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    429c carbon thread

    Let's see more of 'em! Pics, reports, you name it! Who has one?
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    Build weights with specifics would be interesting to see too especially the Shimano XT kit.

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    can it fit 3x10 drive train?

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    3x10 works fine
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    We just got a size run in at GO-RIDE.com. They look awesome. We ordered the black with blue accents to match the blue ano parts and the blue accents on the Fox suspension. I'll be building one for myself, but I'm still gathering a few parts. Here's a couple of phone pics.
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    Scott - would love an actual frame weight for a Large. Thanks

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott@GO-RIDE.com View Post
    We just got a size run in at GO-RIDE.com. They look awesome. We ordered the black with blue accents to match the blue ano parts and the blue accents on the Fox suspension. I'll be building one for myself, but I'm still gathering a few parts. Here's a couple of phone pics.
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    The large and medium are already built. The frames come with the headset cups and the bottom bracket installed. We didn't want to press them out to get a weight. I'm building a small for myself. I'll try to get a weight on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott@GO-RIDE.com View Post
    The large and medium are already built. The frames come with the headset cups and the bottom bracket installed. We didn't want to press them out to get a weight. I'm building a small for myself. I'll try to get a weight on that.
    Hi Scott, How tall are you?
    Thanks.

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    I'm 5'8". Last season for Enduro I raced a Yeti SB66 in Medium (24.1") ETT. I mostly used a 50mm stem. The 50mm was a bit short for true XC riding, but perfect for Enduro. Overall I prefer a 23.5" ETT bike with a 70mm stem for most riding and then a 50mm for more aggressive Enduro events. There are three reasons I'm going with a small on the 429c. 1. It has a 23.0" ETT on the small which I can run a 70mm and be good for XC or Enduro and a 50mm for aggressive races. 2. The seat tube on the Medium is too long for me to run some 5" dropper posts. 3. I like smaller wheelbase 29ers. I find the longer wheelbase of Medium 29ers to be less fun on jumps and tech trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott@GO-RIDE.com View Post
    I'm 5'8". Last season for Enduro I raced a Yeti SB66 in Medium (24.1") ETT. I mostly used a 50mm stem. The 50mm was a bit short for true XC riding, but perfect for Enduro. Overall I prefer a 23.5" ETT bike with a 70mm stem for most riding and then a 50mm for more aggressive Enduro events. There are three reasons I'm going with a small on the 429c. 1. It has a 23.0" ETT on the small which I can run a 70mm and be good for XC or Enduro and a 50mm for aggressive races. 2. The seat tube on the Medium is too long for me to run some 5" dropper posts. 3. I like smaller wheelbase 29ers. I find the longer wheelbase of Medium 29ers to be less fun on jumps and tech trails.

    Excellent , very good info .
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    I was so focused on the bike, it took me a minute that there was a person behind it.

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    Serious Dude Night...

    Loving Wife out of town...
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    New Pivot 429c Semi Custom Build In the House...literally

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    At this point I am seriously enamored with this bike...unbelievably capable and balanced, ruthlessly efficient and *very* fun transition and air capable. Rode Palm Canyon and the bike performed flawlessly. Setting PRs left and right...

    I have put ~100 Miles on it and changed out the 2x10 for a triple with a 22... more on that another time, but its the right choice for my riding habits.

    Trail Build...5.10" Medium , 70mm Stem (may go 90x10) XTR / XT mix, triple, 240s w Stans Arch ~27lbs.
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    fwiw- build weights can be approximated on compxxx-cyclist dot com.
    curious to know what you pivot heads think about a 429c conversion to 650b. yeah, I know about the bbh/pedal strike potential. maybe I should ask the 650b forum folks, but you guys are closer to my fingers. so there. TIA

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    Quote Originally Posted by c_rex View Post
    fwiw- build weights can be approximated on compxxx-cyclist dot com.
    curious to know what you pivot heads think about a 429c conversion to 650b. yeah, I know about the bbh/pedal strike potential. maybe I should ask the 650b forum folks, but you guys are closer to my fingers. so there. TIA
    I'm used to riding low bikes (many years racing DH) and use 170mm cranks. I've been having a few pedal strikes on my 429C in technical climbing areas with 2.35 tires. With the much small 27.5 you would be hitting your feet a lot unless you ran zero sag.
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    You strike on your 29" with 170's?

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    I like to see some more pictures of size L.

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    My medium red/black arrived back on Dec 12, 2012. In Australia we got the XT/XTR build instead of straight XT. Also the DT Swiss set up was switched out for Stans 330's and Arch Ex rims due to the supplier marketing those products.

    Have switched out the std stem and bar for a -16 degree 90mm specialized stem I had lying around, and a 650mm alloy flat bar to get me into a better riding position, not a fan of wide bars...yet. Tires changed to ones more suitable for our trails, NobNic front and RaRa rear, also went tubeless.

    Have also flipped the shock around and added some washers to the inner triangles cage to allow for a normal sized drink bottle to fit without rubbing on the frame. Also a normal sized bottle doesn't fit underneath the frame without interferring with the compression of the front forks.

    Weight is 12.41kg.

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    Large XTR Lefty carbon

    Just picked it up from LBS after swapping out my old frame.
    23.8 lbs as shown for a large. No flexy weight weenie parts.
    Loved my 2011 alu 429 but couldn't resist the 1lb weight savings, additional rigidity and slightly quicker handling of the 429c. 2011 large 429 (alu) frame is for sale BTW

    First ride tomorrow morning. Woot.

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    [QUOTE=Emilio700;10223744]Just picked it up from LBS after swapping out my old frame.
    23.8 lbs as shown for a large. No flexy weight weenie parts.
    Loved my 2011 alu 429 but couldn't resist the 1lb weight savings, additional rigidity and slightly quicker handling of the 429c. 2011 large 429 (alu) frame is for sale BTW

    First ride tomorrow morning. Woot.

    Beauty! Looking forward to the ride report. A couple of questions: which lefty are you using, and what is the final a2c once if you made any mods? Also, what is that mount on the top tube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by insighter View Post

    Beauty! Looking forward to the ride report. A couple of questions: which lefty are you using, and what is the final a2c once if you made any mods? Also, what is that mount on the top tube?

    Cheers!
    Thanks. 120mm 2011 Lefty carbon with 100mm internal travel limiter from Project 321. Hammer gel flask holder on top tube. Riding in two hours

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    First ride 2013 Large Pivot 429C impressions

    26.4mi, 3577 gain'. Jeep trail and singletrack, damp hard pack, lots of embedded rocks. Ran 12mm of sag, otherwise exact same setup as 2011 429 alu that we just switched from.

    I've done lots of bicycle and automotive R&D so try to go in not thinking about the bike. Just ride and let things surprise me. Overall, the bike is incrementally improved in several areas. No huge differences.

    Handling
    It was hard to notice the shorter chainstays. I could feel it was a little easier to manual over rocks when descending. More noticeable when pumping tight radius bermed turns. Part of this better tight radius handling was the lower BB. Stability was stellar with the alu frame so the carbon didn't have much to gain. Felt like it tracked a little better during forceful direction changes at speed. Definitely stiffer torsionally but not night and day. Most of the torsional stiffness gains seem to be in the back, despite the tapered HT and general beefiness up front. Maybe I imagined that

    Shock performance
    Probably the biggest difference between the 2011 alu 429 was the new CTD shock. Climb - Trail - Descend. Riding it, you can tell the low speed compression damping increases as you click towards climb but it's the high speed compression damping difference that stood out. The 2011 bike would kick a bit when smacking 2-3" embedded rocks at high speed. The CTD on "D" soaks them up almost completely. Big gains there. What was a surprise to me was how well it climbed in D. The softer low speed compression allowed it to react quickly to little embedded rocks while climbing seated at low speeds (4-8mph). The only time I really wanted the Trail or Climb damping preset was on the paved ride to the trail head or if I had a long out of the saddle climb on smooth fire road. IOW, I ran D setting for pretty much the whole ride. What was also nice about the D setting was it's better absorption of those 2-4" ledges when you have to deliver a brief 500w burst and trials/crawl over stuff. If you have ever climbed on a triple chainring 6" bike you know what I'm talking about. Get a little momentum and the stuff that stops most short travel XC bikes doesn't phase the 429C with the shock on D, almost like 6" bike.

    Shifting
    I didn't touch the drivetrain after the shop gave it to me. The old frame had the special Pivot e-type FD mount. The 429C uses a direct mount FD. It wouldn't shift to the big ring under full power, half power or less was fine. Nit picking I know but the old frame would do it at 400w+. I'm gonna guess it just needs some adjustment and won't proclaim that as endemic. I also got a few derailleur slaps in the smaller half of the cassette, which I didn't get with the old bike. XTR shadow long cage. Once again, I'm going to guess it just needs a little adjustment love.

    Fit
    Within seconds of rolling out I noticed the lower BB. Well, I should say that the bars felt high. I wondered what the shop did then the lightbulb went off. They matched my old BB to seat measurement (very good shop) but the new BB is a few mm lower. Suprised it was so noticeable but I definitely like it. Others here mentioned catching pedals but I never did. To quantify that, I run 180's Egg Beaters and pretty much pedal through everything.

    Climbing
    Again, the old bike was awesome so not a ton of room for improvement. I did notice the rear tracked better when seated powering over rough stuff in a low gears. I put that down to the new rear end and 142mm through axle. I didn't expect that so it was a pleasant surprise. The next I'll say is that it just seemed to be a few watts more efficient in every climbing scenario. More than the some of it's parts in this case. Definitely goes up hill and pedals just a wee bit better and I'm not I fully understand why. Don't care either, just reporting the impression.

    Would I do it again? You bet. Besides, more carbon is always better.

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    Update: Few minutes trailside adjusting dialed in the FD. Perfect full power up and downshifts. Now to see if I can do something about the derailleur slap.

    Also, I have a suspicion that these early production 429C's are not significantly lighter than the 2012's. There was mention in early press previews that the preproduction samples were purposely built heavy. I only lost .4 lb, same build except the direct mount FD and DT 240 142TA swapped from a Project 321 QR135 and my old frane was the heavier 2011 model 429.

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    429c carbon thread

    I've had under built CF frames before. Sucks.

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    429c

    Bike setup: Pivot 429C
    Frame Size & Color: XL Carbon/Blue
    Rear Shock: Fox CTD
    Fork: Fox 34 CTD 130mm
    Brakes: Formula The One
    Shifter: Sram XO
    Cranks: Shimano XT 175mm
    Chainrings: 22,32, Race Face bash
    Rear Derailleur: Sram XO
    Pedals: Shimano XT
    Stem: Thomson 90mm, 10 degree rise
    Handlebar: Sunline 745mm, 38mm rise
    Seatpost: Thomson
    Saddle: Specialized Phenom
    Bottom Bracket: Shimano
    Cassette: Sram 1070 11-32
    Headset: Chris King Inset
    Grips: ODI Ruffian MX
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35
    Front Rim: Stans Flow
    Front Hub: Chris King
    Rear Tire: Racing Ralph 2.25
    Rear Rim: Stans Flow
    Rear Hub: Chris King

    Rider: Twenty-years on mtb (6 on 29ers), former BMXer, based in Northern Virginia
    Weight: 220lbs
    Height: 6’4”
    Inseam: 36in
    Sleeve: 37in

    After last summer, I decided to put my six-year old Ventana El Rey out to pasture and update my ride based largely on geometry data due to a general lack of XL bikes to test ride. Having ridden a few bikes with shorter chain stays, I knew that I wanted stays shorter than the 18.3 ones on the El Rey, and I also was keen on finding a bike with a lower bottom bracket. After months of research, I pre-ordered the 429c from Competitive Cyclist in November and just took delivery of the frame the first week of April.

    Out of the box, I was incredibly impressed with how light the frame felt; easily a couple of pounds lighter than my El Rey. What didn’t impress me was the lack of internal cable routing, which I didn’t know was only featured on the smaller frames. Still, cable routing alone wouldn’t have swayed my decision and as I tell my four-year old, “You get what you get and don’t get upset about it.”

    The build was pretty straight forward as I was mostly porting over components from my older frame, and in hindsight, not having to fuss with internal routing, probably made the process a tiny bit easier. One thing that did stand out was the front derailleur; it was stupid simple to install. Who’s to say whether or not front derailleurs will be around in a few years, but while they are, direct mount is definitely the way to go.

    To date, I’ve only gotten in three solid rides on the 429, but I’m really loving it. There was initially some concern about choosing a 34 as opposed to a 32, fearing that it would rake the bike out too much, but that isn’t the case at all. Set at 130mm, the 34 brings the bottom bracket up to only 13.5in and slackens the head tube to about 69 degrees. This setup is spot on for the Mid Atlantic, where roots and rocks cause pedal strikes with lower bottom bracket heights, and, to boot, it feels very comfortable.

    There’s not a world of difference in terms of stiffness compared to my El Rey, but that frame is a tank in comparison, and I feel that the DW link suspension does provide much better pedaling efficiency. Looking down at the shock as I climb root and rock strewn trails, the back end gently absorbs and erases much of the harshness. And, when pedaling on the flats, there’s no discernible movement, even in the “trail” setting, which is where I’ve set both the shock and fork.

    Once I get more time on the bike, I’ll post a longer report, but thanks to everyone here for advice and build tips, and also to Pivot, who offered fantastic customer service throughout my wait. The 429c, so far, has been time and money very well spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredbadams View Post
    ...and as I tell my four-year old, “You get what you get and don’t get upset about it.”
    I tell my two... "You take what you get and you don't throw a fit, or you'll go to your room and that's where you'll sit!" They love to quote that back to me when I tell them they didn't clean their rooms well enough.

    gorgeous bike. looking forward to more ride reports on your build.

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    Great looking bike. The only "flaw" is the stanchion on the right side of the fork!

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    Anyone riding a shorter stem on their 429c? I was running a 70 mm Thomson, but I wanted it to flick a bit more in and out of turns. Just threw a 50mm Thomson on and was curious to see if anyone else had done this. Oh yeah, I ride a enve 9d sweep flat bar.

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    This is my new build. Don't have it dialed in just yet (Need to cut the steer tube after I get some trail time in), been to busy at the shop. So far, looks good. Not a feather weight, but respectable at 24.5 lbs for a Large.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shmack View Post
    Anyone riding a shorter stem on their 429c? I was running a 70 mm Thomson, but I wanted it to flick a bit more in and out of turns. Just threw a 50mm Thomson on and was curious to see if anyone else had done this. Oh yeah, I ride a enve 9d sweep flat bar.
    Funny for me the 70 *is* the short stem, I find it very responsive on my medium, I am 5'10". Let us know how the 50 works.

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    I finally got a few rides in on the 429C. I am very pleased. My initial thoughts is it descends and corners better than any 29er I have been on. I am shocked how well it carves. I haven't got to test it on a hilly techy trail yet but I will on Thursday. Someone mentioned that it is very neutral. I would agree. It feels like a MTB should, be never does. I notice I clear sections much faster than before. Its almost like cheating. More to come...

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    see any issues with 6.4/235lb behemoth on an XL carbon with 34 talas fork ran at 110mm.
    will a Chris King Insert 2 tapered headset be fine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
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    That is the best looking small framed 29er I have seen. I have been thinking about waiting until a company like Pivot or Ibis come out with a 4" travel 650b bike because I have always thought the 29" wheels look odd on small frames and that I somewhat fight them on my Ventana El Padrino HT 29er and seem to ride better on my Ventana El Bastardo 650b FS. So I was set on thinking that 29" wheels were for big guys. After looking at your pic of the small framed 429C I might just have to give this bike a shot.

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    Why would I choose a 429C over say a Ripley? What would be the compelling characteristics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplemind View Post
    Why would I choose a 429C over say a Ripley? What would be the compelling characteristics?
    Google "pivot 429 vs. Ripley". I read a geat comparison of the two the other day. Counter intuitively, they chose the Ripley for more of an XC bike and the Pivot 429c for a better trail bike. Good read...

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    I chose the 429c because the ripely was way too small. The Ibis xl is equivalent to the pivot L.

    Anyone else have their compression dampening on their Ctd factory shock blow up shortly after getting their bike? My shock only lasted 8 hours.

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    I've been running the shorter 50mm stem for a few weeks now and here are my thoughts.

    My other bike is a Niner MCR with a 50mm stem with a 100mm fork. This bike is insane in the twisty-turner stuff. When I first got it, with a 120mm, it was great in big sweapers, but pushed a bit in tight turns. When I had the fork pushed I dropped it to 100mm and added the 50mm, now it is one of the most nimble and quick bikes I have ever riden. I know this is not the pivot, but I am providing some more background for comparison.

    So now when I first got my 429c, I felt it pushed a bit and was slow on the turns. Not enough to be bad, but enough to make me notice. With the 50mm stem, I find this to be less the case. I certainly need to be much more careful on the line I take through a turn, but it doesn't really seem to push much. I think it is a better setup for me than the 70mm.

    The one negative I will mention though. The front end tends to get a bit light on really steap climbs. With the 70mm stem I thought the climbing on this bike was beyond the best I had ever seen. With the 50mm, it can get light but it is still really good.

    Final thought, the improvement for me of the 50mm stem on flats and tight turns far outweighs the occasional lightness I get on climbs.

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    429c carbon thread

    hi, my frame is small and my water bottle is hitting the switch of the shock. i want to reverse it but got no idea how to remove bushings (shock removed from frame already)...

    any tool/s i need? thanks!
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    You can sometimes pull the bushings apart by hand but not very often. The bushings on that shock consist of a sleeve that fits through the tan colored inserts in the shock body. The sleeve then has 2 spacers with tiny dust-seal o-rings, 1 per side. I have a tool for doing the removal but you can use pretty much anything that is smaller in diameter than the spacers. It's fairly easy to tap the sleeve out enough to remove one spacer and from there I've been able to pull it out by hand. You don't have to remove the tan pieces so that makes it a LOT easier. You'll want to use something like a deep socket and be careful not to mar the sleeve or deform the end (kinda hard but not impossible).
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    600 miles in starting to getting some creaking...not seat / seatpost. Down below.. I will begin the hunt but also would appreciate any insight if anyone has any. BTW...still absolutely enamored with this bike.

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    I started to have an odd noise as well at about the same mileage. I tracked mine down to a rear hub issue. It is tricky in that it seems the carbon frames resonate any noise and that made for more investigation than usual. Took me a while to pinpoint the culprit. Made for a few rides of me scratching my head and watching and listening to
    the bike instead of the trail. Good luck.
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    34/130- warranty?

    [QUOTE=jaredbadams;10306527]Bike setup: Pivot 429C
    Frame Size & Color: XL Carbon/Blue
    To date, I’ve only gotten in three solid rides on the 429, but I’m really loving it. There was initially some concern about choosing a 34 as opposed to a 32, fearing that it would rake the bike out too much, but that isn’t the case at all. Set at 130mm, the 34 brings the bottom bracket up to only 13.5in and slackens the head tube to about 69 degrees. This setup is spot on for the Mid Atlantic, where roots and rocks cause pedal strikes with lower bottom bracket heights, and, to boot, it feels very comfortable.

    Do you know if using the longer travel fork voids the warranty. I know Pivot wasn't specing these on the builds. My only gripe with my 429c is on steep fast rocky terrain the front end feels a bit short with the 120 float.
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    429 carbon thread

    According to Pivot customer service, the 34 at 130 won't void the frame warranty. I'm on the larger side, appreciate the added stiffness of the 34, and would recommend it if weight isn't your top priority. Here's an updated picture 429c carbon thread-image.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnd663 View Post
    see any issues with 6.4/235lb behemoth on an XL carbon with 34 talas fork ran at 110mm.
    will a Chris King Insert 2 tapered headset be fine?
    I'm around 240 with a 35in inseam. I don't think Pivot rushes their bikes to market and self promotes a product that is developed for 85% of the riders out there. If you ride 4-5 times a week and like the chunky trails, I say go for it. FWIW, I now prefer Cane Creek headsets.

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    hi again, has any of you experienced "click" or "tick" sound coming from the linkage of the suspension when pedaling hard off the saddle?

    btw, im using small frame & weighs ~225lbs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    hi again, has any of you experienced "click" or "tick" sound coming from the linkage of the suspension when pedaling hard off the saddle?

    btw, im using small frame & weighs ~225lbs...
    Check the rear axle. Loosen and re-tighten.

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    creaks and ticks

    Yes,

    Like a few here I am hearing the same creaks and ticks. Started about the 500 mile mark.

    Pulled a few things apart and cleaned and lubed. Helped a bit, but came back.

    What I have found is that when I wash the bike and have it clean, it's dead quiet for a few rides until it gets dirty again. So, at this point I'm assuming it's dirt, or dust, something that gets in there and creaks.

    Also thought it could be the cable ferruels on the rear chainstay for the rear der. Light coat of grease on them.

    Ultimately, it's something dirty or not lubed. I don't think it's structural, but also will admit it can be annoying. I would love to figure out the root cause as thus far I've thought it was the rear wheel dropouts, possibly the linkage, or even my seatpost.

    I of course didn't just try one thing at a time to narrow it down.

    I cleaned it before a 4 day trip to Colorado. Dead silent day one and two. Day two was a 5 hour epic with lots of crapola. Next day it creaked like a MOFO (I cursed the creaking a few times, but absolved it for the great ride).

    Got it home, washed it off this AM - Dead silent again.

    It's my only issue thus far as I love how the bike rides. But, with 4 kids I don't have time like I used to to try and really narrow it down to the root cause - so if someone figures it out - let us know!
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    Green,
    Thanks for the update...I did do some wiping down and it helped, I am going to give mine a good cloth and brush cleaning and see what it does. Let's keep looking..

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    guys, i went to my lbs. my distributor said that pivot knows and acknowledged this issue.
    the bearing can easily broke on the lower linkage of the suspension rear triangle side. my lbs got out of stock of the bearing coz other riders also went for replacement.
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    Engr,

    When you say "This Issue" exactly which issue are you talking about the "tick tick" you described or the general creaking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    guys, i went to my lbs. my distributor said that pivot knows and acknowledged this issue.
    the bearing can easily broke on the lower linkage of the suspension rear triangle side. my lbs got out of stock of the bearing coz other riders also went for replacement.

    Please clarify. Which bearing, and is it causing the creak?

    For a bearing to "Break" something catastropic would need to happen.

    Clairfication, and ultimately, pictures would be fantastic.

    Went on a 2 hour ride yesterday after a cleaning. Started out dead silent, but a bit creaky by the end. Not as bad as it will be after a few more rides, but it will come back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bvader View Post
    Engr,

    When you say "This Issue" exactly which issue are you talking about the "tick tick" you described or the general creaking?
    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    Please clarify. Which bearing, and is it causing the creak?

    For a bearing to "Break" something catastropic would need to happen.

    Clairfication, and ultimately, pictures would be fantastic.

    Went on a 2 hour ride yesterday after a cleaning. Started out dead silent, but a bit creaky by the end. Not as bad as it will be after a few more rides, but it will come back.
    guys, it's about this post i posted the other day.
    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    hi again, has any of you experienced "click" or "tick" sound coming from the linkage of the suspension when pedaling hard off the saddle?

    btw, im using small frame & weighs ~225lbs...
    and the orange part is the issue...
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    Thanks E.

    I did a pretty extensive dry clean (rags, brushes etc) and was quieter but not silent.

    I was / am also having trouble with the rebound in rear shock...the dial was backing off on its own..and I was getting bounced around...turns it it is worse..the rebound is completely blown...guess that explains it. Getting serviced expect to be warrantied.

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    I have the same noise in the same condition (pushing hard out of the saddle). Since the bike is basically new i don't think it's a wear or contamination issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by icsloppl View Post
    I have the same noise in the same condition (pushing hard out of the saddle). Since the bike is basically new i don't think it's a wear or contamination issue.
    Again, just make sure the rear axle is really tight.

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    mmm wonder what pivot has cooking to address it.

    I've been debating pulling that apart, but man I hate the time it will take.

    3rd ride tonight after a good cleaning. Creaky as all heck again.

    I love how this bike rides which is why I'm putting up with it. Did your shop say what pivot suggested, or if they are working on anything (bought mine from competitive cyclist). I do not want to return it as I love it, but creaking drives me absolutely insane.

    EDIT - talked to pivot. It's not a major issue, but they have had a few with some bearing issues (not just 429c's but some others.)

    So, when I get some spare time it looks like I'm pulling that main pivot apart. I'm actually hoping the bearings are bad!


    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    guys, it's about this post i posted the other day.


    and the orange part is the issue...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    I've been debating pulling that apart, but man I hate the time it will take.

    3rd ride tonight after a good cleaning. Creaky as all heck again.

    I love how this bike rides which is why I'm putting up with it. Did your shop say what pivot suggested, or if they are working on anything (bought mine from competitive cyclist). I do not want to return it as I love it, but creaking drives me absolutely insane.

    EDIT - talked to pivot. It's not a major issue, but they have had a few with some bearing issues (not just 429c's but some others.)

    So, when I get some spare time it looks like I'm pulling that main pivot apart. I'm actually hoping the bearings are bad!
    my friend's firebird also had the same issue, our lbs just replaced it...

    according to my lbs, pivot will be sending new type of bearings to replace these fast wearing ones.

    will update once they changed it over the weekend...
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    Anyone weigh a 100mm setup with all XX or XTR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaredbadams View Post
    Bike setup: Pivot 429C
    Frame Size & Color: XL Carbon/Blue
    Rear Shock: Fox CTD
    Fork: Fox 34 CTD 130mm
    Brakes: Formula The One
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    Stem: Thomson 90mm, 10 degree rise
    Handlebar: Sunline 745mm, 38mm rise
    Seatpost: Thomson
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    Bottom Bracket: Shimano
    Cassette: Sram 1070 11-32
    Headset: Chris King Inset
    Grips: ODI Ruffian MX
    Front Tire: Schwalbe Nobby Nic 2.35
    Front Rim: Stans Flow
    Front Hub: Chris King
    Rear Tire: Racing Ralph 2.25
    Rear Rim: Stans Flow
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    Rider: Twenty-years on mtb (6 on 29ers), former BMXer, based in Northern Virginia
    Weight: 220lbs
    Height: 6’4”
    Inseam: 36in
    Sleeve: 37in

    After last summer, I decided to put my six-year old Ventana El Rey out to pasture and update my ride based largely on geometry data due to a general lack of XL bikes to test ride. Having ridden a few bikes with shorter chain stays, I knew that I wanted stays shorter than the 18.3 ones on the El Rey, and I also was keen on finding a bike with a lower bottom bracket. After months of research, I pre-ordered the 429c from Competitive Cyclist in November and just took delivery of the frame the first week of April.

    Out of the box, I was incredibly impressed with how light the frame felt; easily a couple of pounds lighter than my El Rey. What didn’t impress me was the lack of internal cable routing, which I didn’t know was only featured on the smaller frames. Still, cable routing alone wouldn’t have swayed my decision and as I tell my four-year old, “You get what you get and don’t get upset about it.”

    The build was pretty straight forward as I was mostly porting over components from my older frame, and in hindsight, not having to fuss with internal routing, probably made the process a tiny bit easier. One thing that did stand out was the front derailleur; it was stupid simple to install. Who’s to say whether or not front derailleurs will be around in a few years, but while they are, direct mount is definitely the way to go.

    To date, I’ve only gotten in three solid rides on the 429, but I’m really loving it. There was initially some concern about choosing a 34 as opposed to a 32, fearing that it would rake the bike out too much, but that isn’t the case at all. Set at 130mm, the 34 brings the bottom bracket up to only 13.5in and slackens the head tube to about 69 degrees. This setup is spot on for the Mid Atlantic, where roots and rocks cause pedal strikes with lower bottom bracket heights, and, to boot, it feels very comfortable.

    There’s not a world of difference in terms of stiffness compared to my El Rey, but that frame is a tank in comparison, and I feel that the DW link suspension does provide much better pedaling efficiency. Looking down at the shock as I climb root and rock strewn trails, the back end gently absorbs and erases much of the harshness. And, when pedaling on the flats, there’s no discernible movement, even in the “trail” setting, which is where I’ve set both the shock and fork.

    Once I get more time on the bike, I’ll post a longer report, but thanks to everyone here for advice and build tips, and also to Pivot, who offered fantastic customer service throughout my wait. The 429c, so far, has been time and money very well spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    my friend's firebird also had the same issue, our lbs just replaced it...

    according to my lbs, pivot will be sending new type of bearings to replace these fast wearing ones.

    will update once they changed it over the weekend...
    Thanks E,
    Please keep us updated, I am in the shop for the rear shock, if I could get the bearings replaced at the same time that would be a plus.

    UPDATE : My LBS talked to Pivot and is checking my lower linkage for the "out of tolerance" bearings, good on LBS and Pivot.
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    So I pulled mine apart tonight.

    Really a super easy job, much less involved than my Tallboy was.

    Bearings, particularly on the rear felt super rough until I cleaned things up and then they were totally fine. Cleaned and reassembled. Here is hoping for 500 miles of silence. Things were great on my short test ride around the neighborhood.

    But it's an easy job. Just make sure to go to the pivot website to get clarity on what to use loctite and where to use antiseize.
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    Team Green - Any Quality Issues?

    Proud owner of 5.7 alum...test rode a 429c & now have 1 on order - Team Green. Has anyone heard that the finish on the green is not durable or any other info that may point me toward the natural / blue? Been waiting on Fox for suspension backorders, but not seems there is a lack of frames till July - Aug. I test rode the green in xt/xtr & that's the bike I desire, but now wondering...

    Any input much appreciated.

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    I have been extremely happy with the finish on my carbon W/ red. Lots of dirt dust rocks and mud early in the season very little cable rubs, 700 miles of trail 150k if climb and decend When I wipe down / clean still looks excellent , seems very durable to me.

    However, There is a guy on the board very unhappy with durability oc the green, I sure he will chime in. He had several posts on it.

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    Mine has been pretty good. One small chip on the top tube and a little scratch on the downtube from a rock. But I'm not having major chipping problems, or anything like that. I dig the team green.
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    Yea, thought I read on hear about issue with Green. I also heard that there was a quality issue on the last batch of green frames received so another 4 weeks for next batch (unless I switch to other color). I understand wear & tear, but never had carbon on MTB + spenidng alot of coin for this one. The 5.7 alum has been bomb proof on finish & quality

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    The green is a faster frame for sure, and based on the response - chicks dig the green.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    The green is a faster frame for sure, and based on the response - chicks dig the green.
    So true...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    The green is a faster frame for sure, and based on the response - chicks dig the green.
    Yes, we do.

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    So I got my 429c back Wednesday and rode it this AM.
    Recap :
    Rear shock damping was blown, fixed under warranty.
    Rear 240s hub service
    I had growing creaking...LBS (The Path) contacted Pivot about out of tolerance bearing on a few frames turns out mine was OK. LBS tore down pivots, cleaned, lubed, reassembled. Bike rode Awesome and Creak Free today. Good! I will see how long that lasts. (Creak Free). Nice to have working suspension again

    Also added a KS Lev dropper...holy crap that thing is cool and now I am thinking after one ride how did I survive without one.
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    Anyone know the stock weight on the 429C w/ XT/SLX build kit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    my friend's firebird also had the same issue, our lbs just replaced it...

    according to my lbs, pivot will be sending new type of bearings to replace these fast wearing ones.

    will update once they changed it over the weekend...
    so my bearing replacement arrived. when the mechanic was about to replace it. he found a lot of sand around the bearing assembly. he cleaned it & it's sound free already. but i told him that the thing is exposed to mud & dirt, so it would happen again. but he assured me that it wont happen again coz he did something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fontarin View Post
    Anyone know the stock weight on the 429C w/ XT/SLX build kit?
    I do not... but i have a nice XT build with 240s and Arches, and it was 27 and change, now with my Lev it is 28 even.

    So with Xt / SLX I think you looking at 28 and change...

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    429 Carbon thread

    Balanced? Yes. In my biased opinion, balance has more to do with set up, not total travel length. I'm riding both the front and rear in the "trail" position 90% of the time and have them tuned to "firm." I'm thinking of dropping the fork down to 120mm, but that's more for the sake of geometry, not suspension feel.
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    comparison?

    Have you changed your mind on the benefits of running the 130? I'm feeling the 120 is a bit steep for me on the technical east coast descents and have been thinking about going to the 130. Does any one know what rake fork Pivot specs on the 429C? I wonder how the longer rake Trek/Ibis version of the Fox would effect the handling.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaredbadams View Post
    Balanced? Yes. In my biased opinion, balance has more to do with set up, not total travel length. I'm riding both the front and rear in the "trail" position 90% of the time and have them tuned to "firm." I'm thinking of dropping the fork down to 120mm, but that's more for the sake of geometry, not suspension feel.

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    Still waiting on a Green frame...first there were delays from Fox (buying xt/xtr kit), then I heard quality issues are causing a delay with frame choice now. Maybe end of Aug? Wonder if I'll be getting a 2014 or wonder what may be release at dealer camp at end of July? Maybe I'll be waiting even longer based on news to come...

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    most squishy bikes creak, the best way to deal with this that i have found is, earbuds and music. its easier to adapt to riding with tunes vs riding with anger and frustration over creaking, plus, one has a tendency to slow down to lessen the creaking vs speeding up because your rocking out to a singletrack moshpit with something like phobia, raped by pigs or the classic cannibal corpse. just a thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffva View Post
    Still waiting on a Green frame...first there were delays from Fox (buying xt/xtr kit), then I heard quality issues are causing a delay with frame choice now. Maybe end of Aug? Wonder if I'll be getting a 2014 or wonder what may be release at dealer camp at end of July? Maybe I'll be waiting even longer based on news to come...
    According to the best bike shop in Orange County, the 2014's are now ready!!

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    Re: 429c carbon thread

    Just got a black-red 429 carbon frame in size L (pic and build info coming later) and was wondering does anyone have info what is the recommended minimum seat post insertion amount. My current post extends to as noted in the picture and I was wondering is this enough or should I get a longer post?
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    Sorry, i don't know your experience level, and we can't see how much post is above the seat clanp. But -

    The minimum insertion depth is normally marked on the post. While that does assume that the post is weaker and will break before the frame, that's likely the case here.

    Even if you have a 400mm post, the mark you're showing should be more than sufficient. Weight weenies would likely consider cutting it at that point.
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    Re: 429c carbon thread

    Quote Originally Posted by icsloppl View Post
    Sorry, i don't know your experience level, and we can't see how much post is above the seat clanp. But -

    The minimum insertion depth is normally marked on the post. While that does assume that the post is weaker and will break before the frame, that's likely the case here.

    Even if you have a 400mm post, the mark you're showing should be more than sufficient. Weight weenies would likely consider cutting it at that point.
    Just got a reply from Pivot that they have planned the frame for a minimun insertion amount of 100 mm which is ok in my situation as my current insertion amount is about 120 mm (seatpost is a 415 mm Reverb).

    It just funny because I think in my Reverb the minimum insertion depth mark is clearly smaller than 100 mm...

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    Here is my 429 C- build: (L-size frame)

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    Fork: X-Fusion Trace RL2 120mm
    Wheels: DT Swiss 350, Stan's Arch EX, Supercomp
    Brakes: Formula R1
    Drivetrain: SRAM XX1
    Stem: Easton Haven 70mm
    Handlebar: Ritchey Trail Carbon 740 mm
    Seatpost: Reverb
    Seat: Selle Italia XP
    Tyres: Rocket Ron 2.25 with NoTubes sealant.
    Pedals: Shimano XTR

    24.7 lbs with pedals

    BTW, does anybody know can a 2.35" Hans Dampf or 2.4" Ardent be used at the rear? Looks quite tight with 2.25" already...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xizor1 View Post
    Here is my 429 C- build: (L-size frame)

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    BTW, does anybody know can a 2.35" Hans Dampf or 2.4" Ardent be used at the rear? Looks quite tight with 2.25" already...
    I am running a 2.35" Hans Dampf up front and a 2.4" Ardent on the rear with room to spare. These are setup on my 24mm internal width Enve AM wheels. Both are about the same width, so the Hans should fit fine in the rear as well. No rubbing issues, but mud clearance could be a problem if you ride in areas where it's prevalent (def not an issue in central TX). Expect to gain another 1.5 pounds with the change to those tires.

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    Doing a custom build myself.... Anyone thought about running the RS Pike 140mm? Pike RCT3 | SRAM & Rock Shox Pike RCT3 29" Solo Air 140mm Fork Black 51 Review

    Think it would change up geometry too much? HA & BB height?

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    Just demo'd a 429 carbon Medium XT/XTR build today on a 20 mile XC ride. I don't even know where to start. Lets just say I have been a loyal specialized customer until today. Those days beginning today are officially over. For some background I own the following large frame bikes:

    12 Epic Carbon Comp 29er
    12 Camber 29er Carbon Expert with 15mm front axle upgrade
    12 Stumpjumper Carbon Comp 29er w/ a 120mm fork (instead of the 130mm stock fork)
    14 Camber comp carbon 29er w/carbon rims

    All of the above are set up tubeless, have Stans rims, have carbon bars and some have carbon cranks and so on along with some minor upgrades but overall they are pretty close to stock. The approx. weights respectively are. 25, 26, 26.5, 26.5

    In the spirit of full disclosure I could not stop myself from throwing my Roval carbon rims on the 429 before I road it today since I have tried slant 6's and they just don't work where I ride plus they had tubes in them and my carbons rims are tubeless. This also made the setup faster since my rims already had my tires of choice on them. The 429 weighed in at 26lb 12oz with XTR pedals.

    Now I am going to list the things that stood out me, the things that were distinct, that told me I was not on my Specialized anymore in sort of the order that I noticed them from the start.

    1. The crank spin: The XT crank with the 38/24 rings and whatever kind of bottom bracket and bearings are in there (92mm?) spun like nothing I have ever felt before. I would swear there were ceramic bearings (even though I have never tried ceramic bearings so I have no real way of comparing).

    2. Transfer of energy: Along with #1 above came an amazing and efficient transfer of energy with little waste. Acceleration even blew away my Epic. The energy input and power output efficiency was mind blowing. I was instantly a better rider.

    3. Handling: No more taking turns too wide because your bike can't track properly through corners. My other bikes are not even in the same universe much less the same planetary system. You think it and this bike does it, it is that effortless. That is the only way I can describe it.

    4. Overall smoothness of ride. I rode 20 miles but to my body it felt the same as 8 on my 2014 Camber. My aging body loves this bike. Now this may cause you to think that performance suffers but it is just the opposite. This bike is fast, smooth, knifes down the trail dodging anything that you feel like dodging. Amazing bike.

    That is all
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    Are you going to change your user name, too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh View Post
    Are you going to change your user name, too?
    LOL, no but only because the Stumpy is the only bike I would keep in my current stable. The others have become, well, useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpjumper61 View Post
    LOL, no but only because the Stumpy is the only bike I would keep in my current stable. The others have become, well, useless.
    U haz no alternatives.

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    Less XC set up?

    I've read snippets here or there around fork variations with the 429c. After having so much fun on my Bronson, I yearn for more DH capability in my 429c.

    Thinking of:

    130mm/34-35 fork (140? Pivot says 100-125mm)
    Angleset (-1°?)
    Burlier shock (Monarch/Plus, Float X)
    Lose the front der

    Has Enve AMs and big rubber already. Please don't tell me to go Mach 6...I'm already dealing with those evil thoughts

    TIA...

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    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    I've read snippets here or there around fork variations with the 429c. After having so much fun on my Bronson, I yearn for more DH capability in my 429c.

    Thinking of:

    130mm/34-35 fork (140? Pivot says 100-125mm)
    Angleset (-1°?)
    Burlier shock (Monarch/Plus, Float X)
    Lose the front der

    Has Enve AMs and big rubber already. Please don't tell me to go Mach 6...I'm already dealing with those evil thoughts

    TIA...
    Go Mach 6.

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    Wow, and I thought I was the only one running a 22/32 combo with a bash ring. My bike came with 24/38 up front and I found I needed a lower granny plus I was hardly ever using the 38 but to move from a 24 down to a 22 with the larger 38 wouldn't give me good shifting so I actually bought a triple crank (what a waste since I didn't order it with it) and ordered a standard 22 and then the XT 32 with the ramps. Without the bash I couldn't keep it from overthrowing the 32 but once the bash came in it was perfect. I totally love the setup, gives me all the gears for on trail and nothing I don't need. I spin very fast. Nice clean bike on that hardwood floor, I should bring mine in after a bath sometime and take a fireside photo of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robwas View Post
    Wow, and I thought I was the only one running a 22/32 combo with a bash ring. My bike came with 24/38 up front and I found I needed a lower granny plus I was hardly ever using the 38 but to move from a 24 down to a 22 with the larger 38 wouldn't give me good shifting so I actually bought a triple crank (what a waste since I didn't order it with it) and ordered a standard 22 and then the XT 32 with the ramps. Without the bash I couldn't keep it from overthrowing the 32 but once the bash came in it was perfect. I totally love the setup, gives me all the gears for on trail and nothing I don't need. I spin very fast. Nice clean bike on that hardwood floor, I should bring mine in after a bath sometime and take a fireside photo of it.
    My LBS told me I couldn't change to a 22 granny without changing the cranks as well. Currently have a 24-38 w/ XT cranks, 22-36 would seem more ideal. I was surprised when they told me that. Am I getting mis informed?

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    One up components is now offering a 42 tooth ring for your rear 10 speed cassette and I also saw a 41 tooth for the same on ebay just a thought

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    Hi all and greetings from Finland!

    This is my first ever post to MTBR-forum. I just would like to share my great joy to have a new Xmas present purchased by myself.


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    It has been built mainly for XC- and trailrides. The weight is about 10.4 kg (22.9 lbs).

    I have not yet even ridden it because we have nasty weather here up north. I prefer to save the enjoyment until the more pleasant weather comes in the spring.

    Currently I am doing all my winter rides with the full rigid On One Carbon 29 Racer using Schwalbe Ice Spiker Pro studded tires on Velocity Dually 45 mm rims - an interesting combo indeed!

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    28.0 lbs 429C build

    429c carbon thread-20131211_pivot-429c.jpg

    From the factory:
    2013 Pivot 429C size medium
    Fox Float 32 120mm travel CTD
    XT/XTR pro package

    Additions:
    Syntace W35 wheels
    Front Maxxis Ardent 2.4 tubeless
    Rear Racing Ralph 2.25 tubeless
    Ergon GP 1 bar ends
    Wellgo MG-1 pedals
    XT triple crank w/ bash guard 22/32 combo

    Total build weight with pedals 28lbs

    It seems heavy compared to most 429 builds, maybe if I put on the original wheel set it'd come in a tad less but loving those wider rims and bigger tires on the root and rocky stuff we have here.

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    I was wondering I am getting ready to buy a new bike and the pivot is very high on my list. Why did you buy yours? What else did you look at? I am also interested in the Intense Spider Comp. The pivot seems to be the gold standard but looking for more reasons I guess as to me this is a really expensive bike.

    About me, I live in Las Vegas ride xc some trail stuff nothing crazy.

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    I went out on a demo day rode the bike and loved how it handled. In all fairness while I rode other bikes around parking lots and near shops the Pivot was really only the second bike I got to truly ride on a real trail. The first was a Santa Cruz Tallboy which was my initial choice and I thought I'd love it so I went out to a bike shop in another state because they had one, took a test ride and actually hated it. I've been mountain biking for about 20 years but I took a big hiatus due to some health issues and got back into it a little over a year ago. Prior to the 429c I owned a hard tail trek 8000 series bike from 1994 which served me really well but there is no comparison to the new technology. The few times I hopped back on my old bike it felt downright dangerous. I guess a big part of my buying decision was I really wanted something different and 29ers are all the rage and everyone said they'd grow on me. The Pivot was the first 29er I rode that didn't have to do any growing, I liked it the first time I rode it and it inspired confidence almost instantly. If I were buying a bike now though I'd probably look at Ibis, Trek and maybe even Specialized endure bikes what have a lot of travel. As much as I love my Pivot the few things I find I'd like to have are perhaps even more travel, I set my shocks up pretty light to soak up roots and such but when I go off a decent drop I bottom them out, something with more travel would perhaps allow the best of both worlds. About the only things I don't like about my Pivot are pedal strikes, weight and maneuvering in super tight stuff. Because I ride it plush with a lot of sag I have to be really careful not to hit the pedals on rocks and roots, even then I hit them quite often. The second thing is coming off a sub 24lb bike my Pivot is quite a bit heavier and takes more effort to get up hills. Lastly while the bike really can take wide sweeping turns fast, low speed handling in super tight stuff like we have on some of our tee lined trails is a bit clumsy but I'm really nitpicking, it's truly a fun bike. If it had just a bit more rear wheel travel it'd be ideal.

    And yes, it is REALLY expensive, I think with the upgraded hubs mine cost around $6000.

    Good luck on your search, the best advice i can give is get out and ride the bikes not around parking lots but on trails, if Pivot has a demo day near you take advantage of that, you're spending a lot of green on a bike so be sure before you buy something less than what you love.

    Rob

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    Wow thank you for the honest feed back. I think I can accept nothing is perfect and that I am the only one who can decide what I like but it is nice to hear other peoples thoughts. Like you I am getting back into biking after some time away. My specialized hard tail is dated and unforgiving but still a great bike. I am hoping to find something that will instill more confidence in my riding as at times now I think I am beyond my bike.

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