New Pivot M4x bike

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  • 04-14-2011
    gticlay
    New Pivot M4x bike
    Hopefully not a double post... saw this on facebook then clicked to this:
    http://www.vitalmtb.com/photos/featu...aign=spotlight
  • 04-14-2011
    Guy.Ford
    friggin sweet!!!
  • 04-14-2011
    mojo28246
    Nice!!!!
  • 04-14-2011
    kenbentit
    Lots of time went into that bike :)
  • 04-14-2011
    Guy.Ford
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit
    Lots of time went into that bike :)


    details?? Damn those chainstays look short, dont think you guys couldve gotten that tire any closer without mounting it in the front triangle somewhere, jeez!

    Im sure Evils going to want one, you know that right?
  • 04-14-2011
    dog
    will this be a production frame?
  • 04-14-2011
    kenbentit
    We were going for as short as possible with the rear triangle, gotta be nimble!. Evil has to get that shoulder back in operation first but I know he'll be champing at the bit to get on one :yesnod: Haven't heard an official word on if/when this will be a production bike yet. We literally finished building these proto's this week so we're still catching our breath a bit :p
  • 04-14-2011
    Guy.Ford
    bigger pic


    Why why why the HELL does a 4x bike get what looks like a thru axle and the Firebird is still a QR?? C'MON!!!
  • 04-15-2011
    gticlay
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Guy.Ford
    bigger pic


    Why why why the HELL does a 4x bike get what looks like a thru axle and the Firebird is still a QR?? C'MON!!!

    More than a lil flusterating.
  • 04-15-2011
    Senor StrongBad
    When is that color Scheme coming on the Mach 5.7?
  • 04-15-2011
    kidwoo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit
    Haven't heard an official word on if/when this will be a production bike yet. We literally finished building these proto's this week so we're still catching our breath a bit :p


    Just want to point out that specialized sells out of SX frames every fall, transition doubles are more popular every year, corsair sold a good number of Konigs last year that I saw......etc etc......


    If pivot decides to do a small run, I know a few guys including myself who would be very interested in one. There are a few things that I don't like about my SX frame that I suspect this one would adress.

    If strait wins a race at the otter on that thing, better get ready for the phone to start ringing off the hook :D Just based on the pics, that looks like a really well done bike.
  • 04-15-2011
    Endomaniac
    A DW bike can look so clean when you dont care about the front derailure.
    I have a couple of friends that ride SX's as trail bikes and one friend that still rides a blurr 4x for a trail bike. I think you would sell a fair number of these.
  • 04-15-2011
    Err
    Oh very nice. I've owned a few 4x style fullies and have a latest generation Tazer-VP in the stable right now. Would definitely be interested in one of these. Recently more and more SX, Doubles, Rampants, Killswitches, and Tazer-VP's have been showing up at our local jump spot. The word is out, 3-4" jump bikes are a blast!
  • 04-15-2011
    gticlay
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Endomaniac
    A DW bike can look so clean when you dont care about the front derailure.
    I have a couple of friends that ride SX's as trail bikes and one friend that still rides a blurr 4x for a trail bike. I think you would sell a fair number of these.

    The ones with elevated chainstays don't look half bad either.
  • 04-15-2011
    kenbentit
    Yeah these are the kind of bikes that really get my attention. Just something about it that really appeals to me :yesnod:
  • 04-15-2011
    kidwoo
    Pivot could also be the only dw/quad link 4x bike on the market...a market where hard pedaling/sprinting is quite important.....just sayin.

    I guess there's one more but this one could easily be stiffer.




    doooo iiittttt

    :D
  • 04-16-2011
    kenbentit
  • 04-18-2011
    dog
    Pro Dual Slalom
    Pro Men

    1 1 Graves Jared 29 Golden CO 119545 Yeti Fox Factory Team
    2 2 Lopes Brain 40 Laguan Beach CA 21573 Oakley / Ibis / Marzocchi
    3 6 Hart Danny 20 Redcar GBR19910920 Giant Factory Off-Road Team
    4 5 Atkinson Bryn Ferndale WA 120462 Transition Racing
    5 3 Strait Kyle 24 Huntington Beach CA 143063 Pivot/ODI/Oakley/SDG/ Mavic/ TLD

    so... do was this good enough for the rest of us to get the frame? seems pretty good to me:thumbsup:
  • 04-18-2011
    kenbentit
    Don't forget his 15th place in the DH, on the same bike! :)
  • 04-18-2011
    kidwoo
    Is it just me or did strait run this bike in the dh too? I saw some pics with a similar paintjob but it may have been a firebird.
  • 04-18-2011
    kenbentit
    He did some practice runs on his new Phoenix but decided to race the M4X (same as Jared Graves). Well, not exactly the same since Jared rides for Yeti :p
  • 04-19-2011
    dog
    great! then we can expect preliminary production shop drawings and specs for our (customer) review by, say, mid-July at the latest? We could get our comments back in a week or two, i'm sure... (This would all be part of Dan23's new customer input initiative that he started :smilewinkgrin: )

    ... OK... maybe not...
  • 04-19-2011
    kenbentit
    I think this one is gonna rely a bit more on Kyle's input :yesnod:
  • 04-19-2011
    Guy.Ford
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by dog
    Pro Dual Slalom
    Pro Men

    1 1 Graves Jared 29 Golden CO 119545 Yeti Fox Factory Team
    2 2 Lopes Brain 40 Laguan Beach CA 21573 Oakley / Ibis / Marzocchi
    3 6 Hart Danny 20 Redcar GBR19910920 Giant Factory Off-Road Team
    4 5 Atkinson Bryn Ferndale WA 120462 Transition Racing
    5 3 Strait Kyle 24 Huntington Beach CA 143063 Pivot/ODI/Oakley/SDG/ Mavic/ TLD

    so... do was this good enough for the rest of us to get the frame? seems pretty good to me:thumbsup:

    WOW he couldnt beat Bryn or Lopes, what a slacker!!!! He's must be getting slow in his old age. Bwahahaha
  • 04-20-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Guy.Ford
    WOW he couldnt beat Bryn or Lopes, what a slacker!!!! He's must be getting slow in his old age. Bwahahaha


    crickey... i'm 2X his age... :p maybe that's why i'm so slow and untalented:smilewinkgrin: ... come to think of it i've always been that way :madman:
  • 06-04-2011
    dog
    ... so "you all" were running an RS on this beast... anything else?... while i'm at it, any more news?
  • 06-04-2011
    kenbentit
    The Team guys have RockShox/SRAM as one of their main sponsors so that's what they run. Mine's a full Fox setup; RP23 and 831. Not much new info yet but I have been riding mine as a trail bike quite a lot and I'm totally diggin it. Went to Moab 2 weeks ago and rode Bartlett Wash and Porc. Rim on it, no problems at all. Here's a quick little video/slideshow from that trip :)
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  • 06-04-2011
    dog
    Tres cool video/slideshow!!!

    i was hoping and thinking this thing would make an awesome trail bike...:)

    what travel are you running the 831 at?
  • 06-04-2011
    kenbentit
    Running the 831 at 100mm, using a 45mm stem with 8 deg rise and a low profile top cap. Keeps things nice and compact :) I think I'm gonna redo the video embed, not sure I like that auto-play feature... Yeah, much better now (increased the size a bit as well). BTW, I have 2 seat/post setups for the bike so I can use a long one for trail rides and have a short one for jumping/pumptrack/etc...
  • 08-31-2011
    plygrndkid
    any new info?
    hi guys, dont mean to bring back an old thread but im just dying to know more! been saving up for a while to finally pick up a new frame, but if this isnt going to be available then i guess the rampant it is... any more info would be much appreciated! and 'kenbentit', your video is sweet:thumbsup:, but now i just want to see more, please!;)
  • 09-01-2011
    kenbentit
    Not too much to add beyond the fact that it WILL be a production bike. The plan right now is to a limited production run though. The rear shock will be a custom valved Fox RP23 with the Adaptive Logic and Kashima coating. Rear axle is 12x142 mm, HT is tapered and it uses ISCG05 mounts. The guys are confirming production dates right now so I don't know what the ETA for frames is going to be yet. We should have more info by Interbike though (Eurobike is underway right now...). Here's a MUCH better video with Kyle putting the bike through it's paces. Cheers! :cornut:
    Claymore Challenge 2011 - Kyle Strait - 3rd place run Video - Pinkbike.com
  • 09-01-2011
    plygrndkid
    This is great news! And thanks for the link... Definitely inspiring. By the way, are you still Trailriding yours with 100mm fork? What's the max recommended travel up front? I believe this can possibly be my "one and only"...maybe:D
  • 09-01-2011
    kenbentit
    I've been riding mine as a trail bike with the 831 set at 100 mm. Not doing anything right now since I'm recovering from knee surgery. Not sure what the recommended max travel up front is but the bike is designed around a 100mm fork (67.5 deg HA with the 831). I'm pretty sure Kyle runs a longer fork on his bike but I don't know what he has it set at. I absolutely LOVE the bike for pretty much everything I ride. The only spots where it feels a bit restricting are on extended climbs (especially at altitude) and in the really steep, chunky stuff (short CS keeps things interesting). It worked amazingly well on the DH trails at Deer Valley, even in the rooty stuff of Fire Swamp. Here's another short video to add fuel to the fire :devil:

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  • 09-02-2011
    dog
    Kenbentit,
    Pivot needs to be paying you extra for such videos... great editing!!!:thumbsup:

    oh yeah, and ridin' :D

    any approximates on the frame wieght?
  • 09-02-2011
    kenbentit
    They take pretty good care of me at the shop. After all, how often do you get to ride a bike that you helped build? :) No idea what the frame weights are going to be since there may be some changes on the production bikes (not sure yet).
  • 09-14-2011
    dog
    the geo numbers are up on the web site... looks to be just what i was hoping for :thumbsup:...

    kenbentit, if you ever switch that fork to 120 mm, i'd like to hear your thoughts... i'm running my double with that fork set at 120mm and i really like it... i have not tried it at 100mm yet...
  • 09-14-2011
    kenbentit
    I don't see myself messing around with the fork travel at all. It feels exactly like I want it to and worked perfectly on the DH trails at Deer Valley so I'm as happy as I can be. Even DW liked my setup :)
  • 09-15-2011
    LightMiner
    Forget 29ers, what do you guys think about putting 24-inch wheels on the M4x?

    Do a little trials work with that guy?
  • 09-15-2011
    kenbentit
    24's would work OK depending on what you were using it for. I've setup a couple of bikes with 24" wheels and it's very different for sure. Cornering is quick but top speed is lower. I had a crazy low gear for climbing but had to pick lines a bit more carefully (smaller wheels get hung up easier).
  • 09-17-2011
    SuperBad
    Very interested in this one. Any idea on price? Interbike just finished up, and I was hoping to hear more info. While I am at it, any suggestions for a good pivot dealer? There aren't any within 300 miles of me.
  • 09-17-2011
    kenbentit
    I haven't talked to the guys yet (I skipped the show this year) so I don't know what progress has been made regarding pricing/availability. If you can't find a dealer close enough to you (I assume you've used the dealer locator on the website) you can always go through Competitive Cyclist. They're our new online retailer (US sales).
  • 09-22-2011
    dog
    kenbentit,

    just curious... how much are you using your M4X for your regular riding?
  • 09-22-2011
    kenbentit
    Well I'm not doing ANY riding right now (except for the stationary bike) but before I went under the knife I was using the M4X almost exclusively. I have to run the post at Max height to get enough leg extension but that's it. The bike climbs quite well, similar to a hardtail but forgiving. I just swapped out my parts for a new 10 speed XT kit so I can run a 32ring w. 11-36 cassette. That'll give me a bit of a bailout gear. Keep in mind that I'm a bit weird as far as what I consider OK. Like climbing with the Phoenix... :p
  • 09-22-2011
    dog
    ack... hope you heal quick (ACL?)... i've been trail riding my double quite a bit, and really liking it despite the leg extension issue... i suspect the M4X will be that much better with the DW and all... it may come down to this or a plastic FB if they come out in 2013...
  • 09-22-2011
    kenbentit
    Yeah, ACL and meniscus. Just got released for riding on road so at least I can get off the trainer :cornut:
  • 09-23-2011
    dan23
    Our target price is $2,599. We are waiting for final quotations for the forged parts, and links to finalize the price. Production will begin in a few months for a late January delivery. We will only make one batch per year on this bike. So, once pricing is announced, be sure to place your orders if you want one!
  • 09-27-2011
    dog
    so... there's a chance that this will be more than a one time deal!:thumbsup:

    that would be perfect... I kinda think of this bike as the spandex free version of the Mach 4...:D
  • 11-03-2011
    fua
    my m4x is ordered, gotta pay the deposit tomorrow :D fingers crossed, delivered end of january. :thumbsup:
  • 11-04-2011
    dog
    dan23... yikes! you forgot to tell us that it is time to pre-order!!!!:eekster:

    OK, so now i have some thinking to do...

    I know there is no way you are even gonna hint if there will be a plastic firebird announced next fall... so here's what i've gotta know:

    Will this be the only production run? or is "the plan" (which i know can change at any moment) that there be one per year? or are you just gonna wait to see if there will be one next year...

    you just have to tell me!!!!!! :rant::smilewinkgrin::lol::crazy:

    (bike obsession is bad for me... good for you)
  • 11-04-2011
    kenbentit
    The plan is one run a year, the quantity might vary if demand warrants (next year's run).
  • 11-04-2011
    fuenstock
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I have 2 seat/post setups for the bike so I can use a long one for trail rides and have a short one for jumping/pumptrack/etc...

    How does the m4x do on pump tracks? I'm pretty close to finishing my back yard pump track and would also like to get into dual slalom and thinking this bike would be nice! I curently run a Yeti Dj hardtail, and my joints can use a little suspension in the rear!
  • 11-05-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    The plan is one run a year, the quantity might vary if demand warrants (next year's run).

    oh, i'll get one this year or next... and to some degree i blame you:p... i was thinking to myself how this type of DJish fs-type bike with a more aggressive geometry could easily serve a more multi-use purpose than intended (i.e. non-epic ride trail bike)... so i got my hands on a lesser brand;) of similar geometry and it is a blast for all kinds of riding... anyway, i can only imagine how much better such a bike would be with a Pivoty DW fine-tuned suspension would be:arf:..
  • 11-18-2011
    dog
    three questions::D

    1) what is the recommended fork length range?
    2) any guess at the weight?
    3) what is the max seatpost height?
  • 11-18-2011
    kenbentit
    Sorry I missed the earlier question regarding pumptrack, must've come up while I was sick (yay Cold! :().
    As for pumptrack use, I've only taken it out a few times and I had my big DH tires/wheels on the bike so it wasn't quite as snappy as I'd want. The suspension worked out fine but I was hauling too much rolling weight. It was weighing close to 31lbs with that setup but the more AM combo I'm running now has the total weight down to 28.5 with pedals. That's an XT kit, Fox 831 fork, Sun Charger wheels with Kenda 2.1 Happy Medium on back & 2.35 Nexcavator on front, Code brakes (overkill, I know..), Gravity alloy bar, E-13 guide w. bashring, SDG I-Beam seat/post and Deity Decoy pedals. There's PLENTY of room to get the weight even lower but I like a more burly setup.
    Recommended fork travel; It was designed around a 100mm fork.
    Max seatpost height; I'll have to ask about that. You definitely won't be able to get a lot of seat height but I'm able to do long rides just fine (I'm kinda weird like that though :p)
  • 11-18-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    You definitely won't be able to get a lot of seat height but I'm able to do long rides just fine (I'm kinda weird like that though :p)

    That would be the intent. I would like to know because i would use a reverby type seat post or do what you suggested...

    so, please post up when you find out...:thumbsup:

    can you narrow down the frame weight? Are you talking 7-8 lbs or 6-7 lbs or some similar range... i just gotta know!!!:D

    and is 100 mm fork the only option or is their a range? (like from a "we do not recommend this" point of view)

    and while i am profusely spewing out questions in an obsessive compulsive manner...:o

    What do you think about the nexcavators?
  • 11-18-2011
    kenbentit
    I asked about the max height, no answer yet. No idea on frame weight (there aren't any extras laying around to weigh and I'm not stripping mine down :p). The geometry is "optimized" around the 100mm fork but you can run more travel if you really want to. I can't see ever wanting to go above 120mm, have to ask about that recommendation as well.
    As for the Nexcavators; I'm really digging those as a front tire. It has a very open tread pattern with some meaty lugs that really let you dig in. All in a surprisingly light, fast rolling tire. The profile is quite a bit rounder than the Excavator and the width ends up narrower as a result (at least on my wheels). I'm running it with a Happy Medium on back and that setup is really cool. Kinda like having the XC speed with DH toughness.
  • 11-19-2011
    dog
    thanks, i'll just breathe into a paper bag to keep from hyper-ventilating...

    so what bottom stack height are you running for your headset?
  • 11-19-2011
    kenbentit
    Both are zerostack cups. Same HS as the Mach series bikes; 44mm internal cup on top, 56mm internal on bottom.
  • 11-20-2011
    dog
    i'd like to promise that this is my last question... but... somehow i don't think that's gonna happen...

    can i assume that... if a body just felt it had to be done... there would be plenty of clearance for a 2.35" happy medium or small block 8? (kendas tend to look wider that most tires of the same size to me).
  • 11-20-2011
    kenbentit
    That's what I ran all summer. 2.35 Small Block 8 DH or Excavator. It's not exactly roomy but they fit fine.
  • 11-22-2011
    Senor StrongBad
    How would this bike be as a Trail bike that is used a little bit as a DJ bike? This would be for a person less the 5.5" tall who is really good at jumping but enjoys Trail riding just as much.
  • 11-22-2011
    fua
    i plan to ride mine as a trail/mini dh/jump bike and i'm 5 10. my dropper post should 10mm over the minimum line. hopefully it will be here by the end of january

    @kenbentit,

    is this the correct cane creek headset for the m4x?

    SHIS:ZS44 - 1-1/8" ZeroStack (ZS) Threadless

    SHIS:ZS56/40 - 1.5" ZeroStack (ZS)
  • 11-22-2011
    dog
    right now i'm riding a transition double which is real similar in geometry and sizing (and i guess handling characteristics) to the m4x. i'm 5'8" and the smaller of the double's two sizes is just right as a trail bike for me. beyond that, it is a blast to ride and jump, etc.... it's gravity oriented, so to speak, but it handles very precisely and does exactly what you tell it to do... i'm guessing the m4x is going to be a cut above the double...:thumbsup:
  • 11-22-2011
    kenbentit
    Senor Strongbad; I'm using mine mainly as a trail bike and loving it more every time I take it out. At your height it'll be even easier to get a "normal" fit (assuming you go with the larger frame). I'm able to pedal sitting down OK but the seat is a bit low. I swapped my gearing out to a 10 speed setup with 11-36 cassette & 32t chainring to give me a lower climbing gear.

    fua: Those cups look like the right ones to me. Zero Stack 44 upper and Zerostack 56 lower.

    BTW, I'm planning to do a 76 mile ride this Friday which includes 30 miles of pavement. Guess which bike I'm taking :p
  • 11-23-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Guess which bike I'm taking :p

    nice... thanks for rubbing that in...:madman:

    next time, why don't you just give me a paper cut and pour some lemon juice on it:p
  • 11-23-2011
    fua
    thanks kenbentit

    as for 76 miles i'd need two days! hope you have fun!
  • 11-23-2011
    kenbentit
    This ride is more social than painful. They usually do it in about 12 hrs (lots of stops for eating, drinking, etc... :p)
  • 11-24-2011
    fuenstock
    Can you measure how much you can insert a seat post before it hits the curved part of the seat tube? Im pretty short and curious if I would be able to fully insert my Kindshock seat post.
  • 11-24-2011
    kenbentit
    Well mine is a pre-production bike so there could be a slight variation in the production version (not expected but I don't have one to verify that). My bike has 8.5" of useable seat tube (it's the Large size).
  • 11-26-2011
    kenbentit
    3 Attachment(s)
    Done with the FOTP!
    That stands for "Flight Of The Pigs". It's a big group ride that covers the 3 main riding areas in Phoenix. Total distance is approx. 70 miles with 30 of it on pavement. We ride South Mtn from East to West on National trail, hit the canal and pavement North into Downtown for lunch. Continue North to the West end of Trail 100 (Phoenix Mtn Preserve). Ride the length of that trail, regroup and head over to Papago Park and ride thru there before hitting the pavement and heading back to the start. I rode the M4X and had no trouble on any of the sections. I was geared a bit low for the pavement but that just meant I hung with the singlespeed guys. Very happy with the bike though, it worked even better than I thought it would :)
  • 11-26-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I was geared a bit low for the pavement but that just meant I hung with the singlespeed guys.

    the single speeders tend to be more about having fun anyway... so it sounds like a win/win :D

    ...and more importantly, it sounds like the old knee held out:smilewinkgrin:
  • 11-26-2011
    kenbentit
    I kept a steady intake of vitamin I going so there wouldn't be any inflammation. Should've been more diligent with the electrolytes though, got leg cramps at the midway point :o The bike was crazy fun though; perfect mix of speed and toughness...
  • 11-26-2011
    gticlay
    Is vitamin I beer? If so, good job.
  • 11-27-2011
    dog
    gticlay, are you so young that you don't know what vitamin I is, yet? or are you just saying beer is better? :D

    (ibuprofen)
  • 11-27-2011
    kenbentit
    There was beer as well but much more ibuprofen. One of the signs of getting old :p
  • 11-27-2011
    fuenstock
    That 4x is a good looking bike, and i'm sure it's just as fun! I know the rear shock is supposed to be optimised for dirt jumping/slalom/slope style, but how does it perform for all around trail riding? Hows the small bump complaince? Does it feel hard tail firm with the suspension only softening the hard hits? I'm curious, since for me it would be a dj/pump track/trail fun bike.
  • 11-28-2011
    kenbentit
    That's pretty much how it rides, like a hardtail with extra forgiveness.I believe we're having shocks valved specifically for this bike which will bump up the firmness a bit without requiring as much air as I'm running. I rode one of the shocks that our team guys are running and they have their setup VERY firm (lots of Comp. damping).
  • 11-28-2011
    dog
    when you say lots of compression damping, do you mean they're using the pro pedal? (as opposed to or in addition to that provided by the custom valving, etc.)...
  • 11-28-2011
    davemk
    Ken - Are those Sun-Ringle ADD Pro wheels on your M4X? I am thinking about picking up a set as part of a possible Firebird build, do you like them? How have they held up for you?
  • 11-28-2011
    kenbentit
    dog; The team guys run Rock Shox suspension so their setup is unfamiliar to me.It has a lever kinda like propedal but not exactly. I set the shock up with the same sag as my RP23 and it was crazy stiff. Those guys ride so much more aggressively than us mortals... :o

    davemk; Those are the ADD's, I just got a set to try out so I only have about 100 miles on them so far. They're a really solid rim, easy to seat the tires and not overly heavy (these weighed in at just under 2000g for the set). The freehub is pretty basic but solid. I rode a set of the Chargers for several months and they held up amazingly well so these should be even better. The rim really is burly, I think it would work fine on the 'Bird.
  • 11-29-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    dog; The team guys run Rock Shox suspension so their setup is unfamiliar to me.

    oh, yeah... you keep telling me that and i keep forgetting...:o

    anyway...

    so do set up your RP23 with the usual pivot/DW 30% sag then? do you run with the propedal on? do you jump (like dj jumps) with the propedal on?
  • 11-29-2011
    kenbentit
    For this bike you don't really setup with any sag at all. The suspension is just there to take the edge off things. I'm running 230 psi in my shock and I get maybe 20% sag. I've tried using the propedal settings but with it already so firm I didn't notice any big difference. I just leave it off all the time, although it makes sense to use it at the pumptrack. I like to have the suspension working for jumps though, just for a little extra cushion if I get off line...
  • 11-29-2011
    gticlay
    I never go here even though it's right by my house. I see people there all the time... if I had a M4X, I'm pretty sure I'd at be there at least 2x a week as there's some serious flow:

    Shooting-With-Brandon-and-Liam Photo Album - Page 1 - Pinkbike.com
  • 11-30-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    For this bike you don't really setup with any sag at all. The suspension is just there to take the edge off things. I'm running 230 psi in my shock and I get maybe 20% sag. I've tried using the propedal settings but with it already so firm I didn't notice any big difference. I just leave it off all the time, although it makes sense to use it at the pumptrack. I like to have the suspension working for jumps though, just for a little extra cushion if I get off line...

    so what advantages to you realize from the DW linkage?

    i am asking because my transition double pretty much is like what you described above. nevertheless, it is really sensitive to rebound and the other settings on the fork and shock (which is good)... in my imagination i was thinking that the benefits of the DW link would still come into play (no squat, brake dive, etc...) i was even thinking with my double that i would try to look at adjusting the settings specifically for trail riding... in other words, i'd have one set of settings for djs, etc. and one for trail... this could mean carrying a shock pump in my camelbak... anyway, my gut is that i'll try it and find that it's not worth having two sets of settings...
    the real reason i want to do this is because i love the short, compact geometry of the bike and the responsiveness that creates... and i want it to be a decent trail bike as well... but i don't want the XCish geometry (like steep head angle, for instance) of an XC bike... i dunno, maybe i'm nuts:p
  • 11-30-2011
    kenbentit
    You still get all the benefits of the DW link but the setup is much different from a "regular" bike. I could run more sag if I wanted to but the suspension on this bike is optimized for minimal sag. Even with it set as firm as I run it the bike absorbs some significant hits and sprinting out of corners is on par with a hardtail. Don't forget that I used this bike at Dealer camp on the DH runs and had no problem keeping up with the rest of the groups on full blown DH or AM bikes. You just have to ride aggressively to get the full benefit of the suspension. For me it's like having all the benefits of a Mach 4 with the geometry and burliness of the Firebird. I carry my shock pump as well but haven't bothered changing settings because it works so well...
  • 11-30-2011
    fua
    this ^ is how i hoped it would ride!

    my local trails are fast with lots of roots and a few natural jumps thrown in.

    a lot of fun riding them on my brooklyn (with a front brake)



    should be evan more fun on the M4X...
  • 11-30-2011
    kenbentit
    Yep, the bike really rewards you if you get aggressive and push hard. If you try riding it like a regular trail bike it'll beat you up just like a hardtail. I find myself doing that occasionally and have even stopped to check my shock & fork settings only to realize it's just me being lazy or timid. I'm still amazed at how easily the bike jumps though. I get the benefit of being able to carry speed through the chop but can still loft the bike like I'm on my hardtail DJ. Very much like cheating :p
    BTW; That Brooklyn is schweet!
  • 11-30-2011
    dog
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I could run more sag if I wanted to but the suspension on this bike is optimized for minimal sag.

    ah... that makes more sense then... i know that DWs seem to be pretty sensitive to having the correct sag... so for the M4X it's just optimized around a lesser amount...

    my double... check the bar end cap:thumbsup:


  • 11-30-2011
    kenbentit
    Was that Jill's bike? It's pretty pimped out that's for sure :yesnod:
  • 12-01-2011
    dog
    yeah, and she apparently won a few races on it, too... transition ebayed it at such a price that it was too hard to resist considering all the fly bits... :thumbsup:
  • 01-01-2012
    level-4
    @ Ken, how tall are you, what's your inseam. trying to compare your bike fit. I got to check out one of the production samples when i stopped by the shop last week, looks awesome, need to get my order in :thumbsup:
  • 01-02-2012
    kenbentit
    I'm right at 6' tall, 34" inseam.
  • 01-02-2012
    level-4
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I'm right at 6' tall, 34" inseam.

    cool, thanks
  • 03-08-2012
    dog
    check out this nice picture of the M4X on a pump track... still not available to us mortals :p... but maybe soon :thumbsup:

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  • 03-08-2012
    kenbentit
    Thanks for the copy dog! Here's a sneak peek video of the area we've been working on for the event, I'm riding the Point in this one (really loving that bike btw...). Our hope is to have a permanent version of the stuff in the video (it's a one day event to show what we'd like to build in the Park...) The picture on the flyer is from one of our other projects at McDowell Mtn Park. That pumptrack sees a TON of use and is a big hit for the Park so we hope to do the same at So. Mtn...

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  • 03-08-2012
    gticlay
    :D That pump track is like this bar in cabo....
  • 03-09-2012
    dog
    kenbentit - yeah, our local public pump track at one of our county parks is pretty popular, too... little kids really seem to like it, which is cool and good for the sport :thumbsup:... we are refurbishing it now because it got a little worn down:D

    curious, do most folks at McDowell Mtn Park get how it works? ours has some signage that kind of explains it, but most the adults who get on it don't seem to understand how it's supposed to work (i.e. the pumping). i guess i was wondering if you all have any ideas on signage etc. that can help folks get started on the right track, so to speak...

    gticlay - your all's trails are one big downhill pump track... or is that your point? :p
  • 03-09-2012
    kenbentit
    Clayton: I've ridden tracks that were WAY tighter than what we built. It just keeps you on your toes a bit more :p

    dog: We haven't gotten around to making a "How To" sign yet but I have been thinking about it for quite a while. The best description I've heard yet for riding pumptracks is "Light on the UP's, Heavy on the Down's". It's one of the better phrases for describing the act of unweighting the bike on the face of the roller and then pumping (weighting the bike) on the downside. It's not quite as clear when it comes to the rear wheel so I'm thinking of some simple wording and stick figure drawings to show what the motion should be (think of a stick figure on a bike with arrows for forward direction approaching a roller, followed by the same figure with arrows showing the direction onto then over the roller. 3 drawings total).
  • 03-10-2012
    dog
    i always describe as "pump like as on a swing"...


    somethin' like... (yes, my drafting skills are almost as lacking as my bike skills:p)

  • 03-10-2012
    kenbentit
    Yep, the swingset description works quite well too. You just have to emphasize that it's an unweighting of the bike vs actually lifting it (like a bunnyhop)