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    Early Mach 4 Carbon Reviews...

    Starting this thread in hopes of soliciting some reviews of anyone who has had a chance to ride one of these things at a Pivot demo. Im in SoCal so Pivot wont be coming back through these parts for a while.

    Doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there on this bike other than what was in the press release. I did stumble onto this today...

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    Well my "review" won't exactly be unbiased but I can offer my honest feelings regarding the bike. I've been riding the final prototype for a few weeks now , it's an alloy frame, Med with a mix of XX1 and other parts. So far I've logged 183 miles on it and I'm still amazed at how capable it is. I can truly say this is the 1st XC bike that I feel comfortable riding everything on National trail at speed (descending). I expected it to climb well but was very surprised at how "normal" it felt to me in the really techy stuff, like big uphill moves over boulders and tall water bars. Keep in mind that my main bike for the last 5 years has been the Firebird and that puts things into perspective. My quick and dirty breakdown is that this bike is like my Les 27.5 and my M4X got together and this is the offspring. Definitely plan to add one to the stable....More reviews will probably be slow to trickle in since we only have 4 bikes in the traveling demo fleet (1 Med and Lg on each coast).
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    Thanks Ken, at this point I dont even mind reading biased reviews, just hungry for more content on this thing. I had no idea there were so few of these bikes on the demo circuit, its gonna be a long wait...

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    Yeah, we REALLY pushed hard to have a selection of rideable bikes for demo as soon as the official release happened but it'll take a while to get a substantial demo fleet available. The few bikes out there are a big help though since people can actually ride something that's only been public knowledge for a few weeks now
    Here's a little sample of what I've managed to do on this bike though. This is one of my main test loops that I use for various bikes. It has a nice mix of loose stuff, steep sections, fast turns, a little chunk and even some jumpy stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Here's a little sample of what I've managed to do on this bike though.
    Nice KOM on "Buttcheeks DH". Haven't ridden in that part of Phoenix myself, but 19 seconds on a DH segment w/ ~300 riders is impressive, especially on a short(er) travel 27.5.

    Pretty high average speed so maybe it's not very chunky (relative to say SoMo), but then that would suggest the mid-size wheels more than hold their own against 29"ers in "rolly" terrain.
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    Yeah, the stuff on that segment is more swoopy with high speed roller rock sections. I can actually ride it pretty fast on my Les too but there are a couple of spots that the extra suspension comes into play. It's cool to track times with different bikes since I can see what really matters over a longer distance. The previous ride I did was on the M4X and I beat my times on the new M4, M6, Les and Firebird but I kinda expected that because the segments had plenty of turns that are difficult to stay online at high speed (which is exactly what the M4X was designed for). It just goes to prove that every bike is going to be "Best" in it's element, you just have to be realistic when deciding which type of terrain you prefer before you get that new ride. Or just admit you can't decide and devote an entire portion of your house to the bike fleet (like I'm doing )
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    Nice KOM on "Buttcheeks DH". Haven't ridden in that part of Phoenix myself, but 19 seconds on a DH segment w/ ~300 riders is impressive, especially on a short(er) travel 27.5.

    Pretty high average speed so maybe it's not very chunky (relative to say SoMo), but then that would suggest the mid-size wheels more than hold their own against 29"ers in "rolly" terrain.
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    Dang Ken the Machine making me wish I had a M4 right now, keeping me pump with these post. I talk to my local pivot dealer and they got 4 on order for fall and I got my name on the med. East coast demo is coming around this month hopefully I can get a taste of the magic.

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    Nice! Get there early since he only has 1 Med
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    Dang Ken the Machine making me wish I had a M4 right now, keeping me pump with these post. I talk to my local pivot dealer and they got 4 on order for fall and I got my name on the med. East coast demo is coming around this month hopefully I can get a taste of the magic.
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    Any idea when they plan to have an extra small in the demo fleet? My wife is very interested in this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    . I expected it to climb well but was very surprised at how "normal" it felt to me in the really techy stuff, like big uphill moves over boulders and tall water bars. Keep in mind that my main bike for the last 5 years has been the Firebird and that puts things into perspective.
    I have a Mach 6 on my wish list if I could only find a local demo but now I am wondering if I should wait for the Mach 4. How did the Mach 4 handle down the waterfall on National?

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    Demo coming to the DC area by any chance?

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    I'm thinking we won't have a full size run in the demo fleet until after Interbike at least. We're pushing for frames as quick as we can but it takes time.
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    Any idea when they plan to have an extra small in the demo fleet? My wife is very interested in this bike!
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    It handled the Waterfall just fine although I did have to be a bit more cautious (not as forgiving as my 'Bird). If I were riding trails like National all the time this wouldn't be my first choice for a bike but for pretty much everything else it's amazingly capable. It can handle the nasty stuff but you have to focus more OR put some bigger tires on which will hamper the crazy fast nature a bit. I'm running it with an Ikon 2.2" rear and an Ardent Race 2.2" front.
    Quote Originally Posted by Set4lfe View Post
    I have a Mach 6 on my wish list if I could only find a local demo but now I am wondering if I should wait for the Mach 4. How did the Mach 4 handle down the waterfall on National?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    It handled the Waterfall just fine although I did have to be a bit more cautious (not as forgiving as my 'Bird). If I were riding trails like National all the time this wouldn't be my first choice for a bike but for pretty much everything else it's amazingly capable. It can handle the nasty stuff but you have to focus more OR put some bigger tires on which will hamper the crazy fast nature a bit. I'm running it with an Ikon 2.2" rear and an Ardent Race 2.2" front.
    Thanks for the honest reply! I think a Mach 6 might suit me better.

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    The Pivot truck stopped in Columbus, OH yesterday which was a first and very awesome. Thanks to Pivot and roll: bike shop for coordinating it. Luckily, they had Mach 4 Carbon Medium and Large. For comparison, I own a Turner Burner and Anthem 27.5 (carbon).

    The bikes appear very small in size. I think it's the extremely low top tube. According to the sizing recommendations, I'd ride a small which seems crazy after testing the medium. The demo had really short stem 60/70mm, Reynolds Carbon wheels, XTR brakes and SRAM 1 x 10.

    In typical Pivot fashion, 100% of the pedal motion propels the bike down/up the trail. It handled closer to the Anthem but the suspension was still compliant over rocks and roots. Not super squishy like the Turner though. I was chasing a guy on a Les who was younger and faster. Able to keep him in reasonable site and catch up on the downhill sections without bouncing myself off a tree. A couple off the hills it seemed to roll up much easier and with less effort than my other bikes.

    This bike is no joke and while it may not be the first choice for folks riding in PA rocks. Most other Midwesterners will be thrilled with this ride.

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    How tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    How tall are you?
    5'8" 29" inseam

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    Was the stand over plentiful? Is it really as low as 26?
    Would you prefer a longer stem? Why small ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    Was the stand over plentiful? Is it really as low as 26?
    Would you prefer a longer stem? Why small ?
    There was plenty of standover room but I've never had much problem with that anyway. The stem seemed fine and I assume they put a shorter one on to match the wide bars. Plus, it makes it a little friendlier for people to demo a medium.

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    Here's a shot from the weekend. This is the proto I've been riding, trail is part of the Constellation section of the Dells in Prescott,AZ. Super techy pseudo-trials riding. No issues at all with this bike! Very happy
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    How do you have it set up?

    Do you think it would be ok with a Pike set at 130mm?

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    This bike has an XX1 drivetrain with the exception of E13 cranks vs SRAM (running a 32t guide ring). The fork is a Fox32, 120mm travel. I like the current setup but I would also like to try it with a 130mm fork and beefier legs for trail riding. I didn't have any issues during this tech ride but I do notice more flex when I'm pushing it hard thru choppy stuff (which this bike really lets you do) compared to my M4X or 'Bird. I'm still amazed at just how capable this thing is though. Never thought I'd be riding an XC race bike that felt this comfortable in the nasty stuff....
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    Do you think it would be ok with a Pike set at 130mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I'm still amazed at just how capable this thing is though. Never thought I'd be riding an XC race bike that felt this comfortable in the nasty stuff....
    Nice thanks for the impressions Ken. Very impressive bike. I'm looking forward to riding it at Interbike and comparing it to my 5010c because I've had the same amazed thoughts about it (very capable for a short travel XC/trail bike).

    At 5' 11" which size would you suggest I demo? I liked the medium mach 6 but suspect I would fit the large as well. I ride a large 5010.
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    Do you think demos will come through Boston again this summer?0

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    I'm riding a Med frame and it feels pretty good to me but I do prefer a more compact bike. My Les is a Lg but I went that route based on what I want to use it for and more importantly, what I DON"T want to use it for (crazy shenanigans that result in a sad boy with a mangled XC bike )The large def gives me more room to stretch out but I like the added nimble feel of the Med. I'm also running a 70mm stem. If I did a Lrge I'd probably go with a stubby set as well....
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    Nice thanks for the impressions Ken. Very impressive bike. I'm looking forward to riding it at Interbike and comparing it to my 5010c because I've had the same amazed thoughts about it (very capable for a short travel XC/trail bike).

    At 5' 11" which size would you suggest I demo? I liked the medium mach 6 but suspect I would fit the large as well. I ride a large 5010.
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    The East Coast demo truck is working it's way back home now so Boston is probably out until next summer. He's in Ohio and Michigan the next couple of weeks....
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    It was a drag to show up at the local Boston demo ,wanting to ride this bike. Being told no deal,it wasn't there.Then that vid shows up with the JRA guys that was shot a day or two later,in the same location. (1 mile from my house).

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    [QUOTE=zootsuitbass;11344381]It was a drag to show up at the local Boston demo ,wanting to ride this bike. Being told no deal,it wasn't there.Then that vid shows up with the JRA guys that was shot a day or two later,in the same location. (1 mile from my house)

    I also went to the Fells demo and was disappointed not to ride the bike. I did try the 429C and was astonished by its speed and handling. It would have been great to compare the two since it will be a toss-up between them for me. The LES was so fast it was like riding a motorcycle but the very low BB did cause a few problems. At 5'-9"/29" inseam the 429C fit me nicely in the small but the 27.5 LES was perfect in a medium, so I wonder how the 427 will fit.

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    Look what I found on the web last night...


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    Well looks like they are starting to appear. A shop near me said they will have a batch in October. Cant wait to hear some ride reports.

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    Yes but to be clear. I assume the pic in the shop IS the medium demo bike that people have been riding. I got it off a random FB post,pure luck. The other pic came from Pivots FB page it self. So I'm saying that we haven't seen a production run frame yet.

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    Yep, we haven't gotten our first production bikes to ship to dealers yet. We're aiming for shorter periods between a bike's official release date and availability but it's always a challenge when you have something new. The projected delivery dates are still on track though. Your very best option for getting on one sooner is to follow the demo schedule and see what's coming near you. Outerbike in Moab is another great opportunity to try out a ton of bikes and work it in as a vacation too.
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    Yes but to be clear. I assume the pic in the shop IS the medium demo bike that people have been riding. I got it off a random FB post,pure luck. The other pic came from Pivots FB page it self. So I'm saying that we haven't seen a production run frame yet.
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    Any body else been riding these??

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    Any body else been riding these??
    I did get a chance to do a short ride on one at a demo day. Ended up actually liking the 429 better. The one thing I noted was several peddle strikes. Other than that, it was honestly a "meh" for me.
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    I've ridden it on an 8 mile demo loop in OH with The Edge Outdoors, and loved it! The trail wasn't anything crazy, but did have enough tight single track, berms, roots, rocks, rollers, jumps and even a couple steep drops to realize I wanted one. I have one on order, end of Sept I'm hearing, we'll see.

    For me it was the opposite feeling from rpanning's experience. The 429er (and every other 29er I've ridden) is more "meh" for me because it's just flat or too stable or boring feeling. I prefer a light bike with a more snappy responsive feeling, playful on the trail and significantly more maneuverable. This bike is still stable, but gives me a better connection with the trail and a bigger smile. I had no issues with pedal strikes, not to say I won't on more tech. rocky terrain.

    I've been testing everything this summer, even went to Sea Otter and Dirt Fest just to demo every bike I could get my hands on. I don't need a lot of travel, just enough for light enduro and long trail rides. 4"-5" was my sweet spot. Otherwise, the Bronson was by far my favorite.

    I'm 5'10 but with a long torso. The mach 4 carbon Large fits perfect, when I tried the SC 5010 the large still felt too short and cramped for me. I also didn't like how the SC 5010 rear shock felt. You either had to give up some comfort and climbing traction by keeping it in the middle setting, or click it over to open and then feel too much bob. I hate switching modes specific to terrain when I ride. This is why I'm going with the Mach 4. I just left it open, and it seemed to have the best balance for ups, downs and flats. Better rear suspension design in this category than any other manufacturer out there in my opinion. When I heard it was only 115mm of travel I almost gave up on it. Glad I did not. I agree with the others when they say it feels like it has more travel than it reads. With a pike 130mm (it's a new option for SC 5010), this bike will be perfect!

    Not a bike for everyone of course, but if you are looking for a shorter travel "do it all" bike that's xc fast, with the comfort, geometry and control of a trail bike, definitely worth a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusar View Post
    For me it was the opposite feeling from rpanning's experience.
    This perfectly highlights the need for everyone to demo bikes themselves! The pedal strikes might have come with the small frame size, I'm 5'4". That or the cranks were longer than usual, I didn't ask.

    Agreed on some of the 29ers, some just felt too big. But there are a few that have felt good, climbed really well. Unfortunately they all typically have smaller rear travel; Salsa Spearfish and Pivot 429. Going for 5" myself, figure it's a good medium.

    And again for the personal preference, I'm actually leaning towards the 5010 at this point. I felt much more comfortable hitting the "big(er) stuff" than on a 4" travel bike. The thing just takes off and soaks up anything you throw at it, so smooth. As for the small cockpit, sure but it also kept my a$$ farther back in the saddle better. Lastly, I might get the sock "Pushed".
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    Hey Ken, since the demo truck wont be comming to SoCal anytime soon when will you have these bikes avail to demo at your factory. Might be worth hopping on a plane for 45 min.

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    We'll be building up more bikes before Interbike but I have no idea what our house fleet will consist of afterward. It's best to call and see what we might have available as these bikes tend to go out to various shops and events that the demo trucks can't make it to.
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    Does anyone have a picture of the mach 4 carbon in size L?

    Thanks.

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    The Green bike up at the top of this page is a Large....
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    Does anyone have a picture of the mach 4 carbon in size L?

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    Thank you. I was already wondering. Looks really good.

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    Ken I preorder a Mach 4 x1 build but I'm having second thoughts since I'll probably swap half the components out. How long is the wait on the frame only build? My dealer said my bike should ship sometime in Oct. I want to pay for the upgrade to Kashima fork and wheelset but I guess you guys can't swap parts over.

    Also the bike will come with sram guide brakes how do you like those compare to Shimano?

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    I don't really have any idea on wait times for specific builds, I'm the one in back packing the bikes up as orders come thru. You can always call and talk to a sales person for more details on specific delivery dates. We do anticipate this bike being very popular and judging by pre-orders that I know of, it's gonna be a similar wait to the M6.
    As for the Guide brakes, they're a HUGE improvement IMO. Lots of power and very nice modulation. The biggest difference between them and Shimano is the same as it's always been. Shimano feel like Shimano, SRAM feel like SRAM. Personal preference, I like my XT's but had no trouble with the Guides....
    Quote Originally Posted by 5power View Post
    Ken I preorder a Mach 4 x1 build but I'm having second thoughts since I'll probably swap half the components out. How long is the wait on the frame only build? My dealer said my bike should ship sometime in Oct. I want to pay for the upgrade to Kashima fork and wheelset but I guess you guys can't swap parts over.

    Also the bike will come with sram guide brakes how do you like those compare to Shimano?
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    Thanks Ken I decided to keep my x1 order. Really want the bike asap so i'll give those sram brakes a try. I have a 34 on the mach 6 which I'll upgrade to a 36 and swap the 34 to the mach 4. Run it at 120 and see how she feels.

    Thanks for the feedback!

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    That's actually the fork setup I want to try out, maybe a 130mm version even.
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    Thanks Ken I decided to keep my x1 order. Really want the bike asap so i'll give those sram brakes a try. I have a 34 on the mach 6 which I'll upgrade to a 36 and swap the 34 to the mach 4. Run it at 120 and see how she feels.

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    I was thinking pike at 130. Although this integration with di2 has me intrigued. Hopefully next year they'll have xtdi2. If I went with fox 34 could I retrofit the eletronic ctd cap?
    Push bottom lock out sounds nice!

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    Oh, ok. Only the 32 in 100mm is offered with the electronic.... Screw that.. Pike at 130!!

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    The sizing specks for the bike are finally out on the new pivot website. Looks like the medium will now fit 5'8" riders. That is different from most other pivot models as that size rider usually falls under the small frame. I was going to order one but now am confused about which size to order. Hopefully we will start to hear from the Interbike crowd soon.

    Ken, what size are you riding?

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    back at post 16 I ask him this and then ask for more fit details of his ride, check it out.
    Short answer he's 5'8,29 inseam and on a med.

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