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    I had ridden the Bronson and chose the Mach 6 too. Bronson is great...but Mach 6 just felt better for me.

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    Mach 6 frame size

    I demoed the Mach 6 at Flat Rock Ranch and the Medium with the 70mm stem was a good fit. I am 5-10 with a 32 inseam. My current bike is a Large Santa Cruz Blur Trc. The Mach 6 climbed as good as my Blur and is far better at going down. I was expecting the bike to suffer on the climbs but it didn't. It felt as light as my Blur and has to be a couple pounds heavier. For me, this is the "one bike to rule them all" if you aren't racing XC or trying to be KOM on Strava. The Mach 6 is all about the most fun.

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    Maiden voyage yesterday on my new Mach 6

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    Lookin good!!!

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    Let's here what you think of the bike!

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    What State are you in and what kinds of trails do you ride?
    Sweet looking bike. I can't wait to get mine.

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    Maybe I'll get strung up for saying this, but frankly the 27.5 thing is very unremarkable to me. I've ridden a few at Outerbike 2012 which may have been too much on the cusp of the whole boom, and perhaps it is all way better now (29ers got better with time), but I have my doubts. My experience was that 27.5 bike were none of what was great about 29 or 26 inch wheels. So, while I find the whole 27.5 concept mostly to be a fad and an abhorrent mechanism for selling bikes, this bike is very cool. It is the: low slung, short chain stay, nice top tube length cousin of the Mojo HD (which I ride now). What would happen if one were to put 26 inch wheels on this little number? Could a longer stroke shock and fork be run to boost travel and maintain geometry? Would all of Dave Weagle's awesome math be completely screwed, and make the bike handle like a bowl of wet noodles? Would it cause bolts to shear off at inopportune times? Would it put stresses on the frame that were not intended and cause frame failures of epic proportions or even not epic proportions? Would it invalidate the warranty? Would Satan arise from the depths of hell and take Katy Perry as his bride? Would porn cease to be fun to look at? The implications are serious, but I am curious if this bike is capable of being cool without being saddled to the 27.5 concept. Thanks for entertaining the thought.

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    Anyone know the sizing on the rear shock? I'm looking to replace it with a DBAir. Bike's on order, so I can't measure it. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttlemire View Post
    Anyone know the sizing on the rear shock? I'm looking to replace it with a DBAir. Bike's on order, so I can't measure it. Thanks.
    8.5 x 2.5", but I'd ride that Float-X first, as it's getting rave reviews, and my buddy's DBAir feels like poo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hrsjqb1 View Post
    What would happen if one were to put 26 inch wheels on this little number?
    You'd end up with a very low BB and having spent a whole lot of $$ for a bike not designed to run those 26er wheels. You aren't going to damage anything by running 26er wheels other than maybe your cranks from hitting rocks!

    I understand the folks that want to jam some different sized wheels in a frame they own to test the waters and save $$, but I can't see any sense in paying top dollar for a 650B frame and then sticking 26er wheels in it.

    I'd keep riding your HD if you don't want 650B wheels. It's a great bike DW link bike.
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    I'm coming from a 29er and still own an Enduro 29er too that I keep up in Mammoth (love it). But for local stuff around SoCal here I really like the 27.5 size so far. No complaints. and I'm not one to go with the crowd because it's the new fad. I just wanted a great AMDH bike. and it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by juan_speeder View Post
    8.5 x 2.5", but I'd ride that Float-X first, as it's getting rave reviews, and my buddy's DBAir feels like poo.
    Thanks! The 2013 Fox stuff got great reviews too and my 2013 Fox shock is poo!

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    2014 shock and fork are night and day in comparison to my previous 2013,they got it right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by endoguru View Post
    What State are you in and what kinds of trails do you ride?
    Sweet looking bike. I can't wait to get mine.
    I'm in Nevada. I ride typical desert stuff in Reno (rocky, loose over rock hard), and lots of all mountain up in Truckee/Tahoe area (jumps, drops, berms, flow). Most rides around here are basically long climbs followed by long descents.

    One thing i noticed is that when setup with the XX1 in the smallest cog in the rear the chain barely clears the frame. It's so close it looked like it would be an issue so i've eliminated this gear using the stops on the derailleur. That kind of sucks.

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    Just spoke to Pivot and they have heard of the clearance issue in the smallest cog. They told me some people are putting a small spacer/washer in between the cap on the rear hub and the hub on the drive side. This gives the little extra clearance that is needed. I'll see if i can find something to use and give it a try.

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    is it really worth the trouble to have the xx1? just curious. I know it's a big thing right now...having one front ring is a weight thing only? or are u tired of switching gears with both hands? silly question maybe. just curious, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    2014 shock and fork are night and day in comparison to my previous 2013,they got it right!
    The Float X is pretty damn nice. I'd ride it first before investing in another shock.

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    I went from a 2x10 shimano with a clutch derailleur and i needed to run a Bionicon chain guide on my carbine to keep the chain from falling off. I figured since i was building this thing from scratch i'd try the XX1.

    It does what it's supposed to....gears work perfect, no noise what so ever, chain stays on all the time.

    I'm running a 34 up front and that seems to be plenty of range for me.

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    In my 28 years riding I have never seen in my area a bike embraced like the Mach 6,so far three friends and myself purchased one and another soon to order,quite a phenomenon,thanks Pivot for the vision and developing of this amazing frame!

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    In my 28 years riding I have never seen in my area a bike embraced like the Mach 6,so far three friends and myself purchased one and another soon to order,quite a phenomenon,thanks Pivot for the vision and developing of this amazing frame!
    Where do you live and what kind of trails do you ride? I'm trying to find that one bike that fits my riding style here in the Alps. So far I've narrowed it down to the Mach 6 and Evil Uprising. Has anyone ridden both?

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    In my 28 years riding I have never seen in my area a bike embraced like the Mach 6,so far three friends and myself purchased one and another soon to order,quite a phenomenon,thanks Pivot for the vision and developing of this amazing frame!
    As well as terrain I would be interested in your prior bikes. I've got a 5.7c built up lightish with revelation 150 and arch wheels carbon bits and no dropper post plus a lightish mojo HD with xx1 Bos deville and i23 wheels. I ride very rocky rooty terrain with almost no fire roads and lots of short steep technical ups and downs. Wondering about building up a Mach 6 as a do it all bike. I do think the HD and 5.7c compliment each other well and have a decent amount of separation.

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    Anyone riding a Mach 6 in tight twisty techy terrain at low speeds? If so how are you liking it?

    I've read lots of people liking it for fast riding. Just wondering how it is on trails that force you to go slow and turn a lot.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Anyone riding a Mach 6 in tight twisty techy terrain at low speeds? If so how are you liking it?

    I've read lots of people liking it for fast riding. Just wondering how it is on trails that force you to go slow and turn a lot.?
    I rode it at a demo day, along with the Mach 429, Remedy 27.5, Altitude 27.5, Instinct 29 and Solo 27.5, all blinged out Carbon bikes. I thought the Mach 6 was perhaps the best downhiller, but did feel it wasn't the best at tight single track. Oddly, it had more of a mack truck feel than the 29ers.

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    I have been riding techy single track up and down.I have some trials/tech sections with bolder connectors,log bridges and steep slow turning rock faces that require much pedal kicking and precise handling.my previous bike a Carbine was stellar on these sections and admittingly had an edge over Mach 6 with its steeper HA but only have to work and set my line up on Mach a tad to get same results,I also run a 50mm stem to quicken the steering.I am finding the Mach 6 is very adaptive to any terrain once you learn its characteristics and nuances,and of course is just a blast to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilks View Post
    As well as terrain I would be interested in your prior bikes. I've got a 5.7c built up lightish with revelation 150 and arch wheels carbon bits and no dropper post plus a lightish mojo HD with xx1 Bos deville and i23 wheels. I ride very rocky rooty terrain with almost no fire roads and lots of short steep technical ups and downs. Wondering about building up a Mach 6 as a do it all bike. I do think the HD and 5.7c compliment each other well and have a decent amount of separation.
    I think your following me Wilks......or just interested in the same two bikes as I. I'm actually loosing sleep over this issue on wether I should get the Mach 6 or Uprising. I only have the opportunity to demo on (M6) but I really, really want the uprising. Just hesitant about it being a single pivot and brake jack. I ride mostly long steep technical downs and there is no "brake before the rock garden" when the whole trail is a rock garden. My ascend to descend ratio is 1:10. Just some e speculating here but to me the uprising is a fun PNW flow trail bike and the M6 is a technical trail crusher. I don't ride too many fun flowy loam trails due to lack of availability. So it would make sense for me to get the M6, but the Uprising is a wheel set cheaper and doesn't have over ten logos on the frame. GRRRRRRR! I may have to consult my magic 8 ball on this.


    Maybe this was the wrong place to post this as I'm thinking out loud.

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    Ya know that stealth black M6 frame is very minimal on the logo visibility. Still there but not all that noticeable. Not that I'm biased or anything
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Not that I'm biased or anything
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    Stealth black with the stealthy Pike = sickness!!!! Definitely on my Xmas list.

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    Mach 6 Review Thread-img_0034.jpg

    Waiting 2 months now for my XL to land in Australia ! So damn keen to start riding on full suspension again!

    xo1, pikes, renthal, rail wheels, x9 trail brakes, reverb!

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    Waiting on a few parts to show up still and busy with work so this is as far as I've got so far.

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    Demo'd a Large Mach 6 today. I'm comparing it to my current ride of an Ibis Mojo HD of 3 years.

    Good:

    Geometry is dialed. They did have an 80 mm stem on which is just silly long in my book.

    Suspension is excellent. A bit more progressive than my HD which is appreciated. I blow through the entire travel too easily on my HD on jumps even with the proper 30% sag.

    650b is legit. First time I ever rode anything but 20" and 24" BMX (7 years), 26" MTB and 700c road (23 years). The improved rollover was noticed in chunk and chunder.

    Pedalling - every bit as good as my HD. DW link is perfect. I anticipated more pedal feedback in the granny gear as I believe the axle path to be more rearward on the Mach 6. This expectation didn't materialize.

    So-so:

    The cable management lived up to my negative anticipation. There were witness marks and clear evidence of prior rubbing around the shock yoke. They have since routed the cables with small standoffs in the zip ties and this seemed to alleviate that issue but I still think it would required a carefully contrived nest of zip ties to keep everything off the yoke and shock shaft and still moving smoothly.

    Somewhat ugly:

    The rear end/wheel stiffness seemed insufficient for my tastes. As a caveat, the bike was neutered with a silly Honey Badger tire on the rear. Combine that w/ the fact that the O'Neil demo doesn't have the terrain to blast berms or slam it into turns and to be fair I didn't notice it on the trail.

    But carving or small kick slides back on pavement and I could feel the rear end torqueing and winding up. I dismounted and pushed laterally on the rear wheel and it flexed fairly easily all the way to the seat stay. There were witness mark of prior tire rub. Mind you, this is even with that relatively narrow Honey Badger tire. As best I could discern visually, the flex was coming from both the wheel (relative to the rear end) and the rear end (relative to the seat tube).

    All in all I really like this bike and want to try another demo for a longer period and on rougher trails. At this point the downside of the rear flex outweighs the 650b advantage for me but YMMV.

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    I came off a Carbine and in side by side comparison Mach 6 stiffer by far.I currently have Maxxis Highroller II 2.3's on but had the 2.4's for several weeks,now with about two months bike on it shows no sign of tire rub,what are you comparing to? and yes I have and do put it through it's paces! I'm not gentle on a bike and push it hard,so far I am more then pleased with overall performance!

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    Interesting about the flex in the rear. Only person I have seen say this. Every other review says the strong rear triangle is a major plus of the design. He did mention that he didn't feel it on the trail. I'm wondering if it's the wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    I came off a Carbine and in side by side comparison Mach 6 stiffer by far.
    A new bike is stiffer than an old one?
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    Saying something is stiffer than an Intense may not be saying much? I used to be a big Intense fanboy. Owned a Horst style Uzzi SL for 7 years. Moved onto a 6.6 and the rear end was a complete limp d!ck wet noddle. I've not tried a Carbine so I can't speak firsthand.

    But I think the Carbine stays are much like the 6.6 stays were and like the Mach 6 stays as well...they are formed in a somewhat vertical rectangular shape. This gives them lots of vertical stiffness and integrity but less in the lateral plane. Compare that to something axisymmetric like the square-ish HD stays.

    Not bagging on the Mach 6 in the slightest...I want to demo another one and try to isolate how much of the flex was from the wheel. Suspension, pedalling, and geometry were best in class IMHO. I suspect most folks would neither notice nor be effected by some rear end flex. Just reporting what I felt riding, pushing on the wheel, and saw (tire rub marks).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodger View Post
    Not bagging on the Mach 6 in the slightest...I want to demo another one and try to isolate how much of the flex was from the wheel. Suspension, pedalling, and geometry were best in class IMHO. I suspect most folks would neither notice nor be effected by some rear end flex. Just reporting what I felt riding, pushing on the wheel, and saw (tire rub marks).
    Strange...as a previous Pivot owner, I can say that historically Pivot has had some of the stiffest rear ends on the market. Like all bikes, they aren't perfect (I broke my previous Pivot rear triangle). I haven't ridden a M6 yet; but, I would be shocked if the rear end was flexy. I would bet the bike you rode has some sort of issue with the rear wheel.

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    @Dodger. Thanks for the follow up. I think rear end lateral flex is something the bike media need to test objectively. It would be great to see real numbers regarding frame flex from side to side. The front end of most bikes, especially carbon, seems to be sorted out and plenty stiff. The rear is another story.

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    Myself and three of my riding friends have the Mach 6 and none of us have had any experience with tire rub using a variety of tires.I too am curious as to why @Dodger did on a demo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Myself and three of my riding friends have the Mach 6 and none of us have had any experience with tire rub using a variety of tires.I too am curious as to why @Dodger did on a demo?
    Curious if you're running the stock DT wheels? I checked the axle and spokes and all were tight. The Pivot folks somewhat flippantly chalked it up to the wheels but I could see the stays flexing relative to the seat tube. A side by side lateral push of the wheel next to my 3 year old HD and the difference was noticeable (I'd guess off hand 50% more flex).

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    Have a DT Swiss 350 with 36 ratchet kit laced to Stans Flow Ex,front is Chub Hub.others have stock DT.

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    Dodger-curious what size HD you run and how tall you are. At 6'2" I'm on an XL HD which still feels a little too short. The numbers suggest an XL HD is very close to a L M6.

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    I'm 6' even and on a L HD w/ 75mm stem. The L Mach 6 fit me great but I'd want something around a 60mm stem if that helps?

    Side note: I run my bars really high and on the HD the exposed steerer above the headset looks like a giraffe neck. I liked that the 27.5 inherently raises up the front end. The rise of the bars on the demo bike was about 1.5" less than my personal steed but it was pretty close in absolute height given the taller axle.

    The Mach 6 was quite easy to lift the front end and manual, much like the HD. It really seemed like a great all rounder, I'd like to further investigate the flex issue to get to the bottom of it.

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    Love my new mach 6

    Mach 6 Review Thread-img_0056.jpg Feels just as fast as my 29er trail bike, pedals excellent (Pedals seated through rough chatter a lot smoother too), when I sit on it it feels like my DH bike, loves to jump and corners faster, seems to have better traction than my 29er (same tires), head angle is great gives me heaps of support downhill on the steep technical stuff.

    had a creaking noise, only happened while cranking hard, ended up being a cracked stem spacer of all things. bike is all good
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    Nice build! XL? What's the weight and how tall are you? Oh and what 29 are u comparing too?

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    its an xl and i'm 6'3 with long arms/long legs, the 50mm stem 20mm rise bars feel very comfortable. 13.5kg, and comparing to a bandit 29er which is a fairly simple suspension, this blows it out of the water but the bandit is a great bike
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    had a creaking noise, only happened while cranking hard, ended up being a cracked stem spacer of all things. bike is all good
    hello Joel , Great build !!! I'm from France, i bought a frame M6 kit ( black green as you ) with Fox 34 160mm Kashima fork, and have you got any more shoots of you're bike, because i'm hesitate between Mavic Crossmax enduro wheels and the Sram rail 50 as you, i'll like to compare visually thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Have a DT Swiss 350 with 36 ratchet kit laced to Stans Flow Ex,front is Chub Hub.others have stock DT.
    How are the stock wheels holding up? Do you consider the flow EX a better rim?

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    that is a SPOT ON review. and I agree about the cables. but otherwise I can't find fault with anything on this bike after 2 months or so now. LOVE IT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FREDMIT View Post
    hello Joel , Great build !!! I'm from France, i bought a frame M6 kit ( black green as you ) with Fox 34 160mm Kashima fork, and have you got any more shoots of you're bike, because i'm hesitate between Mavic Crossmax enduro wheels and the Sram rail 50 as you, i'll like to compare visually thanks
    check out this thread, Mach 6 Project bike
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