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    Hope Any 650b news?

    It seems like theres a surge of new short travel 650 bikes from competitors like Santa Cruz, Turner, Ventana...( plus Rocky Mountain plan to release one).

    Anyone know if pivot plan to build one? I'd be keen for sure.
    Why are pivot so much slower to react than the competition?

    Lets hope for something positive!

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    Sorry, I meant short travel (5" or less).
    A bike for the everyday rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mederz View Post
    Sorry, I meant short travel (5" or less).
    A bike for the everyday rider.
    Noone rides those on MTBR...

    Sorry.

    I suspect CC has something cooking in 27.5. Odd that there was no announcement at dealer camp which is when he unveiled the 5.7 Carbon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobo_krkk_NIN View Post
    Noone rides those on MTBR...

    Sorry.

    I suspect CC has something cooking in 27.5. Odd that there was no announcement at dealer camp which is when he unveiled the 5.7 Carbon...
    Dealer Camp is at the end of July.

    Press Camp just happened, and we don't participate in that.

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    A carbon Mach 527.5 would be nice! Just saying!

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    A fly told me at nemba fest in VT this past weekend that a few (carbon)650b are in the works.
    Hadn't seen a carbon Pivot in person yet and was totally blown away.
    The Les was a cool bike as was the Phoenix, although i wish the one at the fest was a demo. Would have liked to rip Knight Slayer & Jester on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dan23 View Post
    Dealer Camp is at the end of July.

    Press Camp just happened, and we don't participate in that.

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    Thanks. I got confused with Park City events. Curious why not attend that event?

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    I had a conversation a year or two ago with another _DW link licensing company about the cost of entry to events like Press Camp, Sea Otter, and Interbike that really shed some light on why some smaller companies stay away. I don't remember the number but the cost of setting up a booth was pretty significant. Maybe Cocalis et al. feel like it'd be better to spend their coin elsewhere like the new sweet demo truck or dealer camp where they'll interact with people who will be ordering the bikes instead of people who expect to borrow and beat up the bikes for free so they can write about it.

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    dw-link [obviously]. 650b wheels. 100-120 travel. Let's make this happen, Pivot. I vote for gloss black paint or nude grey carbon. We'll put nice light XC tires on for 6 hour endurance races and beefy knobtastic tires on for enduro. One bike = Pivot

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbiksux View Post
    dw-link [obviously]. 650b wheels. 100-120 travel. Let's make this happen, Pivot. I vote for gloss black paint or nude grey carbon. We'll put nice light XC tires on for 6 hour endurance races and beefy knobtastic tires on for enduro. One bike = Pivot
    I'd add improved cable routing and a slightly more compliant suspension (120-130mm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    I'd add improved cable routing and a slightly more compliant suspension (120-130mm).
    The Aluminum version of this bike was announced at Press Camp. Not a Pivot though.
    Your avatar would indicate that you would know about it.

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    Let's hope for some news at Dealer Camp. I'm sure Pivot is working on more 650b models. They'll take their time until they're happy with the design(s). OK by me. My '09 Mach 4 is still a fantastic bike. Can't imagine replacing it with anything 'cept a Pivot 650b short travel bike.

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    All positive...but it would be nice to get a teaser from Pivot themselves. Might stop me buying from the competition.
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    Also, I couldn't care less if its carbon - alloy's fine by me. Just keep the chainstays at a real length (the both Turner 650s are just too long).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mederz View Post
    Also, I couldn't care less if its carbon - alloy's fine by me.
    I'm with you. Pivot's aluminum fab work is, um, fab. I appreciate alloy as a lower-cost option. I don't mind the "extra" weight. I've demo'ed their carbon frames, and I have no doubt that they're strong enough, but I don't like the *sound* that carbon makes when things are flapping around. Sounds like plastic. I know it's silly, but I prefer the pinging sound that metal makes when I'm putting a bike through its paces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mederz View Post
    Just keep the chainstays at a real length (the both Turner 650s are just too long).
    Just looked at the new Flux geo numbers. I have to agree with you - chainstays are too long (17.4"). The head angle is perfect though (68 deg).

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    I'd add improved cable routing and a slightly more compliant suspension (120-130mm).
    I'm with you

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    Yall are all right on the money! Hoping Pivot is thinking the 5.7c can handle everything well for a while and is focusing production on a shorter travel "solo destroyer/flux incapacitator" 650b for those of us who don't live on a mountain yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golden boy View Post
    Just looked at the new Flux geo numbers. I have to agree with you - chainstays are too long (17.4"). The head angle is perfect though (68 deg).
    So what would be the perfect chainstay length for your dream 650B?

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    I would love to see Pivot make a 650b, I wonder if this could be it, digging the color.
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    looks like a pic they teased a few dealer with HMMMMMM

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    I like the internal cable routing and the color looks fun. It looks like they are sticking with bold graphic but that's grown on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker4life View Post
    So what would be the perfect chainstay length for your dream 650B?
    Something under 17". I built a hardtail at UBI with 420mm (16.5") stays. Of course, it turned out that a front der wouldn't fit, which I would have liked. I like lots of gears. I call it my play bike - it is so maneuverable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosh1dh View Post
    I would love to see Pivot make a 650b, I wonder if this could be it, digging the color.
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    I have been eyeing the Santa Cruz Solo 650B 125mm trail bike as a compliment to my 2011 Mach 429 100mm. I would love to stay in the Pivot family but a bike with 150mm+ suspension and a slack HA is over the top for TX and just feels weird when navigating flat terrain and tight corners (I tested the Mach 5.7 at a demo ride in Houston).

    The Santa Cruz Solo 650B has the dimensions and HA that I hope Pivot uses with their new bike. They need to keep the HA at 68 degrees or a tad steeper, the chain-stay would probably work right at 17", keep the BBH at 13" so your weight stays low, and maybe stretch the TTL 1/4" so you can run a slightly shorter stem than a Mach 429 (70-80mm). I am no bike designer but just by doing some AutoCAD and playing with different dimensions that is what I would like to see. It is basically a middle size bike that fits right between the Mach 429 and the Mach 5.7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mosh1dh View Post
    I would love to see Pivot make a 650b, I wonder if this could be it, digging the color.
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    Notice no water bottle mounts so probably a carbon Firebird. Someone mentioned this in another thread.

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    Any 650b news?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blk02 View Post
    I have been eyeing the Santa Cruz Solo 650B 125mm trail bike as a compliment to my 2011 Mach 429 100mm. I would love to stay in the Pivot family but a bike with 150mm+ suspension and a slack HA is over the top for TX and just feels weird when navigating flat terrain and tight corners (I tested the Mach 5.7 at a demo ride in Houston).

    The Santa Cruz Solo 650B has the dimensions and HA that I hope Pivot uses with their new bike. They need to keep the HA at 68 degrees or a tad steeper, the chain-stay would probably work right at 17", keep the BBH at 13" so your weight stays low, and maybe stretch the TTL 1/4" so you can run a slightly shorter stem than a Mach 429 (70-80mm). I am no bike designer but just by doing some AutoCAD and playing with different dimensions that is what I would like to see. It is basically a middle size bike that fits right between the Mach 429 and the Mach 5.7.
    A little higher bottom bracket as some have mentioned about the Solo.

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    Re: Any 650b news?

    Everybody always wants to talk about a lower BB but don't people remember that both DW and VPP are designed to be sagged 25%-35%? That alone is dropping your BB 1" +/-. If the static BB is 13" you'll be at 12" when you get on the bike and start riding. Here in AZ, where Pivot is born and bred, you'll be banging pedals on rocks all over the place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rehammer81 View Post
    Everybody always wants to talk about a lower BB but don't people remember that both DW and VPP are designed to be sagged 25%-35%? That alone is dropping your BB 1" +/-. If the static BB is 13" you'll be at 12" when you get on the bike and start riding. Here in AZ, where Pivot is born and bred, you'll be banging pedals on rocks all over the place.
    I agree

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    Quote Originally Posted by edbraunbeck View Post
    I like the internal cable routing and the color looks fun. It looks like they are sticking with bold graphic but that's grown on me.
    ... Looks like the current FB cable routing...
    i need to develop my crashing skills...

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    I'm happy to be a paying guinea pig. If pivot wants to build me an XL Mach 4 650 b ill pay for it.
    I'll do the same for a 5" bike as well.

    Come on pivot throw us a bone!

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    jUST RIDE 26". They are the best out of all the wheel sizes. Don't spend money on thing you don't need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gunt pimp View Post
    jUST RIDE 26". They are the best out of all the wheel sizes. Don't spend money on thing you don't need.
    You know nothing about me or what I ride
    26" is definitely NOT the best size for me. Always felt too small. I'm 6'3" (ex pro rugby).
    29ers feel cumbersome in the steep, tight singletrack that I ride. They're also flexy and heavy - unless you shoot the money gun at them.
    I've been riding 650b for three years now and they do offer the best ride for ME.
    What don't you like about 650b?

    I had a mach 429 and liked the bike except that it was just too long. I'd really like a 650b Pivot. Be nice if Pivot would confirm or deny if they have one (other than the Firebird) in the works.
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    I know. I'm just talking out my A**. I will be going 27.5 on my next build. Or maybe try to throw a set of 27.5 wheels on my 5.7c

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    I know there are a lot of people desperately waiting to hear what this bike might be. Maybe not the best place to a) talk out of your a$$ and b) state clearly that you were in fact talking out of your a$$.

    I'm guessing we'll hearing something in on July 25th when they roll things out at dealer camp in Park City, UT.

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    27.5 120mm travel DW Link Pivot quality trail machine would certainly sell. Doesn't matter to me if its carbon on alloy. They could lose the front derailleur entirely and keep the chainstays under 17". The new Specialized Enduro 29er has 16.9" stays so it is possible. Throw on the not yet existent shimano 1x11 setup and you've got the ultimate trail machine. I'm in!

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