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    That little Direct mount space...cover it up?

    i've seen Pivot has a derailleur mount cap but WHAT!? $35 for an inch square piece of aluminum! Screw that!

    Ibis has one for $5. Great now shipping costs same as the part.

    I think I'll just use a sticker or leave it bare.
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    I emailed Pivot and was really disappointed when they told me it would be $35 for this part. I can't believe you pay $3k for a frame or over twice that for a bike and a part like this would not be included with the bike. It isn't as if less than 10% of buyers are using single rings and there wouldn't be a demand for this part. Leaves a sour taste in my mouth and is a poor decision on their part.

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    Re: That little Direct mount space...cover it up?

    Here is an entire derailleur for $17.95. You could paint it black and write "enduro chain guide" on it, and have money left over for a bottle of Allagash Curieaux.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/Brand/SRAM...FQZrfgodGQ8ADA

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    Someone could probably make a few K by making some plastic caps and selling them for $5 in colors...

    Just sayin in case anyone is interested.

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    The shop I got my bike through ordered it and then let me have it at cost...he didn't feel it was right to mark it up....SOLID!!!!

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    I cut up a piece from old phone silicone case + double tape. Its been there for over a year now.

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    SO if I order an XX1 or XO1 will the cover come with the bike, or do I have to purchase it?

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    Yep, the cover is part of the kit and will come with the bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by aevanlloyd View Post
    SO if I order an XX1 or XO1 will the cover come with the bike, or do I have to purchase it?
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    Dang. That's it. I just needed to order the complete most expensive package in order to get the same cover that they want to charge me $35 for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Yep, the cover is part of the kit and will come with the bike.
    Do frames bought a la carte come with it?
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    You would think if you spent $3k on a frame, they would add such a small part. Love my bike, just leaves a sour taste in my mouth to get nickel and dimed for something like this. I spent $1k on a Pike fork and they throw in a pump AND a complete rebuild kit, which is worth far more than this part. That is a nice surprise and makes me feel good about my purchase. Just throwing feedback out here from an owner.

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    It did not come with my frame...

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    Didn't come with my frame. But in this part of the world, even shock pump we have to buy separately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    It did not come with my frame...
    Lame
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    If anyone has a 3D scanner and one of those covers. I have access to a CNC machine and carbon fiber layup shop.

    Maybe we can make some magic.

    I wouldn't sell them. I wouldn't even charge shipping just to highlight how lame it is of Pivot to sell a $3.3K frame without that bit included.
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    Vik you are awesome. Don't have a 3D scanner but it should be consistent across all frames that are direct mount from any manufacturer. I would happily pay $10 for one if you end up making them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Vik you are awesome. Don't have a 3D scanner but it should be consistent across all frames that are direct mount from any manufacturer. I would happily pay $10 for one if you end up making them.

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    If I do it. It will be free.

    I don't have access to a M6 to scan. I have a 3D scanner I just need the part for 1 day in my hands. If someone with that part can take it to a modern high end machine shop they'll likely have a scanner. Should only take them 5 mins and a six pack of craft beer to scan and I'll do all the post scan clean up. Just Dropbox me the file.

    The part I make would be carbon, but you could paint it blue to match your M6 if you don't have a black one. I can CNC a bunch of those parts out of 1 sheet of carbon so it won't be an epic hassle.

    PM me for my contact details if you can get a scan happening or if you want to mail me your cover for 1 day to help the M6 community.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Do frames bought a la carte come with it?
    No it does not come with the frame. It only comes with the complete bike build of XX1, or XO1.
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    Vik, maybe Pivot would let you borrow one as a good faith measure? Keep us in the loop, would be happy to send you some beer money for doing this. Very cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgman25 View Post
    Vik, maybe Pivot would let you borrow one as a good faith measure? Keep us in the loop, would be happy to send you some beer money for doing this. Very cool!
    LOL - I'm sure they read this forum so if they want to send me one I'll send it back after scanning it [heck send me the CAD files and I don't need to scan it ], but I can't imagine they want someone sending out free parts instead of folks buying them for $35/each.

    I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    LOL - I'm sure they read this forum so if they want to send me one I'll send it back after scanning it [heck send me the CAD files and I don't need to scan it ], but I can't imagine they want someone sending out free parts instead of folks buying them for $35/each.

    I'd be happy to be proven wrong.
    I'll be happy if you're proven wrong too, but not gonna happen

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    So maybe a dumb question but...any reason to cover that up at all? I guess keeping grit out of the threads in case you every DO want to use them. But is there some other reason I'm not thinking of, beyond aesthetics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrewBird View Post
    So maybe a dumb question but...any reason to cover that up at all? I guess keeping grit out of the threads in case you every DO want to use them. But is there some other reason I'm not thinking of, beyond aesthetics?
    You can put a bolt into the threads without the cover so it's just for aesthetics.

    If you spend $3K+ for a bike frame - having it look finished is a reasonable expectation.

    What's ridiculous is Pivot charging $35 for the part. Just include it with the frame.

    Nobody will care if a $3300 frame costs $3265 or $3335 and if they included them with each frame the volume and less handling should knock that $35 cost way down.

    OTOH charge somebody $3300 for a frame and then later as they build the bike have them realize that they need to spend $35 more for a small part that should be included with the bike results in a pissed off customer.

    I bought a $700 Surly frame they included a bunch of small metal parts req'd to set up the bike in various configurations that not all customers would need, but by including the frame was complete.

    Heck I bought a $299 On One frame and it came with multiple dropouts so you could setup the bike in various ways. Most customers probably won't use 'em, but they included them.

    From a PR point of view it boggles the mind that you would sell one of the most expensive frames in its category and not include that part.
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    Yep, agree on it being a little lame. Some frame manufacturers ship frames with seat post collar some don't. Heck when i bought a Banshee frame it shipped with a spare derailleur hanger, seat post collar and seat post (and self destructing pivots). I was frustrated with Pivot customer service when my shock bolt broke. It took 4 weeks to get a new one. I called Pivot up and they made me go through the shop I bought the frame from. The shop is in Utah and I am in NJ. So the bolt had to go to UT from AZ and then NJ. Turner or Knolly would have sent one in the mail straight away direct to me. I broke rockers once and Turner overnighted the replacements to me.

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    To make things easier...instead of 3D scanning can someone who has that little cover and a set of decent calipers measure all the dimensions [including the location and size of the hole] for me?

    I can work with that.

    Measure a few times and send me all the results. I'll average out the errors.

    Close up photos of both sides wouldn't hurt either.
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    Thanks again Vik for taking this on. Your viewpoint is the same as mine. I didn't even realize I needed this part until I received the frame. They really should just include it, and yes, even adding to the price to include this piece is far better than having to call up and figure out you need to spend $35 more. These little things go a long ways towards customer service. I don't even mind ordering a replacement hanger as this is a replacement part. But having to buy a part to cover up an unfinished looking area is quite another issue.

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    Vik, can I just buy one and send it to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Vik, can I just buy one and send it to you?
    Yes! I will only need it for a day or two and I will send it back your way.

    PM me for a mailing addy.

    My boss was just saying the other day no point having all these machines/tools if we can't do something fun with them occasionally! He's a RC jet plane hobbyist so he'll "get" why we need to make this part.
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    Sign me I for one when you've got it figured out... Id mail you a 12 pack to cover your expenses, but it would be cheaper to send cash for you to buy your own!

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    I'll lay up a decent sized sheet of carbon and hopefully be able to CNC a shwack of them in one go.

    I won't take any $$. This part should come with your frame. I can't change the way Pivot addresses this issue, but I can solve the problem for other folks.

    If we cross paths in person I will accept a pint though.
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    Can't believe these don't come with the frame! Just ordered my Mach 6 and expected it to be included. Has anyone had these turn up with their new frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vosh View Post
    Can't believe these don't come with the frame! Just ordered my Mach 6 and expected it to be included. Has anyone had these turn up with their new frame?
    I ordered mine 4 days ago, got it 3 days ago (thanks Arts Cyclery!)
    No little blinky cover part thingy with mine.

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    Ah well. Will need to check with the bike shop then. Won't get the frame till April. They bloody should come with a frame this expensive. And that's not just my cliched Scottish tight with money side speaking! Ha!

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    Great discussions fellas.

    vikb, that's awesome you're offering these to us. I would like one too if that's okay.

    It's just too bad Pivot didn't include these little pieces. Or at least charge a fair price, which obviously $35 doesn't seem fair to most of us Pivot owners who forked over $3k on a frame. OUCH!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Yes! I will only need it for a day or two and I will send it back your way.

    PM me for a mailing addy.

    My boss was just saying the other day no point having all these machines/tools if we can't do something fun with them occasionally! He's a RC jet plane hobbyist so he'll "get" why we need to make this part.
    Just found out that my buddy has one and he happens to be an engineer. I should have the CAD file for you tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Just found out that my buddy has one and he happens to be an engineer. I should have the CAD file for you tomorrow.
    I love it when a plan comes together.
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    Saw these $15 plastic in colors

    MTB Front Mech Blank Plate by jam1ec on Shapeways

    Ibis plain black Aluminum $4.95

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    I love it when a plan comes together.
    Me too. What file format would you like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salespunk View Post
    Me too. What file format would you like?
    I'll PM you to tune up the logistics.
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    I'm a little surprised Kenbentit hasn't chimed in on this thread yet. Any official word from Pivot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aevanlloyd View Post
    I'm a little surprised Kenbentit hasn't chimed in on this thread yet. Any official word from Pivot?
    FWIW - I chatted with a LBS Pivot dealer up here in the Great White North and they said they would provide that cover with the frame. However, it's unclear to me if they would just be buying the cover and taking the loss on it or if that's any change in policy regarding the small parts provided with the frame only.
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    Just an update and a little feedback needed.

    I talked to my boss he's happy to help out and donate the time/equipment. I'll buy him beer to cover materials and supplies.

    He suggested some revisions to the part to make it easier to produce fast and cheap. I wanted some feedback on your thoughts before we went ahead. No point making 'em if folks wouldn't be happy with the result.

    - we need 16 layers of carbon to build up to 4mm of the body of the part
    - we are thinking of using carbon top and bottom for cosmetics and fibreglass in the middle layers to save on the pricer materials
    - I'll sand the edges and then paint them black to match the carbon so it looks nice
    - there is a 3mm deep locating rib on the bottom of the part that keeps it from moving
    - that would require essentially double the material layup and then we'd have to machine 90% of it away again
    - my thought is to skip that rib and just dab a dot of Shoe Goo/seam seal on the mount to stop the cover from moving
    - this is easily removable by hand with no residue if you want to get rid of the cover at a later date
    - instead of bevelling the bolt hole for flush mounted hardware I was thinking of just a simple hole with a small cap bolt
    - makes part easier to build and won't be noticeable from 3' away

    Anyways let me know what you think. I'm trying to balance the level of hassle for my boss who has to help me with the CNC machining vs. the fit/function of the part.

    At the end of the day it has to be something you want to put on your bike.
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    FYI, the Pivot front derailleur covers are more inexpensive now. I work at a shop and just ordered one for a customer, $15.
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    Cool, nice to have a bike builder listening in on their customers...now if they would just fix the rear cabling issue and go to a BB30 threaded BB!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Just an update and a little feedback needed.

    I talked to my boss he's happy to help out and donate the time/equipment. I'll buy him beer to cover materials and supplies.

    He suggested some revisions to the part to make it easier to produce fast and cheap. I wanted some feedback on your thoughts before we went ahead. No point making 'em if folks wouldn't be happy with the result.

    - we need 16 layers of carbon to build up to 4mm of the body of the part
    - we are thinking of using carbon top and bottom for cosmetics and fibreglass in the middle layers to save on the pricer materials
    - I'll sand the edges and then paint them black to match the carbon so it looks nice
    - there is a 3mm deep locating rib on the bottom of the part that keeps it from moving
    - that would require essentially double the material layup and then we'd have to machine 90% of it away again
    - my thought is to skip that rib and just dab a dot of Shoe Goo/seam seal on the mount to stop the cover from moving
    - this is easily removable by hand with no residue if you want to get rid of the cover at a later date
    - instead of bevelling the bolt hole for flush mounted hardware I was thinking of just a simple hole with a small cap bolt
    - makes part easier to build and won't be noticeable from 3' away

    Anyways let me know what you think. I'm trying to balance the level of hassle for my boss who has to help me with the CNC machining vs. the fit/function of the part.

    At the end of the day it has to be something you want to put on your bike.
    All of that sounds great, especially since you're trying not to charge us. I'd say you have full freedom to do what you think is good here. And we're all just thankful for your generousity.

    I actually don't mind a little bare metal spot, but if i can cover it, great.

    As for the $5 Ibis cover. Did you notice the $5 shipping charge?

    And eabos said $15. Interesting. Competitive Cyclist still lists at $35.

    Heck, I'll wait for vikb's cover.
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    Okay cool. I just didn't want to make 'em and have people not want to use them.

    I do QC at composites fabrication facility and it's been "one of those weeks" dealing with problems and problem people so I'm going to get things wrapped up and start the carbon layup Monday.

    FWIW - I think the Ibis cover at $5 + $5 is a reasonable price if it's machined AL. The photo on their site looks like a prototype part out of a 3D printer though so I hope the text on that product page is correct and it's AL.

    I don't think anyone ordering a M6 frame would be upset if it cost $5 more to get that cover with the frame.
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    Vik thanks for taking this on. I for one will enjoy whatever you decide is best since you are the expert. Like I said before I have no problem contributing towards the cost. I know of four other guys now interested as well.

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    I'm happy to contribute to the cost as well. Thanks for getting this going.

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    No problem. No $$ needed. I'm happy to help out.

    BTW - I realized I could whip a part up on our 3D printer pretty fast so if anyone wants one printed let me know. I can probably get that out to you in a day or so vs. waiting a week+ for the composite part.
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    I wanted to update those folks interested in a DM dérailleur cover. Work has been uber busy so I haven't gotten as far as I would like, but I'm still trucking on it.

    Here is a 3D printed sample. It's just a first prototype so it's not awesome, but it would bolt right on no problem.

    I'm going to try refining the product out of the 3D printer to see if we can get something nice enough to use that way.

    I'm going to skip the carbon fiber option for the moment because I don't have time to mess with laying up the necessary materials until work slows down.

    What I'll do next besides the 3D printing is get some covers CNC'd out of AL.



    I'll let you know when I have something to ship out either from the 3D printer or the CNC.
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