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    Cool-blue Rhythm Official pics and info for 2014 bikes!

    Here's the information right from the new catalog. The Mach6 will also be available in the same black/yellow color as the Vault (it's a cool color scheme) and the Les 27.5 is available in Blue (similar to the Red frame pictured). The Vault is just as you see it.
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    numbers???? ie geo???
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    We're working on getting more of the catalog live online. I can tell you that the M6 will be available in sizes from XS to XL (5 sizes!). The TTL's will be 21.7, 22.85,23.6, 24.36 and 25.3. HA is 66.0 for XS to M, Lg is 66.25 and XL is 66.5. Chainstays are all 16.95.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    We're working on getting more of the catalog live online. I can tell you that the M6 will be available in sizes from XS to XL (5 sizes!). The TTL's will be 21.7, 22.85,23.6, 24.36 and 25.3. HA is 66.0 for XS to M, Lg is 66.25 and XL is 66.5. Chainstays are all 16.95.
    That's very slick geometry for 27.5
    Availability? MSRP?
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    Official pics and info for 2014 bikes!

    The LES 27.5 will be a great bike for traveling racers ... Much easier to pack and fly airlines with the slightly smaller wheels. Nice work.... Looks awesome. (When's the McDowell Park demo?).

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    That blue M6 would look so good in my garage. Gotta ditch the big red S and get my hands on the local brand. Soon enough.
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    I'll have to check my price sheet tomorrow but I'm pretty sure MSRP is close to the existing Carbon 5.7 and 29" Les. Availability is going to vary according to size but we expect to be shipping frames by September for Mach6, October for 27.5 Les. I need to double check my notes at work though....

    OK, double checked my notes and availability is pretty much what I posted earlier. Shops will start receving their first frames in Sept/Oct (Mach6). Orders placed today will be shipping later in Oct/Nov timeframe. Les 27.5 will be available in Sept for Med & XS sizes, Oct for Sm. and Lg frames. Les pricing is the same for 29 or 27.5, Mach6 is $200 more than Carbon 5.7.Vault frames will be available in Aug., complete bikes later in Aug/early Sept. Frame MSRP is $2299.
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    That's very slick geometry for 27.5
    Availability? MSRP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I'll have to check my price sheet tomorrow but I'm pretty sure MSRP is close to the existing Carbon 5.7 and 29" Les. Availability is going to vary according to size but we expect to be shipping frames by September for Mach6, October for 27.5 Les. I need to double check my notes at work though....
    Thanks Ken. I will start to talk with my LBS here (8000 miles from Tempe AZ)
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    Thanks for spending a good chunk of your day on MTBR answering our questions Ken. I don't know if I would have had the same discipline to sit in front of a laptop given the trail offerings outside your day in Deer Valley and the greater Park City Area. Huge to you Ken and the Pivot crew.

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    Oh I didn't get to go to DV this time, I'm sitting at home in AZ on my home computer. I WILL be up there in a couple of weeks though, on vacation!
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    OK, I have to ask. Are there more coming out tomorrow? These are awesome, but not the the kind of riding I typically do, so just curious.

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    Sorry, nothing new tomorrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    OK, I have to ask. Are there more coming out tomorrow? These are awesome, but not the the kind of riding I typically do, so just curious.

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    Hey Ken,

    Look like some pics have the extra bit of tubing on from the top tube to the seat tube. Is this just in the larger size? Does the medium have this?

    BTW, its only an 18hr drive from SLC to vancouver...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ Mikey View Post
    Sorry, nothing new tomorrow.
    OK, thanks. And no biggie... just keeps my options to the 429c instead of having to debate between 2 models!

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    DAMN!!! The end of this year is going to be EXPENSIVE... But I don't mind it to go back to Pivot's quality. NICE WORK!!!!
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    I have a set of 27.5 wheels hanging out waiting for a bike to go on. I think I need a Mach 6 to match my Mach 5.7c.

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    Nice bike but too much bike for our local eastern Canada trails. Love the shock mount: simple idea. Very long TT, 23.2 for M5.7 vs 23.6 for M6.

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    Yeah, the bracing is size specific. The Blue bike pictured is a Medium and has a fairly small brace while the Black/Yellow on bikerumour is an XL which ahas a much larger brace. The Small & XS don't have this.
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    Hey Ken,

    Look like some pics have the extra bit of tubing on from the top tube to the seat tube. Is this just in the larger size? Does the medium have this?

    BTW, its only an 18hr drive from SLC to vancouver...
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    Excerpt from the MBA article, regarding the wishbone linkage...
    "This is a very cool trick. By rotating the shock body (1), Pivot connects it to a wishbone link (2) to the dw-link rear suspension (3). Where other designs have used a similar link, it required a proprietary shock (a shock designed just for one model). Pivot's trick, one of those "why didn't I think of that?" ideas, allows the Mach 6 owner the freedom to swap to pretty much any production shock down the road."

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    it doesn't come with an adjustable seat post????
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    So... I just bought the Firebird 27.5 (which I absolutely love). But I also need a new more XCish bike and was hoping for a 5" travel 27.5 to be released by Pivot. Question is... Will the Mach 6 serve both purposes? Will anyone buy my FB 27.5 at a deep discount? Maybe my pretty white FB 27.5 paired with a new green 429 might be a better combo? These are the deep questions I am pondering at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl View Post
    So... I just bought the Firebird 27.5 (which I absolutely love). But I also need a new more XCish bike and was hoping for a 5" travel 27.5 to be released by Pivot. Question is... Will the Mach 6 serve both purposes? Will anyone buy my FB 27.5 at a deep discount? Maybe my pretty white FB 27.5 paired with a new green 429 might be a better combo? These are the deep questions I am pondering at the moment.
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    Dropper is on there! It's the new KS Integra The dropper is an optional upgrade....
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    it doesn't come with an adjustable seat post????
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    Yes, what he said! I would say the Mach6/429C wight be the combo you'd be happiest with. Or Mach6/429C
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Dropper is on there! It's the new KS Integra The dropper is an optional upgrade....
    Dropper posts are no longer an option!
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    Personally, I think ten bikes is too many, but two is too few. I shall be thinning the herd a bit to make room for new additions

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    Quote Originally Posted by DurtGurl View Post
    Personally, I think ten bikes is too many, but two is too few. I shall be thinning the herd a bit to make room for new additions
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brodiegrrl View Post
    Dropper posts are no longer an option!
    We agree 100%, however, the dropper has to be an option due to supply... Also the feedback from dealers state that many customers in this market, may already have a dropper for the bike.
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    Sizing is comparable to Firebird?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    We're working on getting more of the catalog live online. I can tell you that the M6 will be available in sizes from XS to XL (5 sizes!). The TTL's will be 21.7, 22.85,23.6, 24.36 and 25.3. HA is 66.0 for XS to M, Lg is 66.25 and XL is 66.5. Chainstays are all 16.95.
    I'm 6ft 2 inch with a 34 inseam. Large firebird felt pretty comfortable for me.

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    Yep, sizing will be very comparable to the 'Bird and the 5.7.
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    Ken - How is the rear tire clearance? Can you fit something bigger like the HR2 2.35 or forthcoming Conti TK2.2?
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    So I got back from park city last night, rode most of the pivots on the best trails I've ever seen! I gotta say the mach 6 is probably the perfect bike for the riding I do her in AZ. That being said if I had access to something like park city it would be a firebird 27.5, that thing was a monstertruck.Big props to all the guys at pivot they really took the time to explain/setup the bike. It's obvious they have a passion for what they do and I really appreciate all they were doing for us.

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    I haven't had a chance to look into tire sizing on that frame, barely even got to test ride them after building. I know there's plenty of room with a HoneyBadger which has a very round profile but I'd have to check into what other tires we've test fit on it.
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    Ken - How is the rear tire clearance? Can you fit something bigger like the HR2 2.35 or forthcoming Conti TK2.2?
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    Understand Really appreciate if you could check what larger tires were tested. Thanks again

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    I haven't had a chance to look into tire sizing on that frame, barely even got to test ride them after building. I know there's plenty of room with a HoneyBadger which has a very round profile but I'd have to check into what other tires we've test fit on it.
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    so... folks put 27.5s on the FB... anyone thinking about sticking 26s on a Mach 6? maybe with some 2.5" Excavators?

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    I'm sure you could but you'd be dropping the BB even lower into a realm it doesn't seem Pivot is to keen to. With the 30% sag Pivot typically recommends that BB would be pretty low for rooty/rocky terrain. Smooth fast bermed trail that thing would shred though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dog View Post
    so... folks put 27.5s on the FB... anyone thinking about sticking 26s on a Mach 6? maybe with some 2.5" Excavators?

    Def my train of thought, I would.
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    The Mach 6 is over a 1/4" lower than my Firebird and I hit allot of pedals on that bike in tecky rock but not necessarily in serious climbing. Id be a little worried about that height on my trails. I think Id be willing to try, maybe go with a 160 fork.

    I got a new DH bike this year with a 13.8 bb on an 8" travel bike and i've hit the ground hard several times this year from major pedal strikes and thats with 165 arms and super thin pedals. It sure does pump and carve though.

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    I'm waiting for the Firebird 29er. Long travel niners are changing everything.

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    Kenbentit, what is the shock size for the Mach 6? I'm curious if my DB Air will fit...

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    I hate hearing words like "custom tuned rear shock" in new bike launches. Nobody tells you a damn thing about what exactly that entails. I'm getting so sick of trying to find good info on just replacing my stock RP23 on my Mach 5.7 that I'm about to give up on Pivot altogether. Lack of information is really irritating me. Sorry for the rant.
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    The shock on the Mach6 is the same length/stroke as the Firebird; 8.5"x2.5" (they actually share the same shock, same tune).
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    Kenbentit, what is the shock size for the Mach 6? I'm curious if my DB Air will fit...
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    What part is giving you trouble? Are you looking for a replacement from Fox or from another brand? "Custom tuning" is the way bikes are setup now but it's no secret, the exact tune for your shock is on the stickers where the sag indicator attaches. I don't remember the exact info but the Rebound and Comp tune are both Light or Extra Light (which is standard for a DW link bike)....
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    I hate hearing words like "custom tuned rear shock" in new bike launches. Nobody tells you a damn thing about what exactly that entails. I'm getting so sick of trying to find good info on just replacing my stock RP23 on my Mach 5.7 that I'm about to give up on Pivot altogether. Lack of information is really irritating me. Sorry for the rant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    The shock on the Mach6 is the same length/stroke as the Firebird; 8.5"x2.5" (they actually share the same shock, same tune).
    So will the new mach 6 ride more similar to the mach 5.7 or the firebird?

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    I'm going out for another test ride in the morning (on a Lg frame this time) so I'll have a fresh opinion tomorrow. The rides I've done on the prototypes were all on Med frames and the overall feel was like being on a totally amped up 5.7. The Firebird still feels more normal for me on the really rocky stuff (as in ledgy dropoffs and more trialsy type stuff) but the M6 is crazy fast on pretty much everything.
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    Thanks for the reply Ken. I'm looking forward to your ride impressions on the correct sized mach 6 tomorrow. I really loved the feel of the mach 5.7 compared to the firebird I rode. If the mach 6 is an amped up mach 5.7 this will definitely be the right bike for me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaeckerX1 View Post
    I hate hearing words like "custom tuned rear shock" in new bike launches. Nobody tells you a damn thing about what exactly that entails. I'm getting so sick of trying to find good info on just replacing my stock RP23 on my Mach 5.7 that I'm about to give up on Pivot altogether. Lack of information is really irritating me. Sorry for the rant.
    huh? That's just things like Compression, Rebound, Boost Valve off the shock sticker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL View Post
    huh? That's just things like Compression, Rebound, Boost Valve off the shock sticker.
    Tuners have the info as well (e.g. PUSH), as does Fox, Rock Shox, or in the case of Cane Creek, have a base tune for you to start with. That and Pivot (ala Ken above) has been more than happy to take my calls and give me info regarding tunes. Not sure what kind of road blocks you've been running into Baecker in dialing in a new shock. Get a DB Air and you can dial it in to your specific needs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I'm going out for another test ride in the morning (on a Lg frame this time) so I'll have a fresh opinion tomorrow. The rides I've done on the prototypes were all on Med frames and the overall feel was like being on a totally amped up 5.7. The Firebird still feels more normal for me on the really rocky stuff (as in ledgy dropoffs and more trialsy type stuff) but the M6 is crazy fast on pretty much everything.
    Ken,I ordered my frame on Monday and at first went with medium,my good friend is their top mechanic and called me back and suggested that a large may be more apropos with the steeper HA and overall fit.I currently have a Carbine large with 70mm stem fits me well and is approx in the middle on effective TT between a large and medium Mach 6.I am 5'11 with 33 inseam.I know it's not a perfect world and being an in betweener sizing is so very important to me and this is my first Pivot and of course want to get it a right for me as possible,so looking forward to your review on a large frame.

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    Well my ride wasn't quite as long as I intended, managed to punch a hole right thru the rear tire and had to take it easy after that. The Lg frame did feel more comfortable for me though (I'm 6' with 34" inseam). The ride is just like I remembered it, like a 5.7 on steroids. The bigger wheels combined with the new suspension just let you monster truck over pretty much anything, which is probably why I cut that tire
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    Bummer about tire,hope you can get back out again and put it through it's paces,I am going to stick with a large I'm really just under 6' and inseam is close enough and do not want a mile of seat post! did talk to the east coast sales rep at my LBS and he concurred that a large would be mint! and can stay with my 70mm stem.

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    Yeah, I rode it with a 70mm stem as well and the fit seemed pretty good. NOt sure when I'll get back on that bike though, heading out for a week of fun in Utah on my "little" wheel bikes
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    Nice,enjoy your trip! I have not given up "little" wheel bikes entirely,I have a Intense SS2 and like it just fine for its purposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Well my ride wasn't quite as long as I intended, managed to punch a hole right thru the rear tire and had to take it easy after that. The Lg frame did feel more comfortable for me though (I'm 6' with 34" inseam). The ride is just like I remembered it, like a 5.7 on steroids. The bigger wheels combined with the new suspension just let you monster truck over pretty much anything, which is probably why I cut that tire
    i'd be interested how the new DW performs versus the old one... can that be assessed independent of wheel size?
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    Can anyone tell me what the MSRP on the Mach6 frame and rear shock would be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinboyer View Post
    Can anyone tell me what the MSRP on the Mach6 frame and rear shock would be?
    Ken said roughly ~$200 more than the 5.7c, so between $2.9k and $3k before any LBS discounts.

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    I'm really hoping to give the Mach 6 a spin at the demo at Sandy this weekend. I love my DW-Link DHR and the new-school geometry of the Mach 6 looks spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    Ken said roughly ~$200 more than the 5.7c, so between $2.9k and $3k before any LBS discounts.
    Plus if you go Fox Float X add some on,I went frame kit with Fox Float 34,Float X,HS and BB.mid 3k's and change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endomaniac View Post
    The Mach 6 is over a 1/4" lower than my Firebird and I hit allot of pedals on that bike in tecky rock but not necessarily in serious climbing. Id be a little worried about that height on my trails. I think Id be willing to try, maybe go with a 160 fork.

    I got a new DH bike this year with a 13.8 bb on an 8" travel bike and i've hit the
    ground hard several times this year from major pedal strikes and thats with 165 arms
    and super thin pedals. It sure does pump and carve though.
    My Carbine is 13.7 with 160mm fork and was concerned about pedal strikes on our very rocky terrain here in eastern Pa,but overall failed to materialize plus you do accommodate and finess pedal strokes after awhile and I do prefer lower vs higher for turning and lower center for balance over rocky and tech trails.

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    bummer, lost the normal water bottle cage mount ... that was a unique and positive feature of the Pivot line. Under the down tube doesn't count ... that's not a real water bottle mounting location and everyone knows it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    Tuners have the info as well (e.g. PUSH), as does Fox, Rock Shox, or in the case of Cane Creek, have a base tune for you to start with. That and Pivot (ala Ken above) has been more than happy to take my calls and give me info regarding tunes. Not sure what kind of road blocks you've been running into Baecker in dialing in a new shock. Get a DB Air and you can dial it in to your specific needs.
    This. The DB Air base tunes are really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    Tuners have the info as well (e.g. PUSH), as does Fox, Rock Shox, or in the case of Cane Creek, have a base tune for you to start with. That and Pivot (ala Ken above) has been more than happy to take my calls and give me info regarding tunes. Not sure what kind of road blocks you've been running into Baecker in dialing in a new shock. Get a DB Air and you can dial it in to your specific needs.
    Interesting, their reply to my email took 13 days and I never really got my question answered in detail, just a very generic response. Also, my thread in here about what tune Monarch Plus to use got zero responses from anyone from Pivot. It's fine, nobody has any shock availability anyway. Everything I want seems backordered or unavailable wherever I look. I'm predominantly interested in a Float X or a Monarch Plus. I think a DB air might be pretty overkill for the Mach 5.7?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BaeckerX1 View Post
    Interesting, their reply to my email took 13 days and I never really got my question answered in detail, just a very generic response. Also, my thread in here about what tune Monarch Plus to use got zero responses from anyone from Pivot. It's fine, nobody has any shock availability anyway. Everything I want seems backordered or unavailable wherever I look.
    Low tune for the Monarch Plus and you most definitely want the 2014 version. Also, with Pivot it's actually better to call them. They really are happy to talk with customers and will spend the time necessary to answer your question(s). Regarding availability, just that time of the year for the bike industry with the model year transition. All the 2013 stuff is in short supply and the 2014 stuff is trickling in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    Low tune for the Monarch Plus and you most definitely want the 2014 version. Also, with Pivot it's actually better to call them. They really are happy to talk with customers and will spend the time necessary to answer your question(s). Regarding availability, just that time of the year for the bike industry with the model year transition. All the 2013 stuff is in short supply and the 2014 stuff is trickling in.
    That's interesting. I never heard from Pivot, but Rockshox told me I should get a medium compression medium rebound Monarch Plus, but that it would perform better if run with a low compression tune. Since they don't sell low/medium shocks aftermarket, I'd have to have it changed somewhere. Seems like a pain in the ass. I contacted PUSH too, but since they don't service Rockshox rear shocks anymore they couldn't give me any info.

    Thing is for what these shocks cost and how much pain I'm having, I'm wondering if you're right and I should just go all out and put a DB Air on the Mach 5.7. It will be heavier, but I suppose that doesn't matter too much to me since mine is built up pretty burly and almost 30 pounds anyway. I'll have to think on it. What mounting hardware would I need to mount a DB Air to the Mach?
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    Yep that is the "custom" part

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    Quote Originally Posted by BaeckerX1 View Post
    Thing is for what these shocks cost and how much pain I'm having, I'm wondering if you're right and I should just go all out and put a DB Air on the Mach 5.7. It will be heavier, but I suppose that doesn't matter too much to me since mine is built up pretty burly and almost 30 pounds anyway. I'll have to think on it. What mounting hardware would I need to mount a DB Air to the Mach?
    I came to the same conclusion and since the DB Air II has a climb mode, was a done deal. Call Cane Creek, they actually tested with a Mach 5.7 so they can tell you exactly what you need for mounting, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    I came to the same conclusion and since the DB Air II has a climb mode, was a done deal. Call Cane Creek, they actually tested with a Mach 5.7 so they can tell you exactly what you need for mounting, etc.
    Cane Creek actually has now Mach 5.7 in their shock database now, suggested setup is fairly different from Mojos. Interesting, the dw-link is really set differently for each manufacturer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    I came to the same conclusion and since the DB Air II has a climb mode, was a done deal. Call Cane Creek, they actually tested with a Mach 5.7 so they can tell you exactly what you need for mounting, etc.
    You really think the Mach 5.7 needs a climb mode beyond some LSC dialed in? I never use the propedal on my RP23.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JMW503 View Post
    I came to the same conclusion and since the DB Air II has a climb mode, was a done deal. Call Cane Creek, they actually tested with a Mach 5.7 so they can tell you exactly what you need for mounting, etc.
    We kinda got into thread jumping territory here. I went ahead an answered your question on another thread re the DB Air I started a few weeks back: CC DB Air on a 5.7C - anyone running this setup

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    I don't really have any info for specific setup on a RS since we don't spec those and I haven't had one for testing. Email contact is great but this is the crazy busy time of year so things can get lost in the mayhem of tracking parts, building bikes, scheduling photo shoots, etc. Phone calls always work tho (well, not on weekends. Gotta ride sometime!)
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