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    Early Mach 4 Carbon Reviews...

    Starting this thread in hopes of soliciting some reviews of anyone who has had a chance to ride one of these things at a Pivot demo. Im in SoCal so Pivot wont be coming back through these parts for a while.

    Doesn't seem to be a lot of info out there on this bike other than what was in the press release. I did stumble onto this today...

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    Well my "review" won't exactly be unbiased but I can offer my honest feelings regarding the bike. I've been riding the final prototype for a few weeks now , it's an alloy frame, Med with a mix of XX1 and other parts. So far I've logged 183 miles on it and I'm still amazed at how capable it is. I can truly say this is the 1st XC bike that I feel comfortable riding everything on National trail at speed (descending). I expected it to climb well but was very surprised at how "normal" it felt to me in the really techy stuff, like big uphill moves over boulders and tall water bars. Keep in mind that my main bike for the last 5 years has been the Firebird and that puts things into perspective. My quick and dirty breakdown is that this bike is like my Les 27.5 and my M4X got together and this is the offspring. Definitely plan to add one to the stable....More reviews will probably be slow to trickle in since we only have 4 bikes in the traveling demo fleet (1 Med and Lg on each coast).
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    Thanks Ken, at this point I dont even mind reading biased reviews, just hungry for more content on this thing. I had no idea there were so few of these bikes on the demo circuit, its gonna be a long wait...

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    Yeah, we REALLY pushed hard to have a selection of rideable bikes for demo as soon as the official release happened but it'll take a while to get a substantial demo fleet available. The few bikes out there are a big help though since people can actually ride something that's only been public knowledge for a few weeks now
    Here's a little sample of what I've managed to do on this bike though. This is one of my main test loops that I use for various bikes. It has a nice mix of loose stuff, steep sections, fast turns, a little chunk and even some jumpy stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    Here's a little sample of what I've managed to do on this bike though.
    Nice KOM on "Buttcheeks DH". Haven't ridden in that part of Phoenix myself, but 19 seconds on a DH segment w/ ~300 riders is impressive, especially on a short(er) travel 27.5.

    Pretty high average speed so maybe it's not very chunky (relative to say SoMo), but then that would suggest the mid-size wheels more than hold their own against 29"ers in "rolly" terrain.
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    Yeah, the stuff on that segment is more swoopy with high speed roller rock sections. I can actually ride it pretty fast on my Les too but there are a couple of spots that the extra suspension comes into play. It's cool to track times with different bikes since I can see what really matters over a longer distance. The previous ride I did was on the M4X and I beat my times on the new M4, M6, Les and Firebird but I kinda expected that because the segments had plenty of turns that are difficult to stay online at high speed (which is exactly what the M4X was designed for). It just goes to prove that every bike is going to be "Best" in it's element, you just have to be realistic when deciding which type of terrain you prefer before you get that new ride. Or just admit you can't decide and devote an entire portion of your house to the bike fleet (like I'm doing )
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    Nice KOM on "Buttcheeks DH". Haven't ridden in that part of Phoenix myself, but 19 seconds on a DH segment w/ ~300 riders is impressive, especially on a short(er) travel 27.5.

    Pretty high average speed so maybe it's not very chunky (relative to say SoMo), but then that would suggest the mid-size wheels more than hold their own against 29"ers in "rolly" terrain.
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    Dang Ken the Machine making me wish I had a M4 right now, keeping me pump with these post. I talk to my local pivot dealer and they got 4 on order for fall and I got my name on the med. East coast demo is coming around this month hopefully I can get a taste of the magic.

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    Nice! Get there early since he only has 1 Med
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    Dang Ken the Machine making me wish I had a M4 right now, keeping me pump with these post. I talk to my local pivot dealer and they got 4 on order for fall and I got my name on the med. East coast demo is coming around this month hopefully I can get a taste of the magic.
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    Any idea when they plan to have an extra small in the demo fleet? My wife is very interested in this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    . I expected it to climb well but was very surprised at how "normal" it felt to me in the really techy stuff, like big uphill moves over boulders and tall water bars. Keep in mind that my main bike for the last 5 years has been the Firebird and that puts things into perspective.
    I have a Mach 6 on my wish list if I could only find a local demo but now I am wondering if I should wait for the Mach 4. How did the Mach 4 handle down the waterfall on National?

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    Demo coming to the DC area by any chance?

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    I'm thinking we won't have a full size run in the demo fleet until after Interbike at least. We're pushing for frames as quick as we can but it takes time.
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    Any idea when they plan to have an extra small in the demo fleet? My wife is very interested in this bike!
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    It handled the Waterfall just fine although I did have to be a bit more cautious (not as forgiving as my 'Bird). If I were riding trails like National all the time this wouldn't be my first choice for a bike but for pretty much everything else it's amazingly capable. It can handle the nasty stuff but you have to focus more OR put some bigger tires on which will hamper the crazy fast nature a bit. I'm running it with an Ikon 2.2" rear and an Ardent Race 2.2" front.
    Quote Originally Posted by Set4lfe View Post
    I have a Mach 6 on my wish list if I could only find a local demo but now I am wondering if I should wait for the Mach 4. How did the Mach 4 handle down the waterfall on National?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    It handled the Waterfall just fine although I did have to be a bit more cautious (not as forgiving as my 'Bird). If I were riding trails like National all the time this wouldn't be my first choice for a bike but for pretty much everything else it's amazingly capable. It can handle the nasty stuff but you have to focus more OR put some bigger tires on which will hamper the crazy fast nature a bit. I'm running it with an Ikon 2.2" rear and an Ardent Race 2.2" front.
    Thanks for the honest reply! I think a Mach 6 might suit me better.

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    The Pivot truck stopped in Columbus, OH yesterday which was a first and very awesome. Thanks to Pivot and roll: bike shop for coordinating it. Luckily, they had Mach 4 Carbon Medium and Large. For comparison, I own a Turner Burner and Anthem 27.5 (carbon).

    The bikes appear very small in size. I think it's the extremely low top tube. According to the sizing recommendations, I'd ride a small which seems crazy after testing the medium. The demo had really short stem 60/70mm, Reynolds Carbon wheels, XTR brakes and SRAM 1 x 10.

    In typical Pivot fashion, 100% of the pedal motion propels the bike down/up the trail. It handled closer to the Anthem but the suspension was still compliant over rocks and roots. Not super squishy like the Turner though. I was chasing a guy on a Les who was younger and faster. Able to keep him in reasonable site and catch up on the downhill sections without bouncing myself off a tree. A couple off the hills it seemed to roll up much easier and with less effort than my other bikes.

    This bike is no joke and while it may not be the first choice for folks riding in PA rocks. Most other Midwesterners will be thrilled with this ride.

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    How tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    How tall are you?
    5'8" 29" inseam

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    Was the stand over plentiful? Is it really as low as 26?
    Would you prefer a longer stem? Why small ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    Was the stand over plentiful? Is it really as low as 26?
    Would you prefer a longer stem? Why small ?
    There was plenty of standover room but I've never had much problem with that anyway. The stem seemed fine and I assume they put a shorter one on to match the wide bars. Plus, it makes it a little friendlier for people to demo a medium.

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    Here's a shot from the weekend. This is the proto I've been riding, trail is part of the Constellation section of the Dells in Prescott,AZ. Super techy pseudo-trials riding. No issues at all with this bike! Very happy
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    How do you have it set up?

    Do you think it would be ok with a Pike set at 130mm?

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    This bike has an XX1 drivetrain with the exception of E13 cranks vs SRAM (running a 32t guide ring). The fork is a Fox32, 120mm travel. I like the current setup but I would also like to try it with a 130mm fork and beefier legs for trail riding. I didn't have any issues during this tech ride but I do notice more flex when I'm pushing it hard thru choppy stuff (which this bike really lets you do) compared to my M4X or 'Bird. I'm still amazed at just how capable this thing is though. Never thought I'd be riding an XC race bike that felt this comfortable in the nasty stuff....
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    How do you have it set up?

    Do you think it would be ok with a Pike set at 130mm?
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    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    I'm still amazed at just how capable this thing is though. Never thought I'd be riding an XC race bike that felt this comfortable in the nasty stuff....
    Nice thanks for the impressions Ken. Very impressive bike. I'm looking forward to riding it at Interbike and comparing it to my 5010c because I've had the same amazed thoughts about it (very capable for a short travel XC/trail bike).

    At 5' 11" which size would you suggest I demo? I liked the medium mach 6 but suspect I would fit the large as well. I ride a large 5010.
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    Do you think demos will come through Boston again this summer?0

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    I'm riding a Med frame and it feels pretty good to me but I do prefer a more compact bike. My Les is a Lg but I went that route based on what I want to use it for and more importantly, what I DON"T want to use it for (crazy shenanigans that result in a sad boy with a mangled XC bike )The large def gives me more room to stretch out but I like the added nimble feel of the Med. I'm also running a 70mm stem. If I did a Lrge I'd probably go with a stubby set as well....
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    Nice thanks for the impressions Ken. Very impressive bike. I'm looking forward to riding it at Interbike and comparing it to my 5010c because I've had the same amazed thoughts about it (very capable for a short travel XC/trail bike).

    At 5' 11" which size would you suggest I demo? I liked the medium mach 6 but suspect I would fit the large as well. I ride a large 5010.
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    The East Coast demo truck is working it's way back home now so Boston is probably out until next summer. He's in Ohio and Michigan the next couple of weeks....
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    It was a drag to show up at the local Boston demo ,wanting to ride this bike. Being told no deal,it wasn't there.Then that vid shows up with the JRA guys that was shot a day or two later,in the same location. (1 mile from my house).

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    [QUOTE=zootsuitbass;11344381]It was a drag to show up at the local Boston demo ,wanting to ride this bike. Being told no deal,it wasn't there.Then that vid shows up with the JRA guys that was shot a day or two later,in the same location. (1 mile from my house)

    I also went to the Fells demo and was disappointed not to ride the bike. I did try the 429C and was astonished by its speed and handling. It would have been great to compare the two since it will be a toss-up between them for me. The LES was so fast it was like riding a motorcycle but the very low BB did cause a few problems. At 5'-9"/29" inseam the 429C fit me nicely in the small but the 27.5 LES was perfect in a medium, so I wonder how the 427 will fit.

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    Look what I found on the web last night...


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    Well looks like they are starting to appear. A shop near me said they will have a batch in October. Cant wait to hear some ride reports.

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    Yes but to be clear. I assume the pic in the shop IS the medium demo bike that people have been riding. I got it off a random FB post,pure luck. The other pic came from Pivots FB page it self. So I'm saying that we haven't seen a production run frame yet.

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    Yep, we haven't gotten our first production bikes to ship to dealers yet. We're aiming for shorter periods between a bike's official release date and availability but it's always a challenge when you have something new. The projected delivery dates are still on track though. Your very best option for getting on one sooner is to follow the demo schedule and see what's coming near you. Outerbike in Moab is another great opportunity to try out a ton of bikes and work it in as a vacation too.
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    Yes but to be clear. I assume the pic in the shop IS the medium demo bike that people have been riding. I got it off a random FB post,pure luck. The other pic came from Pivots FB page it self. So I'm saying that we haven't seen a production run frame yet.
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    Any body else been riding these??

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    Any body else been riding these??
    I did get a chance to do a short ride on one at a demo day. Ended up actually liking the 429 better. The one thing I noted was several peddle strikes. Other than that, it was honestly a "meh" for me.
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    I've ridden it on an 8 mile demo loop in OH with The Edge Outdoors, and loved it! The trail wasn't anything crazy, but did have enough tight single track, berms, roots, rocks, rollers, jumps and even a couple steep drops to realize I wanted one. I have one on order, end of Sept I'm hearing, we'll see.

    For me it was the opposite feeling from rpanning's experience. The 429er (and every other 29er I've ridden) is more "meh" for me because it's just flat or too stable or boring feeling. I prefer a light bike with a more snappy responsive feeling, playful on the trail and significantly more maneuverable. This bike is still stable, but gives me a better connection with the trail and a bigger smile. I had no issues with pedal strikes, not to say I won't on more tech. rocky terrain.

    I've been testing everything this summer, even went to Sea Otter and Dirt Fest just to demo every bike I could get my hands on. I don't need a lot of travel, just enough for light enduro and long trail rides. 4"-5" was my sweet spot. Otherwise, the Bronson was by far my favorite.

    I'm 5'10 but with a long torso. The mach 4 carbon Large fits perfect, when I tried the SC 5010 the large still felt too short and cramped for me. I also didn't like how the SC 5010 rear shock felt. You either had to give up some comfort and climbing traction by keeping it in the middle setting, or click it over to open and then feel too much bob. I hate switching modes specific to terrain when I ride. This is why I'm going with the Mach 4. I just left it open, and it seemed to have the best balance for ups, downs and flats. Better rear suspension design in this category than any other manufacturer out there in my opinion. When I heard it was only 115mm of travel I almost gave up on it. Glad I did not. I agree with the others when they say it feels like it has more travel than it reads. With a pike 130mm (it's a new option for SC 5010), this bike will be perfect!

    Not a bike for everyone of course, but if you are looking for a shorter travel "do it all" bike that's xc fast, with the comfort, geometry and control of a trail bike, definitely worth a ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kusar View Post
    For me it was the opposite feeling from rpanning's experience.
    This perfectly highlights the need for everyone to demo bikes themselves! The pedal strikes might have come with the small frame size, I'm 5'4". That or the cranks were longer than usual, I didn't ask.

    Agreed on some of the 29ers, some just felt too big. But there are a few that have felt good, climbed really well. Unfortunately they all typically have smaller rear travel; Salsa Spearfish and Pivot 429. Going for 5" myself, figure it's a good medium.

    And again for the personal preference, I'm actually leaning towards the 5010 at this point. I felt much more comfortable hitting the "big(er) stuff" than on a 4" travel bike. The thing just takes off and soaks up anything you throw at it, so smooth. As for the small cockpit, sure but it also kept my a$$ farther back in the saddle better. Lastly, I might get the sock "Pushed".
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    Hey Ken, since the demo truck wont be comming to SoCal anytime soon when will you have these bikes avail to demo at your factory. Might be worth hopping on a plane for 45 min.

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    We'll be building up more bikes before Interbike but I have no idea what our house fleet will consist of afterward. It's best to call and see what we might have available as these bikes tend to go out to various shops and events that the demo trucks can't make it to.
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    Does anyone have a picture of the mach 4 carbon in size L?

    Thanks.

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    The Green bike up at the top of this page is a Large....
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    Does anyone have a picture of the mach 4 carbon in size L?

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    Thank you. I was already wondering. Looks really good.

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    Ken I preorder a Mach 4 x1 build but I'm having second thoughts since I'll probably swap half the components out. How long is the wait on the frame only build? My dealer said my bike should ship sometime in Oct. I want to pay for the upgrade to Kashima fork and wheelset but I guess you guys can't swap parts over.

    Also the bike will come with sram guide brakes how do you like those compare to Shimano?

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    I don't really have any idea on wait times for specific builds, I'm the one in back packing the bikes up as orders come thru. You can always call and talk to a sales person for more details on specific delivery dates. We do anticipate this bike being very popular and judging by pre-orders that I know of, it's gonna be a similar wait to the M6.
    As for the Guide brakes, they're a HUGE improvement IMO. Lots of power and very nice modulation. The biggest difference between them and Shimano is the same as it's always been. Shimano feel like Shimano, SRAM feel like SRAM. Personal preference, I like my XT's but had no trouble with the Guides....
    Quote Originally Posted by 5power View Post
    Ken I preorder a Mach 4 x1 build but I'm having second thoughts since I'll probably swap half the components out. How long is the wait on the frame only build? My dealer said my bike should ship sometime in Oct. I want to pay for the upgrade to Kashima fork and wheelset but I guess you guys can't swap parts over.

    Also the bike will come with sram guide brakes how do you like those compare to Shimano?
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    Thanks Ken I decided to keep my x1 order. Really want the bike asap so i'll give those sram brakes a try. I have a 34 on the mach 6 which I'll upgrade to a 36 and swap the 34 to the mach 4. Run it at 120 and see how she feels.

    Thanks for the feedback!

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    That's actually the fork setup I want to try out, maybe a 130mm version even.
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    Thanks Ken I decided to keep my x1 order. Really want the bike asap so i'll give those sram brakes a try. I have a 34 on the mach 6 which I'll upgrade to a 36 and swap the 34 to the mach 4. Run it at 120 and see how she feels.

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    I was thinking pike at 130. Although this integration with di2 has me intrigued. Hopefully next year they'll have xtdi2. If I went with fox 34 could I retrofit the eletronic ctd cap?
    Push bottom lock out sounds nice!

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    Oh, ok. Only the 32 in 100mm is offered with the electronic.... Screw that.. Pike at 130!!

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    The sizing specks for the bike are finally out on the new pivot website. Looks like the medium will now fit 5'8" riders. That is different from most other pivot models as that size rider usually falls under the small frame. I was going to order one but now am confused about which size to order. Hopefully we will start to hear from the Interbike crowd soon.

    Ken, what size are you riding?

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    Hi
    back at post 16 I ask him this and then ask for more fit details of his ride, check it out.
    Short answer he's 5'8,29 inseam and on a med.

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    Thanks. I missed that as I thought I would always be a small at 5'8".

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    back at post 16 I ask him this and then ask for more fit details of his ride, check it out.
    Short answer he's 5'8,29 inseam and on a med.
    Ken is a little taller than that I believe...
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    edbraunbeck responded he is 5'8" with 29" inseam. Ken is 6'+ I'm pretty sure but he tends to ride smaller frames. I know he rides a medium Firebird which is absurd to me. I ride a med Bird at 5'9" and think it is too short.

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    Fair enough,, my bad.

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    Yeah, I'm right at 6' but I prefer smaller frames for more maneuverability in the techy stuff. My background is heavy on BMX & Trials riding so "Normal" size bikes just feel wrong to me. The Med Mach4 does feel very nice but I'm hoping to get some time on a Large soon. I ride a Large Les 27.5 tho, the Med in that model felt way too cramped for the type of riding I use it for (more pure XC stuff, endurance riding).
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    Ken (or anyone else) you ever spent much time on the 429c? Was wondering your thought between the two; not trying to hijack thread to a wheel size debate, but just curious what you think. I'm primarily an xc racer and currently have a Les & 429c and I'm thinking about adding a M4C to the stable. Thinking the smaller wheels and the light weight build I have in mind might make a cable racer on some tighter climbyer courses.

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    I've only ridden the 429 on test rides. Spent a bit of time on the 29 Les and while it was light & fast, the larger wheels just felt too big for my riding style. The 4C is VERY nimble though, I put in close to 300 miles on the test bike and was constantly amazed at what I could do on that bike.
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    I found this spec on the mtbr review of interbike.

    standard 73 degree XC seat angle is paired with a 67.5 degree head angle, while the offset on the 27.5 fork provides a slightly slacker head angle

    Does this mean in a effort to increase trail their spec-ing a fork with more offset?
    Or simply a miss quote/ print?

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    Just Ordered

    Well, I cracked. I couldn't wait any longer so I put down a deposit for one.

    On a side note I wanted to share what the rep told my shop about wait times. Originally I wanted to go with the new XTR 9000, those bikes would ship to me (could differ depending on your place in the queue) in Feb or March 2015. So I decided to go XT which should ship to me in December.

    Its going to be a long 3 months...

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    Dickbrown you lite a fire; called my guy and ordered the xx1 w/ Reynolds. Switching out the cockpit and brakes. Hoping for a 21lb race machine!

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    I cant make up my mind, im putting an order in for a new bike next week either Pivot Mach 4 Carbon or the 27.5 Turner Flux. The shorter stays have me leaning more towards this but would really like to see a proper review Mach 4 first tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anc67 View Post
    I cant make up my mind, im putting an order in for a new bike next week either Pivot Mach 4 Carbon or the 27.5 Turner Flux. The shorter stays have me leaning more towards this but would really like to see a proper review Mach 4 first tho.
    For what it is worth, I own a Turner Burner and Giant Anthem 27.5. After a 8.5 mile ride on the Pivot Mach 4 Carbon, I noticed that every rotation of the crank just seemed to propel the bike forward. Much better than the Anthem which surprised me. Plus, the Pivot shock sag was set on trail. Dare to see what it would do in Race mode.

    The bike handled as well as the Anthem but the suspension was supple enough to absorb roots and rocks. No where near as squishy as the Burner though.


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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    For what it is worth, I own a Turner Burner and Giant Anthem 27.5. After a 8.5 mile ride on the Pivot Mach 4 Carbon, I noticed that every rotation of the crank just seemed to propel the bike forward. Much better than the Anthem which surprised me. Plus, the Pivot shock sag was set on trail. Dare to see what it would do in Race mode.

    The bike handled as well as the Anthem but the suspension was supple enough to absorb roots and rocks. No where near as squishy as the Burner though.


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    Thanks for the review Ed getting me more excited.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobyrider View Post
    Dickbrown you lite a fire; called my guy and ordered the xx1 w/ Reynolds. Switching out the cockpit and brakes. Hoping for a 21lb race machine!
    Nice! Glad I could help someone over the ledge! Im curious about those wheels. I dont know anything about Reynolds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anc67 View Post
    I cant make up my mind, im putting an order in for a new bike next week either Pivot Mach 4 Carbon or the 27.5 Turner Flux. The shorter stays have me leaning more towards this but would really like to see a proper review Mach 4 first tho.
    The first bike I demo'd back in March was a Flux. It really is a nice bike but I personally didn't get that snappy feel that I want from a 27.5 bike. It has long-ish chainstay's and that might be the reason but its also the reason it climbs so well. I may have been having a bad day but it just didn't steer any better than my current 29er.

    I have also ridden a 5010 and that felt way snappier and fun. I haven't compared their geo's though. Also at that price point I just prefer carbon, but that's just personal preference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Well, I cracked. I couldn't wait any longer so I put down a deposit for one.

    On a side note I wanted to share what the rep told my shop about wait times. Originally I wanted to go with the new XTR 9000, those bikes would ship to me (could differ depending on your place in the queue) in Feb or March 2015. So I decided to go XT which should ship to me in December.

    Its going to be a long 3 months...
    Nice. Any idea what the XT spec'd model will weigh in at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Well, I cracked. I couldn't wait any longer so I put down a deposit for one.

    On a side note I wanted to share what the rep told my shop about wait times. Originally I wanted to go with the new XTR 9000, those bikes would ship to me (could differ depending on your place in the queue) in Feb or March 2015. So I decided to go XT which should ship to me in December.

    Its going to be a long 3 months...
    So, for the XTR 9000 equipped Mach 4C, shipping estimates are Feb/Mar 2015... that's just 60-30 days shy of Sea Otter 2015, when many brands will introduce their 2016 products. Wow. It really pays to sell today what you will actually deliver until next year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by blatido View Post
    So, for the XTR 9000 equipped Mach 4C, shipping estimates are Feb/Mar 2015... that's just 60-30 days shy of Sea Otter 2015, when many brands will introduce their 2016 products. Wow. It really pays to sell today what you will actually deliver until next year...
    Ya, I asked my LBS guy about this and he agreed its a flawed system. Seems like companies should really wait till they have product to ship before hyping it. It was almost 6 months ago that Shimano intorduced Di2, so far not even a teaser for when it will be in stores.

    Im happy to wait for the bike, but good ole XT will suit me just fine...

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    LBS said it left Pivot today; hopefully have some pics and early ride reviews by next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobyrider View Post
    LBS said it left Pivot today; hopefully have some pics and early ride reviews by next weekend.
    Its a moral imperative that you do so

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    "LBS said it left Pivot today; hopefully have some pics and early ride reviews by next weekend."



    Game on! Oh yah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobyrider View Post
    LBS said it left Pivot today; hopefully have some pics and early ride reviews by next weekend.
    Don't worry, no pressure at all. Just take in consideration we're already waiting for your pics and riding report.
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    Tobyrider, I'm curious about your situation. Seems like you ordered a bike around the same time I did. Did your shop already have some in order?

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    I'm not exactly sure how it played out. I've been talking to my guy for the past month about this build. Last Friday I texted him a screenshot of this thread regarding the wait times and he called me 10 min later and said he could get me a sram w/ reynolds now, but I had to decide then.

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    Talk about good timing. Your guy must have a great relationship with Pivot. Can't wait to read about it.

    What color did you go with?

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    Yeah, lucky. I went with the red.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Talk about good timing. Your guy must have a great relationship with Pivot. Can't wait to read about it.

    What color did you go with?

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    are the mach 4 shipping yet? i ordered a xs from lbs here in n.cal but was told end of october at the earliest.

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    Med & Large are shipping now but in very limited quantities. More are on the way and we're getting them out the door as quickly as possible...
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    are the mach 4 shipping yet? i ordered a xs from lbs here in n.cal but was told end of october at the earliest.
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    Early Mach 4 Carbon Reviews...-img_2638.jpg

    I'll get a ride in as soon as I can get away from work tomorrow.

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    Hi guys need all your help and advice, is it possible to put 26 wheels with a 140mm fork on the m4c? thinking of buying the m4c but having to change to 27.5wheels, it really shine me away from it.

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    Now that there is a production one in the real world.

    What cable is that hanging by the bottom bracket?Rear derailleur? That looks like trouble waiting to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zootsuitbass View Post
    Now that there is a production one in the real world.

    What cable is that hanging by the bottom bracket?Rear derailleur? That looks like trouble waiting to happen.
    No please, it's the purest style Specialized route cables.

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    Congrats, nice looking bike!! My only concern is... I don't really like that RD cable dangling from the down tube. Probably just needs to be shortened...??
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    Nicely done tobyrider, you may have the first one known to man. Im diggin the red for sure, I have a blue on order.

    I went back and looked at the production picks and it appears the hanging cable should be able to be shortened but Im sure you'll let us know the realities of that, and everything else.

    looking forward to hearing your ride comments.

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    All the cables are long right now, I'm just going to do a couple of preliminary rides and then LBS is going to cut steerer and clean up tubes. I've also got some different rotors and seat post coming in, I just couldn't let this thing sit at the shop!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickbrown View Post
    Nicely done tobyrider, you may have the first one known to man. Im diggin the red for sure, I have a blue on order.

    I went back and looked at the production picks and it appears the hanging cable should be able to be shortened but Im sure you'll let us know the realities of that, and everything else.

    looking forward to hearing your ride comments.

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    First ride today was a very flat and fast trail with some tight treed areas and plenty of swoopy turns, but a lot of open pedaling. I didn't think this would be an ideal testing ground against my 429c & Les 29, but this is where my buddies were going and there's a race there this weekend. This is a trail I've ridden countless times and raced several times.

    Immediately I noticed how fun the bike is, it just wants to jump and play. Also, noticed pretty quick how effortless the climbing was (what little climbing there is), how much easier the smaller wheels turned and how fast the accelerations are compared to the 29ers. The Mach 4 is also more plush than the 429c; maybe it's the geo or maybe it's the extra 15mm of rear??

    This was a group ride so not a total race effort by any means, but we had some pushes. The bike felt VERY fast, but I was wondering during the ride if this was just the sensation of the smaller wheels and if I was actually going as fast as on the 29ers. I concluded during the ride that faster or not the bike was so much fun I really didn't care; I knew this was going to be my go to bike in the immediate future!

    Below is the link to Strava, I was surprised on how many PRs I had; keep in mind I've had several hot laps out here before on the 29ers. I also included a picture of a segment that really surprised me; very flat sprint with wide swoopy turns that's been on every race I've done out there. The kind of segment that you'd think 29er on all day, but I was faster today.

    Anyways, I think the bike is a home run and I can't wait to get it on some more technical trials with some elevation.. I'm not going to get any work done this week!

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    Sweet - I'm so excited to finally hear a real person review it! Thanks for posting.

    Wondering when they're going to get some small frames out there so I can demo (or buy) one...

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    What size frame is that and how tall are you? These bikes seem to have a ton off seat post exposed. I am 6ft 1.5in, trying to figure out if I'm too big for this. Congrats on the new ride.

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    Thanks. 5'10 and its a medium. It is a reach to the bottle cage for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Adim_X View Post
    What size frame is that and how tall are you? These bikes seem to have a ton off seat post exposed. I am 6ft 1.5in, trying to figure out if I'm too big for this. Congrats on the new ride.

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    tobyrider: Is your rear der housing routed thru the upper or lower cable port? The lower is where you want it to be, the upper port is intended for use with a sideswing front der.
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    Thanks Ken, it's in the upper. I'll let the LBS know.

    Quote Originally Posted by kenbentit View Post
    tobyrider: Is your rear der housing routed thru the upper or lower cable port? The lower is where you want it to be, the upper port is intended for use with a sideswing front der.

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    Cool. We're still working on getting a cable routing diagram for that bike ready to post. There's no real problem running it the way yours is but the lower port will tidy up the cabling a lot.
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    Thanks Ken, it's in the upper. I'll let the LBS know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tobyrider View Post
    First ride today was a very flat and fast trail with some tight treed areas and plenty of swoopy turns, but a lot of open pedaling. I didn't think this would be an ideal testing ground against my 429c & Les 29, but this is where my buddies were going and there's a race there this weekend. This is a trail I've ridden countless times and raced several times.

    Immediately I noticed how fun the bike is, it just wants to jump and play. Also, noticed pretty quick how effortless the climbing was (what little climbing there is), how much easier the smaller wheels turned and how fast the accelerations are compared to the 29ers. The Mach 4 is also more plush than the 429c; maybe it's the geo or maybe it's the extra 15mm of rear??

    This was a group ride so not a total race effort by any means, but we had some pushes. The bike felt VERY fast, but I was wondering during the ride if this was just the sensation of the smaller wheels and if I was actually going as fast as on the 29ers. I concluded during the ride that faster or not the bike was so much fun I really didn't care; I knew this was going to be my go to bike in the immediate future!

    Below is the link to Strava, I was surprised on how many PRs I had; keep in mind I've had several hot laps out here before on the 29ers. I also included a picture of a segment that really surprised me; very flat sprint with wide swoopy turns that's been on every race I've done out there. The kind of segment that you'd think 29er on all day, but I was faster today.

    Anyways, I think the bike is a home run and I can't wait to get it on some more technical trials with some elevation.. I'm not going to get any work done this week!
    Very nice! I'm interested to see how it does on some of the rockier stuff. If you happen to get down to Austin, let me know how it does in the chunky stuff!

    There's a Pivot demo coming up in Oct @ Cycle Progression, so hoping to try one there and compare to my 429C.

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    I'm going to Moab next week. I'm debating taking the M4c or the 429c. I think I'd rather be on the M4c at this point, but the "new" isn't worn off yet and I'm afraid to travel with it. Ha! No better testing ground though!

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    Tobyrider thats a sick ride you got!! I bet its a blast to whip and look for obstacle to launch off. I can't wait to get mine. U gotta take it to Moab.

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    Awesome,,,, I'm so getting one. I think a lot of people will have that much seat post if they fit to the reach length.

    That's the main reason I'm SO stoked on this on is that I need a bike with a long TT/reach and low stand over.

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    Early Mach 4 Carbon Reviews...

    Don't leave us hanging! Were you able to get a second ride, Toby?
    I've had a sm and xs on order since June. I'm dying to hear your review after a more tech ride with some elevation.

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    Ha! I did get another couple of hours yesterday, but nothing new to report, just that I love this freakn bike! The trail was another tame one, but offered a little more fast downhills; just enough to make me really want to get this bike on a proper trial. It's at the shop getting the RD cable rerouted, shock flipped and steerer cut. We're getting rain today in Dallas, but this weekend will be some big rides on some more technical trials and then I've decided to take the M4 to Moab next week so I'll get a really good feel for the bike over the next week and of course report back. I have a feeling I already know what I'm going to have to say about it though!

    Quote Originally Posted by toddchism View Post
    Don't leave us hanging! Were you able to get a second ride, Toby?
    I've had a sm and xs on order since June. I'm dying to hear your review after a more tech ride with some elevation.

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    Early Mach 4 Carbon Reviews...

    Thanks for the feedback, Toby. Looking forward to hearing your review, after Moab!

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    Early Mach 4 Carbon Reviews...-img_1132.jpgI rode one today for 3 minutes.... I want it! Mainly because of fit. It was a Med and it has a amazing amount of stand over clearance.
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