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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?

    I've heard the Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike is a magic setup. Have any of you used it on the Mach 6?

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    I'm about to pull the trigger to start a build with that setup... anyone done it yet?

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    I asked the shop that sold me my Mach 6 frame about the CCDBA and it sounds like it's definitely an option. One thing to note is that you can't just grab any 8.5 x 2.5 CCDBA. You need to have somebody special order you one that's compatible. I believe you need the "15mm open end-eye" version of the CCDBA to ensure that it plays nice with the Mach 6's linkage. Let us know if you snag one.

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    I will be building one up on Wednesday with a Pike and a new Rock Shox Debon Air Monarch+ which I am really excited to try. That shock got unbelievable reviews.

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    Yeah, you're right... There's a specific part number for the compatible eyelet version. I was wondering if anyone has done it and if they have a tuning for the CCDBA that works well? CC hasnt established a base tuning yet for the mach 6...

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    FWIW I rode a CCDBA on my Endorphin and found that the Float-X feels just as good on the M6. I'm sure if you spend hours and hours though tweaking that thing it might be better. So many possible combinations though!

    Good luck!

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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?-m6-cb-air.jpg
    I just installed a a DB Air CS yesterday. First ride was SICK!!! We are a Pivot Dealer and the one for the M6 needs to come directly from Cane Creek. Let me know if you need one.

    Definitely better than the Float X with little tuning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedraceratl View Post
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    I just installed a a DB Air CS yesterday. First ride was SICK!!! We are a Pivot Dealer and the one for the M6 needs to come directly from Cane Creek. Let me know if you need one.

    Definitely better than the Float X with little tuning.
    Hi Speedraceratl,
    What size is our frame? Do you think it will fit on a Med?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToneLOcust View Post
    Hi Speedraceratl,
    What size is our frame? Do you think it will fit on a Med?

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    mine is a medium
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    More feedback on performance. Just put 30 more miles on her yesterday which included 4500' of climbing and almost 5000' of descents. Not sure I could go back to the Float X. I have more control in the turns and can attack turns with more speed without the rear sinking through the travel. Really impressive on the climbing. No bobbing just a nice steady ride. And that's a 36T I'm pushing.

    Oh and it screams through the rough stuff coming down. Just monster trucks everything.
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    If anybody is looking to pick up a CCDB Air that's compatible with the Mach 6 you'll need to have you shop order Cane Creek Part #BAD0919. For hardware you need to specify 8x22. Sounds like it's pretty much a semi-custom effort from Cane Creek. Definitely nice that they are offering something that works.

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    PM me if you want one. comes with mounting HW.
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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?

    Ha! I just saw that bad boy in the shop when I picked up my new Pike the other day. Nice ride!

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    So how does the bottom out feel? And as far as sag on CC...is it just like the X or sit higher or lower in travel?

    I have the PIKE, but I don't think the X is a "great" rear shock for the 6.....

    What does this shock run $ wise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    So how does the bottom out feel? And as far as sag on CC...is it just like the X or sit higher or lower in travel?

    I have the PIKE, but I don't think the X is a "great" rear shock for the 6.....

    What does this shock run $ wise?
    so I have mine set at 30% sag and have yet to bottom it out. but I have not taken any huge drops as of yet. with the CS switch on or off it sits in the same area as the sag. with the CS switch on you do not feel the platform as much as you do with the Fox.

    Price wise msrp is $675 I can get you on one for considerably less. Heck if there was a group buy I would support that.
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    also I have mine set up for pedaling efficiency so while it is plush it is only to a certain extent. this works well for me. you may be different and that is where this shock shines because you can adjust to your liking
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedraceratl View Post
    Not sure I could go back to the Float X.
    Not surprised . Fox is the best thing that ever happened for the Avy guy .
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    I may pull the trigger on a CCDBA for the Mach 6 through SpeedRacerAtl's shop. Let me know if you're interested in a group buy in the next few days and we may able to swing a slightly better deal. We'd all be going through a reputable shop in Atlanta.

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    i may be interested in this as well. looking at the m6 pike and this rear shock for my build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OriginalDonk View Post
    I may pull the trigger on a CCDBA for the Mach 6 through SpeedRacerAtl's shop. Let me know if you're interested in a group buy in the next few days and we may able to swing a slightly better deal. We'd all be going through a reputable shop in Atlanta.
    I would be interested in a group buy as well....I talked to him about the price, if we could get that a little lower, that would be sweet

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    Hmm, the CC DB Air sounds promising. But dang, these things are expensive. $519 is the best I've seen.

    I wonder how the new Rock Shox Monarch Plus DebonAir compares? I am a big fan of RS goods over Fox for sure. The Debon's are about $500 so not far in price from the DB.
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    I'd be interested too...am in the process of finalizing the parts I want for a build...the CCDBA is definitely on the list...(along with the pike)

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    Looks like 4 or 5 of us would be willing to go through SpeedRacerAtl for a CCDBA. Hopefully we can score a bit of a deal. Anybody else interested? Any idea on wait times ATL?

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    So basically it is a standard CC DBA CS or non CS which is eye to eye 8.5 x 2.5 shaft length, the only thing that is special order is the eyelet hardware which is 8x22, is that correct?

    I have a friend that will let me borrow a DBA off his RUNE and see if I like it, same measurements, the only thing is the eyelets are a tad smaller than the X....so sometime this weekend, we'll see if that can be done swapping out different fit kits and such.

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    Look forward to hearing if you can pull it off. The way I understand it is that the standard CCDBA won't fit on the Mach 6 and you need to special order a shock with a slightly different eyelet spec. Let us know how it goes.

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    OD you are correct. This is quoted from their website:
    "DBAIR-CS will not fit XS frame. Requires 15mm open end-eye. Shock must be ordered specifically for Mach 6; stock shocks cannot be modified."
    Also I think the tune is different, not saying you can't adjust it to what the base tune of the Pivot model is but I had to do very little tinkering with it to get it to where I liked it.
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    Since the Cane creek has a 14.7mm eyelet size I wonder if it would be possible to turn down the mount bolt from 15mm to make a standard DB fit? I don't have a Mach 6 so I haven't seen the mounting hardware, just thinking,,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottW View Post
    Since the Cane creek has a 14.7mm eyelet size I wonder if it would be possible to turn down the mount bolt from 15mm to make a standard DB fit? I don't have a Mach 6 so I haven't seen the mounting hardware, just thinking,,,
    I was wondering the same thing. Can't we just use a bushing/reducer to make it fit? If we have to buy direct from CC then we're paying full MSRP. I refuse to pay full retail on anything. Dang, now we're pushing $700 after shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    I was wondering the same thing. Can't we just use a bushing/reducer to make it fit? If we have to buy direct from CC then we're paying full MSRP. I refuse to pay full retail on anything. Dang, now we're pushing $700 after shipping.
    myitch, read previous posts regarding group buy.
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    The RWC needle bearing guy mentioned boring out 14.7mm eyelets to 15mm for some cheap amount, around $25. CC made these shocks w/ several eyelet sizes, there's a long post about it somewhere here.
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    My thought is change the size of the mounting bolt rather than modifying the shock. A bolt should be cheap and then any CCDB would fit.

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    I think the issue is that there is no mounting bolt passing through the eyelet of the shock. The the diameter of the clevis plays nice with the Fox Float X eyelet. I imagine you could cut a reducer bushing to get a large CCDBA eyelet down to the clevis diameter if somebody wants to go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScottW View Post
    My thought is change the size of the mounting bolt rather than modifying the shock. A bolt should be cheap and then any CCDB would fit.
    Then you have a stress riser where the reduction meets the original diameter on Pivot's pin. Making the eyelet 15mm just makes it compatible with more things.
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    I will see what can be done when I get it it my hands....if anything, go down to the local ACE hardware/Tru-value and see what fits. they usually have those odd ball parts in stock for anything.

    I will take some pics of how this turns out, if it does happen. This CC DBA is the first generation...I know Kenny from PIVOT and I'll be riding with him this weekend, he has a CC DBA on his Firebird...but he had to special order a narrower body to work since it is vertical mount.

    I'll have to find out if the settings for the CC DBA for the 5.7 listed on the CC site are a close enough starting point for the M6 as well.....Fingers crossed.

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    While I like tinkering and making things work that are not necessarily suppose to, this alternative about reducing the eyelet and/or clevis seems like a lot to go through rather than just get the right part for the job. Just my opinion though.

    If you put a dollar value on your time (which I do to keep myself from being too involved in some projects) this has the potential outweigh any benefits rather than fit and some sense of accomplishment. Another opinion
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    I think trying to find either a bolt to fit or enlarging the mount hole are the best options as mentioned above. That way we can use any DB Air shock and not have to buy one direct. I mean we're talking 0.3mm. That's nothing major at all
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    Well...after talking to Kenny this morning...you are correct. It needs to be a special order, not just because of the mounting hole diameter etc....the whole eyelet that is the mounting point, is different and will not slide all the way into the Pivot M6 shock mounting points.

    Same was true for his Firebird....CC just had to be different than all the rest of the shock mfgrs and be just a little bit different.

    He basically said that if a CC DBA is a 10, then a Float X is a 7….strictly based on fine tuning adjustment.

    He also mentioned getting the X Avalanched or add spacers in the air chamber, similar to how the RS PIKE has air tokens....maybe another thought...just enough to tweak it a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    the whole eyelet that is the mounting point, is different and will not slide all the way into the Pivot M6 shock mounting points.
    Both ends, or just the rear horse shoe link?
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    My understanding is both ends....neither will fit one way or the other....won't slide in or the eyelet is too narrow/skinny=sloppy, you would have to shim it.

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    I will have a DB Air CS available for shipping come tomorrow. So if you had been thinking about it but did not want to wait here's your chance.
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    SpeedracerATL,

    do you know if the CCDBA CS comes from the factory preset? What setting are you running? I ask so I can have some sort of starting point.

    HSC
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    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToneLOcust View Post
    SpeedracerATL,

    do you know if the CCDBA CS comes from the factory preset? What setting are you running? I ask so I can have some sort of starting point.

    HSC
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    % sag + air pressure and your weight

    Thanks,
    There is a factory preset. I'm travelling at the moment so I am unable to give you the settings you are asking for. However I'm running 30% sag and I weigh 180lbs maybe 190 with gear.
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    Is there anyone else who's been running a CC with astounding results? I'd just like to hear more from others real world experiences.
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    Will this still give the same geo that pivot had intended on? Is it still running at 155mm of rear travel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ToneLOcust View Post
    SpeedracerATL,

    do you know if the CCDBA CS comes from the factory preset? What setting are you running? I ask so I can have some sort of starting point.

    HSC
    LSC
    HSR
    LSR
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    % sag + air pressure and your weight

    Thanks,

    The info is listed on the CC website....

    As for me...I think I am going to get my X Avalached - SSD and extended res. cap.....half the cost of the CC DB and who knows..just might be the key

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    The info is listed on the CC website....

    As for me...I think I am going to get my X Avalached - SSD and extended res. cap.....half the cost of the CC DB and who knows..just might be the key
    +1 - that's the way I am leaning. Love the Avy shock on my Nomad. Best $$ I spent on that bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickyla2 View Post
    Will this still give the same geo that pivot had intended on? Is it still running at 155mm of rear travel?
    changing the shock does not change the angles or geometry, or the frame's travel unless you get a shock with a different eye to eye or stroke length. if the shock works well you get improved responsiveness, better rebound and compression damping, reduced brake dive, better small bump compliance. these are usually things a tuner, like PUSH, sets up for considering your riding style, weight, leverage ratio of the frame you're using. but with this cc db air, you supposed can adjust all that yourself and not have to take it to a tuner and pay $100-200+.

    But i'd still like to hear from some real end consumers, also known as bikers, who have actual ride experiences on this wallet-busting shock. besides speedracer, who raves about the shock but also just happens to own a bike shock that, oh natually just happens sells them them too. no offense speedracer but its just too convenient and you may not be unbiased.

    im sure it's an awesome shock but we just spent $3k on the frame. Now to spend another $6 (after shipping and whatevahs) is just nuts to me. But who am I so say. I just spent $1400 on a frickin wheelset too. not okay. i'm gonna be broke and make payments on my cc. ratings will go down. okahy, i'm ranting and raving. i'm tired over and out...
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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    But i'd still like to hear from some real end consumers, also known as bikers, who have actual ride experiences on this wallet-busting shock. besides speedracer, who raves about the shock but also just happens to own a bike shock that, oh natually just happens sells them them too. no offense speedracer but its just too convenient and you may not be unbiased.
    No offense taken myitch I'm not itching for sales and anybody that knows me knows that I'm not into pressuring or pushing products on to people that I do not believe in. As a matter of fact I saw the interest and was filling the void at a more attractive price point for us M6 riders. I just shipped one to another board member so you will have another rider shortly and get an "unbiased" opinion

    Ok and now for my plug: If someone wants one I have one available for immediate shipping.
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    Edit: email directly from Cane Creek...

    "Both the DBAir-CS and DBInline will fit the Mach 6 and either would be a good choice (the inline if you want to save some weight). If you go with the DBAir-CS, note that you will need a specific shock with part number (BAD0919). Both shocks will change your life. Please let me know if you need anything else. "

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    Yes there is. We called yesterday, and were told there was. But these are not quite available yet for any bike.
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    Going DBinline for mostly Enduro and trail!

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    I thought of the Inline also, but they won't fit a small frame. Oh well...
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    so will the db air inline work for the mach 6 frame? It says its compatible for up to 150mm. the m6 is 155.

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    Yes. Db air inline is not compatible. But ccdb cs yes !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by zigzag84 View Post
    Yes. Db air inline is not compatible. But ccdb cs yes !!
    Wrong answer...read my previous post with an email directly from Cane Creek...it WILL fit the MACH 6

    Email directly from Cane Creek...

    "Both the DBAir-CS and DBInline will fit the Mach 6 and either would be a good choice (the inline if you want to save some weight). If you go with the DBAir-CS, note that you will need a specific shock with part number (BAD0919). Both shocks will change your life. Please let me know if you need anything else. "

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    Hi,

    What is your setup for db air on Pivot ??

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    Going to put my Float X up for sale if someone wants it. 2 months of riding.
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    Got word that Suspension Experts do a bang up job on Float X with Push tuning for 250.00.considering the cost of the DBair at more then double for a slighly more performance edge has me thinking on it.

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    Dang. Conflicting reports. The CC website say DB Air will NOT fit the Mach 6, while the DB Air 'CS' will NOT fit an XS frame. When I called, the tech said no fit of either shock on the small frames. Confused.

    BUT the Inline WILL fit all sizes.
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    Did anyone pull the trigger yet? Decided to tweak the X here and there with the settings and psi+10, it's better so far.

    CC DBA Inline or Avalanche the X...?

    I will wait til the end of the summer to make a decision.

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    Ordered ithe DBinline yesterday,at an amazing price from LBS,feel it will fit my needs better for Enduros and Super D with majority of my time trail and play riding, do not feel the nessesity to have a CCDB or Fox X type shock.

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    I cant put it on my 5.7 because its a small frame. Bummer! Enjoy

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    if it helps at all, i just put a ccdb cs on my nomad carbon, and this thing is amazing. ive only ridden an rp23 and a monarch. no other resevoir shocks

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    I use the Pivot Mach 6 with the CCDB CS on Medium Size and a friend on a Small size and it works amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myitch View Post
    changing the shock does not change the angles or geometry, or the frame's travel unless you get a shock with a different eye to eye or stroke length. if the shock works well you get improved responsiveness, better rebound and compression damping, reduced brake dive, better small bump compliance. these are usually things a tuner, like PUSH, sets up for considering your riding style, weight, leverage ratio of the frame you're using. but with this cc db air, you supposed can adjust all that yourself and not have to take it to a tuner and pay $100-200+.

    But i'd still like to hear from some real end consumers, also known as bikers, who have actual ride experiences on this wallet-busting shock. besides speedracer, who raves about the shock but also just happens to own a bike shock that, oh natually just happens sells them them too. no offense speedracer but its just too convenient and you may not be unbiased.

    im sure it's an awesome shock but we just spent $3k on the frame. Now to spend another $6 (after shipping and whatevahs) is just nuts to me. But who am I so say. I just spent $1400 on a frickin wheelset too. not okay. i'm gonna be broke and make payments on my cc. ratings will go down. okahy, i'm ranting and raving. i'm tired over and out...
    Great post.

    Sorry I'm late to the party and have not read the entire thread - short on time right now.

    The Fox is not bad but like the rear Fox on another bike of mine I find it blows through its travel way too easily. I can bottom it out without trying - though the bottom out is not harsh. I've got an air spacer kit from Fox to give that a shot.

    My plan is to use the Fox for the first season, then speak to the PUSH or Avy folks to see if they can help. If they can help I'd send it in for a routine service and for some tweaking. A lot cheaper than going with a CC.

    As mentioned, its hard dropping 3K on a frame/shock and then throwing the shock in the dust bin for a $450 replacement - there has to be a better way. I did this in the past with another frame but was lucky enough to offset the cost a bit by ebay-ing the stock shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nightjjr View Post
    I use the Pivot Mach 6 with the CCDB CS on Medium Size and a friend on a Small size and it works amazing.
    What is your setting shock ?

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    So I just got the ccdba for my M6 (small frame). Anyone have any ccdba settings that they love? Right now I've just got the factory base tune...

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    Finally got around to putting in a larger air spacer in the Fox air can.

    As I hoped, it added some progressiveness to the shock and helped with bottom out. Not a huge difference, but I like it.

    No need for me to consider the CC.

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    @Kahu8 my bike is returning from Vancouver this week (bike was amazing at Whistler and the North Shore) I will post my settings when it returns.
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    Answer by Pivot:

    "OK, here's how I have mine setup for my weight (with pack, approx 190 lbs)

    Main air for 30% sag: 110psi

    HSC: +1

    LSC: +3

    HSR: +1 1/4

    LSR: +8



    Hope this helps…enjoy the trails!

    Best regards,
    Brien Gonzales"

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    Well the time has come to ditch the X….Even after I put the biggest volume spacer in, it was slightly better = more stable and not so soft feeling….hit our local "mini Moab" and it was doing the same thing…blowing through travel when it shouldn't...!!!!

    Threw it up on the Bay and ordered the CC DB Air CS….its a custom order so it takes 2 weeks or so….can't wait.

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    pedal-man don't be surprised if it takes more than 2 weeks we have had some on order for the past month. With the release of the inline production is way up. I'm at interbike and although I'm not sure they have a booth but if they do I plan on asking them about production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by speedraceratl View Post
    pedal-man don't be surprised if it takes more than 2 weeks we have had some on order for the past month. With the release of the inline production is way up. I'm at interbike and although I'm not sure they have a booth but if they do I plan on asking them about production.
    Hopefully 2 weeks..fingers crossed. Let me know if you hear anything…I have a trip to Durango in 2.5 weeks and was hoping to have it by then….if not, I can borrow a buddies X off of his M6 for the weekend…!!!

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    How much is everyone paying for the DB air CS? I priced on here is Oz and it's $715. Seems a bit steep.

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    Ouch! I went with Inline for 395.00 from LBS, unless you do alot of bike park the CS is overkill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldm8 View Post
    How much is everyone paying for the DB air CS? I priced on here is Oz and it's $715. Seems a bit steep.
    The CCDB Air retails at most places for about $585 or so…..check around.

    The CS doesn't really matter…but better to have than not...

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    Oh so the fitment will work.
    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    Wrong answer...read my previous post with an email directly from Cane Creek...it WILL fit the MACH 6

    Email directly from Cane Creek...

    "Both the DBAir-CS and DBInline will fit the Mach 6 and either would be a good choice (the inline if you want to save some weight). If you go with the DBAir-CS, note that you will need a specific shock with part number (BAD0919). Both shocks will change your life. Please let me know if you need anything else. "
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    Quote Originally Posted by zigzag84 View Post
    Answer by Pivot:

    "OK, here's how I have mine setup for my weight (with pack, approx 190 lbs)

    Main air for 30% sag: 110psi

    HSC: +1

    LSC: +3

    HSR: +1 1/4

    LSR: +8



    Hope this helps…enjoy the trails!

    Best regards,
    Brien Gonzales"
    Thanx

    In my case I use

    HSC: +0.25
    LSC: +4

    HSR: +2
    LSR: 8 clicks from max.

    Hope this helps someone else.

    This setting gives the CCDB CS the closest feel to a coil I could achieve.

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    What "Trail" setting are riders usings when doing longer segments of trail that are not all up or down? I'm talking about the Fox CTD that comes stock on the frame.

    Many (not all) trails where I live do not have sustained climbing or descending. So, I'll put the M6 in Trail mode on the Fox CTD and leave it there.

    Originally I had put the Trail default in the number 1 setting. However, I did find the bike too sluggish feeling with hard pedaling. Seemed to have not much snap, though I do realize this is a 6" travel rig.

    More recently I've moved the Trail 2 setting. It's certainly given the bike the snappy acceleration I was looking for on the flats and smaller climbs, but its also taken a lot of the plushness out of the suspension - even when the trail speeds up.


    Seems like the Trail 1 setting is underdamped and the Trail 2 setting might be over damped.

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    Now that some guys have some miles on the CCDBA and Inline on the Mach 6, I would like to get some more detailed ride impressions? What does it do better than the stock Float X?

    I know some heavier riders have had issues with the Float X bottoming too easily. At 165 pounds, I think I am in the sweet spot as far as what the Float X was designed for. I do use a lot more travel than I would expect, but even when I take a large hit it never seems to bottom out hard. Overall I absolutely love the bike (thanks speedraceratl for a great deal)! Still curious what a CC DBA would do for me.

    Miker J, I have been running 90% of the time at the #2 setting in Trail. Trail 1 feels like a little too much pedal feedback. Trail 3 is too harsh, although it is amazingly efficient for a bike with this much travel. I will put it into Descend for long descents, but that is maybe twice a ride. The bike sags more in Descend, which I like because it slackens it out a bit when going down. I can forget it in either setting, so it certainly descends well in Trail and still climbs pretty well in Descend. Most of our trails around Atlanta are relatively short up and downs, which is why I tend to just leave it alone in Trail. Climb mode is only for blacktop and smooth fire roads. Most rides I don't use it at all.

    Once set up properly, how would the CCDBA compare in terms of pedal platform, small bump compliance, and plushness when descending to the Float X in the Trail 2 setting? Is it a worthwhile upgrade for me since the Float X seems tuned pretty well to my weight?

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    CCDB in action on the Mach6 !!! Amazing shock !!!

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    How many of you actually have use for the CCDBA, great for ride parks, Enduro's, if that is your main cup of tea, but for mostly trail, AM with some knar the Inline is a much better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tadmcmichael View Post
    Now that some guys have some miles on the CCDBA and Inline on the Mach 6, I would like to get some more detailed ride impressions? What does it do better than the stock Float X?

    I know some heavier riders have had issues with the Float X bottoming too easily. At 165 pounds, I think I am in the sweet spot as far as what the Float X was designed for. I do use a lot more travel than I would expect, but even when I take a large hit it never seems to bottom out hard. Overall I absolutely love the bike (thanks speedraceratl for a great deal)! Still curious what a CC DBA would do for me.

    Miker J, I have been running 90% of the time at the #2 setting in Trail. Trail 1 feels like a little too much pedal feedback. Trail 3 is too harsh, although it is amazingly efficient for a bike with this much travel. I will put it into Descend for long descents, but that is maybe twice a ride. The bike sags more in Descend, which I like because it slackens it out a bit when going down. I can forget it in either setting, so it certainly descends well in Trail and still climbs pretty well in Descend. Most of our trails around Atlanta are relatively short up and downs, which is why I tend to just leave it alone in Trail. Climb mode is only for blacktop and smooth fire roads. Most rides I don't use it at all.

    Once set up properly, how would the CCDBA compare in terms of pedal platform, small bump compliance, and plushness when descending to the Float X in the Trail 2 setting? Is it a worthwhile upgrade for me since the Float X seems tuned pretty well to my weight?
    Thanks for the feedback.

    My Fox improved when I put a larger spacer in the air chamber. I thought it was going through too much travel much too easily.

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    The largest volume spacer does help…I am 190 all geared up and the X just didn't feel right..blowing through travel and just a little too saggy if you run the proper pressures…I pick my CCDBAIR cs up tomorrow and can't wait…I was just in Durango this past weekend and really would've liked to have tested it out…the X was not up to the task.

    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    How many of you actually have use for the CCDBA,
    IT'S BETTER AT EVERYTHING vs. X

    I chose it over the inline….
    1)the extra piggyback keeps the bike looking like a beast!!!
    2) I do a bit of everything and AM / Tech / XC and this is what I feel is the better option for me.

    After riding it, the CC soaks up the trail and keeps the tire on the ground vs. the X..it's was hopping and skipping going up and down trails…loss of grip and traction.
    As stated above by other posters…if you tune for pedaling you lose plushness…if you tune for plushness, it's too plush and bobs on the climbing….

    Believe me, I wanted the X to work…in short of having to send my "new shock" off to get retuned is out of the question….Look closely…other bike manufacturers are moving away from Fux and going to CC for their 6"+ travel bikes - Santa Cruz, Spesh..to name a few
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    I agree with zigzag. forget the FX and modding it. get the CCDBCS and you will not regret it.(yes the CS makes a difference)
    Just recently returned from a trip to whistler and the shock performed wonderfully. I received many questions about the 6 and how it was handling. Through A-Line, Dirt Merchant, Freight Train, etc never had an issue until I got a flat on my last run.

    Also rode the North Shore where you have to climb for your descents and the 6 handled everything perfectly. Even saw a new 6 owner out there who was also pleased. albeit he had the FX.
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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?-mpcc.jpg

    Got the CCDBAIR SC in 16 days from order…going to hit the trails for it's first ride…can't wait.

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    Just did the first ride with the CC DBAir CS…All I can say is….

    GO SELL YOUR FLOAT X AND GET A REAL REAR SHOCK….this thing is sick!!!

    Even at the base Neutral tune…this shock is light years ahead of the X in every way…stays firm in the climbs, yet plush on the downs….I did do some tweaking with the adjustments and maybe 1-2 more rides and I'm set….it feels like a whole new bike..even more capable than it was before...

    I can't emphasize it enough…the X is JUNK on the M6….for me anyways - IMHO
    I am 190 geared up...

    Disclaimer…Anybody over 165lbs geared up needs a better shock on this bike
    The X "might work for you" if you weigh less than 165lbs =/- a couple lbs.

    If you can't afford the full on CC DBAir…then by all means..get the inline….you will thank yourself later…..

    just my .10
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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?

    Thanks for the update pedal-man. Let us know your settings when you get them dialed. Are you using the CS on the climbs?

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    For sure…from what I understand the CS is not an on/off switch…you can put it anywhere in between and get a desired pedal dampening effect…I had it right in the middle and it worked great..no need to turn to closed for the climbs…and actually may not need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pedal-man View Post
    ..no need to turn to closed for the climbs…and actually may not need it.
    Me too !! I never use the position "CS on" ... Isn't necessery for me.

    The M6 is an excellent climber whith amzing traction.

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    Okay..I think I have it dialed in now….seriously…this bike couldn't be any better.

    I introduced a little more sag to 21mm….dropped the air down to 150psi..IIRC

    I will report back with my final setting and psi/rider info in about a week after I get some more rides in…but I don't think I will have to mess with it…I've only adjusted the settings and air twice so far.

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    Finally managed to get mine on last weekend and managed some PR's on my first real run out, using the base tune at the moment with around 22mm of sag and 180psi (i'm 92kg with kit), will start to fettle a little more over the next few weeks.
    Major difference so far is tracking, the rear wheel feels very planted over broken ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YetiStew View Post
    Finally managed to get mine on last weekend and managed some PR's on my first real run out, using the base tune at the moment with around 22mm of sag and 180psi (i'm 92kg with kit), will start to fettle a little more over the next few weeks.
    Major difference so far is tracking, the rear wheel feels very planted over broken ground.
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    Good to see this setup on more and more M6's. I get questioned about mine all the time
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    A question for the CC converts....

    The Fox X seems OK on the DH when in Decend mode. Its OK for climbing in the Trail 2 mode.

    However, many of our east coast trails are a lot of quick ups and downs, and flat tech riding. The Descend is too plush and the Trail 2 is too damped. Trail 1 doesn't feel right either - feels to wallowy for hard pedaling, yet too damped over rough terrain.

    I'm sure the CC is great for descending, and great for climbing with the CS. For extended climbs I'm sure I'd flip the CS on. But for trails that are flat and techie, or for trails that have the quick up and down - can you set it and forget it after dialing it in?

    Does the CC Inline permit that "just right" amount of LSC to be added to keep the bike from wallowing, but also allow it to still remain fairly compliant?

    Again, I think the Fox X is ok for long climbs and for long descents. It the flat, rolling, tech stuff that has the rear shock (and rider) confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    A question for the CC converts....

    The Fox X seems OK on the DH when in Decend mode. Its OK for climbing in the Trail 2 mode.

    However, many of our east coast trails are a lot of quick ups and downs, and flat tech riding. The Descend is too plush and the Trail 2 is too damped. Trail 1 doesn't feel right either - feels to wallowy for hard pedaling, yet too damped over rough terrain.

    I'm sure the CC is great for descending, and great for climbing with the CS. For extended climbs I'm sure I'd flip the CS on. But for trails that are flat and techie, or for trails that have the quick up and down - can you set it and forget it after dialing it in?

    Does the CC Inline permit that "just right" amount of LSC to be added to keep the bike from wallowing, but also allow it to still remain fairly compliant?

    Again, I think the Fox X is ok for long climbs and for long descents. It the flat, rolling, tech stuff that has the rear shock (and rider) confused.
    Thats the problem with the X, you can't have your cake and eat it too

    With the CC DBAIR and Inline….you can have both plus seconds….

    To sum it up for you…you have no idea how good the CC DBAir or even the Inline will make the M6 feel….Like stated above….it seems to stick to the ground and feels more composed in the chunk and in the climbs vs getting deflected like the X does. You can tune it to how YOU would like the bike to perform…and it's not that hard to set up either….don't be intimidated…a couple tweaks here and there…thats it.

    I keep the CS switch in the open position all the time now..no need to keep flipping it back and forth…I did keep it half to 3/4 open when I first got the DBAIR…now it's open all the time..

    Talk to Pivot…I heard that they were in the midst of getting the X "re-tuned" to meet their specs for the M6 because the current tune was not up to standards!!! No kidding eh!!!?

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    This rear shock continues to amaze me….Just did a 33 mile epic today with a bunch of everything in it…technical rock gardens, climbing, fast rocky descents, buffed out single track…it did it ALL flawlessly.

    I am satisfied with my current settings and will post my them here for others to assist in getting theirs when they make the switch to the CCDBAir….

    In the next couple of days.

    Stoked….

    Next up..some carbon hoops….

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    Can anyone post on specificlly what is different between the CC and X?

    Correct me if I'm wrong but to me sounds like the CC may be a bit better at separating the LSC and HSC, or maybe CC's LSC targets a different/lower "frequency" than the X.

    The issue with the Fox (for me) is in Open setting there seems to be almost no LSC. Not until I have it in Trail 2 mode does it really feel like the LSC has kicked in. But, at that point the ride becomes quite harsh - even at higher speeds. So its not like I can set and forget it in Trail 2.

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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?

    Miker J, you hit the nail on the head. Compression adjust on the Float X seems to increase both low and high speed compression. Still a very good performing bike, but could be a bit better if those two were separate adjustments. Definitely in the "first world problems" category though. Not sure if the best solution is to get a DB or a SSD/tune from Avalanche.

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    Anyone build up a Mach 6 with a Cane Creek Double Barrel and a Rock Shox Pike?

    Quote Originally Posted by tadmcmichael View Post
    Miker J, you hit the nail on the head. Compression adjust on the Float X seems to increase both low and high speed compression. Still a very good performing bike, but could be a bit better if those two were separate adjustments. Definitely in the "first world problems" category though. Not sure if the best solution is to get a DB or a SSD/tune from Avalanche.
    Im in the same boat. But leaning towards the ccdb. I can still sell the float x for at least a $100 and lessen the cost of ccdb. With an avalanche its specific to you so its a little hard to sell in the end.


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