429C or Czar ?
After extensive test rides have finally narrowed it down to a DW link race bike.
but can't decide between 429 and the Czar.
Over 40 XC racer, coming from a vertex hard tail which i will keep.
Have been offered a similar race deal on both frames from my local.
don't really mind which bike i end up racing.
Just can't split the final decision so it's up to you guys now.
Just need 3 good reasons
Czar!!! I have ridden both. 1)The Czar is more of an XC race bike 2)The Czar makes a very nice trail bike 3)Turner's probably hands down best customer service in the business!
Mach 429 Carbon
1. Mach 429 Carbon's are in stock...
2. Option for 100mm fork for XC racing...
3. Option for 120mm fork for Trail riding...
4. Mach 429 Carbon frames are in stock
5. 7 build options
6. Turner guys are nice, but we hand out free high fives all day!
7. Folks are racing this on the enduro circut...
Sorry I got carried away with my reasons...
"The face of a child can say it all, especially the mouth part of the face".
I've now ridden both. Here is a prior cpmoparison i did before the Czar became available -
XC CF 29'er Reviews - Part 2
The main difference between the two is the capacity to integrate a 120mm fork.
1. If you don't want or need 120mm, the Czar is a good chioce. With 120mm, the Czar produces significant wheel flop and the cornering balance is degraded.
2. If you do, get the 429C. In my experience, it is the best frame available at integrating a 120mm fork into an XC Race capable frame.
3. Czar builds tend to be lighter, though the 2014 Pivot builds now at least feature lighter wheels on the high-end specs. If you are highly weight conscious, the Czar may be a lighter and more economical solution.
Lastly, if you are not Trek-adverse, consider demoing a 2014 Superfly 100 before commiting to a Czar. Their handling is close to identical.
Santa Cruz TBc
First and foremost. Green is faster so that alone should push you to the Pivot.
You will be happy with either. I have not ridden the Czar, but looking at those numbers I really suspect that at 120mm fork you are going to enter the floppy steering realm. The pivot at 120 handles great (where I have mine most of the time) but could steer quickly at 100. I've long felt 110 would be perfect on the pivot, but the fox forx are now much more of a pain in the ass than they used to be to drop 10mm. It's no longer just a spacer. That said, I've been at 120 most of the year and would have no issue racing it.
Honestly given that you are keeping the harddtail, I'd go pivot 429c all day.
You will be happy either way. The pivot gives you a bit more versitility in my opinion.
"The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care."
It can also depend on where you live. In Texas it's very rocky, and I like the extra cushion of the 120 fork even when racing, and it makes a good trail bike when I go ride the ledges at City Park or RPR. The stiffness of the Pivot is very nice for plowing through rock gardens. I also liked the slack angles. It will be a bit heavier than the Czar - mine is right around 25 lbs w/ XTR, carbon bars/post, Crest wheels, and heavy cheap pedals.
It's an extra half-pound and not offered on a stock Pivot build, but my 429c (large) with the 2014 Talas (90/120) is great. Drops you down nicely on the steep, and super-steep, uphills, yet lets it all loose on the downhills. Just remember to flick the switch!
Thank you very much to everyone that posted.
Both beautiful bikes.
Ordered the Czar due to it being a bit longer in the top tube, slightly lighter and more XC, never going to run a 120 fork . i would of been happy on either so needed to find a reason so i could make a choice.
pretty excited and can't wait to get "on it"
Thank you again for the information and taking the time to answer my question.
#1 and #4 are worth several month's of riding to many depending on frame size (believe the XL Czar is nearly vaporware), and in the past I would've weighed very heavily in 1 and 4's favor.
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