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    Who's got a blue SS set up?? Come on I need my fix!

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    Any 6'2-6'3 pivot les riders and if so, are you riding a L or an XL? I am debating on which size to get. I currently ride a L mach429, but i have my seat as far back as it can go.

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    Can someone tell me what diameter the seat post is? I'm hoping its not 27.2, so I have my Dropper post options...

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    Pivot LES - Reviews?

    Their tech FAQ still says all pivot frames use a 30.9 seat post, and they usually keep it updated.

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    Mine is 30.9mm and I have the Syntace P6 post and it is very comfy. Not a dropper though

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    Re: Pivot LES - Reviews?

    Has anyone set one up as a monster cross? I'm thinking about it as my one and only with a road wheelset when needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Any 6'2-6'3 pivot les riders and if so, are you riding a L or an XL? I am debating on which size to get. I currently ride a L mach429, but i have my seat as far back as it can go.
    I'm 6'2 and recently rented an XL 429Carbon. I couldn't have imagined going with a smaller frame, as my saddle position was neutral on the rails, 110mm stem w/740mm bars. LBS is telling me that if I like the XL on the 429c, that I'll like the XL on the Les. I've got a long torso w/long arms and usually prefer long top tubes though. So I'm leaning towards the XL if that helps at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    I'm 6'2 and recently rented an XL 429Carbon. I couldn't have imagined going with a smaller frame, as my saddle position was neutral on the rails, 110mm stem w/740mm bars. LBS is telling me that if I like the XL on the 429c, that I'll like the XL on the Les. I've got a long torso w/long arms and usually prefer long top tubes though. So I'm leaning towards the XL if that helps at all.
    Thanks for the info. I currently ride a L 429 and i find it somewhat cramped but easier to control vs my XL turner 5spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Thanks for the info. I currently ride a L 429 and i find it somewhat cramped but easier to control vs my XL turner 5spot.
    I ride a 09 XL DW Sultan and it was interesting to compare it to the ride of the XL 429C. With its shorter chainstays, lower bb, carbon construction, super tight linkages, the 429C handled fantastically well. Better than the Sultan IMHO, and I really love the Sultan. Of course my Sultan is 4 years old, so not a real fair comparison. A better head to head comparison will be the Turner Czar w/120mm fork vs the Pivot 429C.

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    I ended up going with the XL Les with the xo1 build. I took here home and swapped out the seat and the stem to a 95mm length one; as i felt the 110 that it came with made the steering to gyroscopic. I have two 20 mile rides on her so far and am thinking of maybe putting on a 100mm stem. Seems the 95mm unbalances the frame somewhat for climbing purposes, though for twisty turns it sure does rail those turns. I will say that if you are 6'2-6'3 then the XL is the way to go. It fits like a glove and you really dont notice that you are on a HT.

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    I popped the 110mm stem back on for this mornings ride and what a night and day difference. This bike has a nice gitty up first step on her with the longer stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    I ended up going with the XL Les with the xo1 build. I took here home and swapped out the seat and the stem to a 95mm length one; as i felt the 110 that it came with made the steering to gyroscopic. I have two 20 mile rides on her so far and am thinking of maybe putting on a 100mm stem. Seems the 95mm unbalances the frame somewhat for climbing purposes, though for twisty turns it sure does rail those turns. I will say that if you are 6'2-6'3 then the XL is the way to go. It fits like a glove and you really dont notice that you are on a HT.
    So would you say it was stiff where it needed to be, yet compliant where it needed to be too? What width of handlebar did you go with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    So would you say it was stiff where it needed to be, yet compliant where it needed to be too? What width of handlebar did you go with?
    Yes, very stiff and yet compliant when things start to get rough.

    Mine came with the 740mm one, which took some getting use to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    Yes, very stiff and yet compliant when things start to get rough.

    Mine came with the 740mm one, which took some getting use to.
    Great to hear. You are gonna give us some pics, right???:-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Great to hear. You are gonna give us some pics, right???:-)
    i was waiting to change out my pedals today and then I will post up my build with pics.

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    Got her all dialed in finally. Comparing her to my pivot 429

    climbing - equal
    flats - les
    downhill - les
    handling - les

    Overall I would say the two are very similar rides, with the Les being crazy light at around 21-22 lbs.

    My build specs

    FORK FOX 32 29" 100 FIT CTD TRAIL ADJUST KASHIMA
    HEADSET PIVOT PRECISION SEALED BEARING
    REAR DER XO-1 11Spd Type 2
    FRONT DER N/A
    SHIFTERS XO-1 REAR
    BRAKES XO TRAIL
    CRANKS X-1 GXP 30T
    BAR PHOENIX Carbon Riser 740mm
    GRIPS PIVOT Lock On
    STEM syntace f109 110mm
    POST syntace p6 carbon hiflex
    SEAT ergon sm3 pro carbon saddle
    CASSETTE XO-1 10-42 11Spd
    WHEELS DT 29 350 SPLINE ONE XR XD Tubeless
    TIRES conti x-king
    PEDALS xpedo mforce 8 ti

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    I want one!!!!
    Disclaimer: Always get a second opinion cause I'm just guessing

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    Surprised that Les would win the downhill. Is it because the Les's geometry works better for you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rideon View Post
    Surprised that Les would win the downhill. Is it because the Les's geometry works better for you?
    I am not sure on that, just know that this thing is like a rocket on the downhills and it is definitely more than just perception.

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    Just picked up my Black/Blue Les with XX1. Size large with XTR pedals weighs exactly 22 pounds. Better pics and a short review on Monday after I flog it for a weekend.
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    Got a few rides in on my new Les (XX1 factory build) this weekend (on flowy desert singletrack). This bike is awesome!!! All I have to compare it to is my 5 year old 26 inch F/S Stumpjumper, my Kona Unit 2-9 singlespeed, and a litany of rental 29 inch Stumpjumpers, Epics, and a Yeti SB95. So maybe part of my infatuation with this bike may be because I've never ridden a carbon hardtail before. Either way, this is by far the best/fastest bike I've ever ridden.

    Ride: A 22 lb hardtail 29er should climb like a billygoat but what blows me away is how fast this bikes wants to go downhill. I don't understand why but this bike feels soooo smooth and fast on the decend. Up, down, or level the bike had way more speed in it than I could give it. I actually felt like I was holding the BIKE back. Wasn't just my imagination either. Got a slug of PR's on Strava this weekend on the Les.

    Fit: I'm a long 6'0" and always land in the middle of L and XL bikes. I went with the L on the Les and it fits perfect. When I set it up and rode it around on the street I thought the stem was too long and the bars were too wide. I also was thinking I had to jack up the seatpost a mile and was starting to think I needed an XL. I was dead wrong. I fits perfect on the trail. The bars are 740mm and I'm still on the fence about them. I'm going to give it another week or two but am likely going buzz them down to 700 or even 680... maybe.

    Build: Absolutely freaking perfect. I've owned about 5 mid-high range bikes and this will be the first one ever that I don't have to mess with. The XX1 is better than even reported. The shifting is super crisp and the 30x10-42 is right on the money for the trails I ride.

    Going into the purchase of this bike I've HATED Avid and Magura brakes. I almost coughed up $500 to slap XTR's on this bike before I even picked it up. Out of haste to just get the bike I didn't and am glad I didn't. After they bedded in, the MT-8's are actually really good. We even had a rare summer rain here in the desert today and they still worked great.

    The Slant Six tires at 700+ grams a pop were on their way out, too but I'm kinda liking them. There are a few sandy washes that we have to muscle through and the Slant Sixes just floated me right through them. I'm also thinking the higher volume of the 2.2's (verses the 2.0 and 2.1's on my other bikes) is adding to some of the compliance I'm enjoying. Grip on our granite trails was awesome, too. Probably gonna leave them alone.

    At 22 pounds I'm happy with the weight but this bike could fairly easily dip down to close to 20 even with lighter tires, pedals (running XTR's), rotors, seat, and seatpost.

    The one only issue I'm having is a creaky seatpost. Not sure if it's because it's new or if it has something to do with the gritty carbon grease on it. Open for suggestions/ideas on that.

    My other question/concern is with the lack of downtube protection. The Les has none. As this being my first carbon bike and being a desert rat this concerns me. Researching options and open for opinions on that, too. Maybe the Les is beefy enough that it doesn't need it???

    So there's my review. You could skip it and read one word: BADASS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Stumpy View Post
    A 22 lb hardtail 29er should climb like a billygoat but what blows me away is how fast this bikes wants to go downhill. I don't understand why but this bike feels soooo smooth and fast on the decend. Up, down, or level the bike had way more speed in it than I could give it. I actually felt like I was holding the BIKE back. Wasn't just my imagination either. Got a slug of PR's on Strava this weekend on the Les.
    Agreed! I feel that maybe i am holding the bike back sometimes as i dont want to go that fast in fear that I might eat it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seandm View Post
    I am not sure on that, just know that this thing is like a rocket on the downhills and it is definitely more than just perception.
    Did you used time as a measurement?

    If not, perception is all you have to go on.
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    Just to add to the phrase. I have had my Les since the spring. Golden bike shop hooked me up and I was told it was the first one in the state. Due to a broken collar bone the bike was actually displayed in the shop for a month with a sold sign on it. I can't say enough about the bike. I bought it as a geared bike because I wanted the option to run it geared or single. I also wanted the Kashima coated fork. Most of the summer I road and raced it as a single speed. I took it to Moab and Fruita and I am continually pleased at how well it descends. The bike is stiff at the bottom bracket and compliant in the seat stays. In August I converted it to a 1x9 and raced the Breck Epic on it. I wasn't surprised at how it climbs but was surprised at how well it descends. Coming from an Air 9 it has been great not dealing with a creaking EBB and it is nice to have a little compliance in the seat stays. Great Bike!

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    AZ Stumpy - Sweet rig!

    Check out Gene Hamilton's article on wide bars/short stem on the betterride.net site before you cut those bars. HUGE improvement on handling with this setup. I'm not sponsored by them or anything, but just recently went to this upgrade and WOW what a positive difference after 14 years riding narrow bars/long stem.

    I find it interesting that carbon hardtails are surpassing metal(including Ti) hardtails in the compliance department. I know mine does.

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    I gave the 740 mm bars about 6 or 7 rides and never got used to them. Just to be sure I swapped my 685 mm bars from my Kona over to the Pivot for a few rides and it just felt ideal so I cut the bars down to 680 mm. Made a great handling bike even better.

    After two weeks I still love the bike. Other than narrowing the bars a smidge I have't done a thing to it. I re-greased the seatpost and the creak I was dealing with went away. Great bike and XX1 is magical!

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    I'm ready to pull the trigger on a Les 29er (M). On paper I have most of the build figured out, only major decision is what travel fork 100 or 120. Can anybody comment on the bike handling differences between these two?
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    Hey Gulljammer. I have a Medium Les myself and im 174cm tall just for reference. I started out with a 120mm Marzocchi fork for a few months. The 120mm made the bike a very capable all rounder. I also have a mach5.7C and on my downhill runs I was only a few seconds slower on the downhills with my Les compared to the 5.7C when running the 120mm Marzocchi's. But the front end was abit high for climbs even when the stem was slammed down.
    But the thing is I wanted the Les more for fast XC runs and to smash Strava times with alot of hills. I put a 100mm reba fork with a remote lock out on the Les and now the Les is a rocket. Its way faster now but I cant hit the downhills as hard anymore.
    But thats what my Mach 5.7c is for.
    So if you want the Les as a one bike do it all rounder with very stable handling then get a 120mm fork.
    But if you want the Les as an out right speed machine but still pretty cable on most downhill type runs the get a 100mm travel fork.

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    Dano, Thanks for the feedback. I was reading the WMB Les review on Pivot's website; the the author spec'd a 120mm fork for more technical riding and a 100mm for XC. I was looking for a second opinion on his statement, since I am wanting more of an all rounder I will go with a 120 Talas to help on climbs.
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    I just picked myself up a nice little orange Les 29er (M) frame. I also got a SID XX World Cup fork to go with it, along with a King headset and a frameskin installed. I will be slowly assembling it in my spare time with a collection of spare parts, mostly XT, and will be borrowing the hoops from my Tallboy LTc for the time being. Can't wait to get some fast rides in on this!

    Is anyone running any extra tape or similar protection on the downtube / bb area, or have been getting any dings or paint chips? Also, anything to watch out for when routing the internal cabling?

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    I plan on installing the full kit for frame protection on my LES
    Frameskin for Pivot Les - Frameskin but sounds like you may already have this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tahic View Post
    I plan on installing the full kit for frame protection on my LES
    Frameskin for Pivot Les - Frameskin but sounds like you may already have this?
    Yeah I got the gloss thin version. My lbs initially had the matte one sent to them but had to return it for the gloss as it didn't look right on the orange frame! It certainly adds some piece of mind having the frameskin installed. I'm just looking for some extra protection around the bottom of the top tube / bb area. I may just go soem heli-tape or something similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Stumpy View Post
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    Fit: I'm a long 6'0" and always land in the middle of L and XL bikes. I went with the L on the Les and it fits perfect. When I set it up and rode it around on the street I thought the stem was too long...
    AZ stumpy

    I too am 6' (34" inseam) and can't grasp going with the Pivot recommended size Medium especially when, on paper, the geometry of the L is somewhat similar to the L's of Niner Air 9, Santa Cruz Highball, and Yeti ARC-c.
    Did you demo the medium prior to purchasing the large?

    I currently run the short stem & wide bar cockpit on both my Spot SS and Surly 1x9.

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    I never demoed a MED but I can't imagine riding a smaller size. If anything maybe I could use a 10 or 20 mm shorter stem but I feel great on the LARGE.

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    I finally got around to completing my build and got to take her out on the maiden voyage (3.5 hr ride with a bit of everything) the other day. Awesome bike as I'm sure you all are well aware. I was grinning from ear to ear and yelling and hollering and wanted to join a glee club because I was filled with glee. Thanks Chris and co for delivering such a racebike that is so capable, smooth and fun.

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    Also in for a les.
    I'll start it as SS with a XX1 crank or Next SL narrow-wide chainring, don't now yet.
    Like the 156mm Q option on a XX1 crank, the Next sl looks better imo because its also carbon and is lighter...

    Would it be possible to run a Stealth dropper post and use the port under the BB area to feed the hydraulic line internally through the downtube and the seattube?

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    I believe it's "possible" but you'd have to modify the access cover plate and use some sort of glue on cable guide on the down tube to keep the cable in place. I need to double check that the seat tube doesn't have any kind of obstruction inside though....
    Quote Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    Also in for a les.
    I'll start it as SS with a XX1 crank or Next SL narrow-wide chainring, don't now yet.
    Like the 156mm Q option on a XX1 crank, the Next sl looks better imo because its also carbon and is lighter...

    Would it be possible to run a Stealth dropper post and use the port under the BB area to feed the hydraulic line internally through the downtube and the seattube?
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    I did'nt make myself clear enough...
    I'm not running a front derailleur, so instead of running the front shift cable internally, I would use the free port on top of the downtube to run the hydraulic cable through the downtube ánd the seattube.
    But, like you mentioned, it depends on a seattube without obstacles inside...hence my question.
    The tech sheat talks about 'hollow core internal molding', so there might be a good chance to run a cable thru the BB area-seattube junction.
    I'll have to wait about 10 weeks, time to have all the parts ready here upon arrival ;-)

    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I believe it's "possible" but you'd have to modify the access cover plate and use some sort of glue on cable guide on the down tube to keep the cable in place. I need to double check that the seat tube doesn't have any kind of obstruction inside though....

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    Pulled the trigger.
    Ordered a les Black/blue frame large with blue Pivot headset.
    RF Next SL with DM 32t, PF BB92, X01, SID RCT3 @ 100mm, SDG I-beam+formula FX, easton XC90 carbon wheelset...
    I'll have to wait to the end of march for delivery though...:-( before I can start building the bike up and see for myself about the seatpost.

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    That unused port only has a tiny hole in it for the cable to fit inside so you'd be looking at drilling a 5mm hole to fit the housing thru. I'd be hesitant to do that myself since it's not something you can go back from (like if you decide to sell the frame later..)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    I did'nt make myself clear enough...
    I'm not running a front derailleur, so instead of running the front shift cable internally, I would use the free port on top of the downtube to run the hydraulic cable through the downtube ánd the seattube.
    But, like you mentioned, it depends on a seattube without obstacles inside...hence my question.
    The tech sheat talks about 'hollow core internal molding', so there might be a good chance to run a cable thru the BB area-seattube junction.
    I'll have to wait about 10 weeks, time to have all the parts ready here upon arrival ;-)
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    You're right, drilling in a new frame is something I wouldn't like to do either...
    However, Thomson released a cable actuated stealth dropper for 2014.
    As soon as I receive my frame I'm going to check the options for a dropper post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    Pulled the trigger.
    Ordered a les Black/blue frame large with blue Pivot headset.
    RF Next SL with DM 32t, PF BB92, X01, SID RCT3 @ 100mm, SDG I-beam+formula FX, easton XC90 carbon wheelset...
    I'll have to wait to the end of march for delivery though...:-( before I can start building the bike up and see for myself about the seatpost.
    Hey Dikkie, Just curious on how tall you are and inseam?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    You're right, drilling in a new frame is something I wouldn't like to do either...
    However, Thomson released a cable actuated stealth dropper for 2014.
    As soon as I receive my frame I'm going to check the options for a dropper post.
    Here ya go, this one works fine.
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    Oooh! Now THAT would be a sweet alternative that could be just the thing for this setup!
    Quote Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    You're right, drilling in a new frame is something I wouldn't like to do either...
    However, Thomson released a cable actuated stealth dropper for 2014.
    As soon as I receive my frame I'm going to check the options for a dropper post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gulljammer View Post
    Hey Dikkie, Just curious on how tall you are and inseam?
    187cm, inseam 90,6cm, center BB-top of seat 81,5 cm.
    I'm the Long legs, shorter torso and even shorter armlength type.
    Going to use a min 100 or perhaps a 110mm stem with 68,5 cm steerer, still to decide after I receive my frame.

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    nice looking bike, love the ktm orange

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    The special one

    I have to say I've never risen a hard tail for many year and when I last did I was not a fan of them! I ordered a Mach 6 and I've been riding an Intense Spider 29 Comp for the last year which i thought was an amazing bike for all kind of riding but I wanted a bike just for putting in the miles.

    I changed all my Spider gear over to my LES and it may be a bit over kill with the Fox 34 forks set at 110mm and weights in at 23.7lbs but this bike feels amazing!!!

    Im in shock how fast this thing climbs and how much energy you save, i don't know if this is down to the weigh difference between the spider (3.5lbs) or the fact of no rear suspension? I guess both and others. Its around about the same angles as the spider with a 68.5 deg head angle and a similar length in the cock pit so it feels perfect for me. It descends extremely well and more than capable of gong bigger but its me who lets it down with m lack of hard tail experience and use to the suspension doing all the work

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    My Pivot LES is the bike I choose the most out of all my rides. Just rips on the trails.
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    Les is more.

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    Nice, I like the stealthy look.
    Is this an extreme DIY job, or is it a new 'non'-color option prototype?

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