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    Firebird new shock question

    I've got the opportunity to buy a brand new rockshox monarch rc3+ debonair shock for a great price. To match the 160 pike forks I'm running

    The shock has come off a new Santa Cruz nomad and is tuned M/L
    (Medium rebound/low compression)
    I'm 72kg about 158lbs I just wondering if anyone knows if this is an ok tune for a small firebird or can the monarch be retuned?
    What is the ideal tune?
    Ive got the fox 2009 rp23 at the moment would the monarch be a better shock as my riding style is very aggressive, over rocky trails

    Hopefully somebody might have the answers!

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    I'd email us for confirmation (info@pivotcycles.com). I know we've done testing with that shock but I can't remember what the final tune was....
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    Thanks ken I'll get onto the email.
    However I ended up getting to try out the shock and was very impressed
    I tried it on my favourite trail so I could compare the 2.

    The first thing I noticed was how the bike sat much high in its travel whilst peddling hard over rock chunkier which allowed more power yet it still felt very plush .
    I hit a jump to flat that's always used full travel and made the bike bounce on landing even after playing with the rebound on the pr23
    With the monarch the bike landed with no bounce and didn't blow through the travel at all. I certainly felt safer as the run out is an off camber bend over loose marble sized rocks.
    I knocked 15sec off a 4.30 min descent and 4sec off a 2.40 min descent that I haven't been able to better for nearly a year

    So yep I bought the shock. The M/L tune seems pretty bloody good if it's not the correct tune.
    I can highly recommend this shock plus it looks pretty awesome to
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    I was just reminiscing about my Firebird. I sold it to buy a Mach 6. My best Strava time was on the Firebird and it was on a 4 mile climb. Can't figure that out and I haven't been able to top it on my Mach 6. The Firebird is awesome.

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    Yeah, there's a reason I'm still riding a 'Bird after all these years...
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    Firebird new shock question

    Great info on that shock for the Bird. I have felt that bounce from my DHX Air.

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    Looks like you could do with a new seat too!!!

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    I swapped an RC4 coil in for the DHX air on my 2013 Bird and it brought the rear of the bike to life like I was never able to achieve with the DHX. Plush yet controlled and composed. I don't feel like I have to give anything up on either end of the plushness and bottom out war. Have a couple different weight coils I'm trying to decide on an then I will invest in a Ti coil to recover some weight. Very happy with the change though.

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    OP. Did you ever find out what the recommended tune is for the debonair on the Firebird ?

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    No I didn't get to find out what the ideal tune was, but it felt good to me so very happy.
    I know pivot like to run a low speed compression so maybe I just lucked it with the nomad tune.
    I haven't had much more time on it of late, I picked up a near new pivot Phoenix, first run, 200metres later washed out on a berm and knocked my self out. Haven't been allowed to ride since. Hopefully I can in a few weeks time

    Haha the seat has been a big discussion point with my mates, it finally died a few weeks ago. Very sad day!!!

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    Did you need the custom rocker to fit this as well ? Seems like a lot of people pulling these off Nomads and selling them.

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    The RC4 fits the carbon rocker. I have the medium/medium tune with the coil feels really good on my bird.

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    The new debonair fits the carbon rocker perfectly.

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    Thanks. Seems like the aftermarket tune on the Debonair is M/M

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    I just emailed Pivot asking the original question. Haven't heard back yet, but it has only been 3 minutes at 7:30pm. I will cut them a few hours of slack

    I'm very keen on this new Monarch, my RP23 has just not worked out for me. Although it could be my attempts to keep the 'bird XC yet still do my regular hucks-2-flat.
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    Any word? I emailed pivot last week as well but haven't heard back. I guess the M/M after market tune covers a pretty wide leverage ratio from what I understand.

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    I haven't heard either, but looking through the 2015 Monarchs, there is only the M/M tune available other than the frame specific versions.
    I may pick one up if the boss allows.
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    Anyone ever figure out the correct tune ?
    Just curious

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