Pivot LES - Reviews?

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  • 10-04-2012
    blum585
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Has anyone been able to throw a leg over the New Pivot Les yet? Curious to see how this stacks up against other Carbon Hardtail 29ers out there - especially in the S.S. configuration.
  • 10-08-2012
    westin
    Do not believe it's part of the Demo because it's months away from production.
  • 10-08-2012
    kenbentit
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    We actually have 2 demo bikes built up and they saw plenty of riding at Dealer camp and Interbike....The demos are geared versions though...I took the Orange bike out for a short ride before Outdoor Demo and it was a lot of fun. Light, stiff and crazy fast. I'm not really a 29er guy but this one jumped nice and I even managed to get the manual down pretty nicely after learning the balance point. I kinda want one now :o
  • 10-09-2012
    westin
    That was the first bike I asked for at the local demo a few months ago. I had "to settle" for riding the insanely awesome 429c.
  • 10-13-2012
    rehammer81
    I'm in the market to build up one of the superlight hardtail offering for some racing this year. I went to Outerbike in Moab this past weekend. I rode both the new Pivot Les and the Rocky Mountain Vertex. Both felt great! Incredibly nimble despite their fairly slack head head angles. Must be the super short (17") chainstays keeping the wheelbase short. Now Moab slickrock is not the ideal world for a hardtail in my personal opinion. I was much more comfortable out there on the full squish but the two hardtails handled it well and were a lot of fun because you could really throw them around. Super easy to manual over cracks/lips/ledges/etc. In this case I think the shallower head angles helped keep the steep techy descents from being too sketchy but didn't negatively effect the climbing. I rode both on a techy loop I was using to test full squish 650b bikes as well because I was looking for a buddy I got separated from. The bikes handled everything great for a hardtail. I personally will be building up the Pivot because I like the optional singlespeed dropout option and I live in AZ where Pivot is based. The reason I favored the Pivot and Rocky Mountain is because they both run 142x12 rear axles and my full squish race bike runs the same so I already of wheels for this bike. I do like the extra stiffness on a 29er as well.
  • 10-13-2012
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    We actually have 2 demo bikes built up and they saw plenty of riding at Dealer camp and Interbike....The demos are geared versions though...I took the Orange bike out for a short ride before Outdoor Demo and it was a lot of fun. Light, stiff and crazy fast. I'm not really a 29er guy but this one jumped nice and I even managed to get the manual down pretty nicely after learning the balance point. I kinda want one now :o

    don't worry, there is no shame in wanting or even owning a hard tail 29er... on the other hand, if you find yourself gravitating towards spandex and campy components, then maybe it's gone too far :skep:...

    :D
  • 12-06-2012
    LIV2RYD
    Bump....anyone seen any press on the Les lately? This is on my shortlist of bikes and was hoping to see some recent reviews.
  • 01-09-2013
    LIV2RYD
    Just ordered a Les today, should be in around the end of the month. Went with the neutral carbon with red. I liked the orange too but thought it was a little too bold a statement. Got the SS dropouts too. If it rides like I'm expecting, my Superfly SS might be moving on. Can't wait to build it up.
  • 01-10-2013
    seandm
    Whom did you order it from that said they would have it in at the end of the month? I went to the demo at Mcd this past weekend and they did no't have a large for me to try out.
  • 01-10-2013
    LIV2RYD
    I ordered it thru Blackstone Cycles in Cumberland RI. They are a new dealer to the area.

    I would check directly with Pivot, their customer service is top notch.
  • 01-10-2013
    MTN DEW
    If you are in the SF Bay Area, Tread bike shop had 1 or 2 LES built up on the floor for sale.
    They are in Campbell, CA.

    dew
  • 01-10-2013
    LIV2RYD
    Just found out I got the last one in stock and it will be another 1-2 months for the next shipment. I guess the Les is in high demand right now.
  • 01-10-2013
    kenbentit
    Boxed up that frame today! :)
  • 01-11-2013
    LIV2RYD
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Boxed up that frame today! :)

    Awesome! I'm looking forward to building it up, now we just need the snow to melt around here. Its been real slow going on the trails around here but its a great workout. Who needs fatbikes!
  • 01-15-2013
    jc280
    Not a Pivot LES but I'm anxiously awaiting my BH Ultimate 29er frame. Looking forward to a change of pace from years of Trek. By the way the Orange looks wicked cool.
  • 01-19-2013
    rideeatrepeat
    What size is that frame in the picture??
    I'm going back and forth between the Rocky Mtn.Vertex carbon and a LES for a SS build-up.
  • 01-19-2013
    LIV2RYD
    Just picked up my frame from the shop. The fit and finish is impressive. I like the attention to detail with the SS kit. Very well thought out. I'll post some pics after i finish building it up.
  • 01-23-2013
    LIV2RYD
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    Waiting for the fork to return from Push. This frame is light as a feather. Don't worry about the clamp, its only holding the frame, no clamping force applied. I'll post some pics once she is built up.
  • 01-23-2013
    chestercospinner
    size and weight please and wow she's a beaut!
  • 01-23-2013
    seandm
    When did you put your order in to get your frame and with whom?
  • 01-23-2013
    LIV2RYD
    Ordered the Les in early Jan, I got lucky when a preorder backed out and I was next in line. Ordered it thru Blackstone Cycle in Cumberland, RI.

    I'll post weights and pics once the correct fork arrives. I built it up tonite using an old Fox RL fork from my GF Rig and the weight was 19 lbs 5 oz with the SS kit. Its got my heavy wheelset on too (DT 240's and Arch EX's). My race wheelset is 240's with Crest's and lighter spokes. think I should be able to get it in the 19lb range as a SS and maybe sub 21 lb as a 1 x 10.
  • 01-24-2013
    chestercospinner
    can you share what the frame only weight came in at? size?
  • 01-25-2013
    LIV2RYD
    The frame was exactly 3lbs with the headset, BB, seatpost clamp and SS kit including dropouts mounted. Size small. See Pivot Les post in 29er bikes for more details and pics.
  • 01-26-2013
    chestercospinner
    thanks for sharing man! 3lbs w/ BB & HS and dropouts installed is ww's dream. I'm looking forward to see her built up & read your ride impressions... the Les is on the top of my wish list for 2013. :D
  • 01-26-2013
    LIV2RYD
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    Here are some pics and 1st ride impression. Its real cold and snowy right now in Mass so I decided to give my knees a break and set the bike up geared last night. It weighs out at 21.5 lbs with my winter rims and tires and 1x9 setup. Having been on a Superfly SS for the past 3 years, I was excited when I first read about the Les because it's geometry matches the Superfly with the notable difference of shorter chainstays and a longer toptube. Let me start by saying that Pivot has absolutely nailed the geometry on the Les. The bike feels more trail bike up front and more race bike out back. Acceleration is impressive, it feels like the bike gets up to speed a bit quicker than my 'fly. Whats interesting is even though the wheelbase is shorter, it rails turns with more authority. Ride quality is very refined, stiff in the BB and headube area but the rear chainstays are tuned to level the chatter in the trail. You stay more connected to the trail on the Les, my 'fly was stiff but a bit harsher out back. BTW, the Syntace P6 Hiflex post is a work of art and helps dampen the ride to a very comfortable level for a hardtail. Its only one ride but it took me a couple of miles to find my groove on this bike and by the 10 mile mark it felt just like home, I believe this is a true sign of a dialed bike. Very little was needed to tweak the cockpit in. I can't wait for the weather to improve so i can turn it loose as a SS.
  • 01-26-2013
    seandm
    To think i had already convinced myself i really didn't need another bike after i was able to get through xmas without purchasing one. I think you now have me leaning back towards getting another bike and preferably the LES, which was my original intention if i was able to locate one in one of the LBS over the holidays.
  • 01-27-2013
    chestercospinner
    well done liv2ryd, thanks for the write up. sounds like we share the same interests in ride quality and expectations from our SSs. I'm pondering selling off the ridgeline and moving everything over to a Les by early summer. enjoy
  • 01-28-2013
    deeppow
    Purchased a Pivot Les with the XT/XTR build, converted to SS. I am using the geared parts to update another bike. The SS build is XT brakes and crankset, Stan's Crest wheels (tubeless) and Eggbeater 3s and the FSA bars, stem and post that came with the build. Bike came in at 20.04 lbs. It can easily get a pound lighter. Love the dropout adjustments and the CTD Fox fork. Only one ride to date, so it will be a few before I can comment on the ride. The first one felt pretty nice.
  • 02-23-2013
    Chris(NJ)
    Anyone want to update w/ further impressions?
    I'm in the market for a new SS for race season and have been set on another carbon SS, but so tempted by these! I wish I could demo one instead of just comparing angles and numbers to bikes I'm already familiar with.
  • 02-24-2013
    deeppow
    I probably have about 10 hours on Pivet less now, absolutely love the bike. I have been riding and racing an Air Nine carbon SS for a couple of years. The Air Nine is a great frame but I was done with the creaking EBB and having to change my seat postion everytime I changed gearing. So far no issues with the Pivot sliding drop outs. The pivot seems to be a little kinder on the body, not sure if it is the Pivot frame or the seat post, maybe the combo of the two. Hope this helps with your decision.
  • 02-24-2013
    jc280
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    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Here is the Cousin to the Pivot Les. I got it built up last night. I'm still waiting on a set of I9 wheels but other than that it is complete. Still have some brake lines to shorten too. If it would ever stop raining around here I might get to ride it.
    Attachment 775137
  • 02-25-2013
    shortrider
    I am also waiting for one in the next batch (hopefully). I canít wait to build it up as a race singlespeed.

    Nice to hear the positive feedback so far.
  • 02-28-2013
    rideeatrepeat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    Here is the Cousin to the Pivot Les. I got it built up last night. I'm still waiting on a set of I9 wheels but other than that it is complete. Still have some brake lines to shorten too. If it would ever stop raining around here I might get to ride it.
    Attachment 775137

    It helps so much when you post a picture to include your frame size.
    So, what fame is that ? and size?
    Thanks!
  • 02-28-2013
    jc280
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    The bike is a large. Here is a link to the specs if interested. http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/20...er-841357.html
  • 02-28-2013
    jc280
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Sorry. The frame is a BH Ultimate 29er. It looks very similar to the Pivot Les. The BH does not have the SS drop outs like the Pivot.
  • 03-03-2013
    Teton29er
    Anyone know the rear tire clearance? Can a 2.4 fit? Thanks!
  • 03-04-2013
    Salt Cycles
    DANG these look sweet. The orange alone almost made me buy one. Good thing the demo fleet does not have an XL yet or my wife would be very angry with me.

    Pivot seems to be doing lots of great things - hope they can keep the vision and put out fantastic bikes for years to come.
  • 04-22-2013
    Flat Ark
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by LIV2RYD View Post
    Here are some pics and 1st ride impression. Its real cold and snowy right now in Mass so I decided to give my knees a break and set the bike up geared last night. It weighs out at 21.5 lbs with my winter rims and tires and 1x9 setup. Having been on a Superfly SS for the past 3 years, I was excited when I first read about the Les because it's geometry matches the Superfly with the notable difference of shorter chainstays and a longer toptube. Let me start by saying that Pivot has absolutely nailed the geometry on the Les. The bike feels more trail bike up front and more race bike out back. Acceleration is impressive, it feels like the bike gets up to speed a bit quicker than my 'fly. Whats interesting is even though the wheelbase is shorter, it rails turns with more authority. Ride quality is very refined, stiff in the BB and headube area but the rear chainstays are tuned to level the chatter in the trail. You stay more connected to the trail on the Les, my 'fly was stiff but a bit harsher out back. BTW, the Syntace P6 Hiflex post is a work of art and helps dampen the ride to a very comfortable level for a hardtail. Its only one ride but it took me a couple of miles to find my groove on this bike and by the 10 mile mark it felt just like home, I believe this is a true sign of a dialed bike. Very little was needed to tweak the cockpit in. I can't wait for the weather to improve so i can turn it loose as a SS.

    Just curious, are you running a standard offset or a G2 fork on the Pivot?
  • 04-23-2013
    LIV2RYD
    Std offset
  • 05-05-2013
    Tberry
    New to the forum but her is my Pivot les it is a large XX1 build and will have the World Cup xx fork in it Monday when it comes in the xx is a loaner. Biked weighed 20.10 pounds
    I will take a few more photos and post them up Monday night.


  • 05-05-2013
    jc280
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tberry View Post
    New to the forum but her is my Pivot les it is a large XX1 build and will have the World Cup xx fork in it Monday when it comes in the xx is a loaner. Biked weighed 20.10 pounds
    I will take a few more photos and post them up Monday night.



    Nice bike Tberry!
  • 05-05-2013
    Tberry
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jc280 View Post
    Nice bike Tberry!

    Thanks,
    If you are who I think you are it was great riding with you Friday.
  • 05-05-2013
    jc280
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tberry View Post
    Thanks,
    If you are who I think you are it was great riding with you Friday.

    Yep! Enjoyed it.
  • 05-08-2013
    DeeZee
    Any SS builds? Interested on how the dropouts worked
  • 05-08-2013
    jfkbike2
    Just finished a build with the SS kit. Have not ridden it yet on trails and won't for a while as I am out of town for a bit. But it built up w/o a hitch and they seem solid. Actually it is a pretty nice setup with the covers for the der. mount and the cable hole covers etc... Only thing I do not like is that to run geared you need a 142 x 12 axle and to run SS you need a Std. 135mm QR. No big deal to pop off the end caps on my DT240's but it would be nice to make them both the same.
  • 05-17-2013
    jrk07
    Demoed a Les a few weeks back and the most striking feeling I had was that I felt right at home on it. My personal bike is a Mach 5.7c (medium) and the Les (medium) felt very comfortable. I rode on less technical terrain than I normally would (fireroads with some tech thrown in), but it seemed to handle the technical bits very well. I haven't demoed any other modern hard tails, but if I was adding one to my quiver I wouldn't hesitate from buying the Les.
  • 05-28-2013
    rideeatrepeat
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tberry View Post
    New to the forum but her is my Pivot les it is a large XX1 build and will have the World Cup xx fork in it Monday when it comes in the xx is a loaner. Biked weighed 20.10 pounds
    I will take a few more photos and post them up Monday night.



    Nice !
    How does the frame fit you ?
    I'm 6'-2" and always been on XL frames but not sure about a 29er.
    I'd love to go from my 31 lb bike to a 21 lb rocket like that !
  • 05-29-2013
    jc280
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rideeatrepeat View Post
    Nice !
    How does the frame fit you ?
    I'm 6'-2" and always been on XL frames but not sure about a 29er.
    I'd love to go from my 31 lb bike to a 21 lb rocket like that !

    I'm 6'2" also and I'm riding a large BH Ultimate 29er. It's a perfect fit for me. The BH is the cousin to the LES so geometry is very close.
  • 06-09-2013
    jfkbike2
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    100 miles on my Les
    I now have put about 100 miles on my Les, all in Florida and all single speed. Compared to my SC Highball it is a bit more comfortable (seatposts are different and might be part of it). Geometry fits me better as well. Bike is easier to loft front wheel and steering seems a little slower but front end stay planted very well. Overall I am very happy with the bike and am glad I bought it. I am going to ship it out to Oregon for a summer trip and may convert back to gears for that. I have a XX1 crank so that I can easily switch out rear SS set up for a XX1 setup which is one of the main reason I selected the Les. Overall a very nice ride.
  • 06-15-2013
    tobyrider
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    New to the forum too. Here's my new Pivot Les. Medium weighs 21.5lbs with XX1 & XTR pedals. Got 20 miles in this morning for the first ride and the bike is a lot of fun. Fast and compliant; won't be missing my Epic that I traded in on this.

    Attachment 808421
    Attachment 808422
  • 07-18-2013
    chestercospinner
    Who's got a blue SS set up?? Come on I need my fix!
  • 07-27-2013
    seandm
    Any 6'2-6'3 pivot les riders and if so, are you riding a L or an XL? I am debating on which size to get. I currently ride a L mach429, but i have my seat as far back as it can go.
  • 08-03-2013
    Wish I Were Riding
    Can someone tell me what diameter the seat post is? I'm hoping its not 27.2, so I have my Dropper post options...
  • 08-03-2013
    fontarin
    Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Their tech FAQ still says all pivot frames use a 30.9 seat post, and they usually keep it updated.
  • 08-04-2013
    jfkbike2
    Mine is 30.9mm and I have the Syntace P6 post and it is very comfy. Not a dropper though
  • 08-05-2013
    ryan123
    Re: Pivot LES - Reviews?
    Has anyone set one up as a monster cross? I'm thinking about it as my one and only with a road wheelset when needed.

    Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk 2
  • 08-08-2013
    Rideon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Any 6'2-6'3 pivot les riders and if so, are you riding a L or an XL? I am debating on which size to get. I currently ride a L mach429, but i have my seat as far back as it can go.

    I'm 6'2 and recently rented an XL 429Carbon. I couldn't have imagined going with a smaller frame, as my saddle position was neutral on the rails, 110mm stem w/740mm bars. LBS is telling me that if I like the XL on the 429c, that I'll like the XL on the Les. I've got a long torso w/long arms and usually prefer long top tubes though. So I'm leaning towards the XL if that helps at all.
  • 08-08-2013
    seandm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    I'm 6'2 and recently rented an XL 429Carbon. I couldn't have imagined going with a smaller frame, as my saddle position was neutral on the rails, 110mm stem w/740mm bars. LBS is telling me that if I like the XL on the 429c, that I'll like the XL on the Les. I've got a long torso w/long arms and usually prefer long top tubes though. So I'm leaning towards the XL if that helps at all.

    Thanks for the info. I currently ride a L 429 and i find it somewhat cramped but easier to control vs my XL turner 5spot.
  • 08-08-2013
    Rideon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Thanks for the info. I currently ride a L 429 and i find it somewhat cramped but easier to control vs my XL turner 5spot.

    I ride a 09 XL DW Sultan and it was interesting to compare it to the ride of the XL 429C. With its shorter chainstays, lower bb, carbon construction, super tight linkages, the 429C handled fantastically well. Better than the Sultan IMHO, and I really love the Sultan. Of course my Sultan is 4 years old, so not a real fair comparison. A better head to head comparison will be the Turner Czar w/120mm fork vs the Pivot 429C.
  • 08-24-2013
    seandm
    I ended up going with the XL Les with the xo1 build. I took here home and swapped out the seat and the stem to a 95mm length one; as i felt the 110 that it came with made the steering to gyroscopic. I have two 20 mile rides on her so far and am thinking of maybe putting on a 100mm stem. Seems the 95mm unbalances the frame somewhat for climbing purposes, though for twisty turns it sure does rail those turns. I will say that if you are 6'2-6'3 then the XL is the way to go. It fits like a glove and you really dont notice that you are on a HT.
  • 08-25-2013
    seandm
    I popped the 110mm stem back on for this mornings ride and what a night and day difference. This bike has a nice gitty up first step on her with the longer stem.
  • 08-28-2013
    Rideon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    I ended up going with the XL Les with the xo1 build. I took here home and swapped out the seat and the stem to a 95mm length one; as i felt the 110 that it came with made the steering to gyroscopic. I have two 20 mile rides on her so far and am thinking of maybe putting on a 100mm stem. Seems the 95mm unbalances the frame somewhat for climbing purposes, though for twisty turns it sure does rail those turns. I will say that if you are 6'2-6'3 then the XL is the way to go. It fits like a glove and you really dont notice that you are on a HT.

    So would you say it was stiff where it needed to be, yet compliant where it needed to be too? What width of handlebar did you go with?
  • 08-29-2013
    seandm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    So would you say it was stiff where it needed to be, yet compliant where it needed to be too? What width of handlebar did you go with?

    Yes, very stiff and yet compliant when things start to get rough.

    Mine came with the 740mm one, which took some getting use to.
  • 08-30-2013
    Rideon
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Yes, very stiff and yet compliant when things start to get rough.

    Mine came with the 740mm one, which took some getting use to.

    Great to hear. You are gonna give us some pics, right???:-)
  • 08-31-2013
    seandm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Great to hear. You are gonna give us some pics, right???:-)

    i was waiting to change out my pedals today and then I will post up my build with pics.
  • 09-01-2013
    seandm
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    Got her all dialed in finally. Comparing her to my pivot 429

    climbing - equal
    flats - les
    downhill - les
    handling - les

    Overall I would say the two are very similar rides, with the Les being crazy light at around 21-22 lbs.

    My build specs

    FORK FOX 32 29" 100 FIT CTD TRAIL ADJUST KASHIMA
    HEADSET PIVOT PRECISION SEALED BEARING
    REAR DER XO-1 11Spd Type 2
    FRONT DER N/A
    SHIFTERS XO-1 REAR
    BRAKES XO TRAIL
    CRANKS X-1 GXP 30T
    BAR PHOENIX Carbon Riser 740mm
    GRIPS PIVOT Lock On
    STEM syntace f109 110mm
    POST syntace p6 carbon hiflex
    SEAT ergon sm3 pro carbon saddle
    CASSETTE XO-1 10-42 11Spd
    WHEELS DT 29 350 SPLINE ONE XR XD Tubeless
    TIRES conti x-king
    PEDALS xpedo mforce 8 ti

    Attachment 828695
  • 09-02-2013
    00sable
    I want one!!!!
  • 09-04-2013
    Rideon
    Surprised that Les would win the downhill. Is it because the Les's geometry works better for you?
  • 09-04-2013
    seandm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Surprised that Les would win the downhill. Is it because the Les's geometry works better for you?

    I am not sure on that, just know that this thing is like a rocket on the downhills and it is definitely more than just perception.
  • 09-06-2013
    AZ Stumpy
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    Just picked up my Black/Blue Les with XX1. Size large with XTR pedals weighs exactly 22 pounds. Better pics and a short review on Monday after I flog it for a weekend.
  • 09-08-2013
    AZ Stumpy
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    Got a few rides in on my new Les (XX1 factory build) this weekend (on flowy desert singletrack). This bike is awesome!!! All I have to compare it to is my 5 year old 26 inch F/S Stumpjumper, my Kona Unit 2-9 singlespeed, and a litany of rental 29 inch Stumpjumpers, Epics, and a Yeti SB95. So maybe part of my infatuation with this bike may be because I've never ridden a carbon hardtail before. Either way, this is by far the best/fastest bike I've ever ridden.

    Ride: A 22 lb hardtail 29er should climb like a billygoat but what blows me away is how fast this bikes wants to go downhill. I don't understand why but this bike feels soooo smooth and fast on the decend. Up, down, or level the bike had way more speed in it than I could give it. I actually felt like I was holding the BIKE back. Wasn't just my imagination either. Got a slug of PR's on Strava this weekend on the Les.

    Fit: I'm a long 6'0" and always land in the middle of L and XL bikes. I went with the L on the Les and it fits perfect. When I set it up and rode it around on the street I thought the stem was too long and the bars were too wide. I also was thinking I had to jack up the seatpost a mile and was starting to think I needed an XL. I was dead wrong. I fits perfect on the trail. The bars are 740mm and I'm still on the fence about them. I'm going to give it another week or two but am likely going buzz them down to 700 or even 680... maybe.

    Build: Absolutely freaking perfect. I've owned about 5 mid-high range bikes and this will be the first one ever that I don't have to mess with. The XX1 is better than even reported. The shifting is super crisp and the 30x10-42 is right on the money for the trails I ride.

    Going into the purchase of this bike I've HATED Avid and Magura brakes. I almost coughed up $500 to slap XTR's on this bike before I even picked it up. Out of haste to just get the bike I didn't and am glad I didn't. After they bedded in, the MT-8's are actually really good. We even had a rare summer rain here in the desert today and they still worked great.

    The Slant Six tires at 700+ grams a pop were on their way out, too but I'm kinda liking them. There are a few sandy washes that we have to muscle through and the Slant Sixes just floated me right through them. I'm also thinking the higher volume of the 2.2's (verses the 2.0 and 2.1's on my other bikes) is adding to some of the compliance I'm enjoying. Grip on our granite trails was awesome, too. Probably gonna leave them alone.

    At 22 pounds I'm happy with the weight but this bike could fairly easily dip down to close to 20 even with lighter tires, pedals (running XTR's), rotors, seat, and seatpost.

    The one only issue I'm having is a creaky seatpost. Not sure if it's because it's new or if it has something to do with the gritty carbon grease on it. Open for suggestions/ideas on that.

    My other question/concern is with the lack of downtube protection. The Les has none. As this being my first carbon bike and being a desert rat this concerns me. Researching options and open for opinions on that, too. Maybe the Les is beefy enough that it doesn't need it???

    So there's my review. You could skip it and read one word: BADASS!
  • 09-08-2013
    seandm
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ Stumpy View Post
    A 22 lb hardtail 29er should climb like a billygoat but what blows me away is how fast this bikes wants to go downhill. I don't understand why but this bike feels soooo smooth and fast on the decend. Up, down, or level the bike had way more speed in it than I could give it. I actually felt like I was holding the BIKE back. Wasn't just my imagination either. Got a slug of PR's on Strava this weekend on the Les.

    Agreed! I feel that maybe i am holding the bike back sometimes as i dont want to go that fast in fear that I might eat it.
  • 09-12-2013
    juan_speeder
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    I am not sure on that, just know that this thing is like a rocket on the downhills and it is definitely more than just perception.

    Did you used time as a measurement?

    If not, perception is all you have to go on.
  • 09-19-2013
    deeppow
    Just to add to the phrase. I have had my Les since the spring. Golden bike shop hooked me up and I was told it was the first one in the state. Due to a broken collar bone the bike was actually displayed in the shop for a month with a sold sign on it. I can't say enough about the bike. I bought it as a geared bike because I wanted the option to run it geared or single. I also wanted the Kashima coated fork. Most of the summer I road and raced it as a single speed. I took it to Moab and Fruita and I am continually pleased at how well it descends. The bike is stiff at the bottom bracket and compliant in the seat stays. In August I converted it to a 1x9 and raced the Breck Epic on it. I wasn't surprised at how it climbs but was surprised at how well it descends. Coming from an Air 9 it has been great not dealing with a creaking EBB and it is nice to have a little compliance in the seat stays. Great Bike!
  • 09-21-2013
    Rideon
    AZ Stumpy - Sweet rig!

    Check out Gene Hamilton's article on wide bars/short stem on the betterride.net site before you cut those bars. HUGE improvement on handling with this setup. I'm not sponsored by them or anything, but just recently went to this upgrade and WOW what a positive difference after 14 years riding narrow bars/long stem.

    I find it interesting that carbon hardtails are surpassing metal(including Ti) hardtails in the compliance department. I know mine does.
  • 09-21-2013
    AZ Stumpy
    I gave the 740 mm bars about 6 or 7 rides and never got used to them. Just to be sure I swapped my 685 mm bars from my Kona over to the Pivot for a few rides and it just felt ideal so I cut the bars down to 680 mm. Made a great handling bike even better.

    After two weeks I still love the bike. Other than narrowing the bars a smidge I have't done a thing to it. I re-greased the seatpost and the creak I was dealing with went away. Great bike and XX1 is magical!
  • 10-31-2013
    gulljammer
    I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Les 29er (M). On paper I have most of the build figured out, only major decision is what travel fork 100 or 120. Can anybody comment on the bike handling differences between these two?
  • 11-02-2013
    DanoXC
    Hey Gulljammer. I have a Medium Les myself and im 174cm tall just for reference. I started out with a 120mm Marzocchi fork for a few months. The 120mm made the bike a very capable all rounder. I also have a mach5.7C and on my downhill runs I was only a few seconds slower on the downhills with my Les compared to the 5.7C when running the 120mm Marzocchi's. But the front end was abit high for climbs even when the stem was slammed down.
    But the thing is I wanted the Les more for fast XC runs and to smash Strava times with alot of hills. I put a 100mm reba fork with a remote lock out on the Les and now the Les is a rocket. Its way faster now but I cant hit the downhills as hard anymore.
    But thats what my Mach 5.7c is for.
    So if you want the Les as a one bike do it all rounder with very stable handling then get a 120mm fork.
    But if you want the Les as an out right speed machine but still pretty cable on most downhill type runs the get a 100mm travel fork.
  • 11-02-2013
    gulljammer
    Dano, Thanks for the feedback. I was reading the WMB Les review on Pivot's website; the the author spec'd a 120mm fork for more technical riding and a 100mm for XC. I was looking for a second opinion on his statement, since I am wanting more of an all rounder I will go with a 120 Talas to help on climbs.
  • 11-07-2013
    fakemind
    I just picked myself up a nice little orange Les 29er (M) frame. I also got a SID XX World Cup fork to go with it, along with a King headset and a frameskin installed. I will be slowly assembling it in my spare time with a collection of spare parts, mostly XT, and will be borrowing the hoops from my Tallboy LTc for the time being. Can't wait to get some fast rides in on this!

    Is anyone running any extra tape or similar protection on the downtube / bb area, or have been getting any dings or paint chips? Also, anything to watch out for when routing the internal cabling?
  • 11-08-2013
    tahic
    I plan on installing the full kit for frame protection on my LES
    Frameskin for Pivot Les - Frameskin but sounds like you may already have this?
  • 11-08-2013
    fakemind
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by tahic View Post
    I plan on installing the full kit for frame protection on my LES
    Frameskin for Pivot Les - Frameskin but sounds like you may already have this?

    Yeah I got the gloss thin version. My lbs initially had the matte one sent to them but had to return it for the gloss as it didn't look right on the orange frame! It certainly adds some piece of mind having the frameskin installed. I'm just looking for some extra protection around the bottom of the top tube / bb area. I may just go soem heli-tape or something similar.
  • 12-04-2013
    lvmtb
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ Stumpy View Post
    ...

    Fit: I'm a long 6'0" and always land in the middle of L and XL bikes. I went with the L on the Les and it fits perfect. When I set it up and rode it around on the street I thought the stem was too long...

    AZ stumpy

    I too am 6' (34" inseam) and can't grasp going with the Pivot recommended size Medium especially when, on paper, the geometry of the L is somewhat similar to the L's of Niner Air 9, Santa Cruz Highball, and Yeti ARC-c.
    Did you demo the medium prior to purchasing the large?

    I currently run the short stem & wide bar cockpit on both my Spot SS and Surly 1x9.
  • 12-05-2013
    AZ Stumpy
    I never demoed a MED but I can't imagine riding a smaller size. If anything maybe I could use a 10 or 20 mm shorter stem but I feel great on the LARGE.
  • 12-11-2013
    fakemind
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    I finally got around to completing my build and got to take her out on the maiden voyage (3.5 hr ride with a bit of everything) the other day. Awesome bike as I'm sure you all are well aware. I was grinning from ear to ear and yelling and hollering and wanted to join a glee club because I was filled with glee. Thanks Chris and co for delivering such a racebike that is so capable, smooth and fun.:thumbsup:

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  • 12-25-2013
    Dikkie
    Also in for a les.
    I'll start it as SS with a XX1 crank or Next SL narrow-wide chainring, don't now yet.
    Like the 156mm Q option on a XX1 crank, the Next sl looks better imo because its also carbon and is lighter...

    Would it be possible to run a Stealth dropper post and use the port under the BB area to feed the hydraulic line internally through the downtube and the seattube?
  • 12-25-2013
    kenbentit
    I believe it's "possible" but you'd have to modify the access cover plate and use some sort of glue on cable guide on the down tube to keep the cable in place. I need to double check that the seat tube doesn't have any kind of obstruction inside though....
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    Also in for a les.
    I'll start it as SS with a XX1 crank or Next SL narrow-wide chainring, don't now yet.
    Like the 156mm Q option on a XX1 crank, the Next sl looks better imo because its also carbon and is lighter...

    Would it be possible to run a Stealth dropper post and use the port under the BB area to feed the hydraulic line internally through the downtube and the seattube?

  • 12-26-2013
    Dikkie
    I did'nt make myself clear enough...
    I'm not running a front derailleur, so instead of running the front shift cable internally, I would use the free port on top of the downtube to run the hydraulic cable through the downtube Šnd the seattube.
    But, like you mentioned, it depends on a seattube without obstacles inside...hence my question.
    The tech sheat talks about 'hollow core internal molding', so there might be a good chance to run a cable thru the BB area-seattube junction.
    I'll have to wait about 10 weeks, time to have all the parts ready here upon arrival ;-)

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I believe it's "possible" but you'd have to modify the access cover plate and use some sort of glue on cable guide on the down tube to keep the cable in place. I need to double check that the seat tube doesn't have any kind of obstruction inside though....

  • 01-15-2014
    Dikkie
    Pulled the trigger.
    Ordered a les Black/blue frame large with blue Pivot headset.
    RF Next SL with DM 32t, PF BB92, X01, SID RCT3 @ 100mm, SDG I-beam+formula FX, easton XC90 carbon wheelset...
    I'll have to wait to the end of march for delivery though...:-( before I can start building the bike up and see for myself about the seatpost.
  • 01-15-2014
    kenbentit
    That unused port only has a tiny hole in it for the cable to fit inside so you'd be looking at drilling a 5mm hole to fit the housing thru. I'd be hesitant to do that myself since it's not something you can go back from (like if you decide to sell the frame later..)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    I did'nt make myself clear enough...
    I'm not running a front derailleur, so instead of running the front shift cable internally, I would use the free port on top of the downtube to run the hydraulic cable through the downtube Šnd the seattube.
    But, like you mentioned, it depends on a seattube without obstacles inside...hence my question.
    The tech sheat talks about 'hollow core internal molding', so there might be a good chance to run a cable thru the BB area-seattube junction.
    I'll have to wait about 10 weeks, time to have all the parts ready here upon arrival ;-)

  • 01-16-2014
    Dikkie
    You're right, drilling in a new frame is something I wouldn't like to do either...
    However, Thomson released a cable actuated stealth dropper for 2014.
    As soon as I receive my frame I'm going to check the options for a dropper post.
  • 01-16-2014
    gulljammer
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    Pulled the trigger.
    Ordered a les Black/blue frame large with blue Pivot headset.
    RF Next SL with DM 32t, PF BB92, X01, SID RCT3 @ 100mm, SDG I-beam+formula FX, easton XC90 carbon wheelset...
    I'll have to wait to the end of march for delivery though...:-( before I can start building the bike up and see for myself about the seatpost.

    Hey Dikkie, Just curious on how tall you are and inseam?
  • 01-16-2014
    MTB Pilot
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    You're right, drilling in a new frame is something I wouldn't like to do either...
    However, Thomson released a cable actuated stealth dropper for 2014.
    As soon as I receive my frame I'm going to check the options for a dropper post.

    Here ya go, this one works fine.
  • 01-16-2014
    kenbentit
    Oooh! Now THAT would be a sweet alternative that could be just the thing for this setup!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    You're right, drilling in a new frame is something I wouldn't like to do either...
    However, Thomson released a cable actuated stealth dropper for 2014.
    As soon as I receive my frame I'm going to check the options for a dropper post.

  • 01-17-2014
    Dikkie
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gulljammer View Post
    Hey Dikkie, Just curious on how tall you are and inseam?

    187cm, inseam 90,6cm, center BB-top of seat 81,5 cm.
    I'm the Long legs, shorter torso and even shorter armlength type.
    Going to use a min 100 or perhaps a 110mm stem with 68,5 cm steerer, still to decide after I receive my frame.
  • 02-01-2014
    mtbmitch2
    nice looking bike, love the ktm orange
  • 02-15-2014
    stejam
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    The special one
    I have to say I've never risen a hard tail for many year and when I last did I was not a fan of them! I ordered a Mach 6 and I've been riding an Intense Spider 29 Comp for the last year which i thought was an amazing bike for all kind of riding but I wanted a bike just for putting in the miles.

    I changed all my Spider gear over to my LES and it may be a bit over kill with the Fox 34 forks set at 110mm and weights in at 23.7lbs but this bike feels amazing!!!

    Im in shock how fast this thing climbs and how much energy you save, i don't know if this is down to the weigh difference between the spider (3.5lbs) or the fact of no rear suspension? I guess both and others. Its around about the same angles as the spider with a 68.5 deg head angle and a similar length in the cock pit so it feels perfect for me. It descends extremely well and more than capable of gong bigger but its me who lets it down with m lack of hard tail experience and use to the suspension doing all the work

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  • 03-02-2014
    DanoXC
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    My Pivot LES is the bike I choose the most out of all my rides. Just rips on the trails.
  • 04-20-2014
    gulljammer
    2 Attachment(s)
    Les is more.
    Murdered out.
  • 04-21-2014
    Dikkie
    Nice, I like the stealthy look.
    Is this an extreme DIY job, or is it a new 'non'-color option prototype?