and 204 PSI X2, 30% Sag set up with ShockWiz, just a few Psi can make a big difference overall on performance. I weigh approx 190lbs with gear.

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    Ah, yeah it would be helpful to specify my weight. I'm about 175 ready to ride.

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    Spent a bunch more time fiddling with the X2 this weekend and think I'm getting rather close to optimal settings for me. Thought I'd share a few observations.

    I'm 5'8", about 175 lbs ready to ride.
    My riding style is advanced-hack with moments of smooth between long stretches of bull-in-china-shop

    I started out with aroun 180 psi in the shock and the knobs close to out of the box settings while I spent the first week getting the fork working. Somewhere around 2 orange spacers in a 160 Fox 36 (bumped my fork travel from 150 to 160) is pretty typical for me. Not surprisingly, I settled on 2 orange and a blue. But, perhaps due to running 160 mm front with 135 mm rear, I kept feeling like I needed more support up front. Normally, I run somewhere in the mid 70's psi in this fork but after several incremental tests, I settled on 85 psi, 5 clicks LSC, and the mid compression setting.

    With that, back to the X2.

    I started at 180 psi and was registering right around 30% sag but bottoming all the time. Next I bumped to 182, sag didn't change much, bottoming continued. Bumped to 185 psi, sag still about the same, still bottoming. Added 1 volume spacer (2 were already in there and max is 4) to the X2 and bottoming improved but still not quite controlling the end stroke. Added a couple clicks of HSC, nope. Bumped psi to 190 and showing ,a year 1/2 mm less sag but now the back end is skipping all over the place. Backed off 2 clicks of HSC and added 1 click LSR and booyah! Not sure it's as good as it can get but the rear is really tracking well now with no harsh bottom-outs. Prob gonna try a 4th vol spacer and see how that goes.

    I realize I haven't posted specific clicker settings, I need to get those yet but still thought this might be helpful to some. Particularly, it interesting how close you can end up to 30% sag across a range of psi but the on-trail feel really changes.

    BTW, I'm using a Works Connection digit pump with a Works Connection zero loss adapter to accurately set pressures.

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    any tall people here? 6'5", 5'6", 6'7"...?

    the firebird suggests 6'2"-6'7", the switchblade with similar reach/stack numbers says >6'2".

    I am 6'6" and was sitting on a xl trail429 recently. felt pretty cramped...
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    I am 5' 11" with short legs and long torso. I went with the Large Switchblade knowing I would need the reach and I wanted to keep the stock stem. Fits me perfectly running both 29er and 27+ wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomShakkaLagga View Post
    any tall people here? 6'5", 5'6", 6'7"...?

    the firebird suggests 6'2"-6'7", the switchblade with similar reach/stack numbers says >6'2".

    I am 6'6" and was sitting on a xl trail429 recently. felt pretty cramped...
    The 429T is definitely smaller in each size than the SB.

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    For sure ^^^. I'm 6'2, 34 inseam, so pretty "normal" proportions with long arms. My 429T is XL and my Blade was L. Both fit well.
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    Zero loss adaptor? Where please?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suns_PSD View Post
    Zero loss adaptor? Where please?
    Here ya go, cool little tool
    https://worksconnection.com/details.php?id=1261

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    Quote Originally Posted by Err View Post
    What's the point of that? If your valve isn't broken, you don't lose air from a fork or shock when you disconnect the pump. You lose air from the pump during disconnection and it takes air to fill the pump upon connection, but that's all the air loss you get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    What's the point of that? If your valve isn't broken, you don't lose air from a fork or shock when you disconnect the pump. You lose air from the pump during disconnection and it takes air to fill the pump upon connection, but that's all the air loss you get.
    What you describe is how we all hope it will work but in practice, any shock pump I've used fails to hold the seal while releasing the Schrader valve plunger. The Works connection adapter solves that problem. I totally understand that we're talking about a very small amount of air but when you get into fine tuning in very small increments, it can be invaluable. If all you're trying to accomplish is to get really close to a target psi and sag value, it might be overkill.

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    So, for the record, I am not for or against zero less adaptor, but what I have come learn is to compensate for the small bit of loss can be offset by adding a couple lbs in inflation on initial inflation knowing I will lose a couple lbs. it is not exact, but directionally correct.

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    Switchblade and friends into the Wild



    Still loving this bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomShakkaLagga View Post
    any tall people here? 6'5", 5'6", 6'7"...?

    the firebird suggests 6'2"-6'7", the switchblade with similar reach/stack numbers says >6'2".

    I am 6'6" and was sitting on a xl trail429 recently. felt pretty cramped...
    As already noted, the fit of the 429T is significantly different than either the SB or FB, particularly in reach and front center. Not being in the 6'5"-6'7" range, I can't speak to the fit of the xl for that height range. At 6', the L 429T is a bit cramped for me, especially in the reach department, but the L SB is very roomy, to the point that a lot of people in my height range are sizing down. I'd still go L if I purchased, but it's close. Much closer to the middle ground of the two sizes than most of the other Pivot models, and I've ridden the majority of them.


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    Agree with you. It all comes down to whether you like being on a small nimble frame or a larger frame. I personally like the larger frame to blow thru the rock gardens, fast down hill and stable climbs...plus I like the extra reach in the cockpit. I come from XC so I am used to some extra reach. BTW....I love the slack geometry with the Switchblade vs. my traditional XC setup. And, I have an XC 29er bike specifically for XC and the Switchblade for true mountain biking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BoomShakkaLagga View Post
    any tall people here? 6'5", 5'6", 6'7"...?

    the firebird suggests 6'2"-6'7", the switchblade with similar reach/stack numbers says >6'2".

    I am 6'6" and was sitting on a xl trail429 recently. felt pretty cramped...
    The Switchblade has an extra 50mm of reach over the 429T in XL (485mm vs 435mm), so it might be better. I'd still suggest a test ride first though. If you want a sure thing, Santa Cruz makes both the Tallboy and Hightower in XXL, which they say are for 6'3"-6'7" and have a reach of 505mm. Also, XL Konas are really long, with a reach of ~510mm.

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    Continued to be impressed with the Switchblade with 27.5+ setup. It is a great technical climber and very composed on loose surfaces. Still need to fine tune bar height and suspension tuning. Should have a 29er wheelset next week to add to the mix.

    Planning to install a 28t oval cinch chainring. Want to maintain optimal chainline. Boost version or regular? Flipped? OneUp Switch Cinch Superboost sounds great but not available till June.

    Worth it to bump up travel to 160? Would it adversely affect steep climbing? Maybe go to the zero-stack lower cup then? Interested to hear others' experiences with different wheel sizes, fork travel, headset.

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    DOES ANYONE NEED AEFFECT CRANKS FOR THEIR SWITCHBLADE?

    I upgraded to Next SL, but the stock aeffects have a longer spindle for the SB so not a huge market to sell them... will sell them cheap if a fellow SB owner needs a replacement for some beat up cranks or something. 175mm

    Also, I'm two rides in after swapping to a CC DB air IL shock. Very stoked on it so far. I'm sure it won't hang with the X2 for long descents and big hits, but the feel and tun-ability already blows the DPS out of the water by a long shot. Getting much more traction, while also getting much more support and pop. And tons of water bottle room

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironxcross View Post
    the stock aeffects have a longer spindle for the SB so not a huge market to sell them...
    I thought that Pivot used a stock Aeffect crank with the ring flipped? Or at least that is what they referenced during product rollout/announcement PR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by InertiaMan View Post
    I thought that Pivot used a stock Aeffect crank with the ring flipped? Or at least that is what they referenced during product rollout/announcement PR.
    That's what I thought, hence my genius plan to recoup some cost from selling my take-offs... but turns out you CAN use a normal Aeffect with flipped ring, however for OE builds Pivot gets custom spindled Aeffect cranksets that are wider so you don't have to flip the ring. Stupid move by me, but I guess it's nice of them to spec the bikes properly and not with flipped rings.

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    I'm guessing the wider Aeffect cranks with non-boost rings would be not to far off the chainline for Boost 148 bikes. You might be able to sell them off cheap to a non-fussy buyer.

    As I needed 170mm cranks, I bought a pair of stock Aeffect cranks and I'm running them with flipped standard chainrings. Works perfectly too.

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    Pivot Switchblade-dsc07548.jpg

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    I have had the bike two months now and finally got everything dialed in as I like. Read the info from this forum so I'll show some pictures back.
    And here is even more pictures taken during the evolution of the bike.

    https://goo.gl/photos/6hQFmfQqi9pTnaL36

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    ^^^^ NICE! Love the red saddle and your eschewing of the obligatory riser bar. I think they look dumb even though mine has one. But you need a dropper post to get the full enjoyment out of that bike! Any reason you don't have one, especially as you said you have it dialed in now? Just curious, maybe you just don't like 'em...
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