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    Pivot LES 27.5 Review

    Due to the lack of reviews, figured I'd chime in on the Pivot LES 27.5 as I had the opportunity to demo the SLX build twice now.

    Going into the demo, I was already struggling with the 650b platform as I had been extremely disappointed with the Santa Cruz 5010c a few weeks earlier (know I'll catch flak but sorry just didn't like it). Thought I would give 650b another try as I prefer hardtails and heard Pivot bikes were great rides.

    It took me a few minutes to adapt but instantly noticed how quick and agile the LES was. There is quite a bit of frame feedback but chalked that up to the stiffness of the carbon,which I have little experience with. A couple miles into the ride I grew more confident and started to push it. The bike responded and solidified my feeling this bike really wants to go.

    So I let it go...and wow does the LES respond. I was carving the trail and catching air every chance possible just like my 26er. The frame is burly yet light and inspires confidence. This is much appreciated as I ride aggressively. I would consider the LES a solid trail bike but could foresee a light XC build.

    Overall, Pivot knocked this one out of the park as the geometry is fantastic and makes for a fun ride! I managed to ride about 18 miles across both demos and enjoyed the bike immensely. At 5'10" and 140lbs geared up, the medium fit like a glove.

    My only complaints would be the bars as they were way too wide, and the Fox fork left something to be desired. Regardless, I highly recommend the bike. I would prefer the X9 build, but the $4K+ price tag is tough to swallow.

    Hope this review helps those searching for feedback like myself and would appreciate any reviews/pictures of builds if you own one. I plan to demo the bike for a few days in the near future and will provide an update at that time.

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    I thought for sure there was a review thread but you're right, nothing out there yet! I have just over 900 miles on mine now and it still blows me away. I've done several long rides with plenty of climbing and even rode a solo 24 hr race that came out to 170 miles and close to 11k of climbing. I just put in 120 miles on the new Mach4 and wasn't sure how I'd feel about getting back on the hard tail again but one ride was all it took to remind me how much I love this bike. Insanely fast uphill and down, even over demanding terrain. Definitely a different mindset but that's what appeals to me, and the acceleration out of corners makes me feel stronger than I really am Keep an eye on the "Projekt Roam" site for some feedback, Colt just built his bike up and is digging it too.


    All of our demo bikes get built up with "stock" parts, including the 740mm bars which have markings in case you want to trim them to a narrower width.. I've been very happy with my fork, I run it in Descend mode pretty much all the time with ~100 psi (I'm about 185 lbs with gear, ride a Large frame).

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    Here's a shot of the XS frame from Interbike last year...
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    Re: Pivot LES 27.5 Review

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    So sick!
    Frame: Medium
    Fork: 2014 Rock Shox SID RCT3 100mm
    Stem: 75mm Enve
    Bar: 2015 Easton Haven Carbon 740mm
    Wheels: Nox Composites AM 27.5, 28 spoke
    Hubs: Industry Nine Torch classic
    Brakes: Shimano XTR with 160mm rotors f/r
    Drivetrain: XX1/XO1 mix with a Stages SRAM X9 left crank arm power meter
    Seatpost: Syntace P6 Hi-flex
    Saddle: Tioga Spyder Stratum
    Tires: f- 2.3 Schwalbe Rock Razor, r- 2.1 Schwalbe Thunder Burt
    Grips: Lizzard Skin DSP
    Frame Protection: Frameskin Les kit and fork kit

    Weight = 21.4lbs, My goal was 20lbs or less but I used significant frame protection, a lot of Stan's and the front tire is 700-750g.

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    I had the same grips! Ended up swapping to thicker Oury's after a few months but I love the look and feel of those....Nice build
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    So sick!
    Frame: Medium
    Fork: 2014 Rock Shox SID RCT3 100mm
    Stem: 75mm Enve
    Bar: 2015 Easton Haven Carbon 740mm
    Wheels: Nox Composites AM 27.5, 28 spoke
    Hubs: Industry Nine Torch classic
    Brakes: Shimano XTR with 160mm rotors f/r
    Drivetrain: XX1/XO1 mix with a Stages SRAM X9 left crank arm power meter
    Seatpost: Syntace P6 Hi-flex
    Saddle: Tioga Spyder Stratum
    Tires: f- 2.3 Schwalbe Rock Razor, r- 2.1 Schwalbe Thunder Burt
    Grips: Lizzard Skin DSP
    Frame Protection: Frameskin Les kit and fork kit

    Weight = 21.4lbs, My goal was 20lbs or less but I used significant frame protection, a lot of Stan's and the front tire is 700-750g.
    Desert Sunset Calls/Upward, Pain, Perseverance/Welcome Solitude

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    Nice! Nox wheels built by Super Dave?

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    So sick!
    Frame: Medium
    Fork: 2014 Rock Shox SID RCT3 100mm
    Stem: 75mm Enve
    Bar: 2015 Easton Haven Carbon 740mm
    Wheels: Nox Composites AM 27.5, 28 spoke
    Hubs: Industry Nine Torch classic
    Brakes: Shimano XTR with 160mm rotors f/r
    Drivetrain: XX1/XO1 mix with a Stages SRAM X9 left crank arm power meter
    Seatpost: Syntace P6 Hi-flex
    Saddle: Tioga Spyder Stratum
    Tires: f- 2.3 Schwalbe Rock Razor, r- 2.1 Schwalbe Thunder Burt
    Grips: Lizzard Skin DSP
    Frame Protection: Frameskin Les kit and fork kit

    Weight = 21.4lbs, My goal was 20lbs or less but I used significant frame protection, a lot of Stan's and the front tire is 700-750g.

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    Thanks Ken. Yeah, the grips will probably get swaped out. They already started to twist a little and the end cap won't go all the way in flush because of the tape you fold into the end. Love the way they match though. Damn!

    Seandm, they were a complete build at Nox. Not familiar with who builds them. I really like them so far. Feel solid. With stems and tape they weighed in at 1600g on my crappy food scale. Obviously could have gone with lighter XC rims but wanted something I didn't have to worry about on our loose rocky trails. Really like that Rock Razor up front. Not really its intended use but on an XC bike that you still want a high volume front for some comfort it is awesome so far. Fast but good bite when you lean it over in the corners.

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    I have the same exact wheel setup on my Les 29er made by speed dreams in ftn hills. It is amazing what a difference they make over the stock rims that come with the Les build kits.

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    Seandm, they were a complete build at Nox. Not familiar with who builds them. I really like them so far. Feel solid. With stems and tape they weighed in at 1600g on my crappy food scale. Obviously could have gone with lighter XC rims but wanted something I didn't have to worry about on our loose rocky trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rehammer81 View Post
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    So sick!
    Frame: Medium
    Fork: 2014 Rock Shox SID RCT3 100mm
    Stem: 75mm Enve
    Bar: 2015 Easton Haven Carbon 740mm
    Wheels: Nox Composites AM 27.5, 28 spoke
    Hubs: Industry Nine Torch classic
    Brakes: Shimano XTR with 160mm rotors f/r
    Drivetrain: XX1/XO1 mix with a Stages SRAM X9 left crank arm power meter
    Seatpost: Syntace P6 Hi-flex
    Saddle: Tioga Spyder Stratum
    Tires: f- 2.3 Schwalbe Rock Razor, r- 2.1 Schwalbe Thunder Burt
    Grips: Lizzard Skin DSP
    Frame Protection: Frameskin Les kit and fork kit

    Weight = 21.4lbs, My goal was 20lbs or less but I used significant frame protection, a lot of Stan's and the front tire is 700-750g.
    There is a local Pivot Les 27.5 for sale. It is a medium. I am 5'6" with a 29" inseam. On the Pivot website it states I should ride a small. Any chance the medium will work for me? I probably can meet him for a test ride but would rather not waste my time if it ain't gonna work. Any thoughts such as your height and inseam and what you think would help.

    Thanks,

    Chuck

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    Re: Pivot LES 27.5 Review

    Quote Originally Posted by procos View Post
    There is a local Pivot Les 27.5 for sale. It is a medium. I am 5'6" with a 29" inseam. On the Pivot website it states I should ride a small. Any chance the medium will work for me? I probably can meet him for a test ride but would rather not waste my time if it ain't gonna work. Any thoughts such as your height and inseam and what you think would help.

    Thanks,

    Chuck
    I'm 5'9" with a 32" inseam. I use a 70mm stem and 740mm bars. Fits me perfect. Really depends how stretched out you want to be. You would probably need to run a really short stem and narrower bars to accommodate the reach. Really hard for me to say though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rehammer81 View Post
    I'm 5'9" with a 32" inseam. I use a 70mm stem and 740mm bars. Fits me perfect. Really depends how stretched out you want to be. You would probably need to run a really short stem and narrower bars to accommodate the reach. Really hard for me to say though.
    Thanks the local bike sold. Sounds like a medium wouldn't have worked for me anyways.

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    As indicated in the original post, here is my update of the Pivot LES 27.5 (SLX build) after demoing a week from a local bike shop (albeit much later than anticipated).

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    My initial impression still holds true - the LES is just down right fun! During the demo, I managed to squeeze in 50+ miles. My goal was to push the LES and really determine whether it was the right choice to replace the trusty old Fisher hardtail.

    The best evaluation came from riding 30 miles between two working ranches here in the Texas hill country - Rocky Hill & Bluff Creek Ranch. Both have a somewhat similar mixture of smooth, rooty & rocky single track with some climbing and minimal descents. I literally rode the $%#! out of the LES here and thoroughly enjoyed every minute. It's amazing how forgiving carbon is during long periods in the saddle. The acceleration you can achieve is an absolute blast! Managed to find a trail buddy, and he approved of the LES as well.

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    Seriously, think about coming around a corner at speed and having a 6ft tall rabbit pop up out of nowhere - literally scared me!

    Overall, I rode the LES very aggressively, and it handled everything. The last demo day I took a 2ft drop normally ridden on my Fisher hardtail. While some will shake there head and wouldn't go any bigger, I had to know - would the LES hold up or would I be buying a replacement? And the LES frame performed just fine with no creaks, noise or flex upon landing. My only change to the bike would be swapping the Fox fork to a SID/Reba 120mm. Regardless, every ride ended with a big grin, and there's no better evaluation metric than that! Final impression: purchase in progress....

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    Hi, first post on this forum, based in the uk, got back into riding last year after a long break, think my current frame is a bit too big (18inch) and also want something a bit lighter. I am toying with the idea of buying a les 27.5 frame (for xc/trail centre and xc racing). I was wondering what length stem / bar width combo people were finding good so I can compare reach length with my current set up (as it's a touch big I'm running a 50mm stem but I think that might be a bit short with a steeper head angle (current head angle 66.5deg (whyte 901))

    I am 5'7.5, with a heel to crotch inseam of about 30.5inch (trouser inseam 29) and a fist to shoulder (straight arm) length of 24 inches. The pivot size guide says small for my height which seems right to me, but would be good to hear other peoples thoughts.

    Final question- 100 or 120mm forks?

    Thanks in advance!

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    I'm 5'9" with a 33" inseam. Somewhat short torso and arms. I'm on a medium with a 70mm stem and 740mm wide bars. I run a 100mm fork. I am very comfortable with this setup.

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    II'm amazed at all the positive reviews above. It makes me wonder what people were ariding before they tried the LES. To add a different perspective - I've just purchased a new LES 27.5 and am pretty disappointed. I'm 5'.0" and bought the xs based on the size chart but have found that, because of the bike's very low BB and relatively high front end, its extremely difficult to get a good xc race fit. I've had to fit a reverse 45 degree stem, Thomson flat bar flipped to get an extra 8mm drop and replace the head tube cap and fitting to get it as slammed as possible to get the seat and bars anywhere near level. On this basis, I can't see why the xs comes with a curved top tube. If it came with a straight tube, I'd still have plenty of standover clearance and there'd be room for two bottle cages. Anyone short enough to need the curved top tube would be shorter than me and therefore way too short for this bike. Biggest problem though has been the DT Swiss 1200 spine wheels the bike came specced with - the wheels seemed slow from the start and never improved (after more than 500km of riding) but the bike shop I purchased the bike from said there was nothing wrong. Took it to another bike shop and they found the problem straight away - the hubs were not spinning freely and on inspection had been put together incorrectly and poorly packed. So much for spending money on expensive wheels and after sales service! Anyway, now the wheel problem is sorted and lots of extra time and $ have been spent on getting the bike to fit, the bike is much better but it's still nothing to rave about. It doesn't handle as well, and doesn't climb or corner any better than my Giant dual suspension 27.5 (which is both heavier and much cheaper). I don't know what all the hype is about.

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    ^^^^ Wow, sounds like someone pissed in your Cheerios. Look at any of the shorter XC racers' (Emily Batty) and you'll find that they ALL have to run a very negative stem to get bar and seat level. Moreso even with 29'ers, but still with 27.5 bikes as well. Hell, I have to run a Syntace Flat Force stem on my 29'er to get bar=saddle. That thing points almost straight down. And most small girls' bikes don't have room for 2 bottle cages, that's why they put one on the bottom of the down tube. The wheels sound like a DT Swiss issue, can't blame the bike for that.

    If you can't get it to corner or climb better than your heavier FS, then maybe it's more of a mental block or a technique issue. Sounds like you don't WANT to like it. I've ridden TONS of hardtails, and FS's as well, and it's one of the most fun bikes I've ridden. Sorry to sound harsh, but when you questioned other people's positive comments about the bike and assumed they must have ridden garbage before, you kinda brought it on yourself.

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    ^^^^ Its ok to be harsh. I've ridden tons of hardtails and FSs as well and I'm just seriously baffled about all the rave reviews this bike is getting - the bike is ok but not for its price tag. That was the point I was trying to make regarding the comparison with my current FS - its not that I can't corner or climb on this bike, its just that I can corner and climb just as effortlessly on my old FS as on the new light weight and extremely expensive Pivot. If I had to describe this bike in one word it would be "lifeless". As far as fit goes, I'm very familiar with the bike set ups of many female xc racers. Many female racers choose to ride on bikes that are technically too big for them either because the advantages of the larger wheels outweigh the disadvantages of the fit or because they are sponsored by that particular bike company and that is the smallest high end bike that the company makes. Top elite racers also generally have a team of people behind them that fully customize the bike on their behalf, in some cases to the extent that the final bike spec and set-up bears no resemblance to the bike available for sale to the general public. My point regarding the sizing of the xs Pivot is that the sizing on the website says it fits a 4'10" person but it actually doesn't. The need for a curved top tube also doesn't seem to have been that well thought out and it would have been a better bike without that feature. I have an old 26" wheel 14" hardtail that fits two bottle cages.

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