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    429c carbon thread

    I lube along the length of the axle. Also the axle on my carbon tends to loosen and creak if I don't crank it very tight.


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    Thanks... another question.

    Where / what type replacement derailleur hanger. I want to have a spare.

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    OK answering my own question

    I assume this is correct... I have direct mount Shimano XTR Shadow Der

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    New 429 Carbon Build makes me a believer.

    Hi Guy's, I received my 429 C last Tuesday and spent a bit of time putting it together completing the build yesterday.

    The bike is an Australian build XT/XTR so comes with Stans ArchEX wheels XTR Rear Mech and XT for the rest of the drivetrain and XT Trail brakes. By a bit of luck it actually came with a Stans Crest wheelset. I had a few bits of bling which was to come off my trusty Mach 5 to add to the 429 C when I got it. The build is as follows.

    429 C medium size.
    Stans Crest wheelset with 2.2 Maxxis Ikon Rear tyre and 2.2 Racing Ralph front.
    XTR Trail Brakes with 180mm front and 160mm rear rotors.
    XTR rear Mech.
    XT shifters and front Mech.
    XT 11/36 Cassette.
    SLK 90mm Stem.
    Pivot 740 Carbon Bars.
    Syntace P6 Carbon Hiflex seatpost.
    Prologo Ti Rail Seat.
    Weight 11.9kg on digital fishing scales.

    Had my first ride on it today with a splitting headache but I wasn't going to miss the chance to take it out as it was nice weather, around 14 degrees C. My first ride on a 29er and so far so good.

    Love the way it corners and the more planted feeling it seems to give. Must be the lower bottom bracket. It seems more of a carver when cornering compared to the Mach 5. I rode my local loop which comprises rocky sandstone trails with loose sandy soil between in the lower blue mountains west of Sydney.

    Technical climbing may be a little better than the Mach 5 and I could definitely feel the 4 odd years of development in the suspension, Mach 5 being 2008 and the 429 C 2012 design. Night ride tomorrow night.


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    Vinno - I'm curious as to how a HiFlex post feels on a FS bike.

    My current build for a clyde

    Supermax fork
    ENVE AM/Aerolite/240s wheels
    X9 180mm crank
    Wolf Tooth chain ring
    XX1 drive train
    Saint front brake/180mm rotor
    XT rear brake/160mm rotor
    3T Extendo bar
    Thomson stem
    P6 Carbon post
    2.25 Nobby Nic SS front
    2.25 Rocket Ron SS rear

    I have a Reverb, but i didn't use it much and it broke twice with less than twenty total rides.

    The green paint chips very easily, so it you fall in the rocks you're going to get paint damage, but it's a mountain bike.

    With a stiff fork, this bike chews up rock gardens. Granted a longer travel bike can do so with less drama, but they tend not to squirt up less techy hills and cruise the flats like this bike. A TNT Gato on the front makes this bike seem even more invincible. I worry I'm going to blow out my Nobby Nic at times.

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    Don I can't really tell if the post does anything, I really bought it as I wanted to add some carbon bling and they are reportedly bomb proof.

    I have bought some Lizard Skin frame wrap to protect the frame, it's a good Aussie product but I need to get off the bike now as it arrived after my first ride. Work will hold me up.

    I'm happy with how mine tracks as my Mach 5 still has the original 2008 Fox Talas 140mm quick release fork so I find the fork on my 429C plenty stiff. A lot of rocks where I ride so the through axle really helps here. Had to concentrate on not getting too confident as the bike just seems so fast on downhills. So far it seems very flickable and light in the rear. I hope the wheels last as they are going to cop it.

    If I could pick the difference between the 5 and the 429C I would say the main one is suspension performance. The wheel size didn't make a difference to my riding style but maybe that is because I already ride a DW bike. If I could compare it to anything I would say it fells a bit like a mates 5.7C with that light feeling rear. Hope I can still ride the 5 once I rebuild it I think I will be replacing the forks on it with some stiffer ones soon.

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    What are y'all riding tire wise on your 429's. Mine came with Slant Sixes, changed out the front right away to a 2.2 Nobby Nic. That's worked out pretty well, but I do notice the rear end slipping on steep loose climbs more than I'm used to. Thinking of swapping the somewhat worn NN to the back and getting something new and beefier for the front.

    Any recommendations? I do ride a big mix of trails, things are tacky and fast now but will be getting looser and drier as summer really kicks in.

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    429c carbon thread

    Dry - XR3 Team/RaRa SS
    Damp/dry - NN SS/RoRo SS
    Winter/rocks - Gato TNT/GC UST GRID

    If forced to budget
    Summer - Goma 2.25 TNT/Saguaro TNT
    Winter - Gato TNT/Goma 2.25 TNT

    The Schwalbe 29er SS tires are reliable and light. They are stupid expensive even with discounting if you ride in rocks. Geax is priced well, super tough, wear well, but heavy. I like the Continental tread designs but I tend to pinch flat the Protection versions. Spec and Bontrager have good tires but I can get Schwalbes at the same or lower price.


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    429c carbon thread

    Maxxis ikon in a 2.35. Fast rolling center as 2.20 but with tall more aggressive sides knobs


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    Interested to see what suspension PSI you guys are riding with your M429Cs. I have the Fox Float 32 Kashima setup (120 front, 100 rear) and am 225 kitted and have my shock set at 70 front and 160 back to soften the ride up otherwise I just feel like I am skipping over rocks vs. Absorbing them. Rebound is set in the middle both front and back. Believe it or not, that puts sag around 30 percent for me. Ride in SoCal mostly XC but there are some gnarly trail routes I also take. Don't do any drops over 12 inches and don't get much air either.

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    429c carbon thread

    Forgot - currently running Specialized S-works Purgatory front 25 psi and Ground Control rear 30 psi. Tubeless.

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    Re: 429c carbon thread

    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Interested to see what suspension PSI you guys are riding with your M429Cs. I have the Fox Float 32 Kashima setup (120 front, 100 rear) and am 225 kitted and have my shock set at 70 front and 160 back to soften the ride up otherwise I just feel like I am skipping over rocks vs. Absorbing them. Rebound is set in the middle both front and back. Believe it or not, that puts sag around 30 percent for me. Ride in SoCal mostly XC but there are some gnarly trail routes I also take. Don't do any drops over 12 inches and don't get much air either.
    I'm about 215 with full gear and a Camelback and I'm running 90 front (Trace RL2) and 170 back. Been thinking of trying a bit lower PSI on both ends so your numbers seem quite close. I've even got the same tyre combo so Purgatory front, Ground back. ☺

    Much better on rougher trails than RoRo SS which I usually use in the summer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xizor1 View Post
    I'm about 215 with full gear and a Camelback and I'm running 90 front (Trace RL2) and 170 back. Been thinking of trying a bit lower PSI on both ends so your numbers seem quite close. I've even got the same tyre combo so Purgatory front, Ground back.

    Much better on rougher trails than RoRo SS which I usually use in the summer...
    Just went back to more or less factory suggestions which is 100psi front and 180 rear. The ride is stiffer but more efficient for climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejreyes6 View Post
    Maxxis ikon in a 2.35. Fast rolling center as 2.20 but with tall more aggressive sides knobs


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    Front and rear? Was thinking the Ikon would be good for a rear tire, but how's it up front in loose conditions?

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    429c carbon thread

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    Finally got my 429 C just the way I want, not a single component here that I would change. :-)



    This frame is still unbelievable, only thing that would make me consider changing it would be a longer travel version. :-D

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    I have a new 429c in Green, I also have found the green is chipping and not normal. I may need to contact Pivot about it!! The bike is incredible I love it. I use Bontrager XR3 tires 29x2.30 front and rear, they are perfect on this bike. Frame is on the heavy side but worth the weight penalty with the stiffness is provides. One great bike!! Mich. WildGripR don't compare to the XR3.
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    Hey just a reminder to those of us that are heading into 1 1/2 - 2 years...

    I was hearing some clunking down the trail and notices my XTR Shadow wasn't as tight...
    opened it up and adjusted a bit and walluh .. back to its quiet self.

    On the creak and clean front ...
    Also I took off the crank and pulled the lower pivots and cleaned them easier than I thought. 1 of the 4 bearing felt a little dry so I following a friendssuggestion , carefully used an exacto and pulled of the the little orange seal on the bearing cleaned it out with a little oil spray, pressure aired it .. .then repacked with grease.. all not too hard for this med-level wrencher.

    I am going to work my way through the pivots. Using my fancy torque wrench I got for christmas...hopefully all the bearing just need a little love, I am not at the level of pulling out and pressing in new bearing.
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    Question for you folks or Pivot as I am re-assmebling, I notice a little red on the pivots bolts can I assume that is some form of lite locktight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    Vinno - I'm curious as to how a HiFlex post feels on a FS bike.

    My current build for a clyde

    Supermax fork
    ENVE AM/Aerolite/240s wheels
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    Wolf Tooth chain ring
    XX1 drive train
    Saint front brake/180mm rotor
    XT rear brake/160mm rotor
    3T Extendo bar
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    2.25 Nobby Nic SS front
    2.25 Rocket Ron SS rear

    I have a Reverb, but i didn't use it much and it broke twice with less than twenty total rides.

    The green paint chips very easily, so it you fall in the rocks you're going to get paint damage, but it's a mountain bike.

    With a stiff fork, this bike chews up rock gardens. Granted a longer travel bike can do so with less drama, but they tend not to squirt up less techy hills and cruise the flats like this bike. A TNT Gato on the front makes this bike seem even more invincible. I worry I'm going to blow out my Nobby Nic at times.

    I just took the hi flex post off of my bike as I had some creaking and popping out of it. Regardless, I put an aluminum post on it and NO question the hi flex "works". That said, I like the aluminum post better to be honest. Feels more connected to the bike.

    The hi flex on a hard tail would make a difference though, no doubt.
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    I don't know why anyone would use that post on any FS bike, makes no sense !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I don't know why anyone would use that post on any FS bike, makes no sense !!

    Well, when it's light, strong, and just sitting in the parts bin why not.

    It's a subtle effect, but I did notice it anyways. Would I order one specifically, or recommend anyone do that - no, but if you have one no big deal to use it.
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    Well reporting back to myself. The cleaning and lubing of the pivots / bearing did the trick. Silent smooth 429c. Now that I know what I am doing, I think I could do them all in under an hour. Also clutch adj help... did I say... I love my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I don't know why anyone would use that post on any FS bike, makes no sense !!
    I wasn't worried about the flex of the post just wanted a carbon post on it. The Syntace posts have 10 Years warranty for the original owner so I figured reasonably light and strong was the way to go. Not sure there is any flex in a post of that size anyway. Also Pivot were using them a couple of years ago on their top OEM bikes so must be a decent component. All I have heard is good reviews of Syntace gear also.

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    429c carbon thread

    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.
    If your riding "Trail" put the 120 on it...its really nice if you ride some rocks and rough.. I have not ever had the 100 on mine so maybe I am missing something... but I can track my buddies through the twisties... just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvader View Post
    If your riding "Trail" put the 120 on it...its really nice if you ride some rocks and rough.. I have not ever had the 100 on mine so maybe I am missing something... but I can track my buddies through the twisties... just fine.
    I agree, only situation where a 100mm fork could be better is a steep technical climb, where getting the front end lower would be slightly advantageous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.
    I had a 120 on mine for the first year. The bike never felt right to me. I was going to sell it and tried a 100mm SID. The bike came alive. Handled way better. The only thing I lost was a little stability on big downhills with lots of roots or rocks. But its minimal. If you are more comfortable on an XC bike the 100 is the way to go.

    If I lived out west I would probably not go 100mm or even the 429 for that matter. The bike was originally designed around the 100. That is my take.

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    Well there you have it ... its definitely either a 120 or 100

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    Thanks for the replies. I guess I'm safe starting with either one, when I do build up a frame it'll depend on whether I still have the 100 fork or if I'll have sold it and bought a 120. From what I've seen the HA with a 100 would be 70.3, which is not slack but not as steep as my existing bikes. From what I'm seeing in my research, it seems a 100 is viable it would just gove the bike a more pure XC characteristic.

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    Go with the Pike fork set at 120mm, this frame needs a stiff fork. The Pike right now is the best fork on the market and will provide the stiffness this frame deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Go with the Pike fork set at 120mm, this frame needs a stiff fork. The Pike right now is the best fork on the market and will provide the stiffness this frame deserves.
    +1 Pike
    I built mine up on the weekend and was super impressed with the fork. Noticeably stiffer than a Fox 32/15QR and only 50gm heavier on the same scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Go with the Pike fork set at 120mm, this frame needs a stiff fork. The Pike right now is the best fork on the market and will provide the stiffness this frame deserves.
    SuperMax with carbon wheels. A clydale's dream come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.
    I've run a Fox 32 29er std offset at 110 and 120mm.

    I've tended to like quicker handling bikes in the past, but to be honest I think I prefer the 429c at 120 actually. I wouldn't want to go longer (which is why I haven't done a pike at 120 yet... I think I would drop it to 110 to get the same crown - axle).

    But, if I could add stiffness to the front end - I would.

    The fork that interests me is the x-fusion trace, but set at 110mm possibly. Not sure how that 51mm offset would affect the bike. It's so dialed now, tough for me to justify a change (other than every single fox fork I own gets a creaky crown... and it always comes back after getting it replaced even).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    I've run a Fox 32 29er std offset at 110 and 120mm.

    I've tended to like quicker handling bikes in the past, but to be honest I think I prefer the 429c at 120 actually. I wouldn't want to go longer (which is why I haven't done a pike at 120 yet... I think I would drop it to 110 to get the same crown - axle).

    But, if I could add stiffness to the front end - I would.

    The fork that interests me is the x-fusion trace, but set at 110mm possibly. Not sure how that 51mm offset would affect the bike. It's so dialed now, tough for me to justify a change (other than every single fox fork I own gets a creaky crown... and it always comes back after getting it replaced even).
    What is the a2c of the fox at 120? I've got a Trace and love it, by the way.
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    ... and if we just ... First Ride Pic

    Finally got the frame last week after a nearly 2 month wait. Promptly built it up over the weekend and took it for a ride. Used a mix of new and used parts from my old bike.

    Result as follows:

    • 429c in XL
    • Pike 120mm
    • 35mm LB Carbon rims on Hope Evo hubs
    • KS LEV 150mm dropper post
    • 3T Extendo Ltd carbon bars
    • Funn 60mm stem
    • XT drivetrain and brakes.



    Initial urban ride impressions are of super-direct and responsive feel in every direction. Pike fork is super plush and stiff in ways that I didn't even know my Fox 32s were flexy. Bike is super easy to wheelie and feels really balanced.

    If the weather holds out, first trail ride is tomorrow.

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    Any weight on your setup @abevern??

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkrw3 View Post
    Any weight on your setup ??
    According to digital bathroom scales 13.0kg +/- 0.1kg with a light coating of dust. That's about 28.7lbs in old money.

    Tyres are tubeless with 2 scoops of Stan's in each.
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    Any news on an update to the 429c colors and graphics? Seems like it should be time for a change.

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    No new color's in the works as per Pivot!!

    Abevern, how do like the Pike compared to the Fox 32?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    how do you like the Pike compared to the Fox 32?
    Trail time is a little limited due to seriously inclement weather but have spent a couple of hours on rough trail in addition to the initial urban ride.

    Overall impressions are that the fork absolutely suits the bike. It's like they were designed together. I haven't changed the token count - so it's very linear and has good balance with the rear shock character.

    Definitely responds to trail chatter better than either of my Fox forks (both F29 factory kashima coated w/ SKF seals and regularly serviced) and feel much less harsh on bigger hits (small drops/ fast rocks). In fact the Pikes don't feel harsh at all - I have yet to bottom them, though regularly using 80+% travel. They feel as bottomless as 120mm is ever going to feel, I think.

    As mentioned elsewhere my Pike was 50g heavier than my 100mm F29 Fox (2014 steerer/2011 lowers + internals).

    If performance doesn't degrade, and regular servicing doesn't show up endemic wear issues I think choosing a Pike is a no brainer.

    (Note that I have not had a Fox on this bike, only on my previous FS trail bike)

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    That is great to here, because I just ordered the Pike today. My shop will reduce to 120mm, I'm hoping not to feel the extra weight compared to the Fox 120mm CTD Float. My shop also say's the Pike is the perfect fork for the 429c, I can't wait. Thanks for the info!!

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    Did you go with the 46 offset, I was going to go 51mm but went with the 46 since the bike is speced that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Did you go with the 46 offset, I was going to go 51mm but went with the 46 since the bike is speced that way.
    Yes, standard 46mm offset. I look forward to your impressions, I think you'll love it.

    Probably worth having a look in the 2014 Pike thread for setup info. My reading was run minimal tokens to keep linear response. Run less rebound and compression than you would on a Fox. Try less sag - around 20%. I'm currently around 5 clicks in from fast rebound and 2 clicks on compression. It's early days, but works very well so far.

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    This is a pict of the 429c with the Fox 120mm Float CTD 2014 with 2015 dampener, seals and Gold oil. Anyone with the Fox fork this is noticeable upgrade, fork is smoother than previous. Fox sent the parts to my local shop for free along with a new upper because of the creaking that plagues the Fox. When I called and talked to Ed at Fox, I told him about the creak and how I was not happy with the suppleness of fork. Ed is the Man at Fox, great customer service. Will post a pict of Pike soon!!
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    replace shock with trail adjust

    hi m429c users, is it only me? i find the "climb" of the CTD shock still not firm enough for egressive climbing...

    my buddies (using other bikes) with CTD shock "w/ trail adjust" version are really firm when switched to "climb"...

    i'm thinking of replacing my shock with the "w/ trail adjust" version. or any suggestion...
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    Hi guys.. new member from Australia here..

    I have a M429C and just scored a RS reverb stealth seatpost for a silly cheap price. However our frames seem to not be ideal for internal routing...

    Just wondering if anyone has modified their frame to accept internal routing of a dropper post?

    I'll never be refitting a front derailleur so not worried about removing the cable outer stops..

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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    hi m429c users, is it only me? i find the "climb" of the CTD shock still not firm enough for egressive climbing...

    my buddies (using other bikes) with CTD shock "w/ trail adjust" version are really firm when switched to "climb"...

    i'm thinking of replacing my shock with the "w/ trail adjust" version. or any suggestion...
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    I found the same also.. I am about 95kg and always want some more lock when climbing longer hills...

    The M429C framesets always come with a light tune on the shock, due to the design of the DW link and it's properties.

    Best option if you want more platform is to have your shock retuned to suit your needs

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    Trail adjust only affects trail setting BUT if you have a 2013 that may be the problem they revolved / tuned for 2014 and beyond more platform... Climb seems firm too... Fox can upgrade internals for reasonable $

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    Re: 429c carbon thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kyl3 View Post
    Hi guys.. new member from Australia here..

    I have a M429C and just scored a RS reverb stealth seatpost for a silly cheap price. However our frames seem to not be ideal for internal routing...

    Just wondering if anyone has modified their frame to accept internal routing of a dropper post?

    I'll never be refitting a front derailleur so not worried about removing the cable outer stops..
    Never mind.. I worked it out. Wasn't ideal but got there!

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