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    What tires do you run on your 429c? I'm a potential buyer who wants to go more "All Mountain" with the 429c. Did the Australian version come with the Maxxis Ardent Race tires? As for the RS Dropper, I would probably have the shop install one when/if I decide to buy a 429c next spring. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    What tires do you run on your 429c? I'm a potential buyer who wants to go more "All Mountain" with the 429c. Did the Australian version come with the Maxxis Ardent Race tires? As for the RS Dropper, I would probably have the shop install one when/if I decide to buy a 429c next spring. Thanks
    All aussie 429s have rubena tyres on them from the factory unfortunately. They're pretty poor. Stan's Crest wheels also, which are XC race and definitely won't be good enough for AM riding. Suggest flow ex or a nice carbon wide rim.

    I run roval carbon wheels with ardent and crossmark tyres.
    I also purchased mine with a 100mm fork and would suggest for AM to consider a pike reduced to 120mm travel.
    On the dropper, you won't find a store who will want to internally route the post for you, the frame isn't compatible from the factory, a couple of mods however and you can get it done!

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    Thanks.

    I actually do have a shop that will do the internal routing so that isn't a problem. As for the fork, I don't think the 100 mm fork is even an option in the US. I don't see it in any of the build kits. I would love a Pike but the shop did not want to do a swap and give me credit because they would be stuck with a fork they couldn't sell. I have a pretty good relationship with the owner and believe him

    I do have the option from the same shop of the Santa Cruz TBLTc which comes with the Pike. I've demo'ed and like both bikes. The ideal solution for me would be a 529c from Pivot. I have time before I decide so I have to see if Pivot has any surprises in store at Interbike. My wife and I have our money tied up in a new house that won't be ready until May, 2015 and I promised not to buy a new bike until we close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    Thanks.

    I actually do have a shop that will do the internal routing so that isn't a problem. As for the fork, I don't think the 100 mm fork is even an option in the US. I don't see it in any of the build kits. I would love a Pike but the shop did not want to do a swap and give me credit because they would be stuck with a fork they couldn't sell. I have a pretty good relationship with the owner and believe him

    I do have the option from the same shop of the Santa Cruz TBLTc which comes with the Pike. I've demo'ed and like both bikes. The ideal solution for me would be a 529c from Pivot. I have time before I decide so I have to see if Pivot has any surprises in store at Interbike. My wife and I have our money tied up in a new house that won't be ready until May, 2015 and I promised not to buy a new bike until we close.
    Reckon your store will do this to a brand new frame for you??



    Cause that's what's involved in IR'ing a M429C

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    If I let them, I suppose. It's all moot at the moment since I have not decided on a Pivot quite yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    What tires do you run on your 429c? I'm a potential buyer who wants to go more "All Mountain" with the 429c. Did the Australian version come with the Maxxis Ardent Race tires? As for the RS Dropper, I would probably have the shop install one when/if I decide to buy a 429c next spring. Thanks
    Specialized Ground Control 29 x 2.3. Not the S-works (too thin of sidewalls).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rev Bubba View Post
    What tires do you run on your 429c? I'm a potential buyer who wants to go more "All Mountain" with the 429c. Did the Australian version come with the Maxxis Ardent Race tires? As for the RS Dropper, I would probably have the shop install one when/if I decide to buy a 429c next spring. Thanks
    During fall & summer I've been running Purgatory Control 2.3 front and Ground Control 2.3 on the back and I have been super impressed with this combo. Not terrible even on slightly wet days and they roll quite good for a real trail tyre (previously had Rocket Ron 2.25 front & back)

    But when autumn really starts and wet roots and rocks are constant, I've been running Hans Dampf Trailstar front & back. Allthough this autumn I've decided to try something else so a pair of Continental Trail King 2.2's (with BC compound) are on their way. I can post comparison to HD later when I have some ride time on the Conti...
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    Me I found the HD a bit much on the 29, like the Nobby Nic 2.25 on the 29 for Trail / Mountain. Although, I may have not run the HD low enought.

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    Bontrager XR3 team issue 29x2.30 front and rear at 21psi front 22 psi rear. My weight is 185. Tires work perfect for me and are light at 700 grams and only 55 bucks !!
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    Whats your rig weigh in at with the nox wheels?????

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    With the carbon wheels, X01 and the Pike fork 26.3 with pedals.

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    Anybody running an angleset? If so, is it working out?

    I'm thinking 1.5 degree, keep stock fork, shorter stem. I've been riding a slacker trail bike and warmed up to the geo and fit...to the point where the 429 feels twitchy and almost sketchy in tech terrain.

    A different fork would, I'm sure, unleash some new potential. Have considered it. Trying to keep the 429 XC-ish.

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    My 429c is slacked out now at 140mm with the pike fork, still waiting for new 120mm air spring from RS. At 140mm I had to raise tire pressure 3 lbs for how fast I'm now hitting the down's the Pike is so stiff and supple at the same time. 140mm has made climbing and handling more difficult, so 120mm is where I want to be. The Pike fork is worth the weight penalty 140g more than the Fox 120mm 32. The front on bike still feels light, hopefully will not change when its reduced to 120mm soon next week!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    My 429c is slacked out now at 140mm with the pike fork, still waiting for new 120mm air spring from RS. At 140mm I had to raise tire pressure 3 lbs for how fast I'm now hitting the down's the Pike is so stiff and supple at the same time. 140mm has made climbing and handling more difficult, so 120mm is where I want to be. The Pike fork is worth the weight penalty 140g more than the Fox 120mm 32. The front on bike still feels light, hopefully will not change when its reduced to 120mm soon next week!!
    The 120 is the right for for this bike. I heard the same complaint about climbing from folks who went to 130/140. Let us know how it works when you get the 120 springs

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    Thanks, guys--very helpful.

    140 grams, barely a penalty...

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    The Pike at 120mm is where this bike needs to be. It handles much better than at 140mm and I can still fly almost as fast down hill. The 35mm stanchions are way stiffer than the Fox 32mm and even at my weight 185lbs I can feel the difference. Rock Gardens are just fun now with more speed and no flex. This bike needs a Pike, great upgrade!! So plush but so stiff, it has it all!!

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    Re: 429c carbon thread

    You definitely speak the truth! Only one ride on mine with the Pikes so far...


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    I just put Syntace Vector 740mm, 10 rise and 12 degree sweep bar on bike. I love the feel of this bar on bike. I'm still playing with stem length and height in order to get dialed in. 75mm is too short for me now on the stem. With the 12 degree sweep on bar my hands are in a very natural position and 740mm wide is perfect. This bike keeps getting better and better with the dial in process.

    Kyl3, your Pike at 140mm? Looks like 120mm.

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    120 Is correct.

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    Just built up my 429c:

    It's been a long process gathering all the parts, but it's finally done.

    429c carbon thread-mach-429-1.jpg

    Here's the build sheet:

    XL Mach 429C Team Green
    Rock Shox Pike 29 @ 120mm
    SRAM Roam 60 Wheels
    XX1 Drivetrain
    SRAM Guide RSC Brakes w/180mm Rotors
    Rock Shox Reverb Dropper Post
    Ergon SM3 Saddle
    Crank Brothers Candy 3 Pedals
    Thomson Carbon Handlebar
    Thomson Elite X3 Stem
    ESI Chunky Grips
    I'm running crappy used tires with tubes at the moment as I wait for some Kenda tires to come in. Turnbull in the rear and Honey Badger XC Pro in the front.

    Total weight as seen is 27.8lbs.

    I've only got 1 ride in the bike so far, but it was an 8 mile climb with technical sections followed by a descent down the same.

    The biggest thing I noticed was that it felt like the tires were always in solid contact with the ground, whereas on my old bike, small bumps wound unsettle the tires costing me traction.

    It feels solid when I hammer on it, it rolls over rocks on technical climbs much better, and feels much more maneuverable and stable on the descents.

    I took a rather large leap of faith since I wasn't able to demo it, but it seems to have paid off.

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    Glad to hear you're happy with it! You definitely won't be disappointed!!

    Pikes were the best thing I've done to my 429.. It's so much more stable in the front end now.

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    hello all, read through this thread a few times.
    I have the opportunity to get a 429c to replace my aluminium 429. my only issue is not having been able to ride a 429c to compare and no opportunity to until spring if I do not jump now.

    Anyone else have any direct comparisons?

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    429c carbon thread

    Here is a good review that talks about both bikes: http://www.bicycling.com/mountain-bi...ach-429-carbon

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    Quote Originally Posted by esilvassy View Post
    I have the opportunity to get a 429c to replace my aluminium 429. my only issue is not having been able to ride a 429c to compare and no opportunity to until spring if I do not jump now.

    Anyone else have any direct comparisons?
    I made that jump and was very happy with the decision. I upgraded the wheels and a couple other parts, so it was not exactly 1:1, but the frame itself is worlds away from the aluminum. I wouldn't even begin to call it "the carbon version of the 429a." I bought the C because I loved my alum so much, but the C is decidedly different – all in good ways.

    The C is much more plush riding, and makes the A feel almost harsh. Like the A, it feels like it just wants to go fast. Both pedal very well, with barely discernible bob. If any bike deserves CF hoops, the C is it. The combo of a stiff, light hoop (Enve AM on mine) on that ridiculously stiff frame is something to experience. It was an absolute game changer for me.

    I just sold that insanely nice bike in lieu of a longer-travel bike, but my decision certainly had nothing to do with any shortcomings of the 429c. Mine was set up with rough XC and bikepacking in mind, but I think the bike would probably be even more in its element set up more for trail as some here have done or suggest.

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    The Carbon is slightly better in various ways IMO. I sold my first alloy to buy a carbon bike which was disappointing. I sold that bike for another carbon bike and that didn't work out. I returned to the alloy 429. Then the 429C came out. Ultimately, my shop gave me a great price. So far, so good.
    1. slacker, yet more neutral and nimble steering with a longer travel fork. My old 429 with a 120 Reba felt a little choppered out. My second 429 with a 60mm offset SuperMax felt a little twitchy and tippy. The SuperMax on the 429 feels just right.
    2. A little stiffer, but the alloy is so stiff I don't know if I can perceive a difference.
    3. Much more mud clearance. A Nobby Nic 2.25 will not fit in a alloy frame although there are good lower volume tires available.
    4. Plusher ride. Plus or minus. The alloy with a 100mm fork felt like a rocket and was connected to the trail. The carbon is more plush but still very efficient but doesn't rocket ahead like a Tallboy or Scalpel when you are on the gas. Unless you change the shock settings but I likey the plush.

    Was it worth selling the alloy to get the carbon? That is difficult to say. I'm an empty nester so I do ride it a lot. If my time and finances was more limited, I would of been very happy on the alloy. I have no desire to purchase another bike and this one is built like a tank so I have high hopes for longevity.

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    Any really tall 429c riders out there... looking to pick one of these up but am far away from a dealer and I am wondering how the sizing on em are. My stats are 6'5" with 36" inseam. Really hope to be able to fit underneath an XL and have a cockpit with some room

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbpower1 View Post
    Any really tall 429c riders out there... looking to pick one of these up but am far away from a dealer and I am wondering how the sizing on em are. My stats are 6'5" with 36" inseam. Really hope to be able to fit underneath an XL and have a cockpit with some room
    I'm 6'7" with a 37" inseam. I just moved from a 25" Ventana El Rey to an XL Mach 429c. I lost 1" in total cockpit length from the centerline of the handlebars to the center of the seatpost at the saddle, but more than that (1.5") was in a change from a 110mm stem (with 710mm bars, but bar size is irrelevant to this measurement) to a 70mm stem (with 750mm bars).

    I have to say I am supremely happy with the bike size. I didn't think I was going to be able to find a carbon bike that would fit me appropriately. I looked at the Trek Superfly 23", Fuel 23", Santa Cruz Tallboy/Tallboy LTc, and was waiting on the Turner Czar (Its such a BEAUTIFUL bike) in XXL, but it sounded like it wasn't coming anytime soon. A friend who rides for Pivot told me to check out the Mach 429 as Pivots run large. I checked the geometry and it was a bit shorter than my Ventana, but I always felt a bit stretched on my Ventana. I called Pivot about sizing and told them I was 6'7" they said the XL would fit, and they were right. It's perfect! They say the L is good up to about 6'3".

    Go for it!

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    Still no news about an update on the 429c? The only thing I don't like about the bike is the graphics/colours but have decided to buy one anyway because it's the perfect bike for my riding style and my local trails. But if there would for instance be a colour-update on its way soon, I would wait and gather all the parts meantime.

    Clevis-mounted shock, 1/2" more travel out back and 17.5" chainstays also on the wishlist...

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    Proper internal routing for dropper posts I want!

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    Pivot's not changing the 429c because its there #1 seller, but I agree some changed should be made to keep bike current. Can't they just provide internal routing for the dropper post, my frame that is being replaced under Warr. because of Green paint cracking won't be in till Jan. 2015. I decided to go with the black/blue color so I don't have to deal with that again. It will be the same bike unchanged in 3 years, all black stealth color would be nice!!

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    Lol...
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    Where did you here that, or get the info?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyl3 View Post
    I'll be all over that like a fat kid on cake if true...

    if true everyone can tank me as I had just put the wheels in motion to get a 429c on friday...
    looking forward to it either way.

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    Considering how long the Mach 4 is taking to roll out, I'm not expecting it any time soon. This bike is so good, I wonder if I could appreciate the next gen version.

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    The new updated 429c will be 2016 not 2015, my new black/blue large may be in at Pivot Tomorrow.

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    It will be the 2015 not the new 2016, warr. replacement!!

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    I am about to pull the trigger on a 429c and I like everything but the front fork on the build kits. I want to stay with 120mm travel and do not want to go longer. I am considering the Pike but have no clue to which model to purchase it's not real clear to me as it looks like it's only offered in a 140 version? I know Fox products well and if I have to I will go that direction but would like to try the Pike and then I will just sell the Fox 32 off from the kit.

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    The Pike is what I have and love on this bike, it now can be bought at 120mm. I had to buy the 140mm than have it reduced to 120mm. This fork is what this stiff frame needs to really make it shine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The Pike is what I have and love on this bike, it now can be bought at 120mm. I had to buy the 140mm than have it reduced to 120mm. This fork is what this stiff frame needs to really make it shine.
    How do you buy it at 120mm when I checked I still had to get 140 and get the cartridge to reduce to 120... maybe I am missing something.

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    Sram just told me Jan. till 120mm Pike available. Sorry!!

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    I did as above euthanasia Pikes, bought rct3 140 and had the shop fit the 120mm air sleeve..

    Have had this fork on now for 2 months, words cannot describe the difference this has made to the bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The new updated 429c will be 2016 not 2015, my new black/blue large may be in at Pivot Tomorrow.
    You were saying?!?

    Mach 429SL Carbon | Pivot Cycles | Performance Redefined

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    So they dropped the regular Mach429c, so how much more $$$ is this bike going to cost us now compared to the former? Also still no Fox 34 fork or Pike option on the build kits.

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    Will sell my frame.. You buy now!

    Want the new one heh heh heh

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    I guess Pivot told me wrong, I wonder what frame I will get ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyl3 View Post
    Will sell my frame.. You buy now!

    Want the new one heh heh heh
    Hmmm... Or should I buy a used frame from someone who can't stand having the heavier frame. I already know two friends who just have to get the new frame because they can't think rationally about these things But now the green one is about a pound heavier than the new frame so can't buy that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    The Pike is what I have and love on this bike, it now can be bought at 120mm. I had to buy the 140mm than have it reduced to 120mm. This fork is what this stiff frame needs to really make it shine.
    Xfusion trace is a much looked over excellent alternative to the pike. Almost two for the price of one if you shop carefully

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    Quote Originally Posted by freebiker View Post
    Xfusion trace is a much looked over excellent alternative to the pike.
    How about the 51mm offset of the Trace? What does it do to the handling of the bike? Been dreaming of a Trace for a while but the offset makes me hesitate.

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    The 51mm offset is what Trek used on there bikes, it will make steering feel quicker. Make the bike a bit more nimble. The change from 46mm offset will be suttle and work just fine, it increases trail which is a good thing!!

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    Bike rides much better on dhs. More stable. You can get over the front end and rip. I only noticed(barely,slight,minimal) the negative side of climbing Wobble wheel in the first few minutes after the fork change.

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    Wink

    First the BAD news: The X-fusion Trace actually costs more than the PIKE around here, I like the thought of easy internal travel adjust though.

    The GOOD news: The PIKE can be had with both offsets, think I would still choose what the manufacturer recommends, that is 46mm@120mm

    The BEST news: Bought a used 429 carbon frame today from a friend who wants an SL, its the team green. Could have had a complete carbon/red bike with xx1, carbon hoops etc. for less than my build up will be with same components but this time I made a subjective decision This way, it feels better to upgrade to an SL in the future, shedding a pound of weight instead of half a pound!

    The remaining question is, what to do with my "carbon" Specialized Camber now? Maybe I'll keep it and experiment a bit with it, just because its pretty

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcyclist View Post
    So they dropped the regular Mach429c, so how much more $$$ is this bike going to cost us now compared to the former? Also still no Fox 34 fork or Pike option on the build kits.
    The better question would be, will the new SL be the same price and we could expect to see retailers drop the prices of the 429c frames and bikes in stock to make room for the new hotness.

    Personally I would be all over a cheaper 429c. That's how I landed my 5.7c...

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    Well some other news. If you call the mnfgr you might find out that many, including some of their top riders/racers are running a 51 offset.

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    In a few more years 51mm offset will be the norm on 29er, more and more bike company's are specing it out as the stock fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeepnut22 View Post
    The better question would be, will the new SL be the same price and we could expect to see retailers drop the prices of the 429c frames and bikes in stock to make room for the new hotness.

    Personally I would be all over a cheaper 429c. That's how I landed my 5.7c...
    It will be 2999 for the frame, I believe, so a bit more expensive than the current MSRP.

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    Fwiw. I'll never give up my team green pivot. No way. Luv it!

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    Has anyone got the new frame yet, any picts?

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    Has anyone got the new frame yet, any picts?
    No but I have looked at the detailed pictures on their website and have some concerns with the revised cable routing. I can't believe they chose to route the rear brake hose through the down tube. This will mean you have to remove your caliper and do a re-bleed when you install or switch out your rear brake.

    I frankly don't understand the logic. In the case of a rear brake you are looking at about 55"-60" of hose where maybe 15" will be enclosed in the down-tube. So you have to go through all that to conceal 15" of tubing? Not smart. The rear brake hose routing was much better on the previous design.

    As for the RD cable rout, I don't see much improvement there either. If I had a choice between the seat stay route (prior design) and the revised route that goes under the bottom bracket, I would choose the former.

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    I just checked one out in person, I love the new look. The much cleaner cable routing is a + to me. I never liked the cables around the shock area and that you had external cable for dropper post. The rear brake is fine with me, Shimano brakes with mineral oil are the way to go very easy to bleed. The bike is very light compared to my green medium, the new bike will be a pound lighter if you have the green now. Green paint about 1/2 pound and new frame 1/2 pound lighter.
    With the Pike fork and some carbon wheels and dropper post, will be killer!! I would also go with larger frame, so shorter stem like 50 or 60 with wider bars can be utilized. I like to in the bike not on top! I don't like the way Pivot sets their bikes up with such long stems in picts, looks hideous!! In person the bike looks so much better.

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    Built one up yesterday together with my friend, he got the first that came to our country and I finally got his old frame. He got the carbon/yellow frame, we built it up with RS-1, Enve 60/40 wheels and XX1 drivetrain. Looked a lot better live than in pictures, the wheels were the jewel in the crown. And I AM sorry, did not take a picture of it. Also saw the Stealth frame, I think the carbon/green looked better.

    One negative about the new frame, internal routing of the rearbrake is never a good thing - but overall better cable routing than before. Its a pain in the ass to bleed the brake if (when!) you need to install or change it.

    Oh, and so I totally don't disappoint you: We weighed about 5 frames. All were in the range of 2470-2510g with only frame and shock (without headset cups, rear-axle, seatpost collar and bb). The "old" I got was about 370g heavier in team green.

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    It actually happened.. He's still waiting on the frontwheel with the proprietary hub though: Mach 429 SL Carbon/Green

    Will look a lot beefier with the Enve in front too. You can find it on Facebook, Team Skins Finland

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    The is freaking nice looking!!

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    Is it green or yellow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Is it green or yellow?
    Says green on the pivot homepage but in my opinion it was more yellow. Anyway, as long at it looks great it doesn't matter what we call it !

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    How wide are the wheels on this 2015 Pivot Mach 429sl?

    Very cool looking bike.

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    You mean on this specific bike behind that link? Those Enves are 23mm internal, 29mm external. The temporary Roval in front is 22mm internal, 27mm external.

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    I am still curious about the RS-1 ... my lowers are constantly getting scratched dinged so not sure how that is not going to happen. I ride in a lot of rock in SoCal / AZ etc. Will be curious to here a 90 day report... yup... dang my ol 429... is looking a bit plain

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    The green/anti-freeze hubs, Onyx Racing Hubs would looks so good with that color Pivot with big Derby rims!!
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    Lets us know how the SL compares to the 429C, does bike feel more nimble?

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    team green

    I just adore the team green, It is electrifying when riding in the woods. its a relic now, will have to keep it.
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    Wondering what height/inseam you guys riding the 429c are. I am about to order a frame and can't decide between L and XL
    No dealers anywhere near me to test.
    my height is 6'2.5" in socks and inseam measurement to sit bones is 36"

    I always seem to end up on XL frames for comfort but it sounds like these frames run large so any insight from those who may have had to face this question would be a great help.

    Should add that I will be wanting to make sure the bars are at or above the seat for comfort as well.

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    You will need an XL !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PEIGUY View Post
    Wondering what height/inseam you guys riding the 429c are. I am about to order a frame and can't decide between L and XL
    No dealers anywhere near me to test.
    my height is 6'2.5" in socks and inseam measurement to sit bones is 36"

    I always seem to end up on XL frames for comfort but it sounds like these frames run large so any insight from those who may have had to face this question would be a great help.

    Should add that I will be wanting to make sure the bars are at or above the seat for comfort as well.
    It all depends on your preferred riding position. I run a L sized 429 C with 85 cm stem slammed and I'm a bit taller than you.

    In an optimal world I would prefer a bit more on the reach/TT- section so I would be able to ride with a shorter stem but XL 429 C is way too big for my taste as I don't like the XC-lying-on-the-bars- type riding position and also I want to have bars as low as possible.

    Then again if you prefer that bars should be pretty high then XL could be your choice since the head tube on the XL is quite tall...

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    I getting the large 429sl and I'm 5'10. I have 31" inseam, but have long torso and arms. I will probably go 50-60mm stem. Right now I have med. 429c with 90mm stem, 740 bars. I think the large with short stem, will be the way to go for me. Low seat height so I will be in the bike with the Pike fork at 120mm.

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    Looking/considering a 429c
    Having in 20 plus yrs of riding never owned FS I want to make a decent choice.

    Reason for not going FS thus far has been the added maintenance since I ride 5-7 days a week and their extra weight. I also have an insane issue with noisy bikes and every FS I've been around creaks constantly!

    Not worried much about weight now but am I justified about maintenance and creaking pivots?
    Should I just go with a carbon HT like the LES?

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    429c carbon thread

    I'm 250lbs and mine is quiet. If you live and ride in a four season environment bearings need replacement about once a year.


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    I live in four season climate, I have never had a single problem with noise or bearings. I ride 4 days/week even during winter. I do rotate the bearings with a drill since the bearings never really get rotated on their own about every 6 months. All my bearings are in great shape. I think Pivot makes one of the quietest FS bikes out there.

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    I live in a 2 season climate... Dusty and really dusty. Never had any issues with 'modern' FS pivots creaking. You do need to keep them clean and greased tho...

    Most of my creaks come from the drivetrain and IMO a FS bike is harder on drivetrain b/c of chain growth and due to it being FS they tend to get ridden harder.

    Really depends on the terrain you ride. If a hard tail is sufficient then you can save some coin. HT will always require less maintenance. However, a FS is much more fun to ride and will improve your technical prowess.

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    the creaks on my AL 429 were never the pivots.
    the derailleur hanger, the rear skewer, the seatpost and a pedal yes all those at various times, but not the pivots.

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    Built this up as I finally got the wheels. Waited 2 months for them... Anyway, the wheel decals will change as I will get the ones I ACTUALLY ordered. And when I decide on bar width/rise/bend I'll order one in carbon.

    Fork: RS Reba 120mm
    Wheels: NOX Skyline 29
    Brakes: Guide R with Shimano Ice-tech rotors @160mm
    Shifter& Rear der.: Shimano XTR M9000
    Cassette: SRAM X01
    Cranks: SRAM XX1
    Chain: SRAM X1
    Seatpost: Rotor SP-1 (-> LEV on order)
    Saddle: WTB Devo Carbon
    Handlebar: Ritchey Trail 2x 740mm (great for experimenting)
    Stem: RaceFace Ride 60mm
    Front tyre: Specialized Ground Control 2,3" (707g)
    Rear tyre: Specialized Fast Trak Ctrl 2,2" (668g)

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    Weight with pedals: 11.2kg (24.9lbs)
    in the build pictured (incl. pedals). I call this build "The best of both worlds". Whether it be Shimano&SRAM or Pivot&Specialized, you decide FYI, I also own a Specialized, which I may keep for experimenting with. Didn't cut rear brake hose yet as I may swap brakes for SLX's from another bike if these are not up to the task.

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    After yesterdays ride as I finally got to know the bike a bit better I can say three things:

    -Will keep the Guide brakes AND Shimano rotors (160mm Shimano Ice-Tech gives better power than 180mm SRAM Centerline, strange....)

    -The Descend mode on the shock is NOT good for descending, blows through the travel too easily, its better suited for slow speed trail-riding. The Trail-setting gives a lot more support (and speed) on fast and rough sections. (they've noticed this themselves as they erased the CTD nomenclature on the new DPS shock)

    -This is the closest I've gotten to the superbike of my dreams, 10mm more travel in both ends and 68.5 degree angle up front while keeping the same BB height and reach and I would be there.

    So please Pivot, release the 429 EVO! If I just put a 120-130mm PIKE on this it will mess up the BB height and shorten the reach which would make it great on downhills but would be awkward in other situations. Anyone have an angleset on their 429c? that would compensate for a bit longer fork... And the stack height would be quite the same as with Pivots headset.
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    Nice build... I'm at 25.5 but with dropper post. I've got lighter tires tho so you may have me beat in any case.
    Quote Originally Posted by _tarzan View Post
    Built this up as I finally got the wheels. Waited 2 months for them... Anyway, the wheel decals will change as I will get the ones I ACTUALLY ordered. And when I decide on bar width/rise/bend I'll order one in carbon.

    Fork: RS Reba 120mm
    Wheels: NOX Skyline 29
    Brakes: Guide R with Shimano Ice-tech rotors @160mm
    Shifter& Rear der.: Shimano XTR M9000
    Cassette: SRAM X01
    Cranks: SRAM XX1
    Chain: SRAM X1
    Seatpost: Rotor SP-1 (-> LEV on order)
    Saddle: WTB Devo Carbon
    Handlebar: Ritchey Trail 2x 740mm (great for experimenting)
    Stem: RaceFace Ride 60mm
    Front tyre: Specialized Ground Control 2,3" (707g)
    Rear tyre: Specialized Fast Trak Ctrl 2,2" (668g)

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    in the build pictured (incl. pedals). I call this build "The best of both worlds". Whether it be Shimano&SRAM or Pivot&Specialized, you decide FYI, I also own a Specialized, which I may keep for experimenting with. Didn't cut rear brake hose yet as I may swap brakes for SLX's from another bike if these are not up to the task.
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    You will need an XL !!
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    My new used bike.

    2014 Pivot 429C Team Green 120mm Fox Factory Fork CTD
    Full Shimano XT build, XTR Rear Derailleur with One up RADR Cage
    Shimano XT Crank 1X10 with Wolftooth 30T and a 42T Giant Cog
    Shimano XT pedals
    Rockshox Reverb Dropper post
    DT Swiss 350 hubs W/ competition straight pull spokes and lightbicycle carbon rims 30mm wide.
    Race Face Atlas 50mm Stem
    Easton Havoc Carbon 750mm w/Esi chunk grips
    Maxxis Ardent 2.25 front and rear

    I love this bike. I came from a Pivot mach 5.7X0 aluminum. This bike feels like it was made for me. For some strange reason I'm able to ride the 429C harder than the 5.7 though its 50mm less travel.

    I tore this bike apart when I bought it used 1 month ago. I cleaned out all the bearings and packed them with grease. Cleaned, greased and torqued all pivots and components to their recommended torques. Flushed out the brakes. I even took the jockey wheels off the derailleur and packed those too. The fork and shock got new seals and oil as well. It feels like a new bike.
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    i think it's well known that early versions of M429c's shock is clumsy, there's almost no or really have no difference between the 3 CTD settings. (mine is early 2013)

    since my shock is due for servicing after more than 2years, i include that issue on the service form. after 9 working days, i got my shock again & they wrote what they've done.
    *replaced inter & external BV (i think it should be Boost Valve)
    *rebuilt the seals
    *oil

    and now, i can really feel the difference in each CT&D and even the 3 Trail adjust settings.

    i paid $140 singapore (~$100 us)...429c carbon thread-imageuploadedbytapatalk1431959757.422934.jpg
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    guys, how much of a difference does that 1/2 lb make on the 429c vs the 429sl? I can save some serious cash if I go for the older frame?

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    Dude it's a half pound, that's the difference. What do you value more cash or weight? I would say though that the sl probably has better resale value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adim_X View Post
    Dude it's a half pound, that's the difference. What do you value more cash or weight? I would say though that the sl probably has better resale value.
    I have had both the 429c and now the 429sl, they ride the same. 1/2 pound is a 1/2 pound though. The SL also looks better and has better/cleaner cable routing. They say it's also stiffer than the C while making it lighter. Either way your getting a great bike, I can not believe how many people around me are buying Pivot bike now. The 429 can do it all!!

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    If I were doing Di2 then I would do the SL. Otherwise, the standard 429c is the way to go. Plus.. green is fastest.

    Would rather save 1/2 lb on wheels over a frame anyday of the week anyways.
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    I'm planning on upgrading to carbon rims on my 429C, & trying to find info on the widest wheel/tire set I can run. I've got plenty of clearance on stock rims for Conti MK 2.4" front & back, & the combination of traction & ride quality suit my riding style on New England terrain. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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    I run 30mm carbon rims and 2.1 tires on my SL because it's an XC/race-bike. If I was going to use it for all-around duty, I would maybe go 2.2, maaybee a 2.3 front, but not much wider, because one big advantage of the bike is it's light and efficient. When built up like this, you can just stand up and "go" from a dig so easily and rocket forward. Putting heavy tires and wheels on the bike will significantly decrease this and at some point, it will be an indicator that you need more bike than just a 100mm racing rig. You'll negate a lot of the benefit of having a 100mm XC bike. I get a nice profile for the tires with the 30mm rims, but going wider would make the rims more vulnerable to rocks and debris and screw up the tire profile as far as where the tread contacts the ground. I can see going a little wider on rims/tires, but not much.

    I may just not be with the times, but I think there's a "sweet spot" for a particular bike, it's intended terrain, the wheel size, the tire size, as far as rim width is concerned. You can easily buy wider stuff these days, and heck, I have two fat-bike wheelsets at 65 and 90mm, but I'm also not impressed with fatbike acceleration and handling in the summer, even DH tires on my Enduro/AM 29er were noticeably sluggish and a bear to ride on a big long epic all-day ride, as compared to my normal ~2.3s with normal casings. The old 19mm aluminum rims were just kind of ridiculously skinny and it is good that we have wider rims these days. Some of the aluminum offerings have come a good ways in this area, now wider and with better tubeless interfaces (but not as good as carbon in these respects). Some of them are unacceptably weak due to using less material to compete with carbon weights. Going ginormous wide with carbon though has marginal gains IMO or negative gains past a certain point, which again I believe depends on the bike, intended usage of that bike, etc.
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    I run Ibis 941s on my 429c and about the widest I can go is 2.35 on Nobby Nics and Racing Ralphs etc. Might be able to go a 2.3 with Maxxis Ikons, HRIIs and Minions but that's just a guess. Hopefully someone's tried and can give feedback. I love the wide rims but they do limit tire and tread profile, to the point of hampering cornering and other trail feedback. Hope this helps...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jon Shein View Post
    I'm planning on upgrading to carbon rims on my 429C, & trying to find info on the widest wheel/tire set I can run. I've got plenty of clearance on stock rims for Conti MK 2.4" front & back, & the combination of traction & ride quality suit my riding style on New England terrain. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
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    I just built up this 429c. My second one. This one is a 2014 model that i bought NOS (New Old Stock).

    Has anyone tried a Cane Creek angleset on this frame? The 1.5deg would get the frame to a 67.8 deg head tube which might be nice with a 51mm offset fork. Thoughts?

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