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    Well, I can assure you I'm running a 22t on my xt cranks, it worked with both the 2x setup and now the 3x with bash ring. The small xt chainring is standard, it has no ramps or anything but technically they don't make a 22t for the drivetrain so I bought one from REI that was from an older model year drivetrain. I think the issue you may run into if you want the shimano rings with the ramps is that they don't make many sizes, I believe the 3 ring setup uses a 24-32-42 and the dual ring setup uses 24-38. I don't believe the XT crankset uses any sort of odd spacing or unique things so you could probably use any chainrings if you forego the ramped shimano ones.

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    Sure thing, I think most all mtb people want their comrades to enjoy the sport and get the right bike for themselves. If you're coming off a hard tail I think you'll love something full suspension if you have bumpy trails, conversely it makes me laugh because all the guys I ride with have had full suss for years and they keep saying their next bike may be a lightweight hard tail. I guess there is something to be said for change. I too felt I was outgrowing my old bike, not only did ripping down rocky trails rattle my eyeballs so much I couldn't focus (literally true) but every time I went out I was breaking spokes, my custom built titanium spoked wheels were literally falling apart. One thing to note if you demo bikes, especially full suspension ones is that setup can make all the difference in the world! Something as minor as 3 psi different tire pressure can make a bike ride so much better or worse it really pays to note how things are setup. After following the recommendations on shock and tire pressures for my weight I wound up setting things up for someone who weighs about 50 lbs less than I do. I'm around 200lbs but I run shock pressures of 75 front and about 160 rear and my tires pressures are 19psi front 25psi rear using large volume tires and 35mm wide rims. Everyone who's ridden my bike (we trade usually for the day) loved it and thought it rode like a cadillac which I think can be attributed as much to my setup as the bike itself. Even lowering my handlebars by one spacer made a huge difference in steering. Just something to keep in mind when you demo different bikes, if I had to do it again I'd make sure I had a pressure gauge, tire pump and shock pump all in my bike bag so I could play with those things on the trail. There's a video of the bike I demo'd on my youtube channel as well as some other vids shot on my old hard tail bike.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm

    Couldn't decide on a carbon wheel set so it's the Mavic SLR 29's for now. SRAM XX-1 with Magura MT-8s. It's only a week old so I'm still adjusting to it but it's fantastic so far!

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    Bravo on your new steed, and taking your time building it up. And for recognizing how much impact a wheel upgrade will have on your bike.

    Numerous choices and more coming no doubt...what/how you ride, and budget will guide you.

    I have the Enve AMs on my 429c. Partly for bikepacking, but meanwhile, it makes a great trail rim. Made in USA is cool, but we pay for it obviously. If I had to do it again today I would look at Derby and Light Bicycle along with Enve. I would not shy away from a great deal on Speci Roval Carbons (with DTS internals), unless I was hell bent on a trail-ish build. Easton Haven got a bad rap for failing hubs; I'm sure they changed things up.

    For sheer price point you probably can't beat LB. They have a new optional wider rim, not advertised on their site AFAIK. You could have them build with Hope (or your supplied) hubs or just get the hoops.

    You'll be blown away, I'm sure. I was completely blown by the ride coming from alloy rims on a 429a. Completely different. Cheers!

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    Bravo on your new steed, and taking your time building it up. And for recognizing how much impact a wheel upgrade will have on your bike.

    I have the Enve AMs on my 429c. Partly for bike packing, but meanwhile, it makes a great trail rim. Made in USA is cool, but we pay for it obviously. If I had to do it again today I would look at Derby and Light Bicycle along with Enve. I would not shy away from a great deal on Speci Roval Carbons (with DTS internals), unless I was hell bent on a trail-ish build. Easton Haven got a bad rap for failing hubs; I'm sure they changed things up.

    For sheer price point you probably can't beat LB. They have a new optional wider rim, not advertised on their site AFAIK. You could have them build with Hope (or your supplied) hubs or just get the hoops.

    You'll be blown away, I'm sure. I was completely blown by the ride coming from alloy rims on a 429a. Completely different. Cheers!
    Thank you She & I! Excellent information. Originally, I was going with the Easton EC90's but then after reading all of the issues people were having with them, I decided to take a step back and research them before choosing incorrectly. Sure they have a two year no-questions-asked warranty but I would rather spend my time on the trail instead of on the phone.

    I've really been eyeing the Enve XC's with custom decals as, honestly, they're a really smokin' match up with the grey/red 429 and I haven't heard any complaints with them (yet).
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    I don't know anything about Derby or Light Bicycle... I'll look into those shortly. Thank you!
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    wil, have a look in the 27.5/650b forum. That's where Derby rims were introduced here and where there continues to be a lot of discussion in multiple threads about carbon wheelsets.

    If you can pony up for Enve, good on ya. Some have been broken, but I think mortals with decent travel would have a tough time breaking one. Be sure your spare tube has a long (50+ mm?) stem, as the rim channel is deep and won't work with shorties.

    BTW, I have the DTS 240 hubs with the standard ratchet and love them. Nice and quiet.

    Cheers and happy trails...

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    429c carbon thread

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    wil, have a look in the 27.5/650b forum. That's where Derby rims were introduced here and where there continues to be a lot of discussion in multiple threads about carbon wheelsets.

    If you can pony up for Enve, good on ya. Some have been broken, but I think mortals with decent travel would have a tough time breaking one. Be sure your spare tube has a long (50+ mm?) stem, as the rim channel is deep and won't work with shorties.

    BTW, I have the DTS 240 hubs with the standard ratchet and love them. Nice and quiet.

    Cheers and happy trails...
    Will do. Thanks for the information!

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    Hey EJ,

    Get the LBS to flip that shock around the other way so you can fit a water bottle in there. It works exactly the same... just gives you more clearance. I'm really not sure why Pivot doesn't put it in there that was by default.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wilbloodworth View Post
    Couldn't decide on a carbon wheel set so it's the Mavic SLR 29's for now. SRAM XX-1 with Magura MT-8s. It's only a week old so I'm still adjusting to it but it's fantastic so far!

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    Having ridden Enve, Roval, and the NOX composites, at this point my recommendation is easy.

    Call dave at speeddreams. pick your hubs of choice and have dave build up some Nox composites for you.

    Wide, light, seal up great, easy to true if ever needed.

    Love them thus far.

    With XX1, hadley or DT swiss hubs are nice options.
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    Wow! This frame is insanely stiff. I guess my Jet RDO was a wet noodle. I couldn't detect a ounce of flex anywhere. On par with Niner on its pedal efficiency and climbing ability. The rear was solid when pedaling and felt bottomless in the rough. Very impressed Pivot.
    Only down side was the 350gram weight increase, but gain substantial stiffness. My change some odds and ends to get my weight back down. I'm a weight weenie.
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    EJ, what was on the frame when you weighed it? Looks like no bb, rear axle, or headset? Awesome build.

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    Well after a year of saving I am finally the owner of a 429 Carbon. I just took it out on my first ride with it and all I can say is what a great bike. The reviews and what you read barely do it justice. This bike will make you a feel like a better rider. It climbs, descends and everything in between amazingly well. I am coming off a hard tail and was worried about pedal bob but not on this bike. I cannot wait to put some more miles on it. I will put up a pic as soon as I figure out how.

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    429C + Pike

    Just put a Pike on my recently built up med 429C. Looked everywhere for the RS 120mm air shafts but could only find a 130. Didn't have the right oil to do the conversion so I left it at 140. Might keep it there. Running 35% sag and an extra bottomless token. The thing rips on the downs. Probably lose a bit on the climbs, but I think I could get used to it. 130mm might be the sweet spot, but I like a slacker bike and my local trails are either really rocky or they have a lot of rocks.

    Comes in at 27lbs even with the Pike, KS dropper, Easton EC70 wheels, Maxxis Ardent / High Roller (not light), 1x10, and a healthy coating of drought induced SoCal moon dust.
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    Thanks for posting your experience and details, BD. That's just the kind of info I've been hoping for.

    I'm thinking White Bros Loop (or something plush with a suitable A-C measure) @ 130 or 140 with a 1.5° Angleset. I'm running Enve AMs already, so with a 70mm stem I could have a serious trail shredder. I think so, anyway; it sounds like your findings might confirm it.

    Cheers,

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    PS: Curious to know what your test trails were. I'm in SoCal also

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    429c carbon thread-img_0038_zpsdabbd4aa.jpgThank you Pivot for rescuing me from Specialized. Slavery is no way to go through life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by She&I View Post
    Thanks for posting your experience and details, BD. That's just the kind of info I've been hoping for.

    I'm thinking White Bros Loop (or something plush with a suitable A-C measure) @ 130 or 140 with a 1.5° Angleset. I'm running Enve AMs already, so with a 70mm stem I could have a serious trail shredder. I think so, anyway; it sounds like your findings might confirm it.

    Cheers,

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    Hey Mike, I ride mostly N of San Diego.. La Costa / Carlsbad.

    Went to a 70mm stem and xx1. Pretty much dialed. Might be no need to drop to 130 or less. Getting PR's up and down with only a few rides ~60 miles. She's down to 26.7 lbs after swapping pedals.

    I measured the setup with the Fox 120 right at the 69.3 on my iphone app and just under 68 with the Pike. Not sure you really need the angleset.

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    Anyone with long term bearing issues on their Pivots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    Anyone with long term bearing issues on their Pivots?
    just bring back to your LBS. it's a known issue & Pivot is acknowledging it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Damage View Post
    Just put a Pike on my recently built up med 429C. Looked everywhere for the RS 120mm air shafts but could only find a 130. Didn't have the right oil to do the conversion so I left it at 140. Might keep it there. Running 35% sag and an extra bottomless token. The thing rips on the downs. Probably lose a bit on the climbs, but I think I could get used to it. 130mm might be the sweet spot, but I like a slacker bike and my local trails are either really rocky or they have a lot of rocks.

    Comes in at 27lbs even with the Pike, KS dropper, Easton EC70 wheels, Maxxis Ardent / High Roller (not light), 1x10, and a healthy coating of drought induced SoCal moon dust.
    You have been ripping on it compared to your Bronson!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpjumper61 View Post
    Thank you Pivot for rescuing me from Specialized. Slavery is no way to go through life...
    +1 - one of the greatest kindnesses one MTBR can bestow on another...

    BTW - nice looking bike. I dig the green.
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    Heres my Mach 429c. Im thinking about putting a 140mm fork on it this year. Never thought Id ride a 29er, let alone love one. Thanks Pivot for making a rad bike!

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    BD - first of all - your setup looks great & the black stanchions on the Pike look even better than I would have guessed with the 429 frame.

    Can you add any insight about the ride balance / characteristics of the 140/100 setup you're running? I'm very psyched about the 429, but am leaning towards the Ripley due to greater overall travel, particularly the rear. My prior bike (just stolen (moment of silence)) was a Mach 5 & I felt invincible on downhills with it, which I've chalked up to the healthy rear travel & definitely not my technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffme View Post
    Can you add any insight about the ride balance / characteristics of the 140/100 setup you're running?
    I'm also more than curious about ride characteristics. BD, it sounds extremely positive so far, thanks. I admit I have concern about getting to 130mm travel if need be, but would like to experience the fishfork buzz. Curious about BB height. Thanks for blazing, and for all info, BD.

    Sorry to hear about your M5, jeffme. Silver lining, I hope...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffme View Post
    BD - first of all - your setup looks great & the black stanchions on the Pike look even better than I would have guessed with the 429 frame.

    Can you add any insight about the ride balance / characteristics of the 140/100 setup you're running? I'm very psyched about the 429, but am leaning towards the Ripley due to greater overall travel, particularly the rear. My prior bike (just stolen (moment of silence)) was a Mach 5 & I felt invincible on downhills with it, which I've chalked up to the healthy rear travel & definitely not my technique.
    I have often wondered what another 20mm would do to this bike (hoping they come out with a 529... haha). I just got the rear shock pushed and that has helped the 'balance'. I am certainly more tentative on this bike on some of the steeper rocky stuff vs a 150 - 160 travel rig. Before tuning the rear shock it felt a bit harsh, but now I'm hitting all the stuff my courage allows (2-3' ers) and don't feel the need for much more rear travel. Still haven't got around to dropping the fork to 130, but I'm still getting PR's up and down so its hard to want to change too much. I'd say if you want more of a xc capable trail machine go 130 while 140 makes more of an aggressive trail bike. Keep in mind that the 429 IMO is still a trail bike at it's most agressive build and I don't plan to take it down some of the bigger DH runs around.

    Currently working on an HD build to be my all mtn ride. Once that is done then I will likely drop the fork travel and put some lighter rubber to make it more of an all day rider and potential racer (if I can find the motivation to race XC)

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    429c carbon thread-image.jpgMoving from a Yeti 575 to the Pivot 429C . What an amazing change. I love this incredible ride. I demoed the Pivot a few months ago and realized quickly it was going to be an expensive day. However, now that I have pulled the trigger and have 60 miles on it, I wish I would have been on it a year ago. This bike accelerates like a hard tail. I am just as comfortable on the downhills as I was on the 575 only now I climb much faster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rduck View Post
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ID:	877076Moving from a Yeti 575 to the Pivot 429C . What an amazing change. I love this incredible ride. I demoed the Pivot a few months ago and realized quickly it was going to be an expensive day. However, now that I have pulled the trigger and have 60 miles on it, I wish I would have been on it a year ago. This bike accelerates like a hard tail. I am just as comfortable on the downhills as I was on the 575 only now I climb much faster.

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    Conti Mountain king protection front

    26.4 Lb

    Nicely done. Added bonus is you picked the fastest color. There is no question the green is the fastest.
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    Yes , Green is fast!!

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    Actually Green looks really fast but those of us on black are actually going faster because black is the absence of color and it's just that you can't see us

    Oh and really nice ride... Welcome to the club

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    Can anyone confirm that the green is 300 grams heavier due to paint thickness? When I load my bike in the back of the ute this is significant.
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    Sorry - wrong thread!
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    I'm planning on upgrading to a new FS 29er this season and the Mach 429 Carbon is at the top of my list after short test rides on the street (still snow-covered trails in Metro-West Boston). If the on-trail demo lives up to expectations, the decision will come down to the build. This is definitely the high-end for my budget, so I'm curious about the XT/SLX build - is it worth the upgrade to the higher-spec builds? To put it another way, what are the benefits (aside from weight reduction) that come with XT, XT/XTR builds?

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    Get the XT/SLX build and slap some Light Bicyle carbon rims on the wheels with Supercomp spokes. I was going to go this route, but I wanted 32h rims and a 35mm Pike. Just paid for a 429C frame today. I got the oh so slow black, but I am rethinking that decision.

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    what kind of doc are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    Get the XT/SLX build and slap some Light Bicyle carbon rims on the wheels with Supercomp spokes. I was going to go this route, but I wanted 32h rims and a 35mm Pike. Just paid for a 429C frame today. I got the oh so slow black, but I am rethinking that decision.
    You know better, the green is definitely faster.

    Also agree on the build advice for others... given a budget I would make sure that I got a nice fork. But given the choice of say X9 or SLX and possibly carbon wheels (say nox or derby with a reasonable hub) or XTR or XX1 and alloy wheels, I'd get the carbon hoops all day long instead, this advice goes up exponentially as a riders weight goes up.
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    Nice to see a few 429C post... remember when we were the hot kids... now its Mach 6 everywhere...not that it doesn't deserve it.

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    green is definitely faster!

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    I'm thinking of upgrading my aging Anthem x 29er with either a Mach 429c or a Ripley.
    If i rum my Ax 29er with plenty of sag it feels very deep for 100mm of travel but the 120mm of the Ripley is tempting.
    On the 429c Is there 1/8" plus clearance between the links and/ or shock and seat tube to squeeze in a 7.5 x 2 shock with offset bushings to reduce i to i ?. Getting that extra travel is tempting.

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    Just came off maiden voyage. Would like to post my first impressions with regard to X01 drive train. For some history I have a second 429C with full XTR in a 2 X 10 38/24. My new 429C w/X01 bike pictured below is stock except the seatpost (P6 carbon) saddle (Henge Comp) and brakes (XTR in lieu of stock XO).

    The short and sweet version is for everyone to look for my XTR drivetain and shifters from my first 429c on e-bay in the near future once I find a free hub that will take an X01 cassette.

    So here is what I noted in no particular order:

    1. I got over logs clean that my 38T ring would hit. Nice.

    2. I was apprehensive like probably a lot of folks as to whether the granny would be low enough. Just forget about it, it is plenty low enough to get up steep climbs with the stock 30T front ring. I got up everything that I got up before on the 2 X 10 and at the same speed if not faster.

    3. Finding the right gear. Yes, the correct gear is there, just click it and you are good. Not as much back and forth as the 2 X 10.

    4. I don't miss the FD!!!! Be honest, sometimes you don't hit that FD shifter just right and you get a 'grinder'.

    5. Most important of all. CRANK SPIN RESISTANCE. I have my own way of testing this that is probably nuts but hear me out. I put my bike on the stand and select gears where the chain lines up and straight as possible between the font ring and cassette, usually the 3rd or 4th ring down from the largest in the rear and the outer ring in the front. In the case of the X01 I think it was the 4 gear down from the top ring.

    I then position the crank arm located on the drive side to the 12:00 position (note that it does not matter if it is 12:00am or 12:00pm...sorry, just trying to be funny). Then I aggressively thrust the crank backwards letting go around the 8:00 position and let it spin to a stop. This X01 set the record by rotating a full 2 rotations plus another 3/4. 2-3/4! All my other cranks from various sundry bikes including my 429C with 2X10 XTR were lucky to get a full 2 rotations. Not to mention when you cross-chained the 2X10, as you would expect it got worse.

    The X01 seems to provide the least cross chain resistance by far. Why? I suppose because there is less of an angle when cross-chaining due to the fact that there is only one front ring and its centered in relation to the cassette. Obviously this is not a scientific test since the angular velocity of your backwards spinning of the crank can vary some but some of us played baseball and know what we are doing so I am going with it!



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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    Yes,

    Like a few here I am hearing the same creaks and ticks. Started about the 500 mile mark.

    Pulled a few things apart and cleaned and lubed. Helped a bit, but came back.

    What I have found is that when I wash the bike and have it clean, it's dead quiet for a few rides until it gets dirty again. So, at this point I'm assuming it's dirt, or dust, something that gets in there and creaks.

    Also thought it could be the cable ferruels on the rear chainstay for the rear der. Light coat of grease on them.

    Ultimately, it's something dirty or not lubed. I don't think it's structural, but also will admit it can be annoying. I would love to figure out the root cause as thus far I've thought it was the rear wheel dropouts, possibly the linkage, or even my seatpost.

    I of course didn't just try one thing at a time to narrow it down.

    I cleaned it before a 4 day trip to Colorado. Dead silent day one and two. Day two was a 5 hour epic with lots of crapola. Next day it creaked like a MOFO (I cursed the creaking a few times, but absolved it for the great ride).

    Got it home, washed it off this AM - Dead silent again.

    It's my only issue thus far as I love how the bike rides. But, with 4 kids I don't have time like I used to to try and really narrow it down to the root cause - so if someone figures it out - let us know!


    So, this 429c is one of the rare bikes I like so much that I continuously lived with any creaks and ticks because the ride quality is so damn good. But, figured an update again at some point was worthwhile.

    Took my bike out to SoCal for some riding the end of March. Fitness aside had a great time (long winter this year, some fatbiking and trainer time helped but I digress)

    Bike was honestly creaking like mad on any climbs, but I really didn't believe it was the frame. The clicks were gone after Sram replaced my rear XX1 der.

    Thought it might be the cassette or the fork crown (though it didn't seem like the fork crown this time) Sram actually replaced the rear cassette under warranty, and Fox did diagnose a slightly creaky crown - replacing it also. Sram mentioned to me that they have had some creaky cassettes (strange but true).

    Also pulled my headset cups to re-grease and reinstall.

    So basically did a rebuild, as my rear shock went in also and Fox overhauled due to some caviation...

    Well, at least as of today my bike is dead silent again. Can't really tell you what it was as I just wanted to get it rebuilt as we can finally start riding a bit here in Michigan again.

    But, XX1 is really new technology still so some growing pains are to be expected I suppose (and when you are climbing in a 28 x 42 gear that is a ton of torque on the cassette). Fox and creaky crowns... well seems to be once a season.

    Would like to try a different fork, but budgets right now dictate I stick with where I am for a bit.

    Great frame though, just fantastic.
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    If mine creaks continuously on up hills its usually the rear axle. It needs lots of lube. I think a little moisture in there quiets it until it drys out. My cassette was loose once. TIME pedals were creaking - I'm done with TIME. On my alloy it was usually its the seat post, followed by the saddle. It was never the BB, shimano or sram, although I always fixate upon it being the culprit. The rear derraileur needed tigthening a couple of times. My freind's and mine 429c makes mild creaking noise from the cables.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    If mine creaks continuously on up hills its usually the rear axle. It needs lots of lube.
    Stupid question... where exactly are you lubing on the frame contact point / dropouts?

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    I lube along the length of the axle. Also the axle on my carbon tends to loosen and creak if I don't crank it very tight.


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    Thanks... another question.

    Where / what type replacement derailleur hanger. I want to have a spare.

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    OK answering my own question

    I assume this is correct... I have direct mount Shimano XTR Shadow Der

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    New 429 Carbon Build makes me a believer.

    Hi Guy's, I received my 429 C last Tuesday and spent a bit of time putting it together completing the build yesterday.

    The bike is an Australian build XT/XTR so comes with Stans ArchEX wheels XTR Rear Mech and XT for the rest of the drivetrain and XT Trail brakes. By a bit of luck it actually came with a Stans Crest wheelset. I had a few bits of bling which was to come off my trusty Mach 5 to add to the 429 C when I got it. The build is as follows.

    429 C medium size.
    Stans Crest wheelset with 2.2 Maxxis Ikon Rear tyre and 2.2 Racing Ralph front.
    XTR Trail Brakes with 180mm front and 160mm rear rotors.
    XTR rear Mech.
    XT shifters and front Mech.
    XT 11/36 Cassette.
    SLK 90mm Stem.
    Pivot 740 Carbon Bars.
    Syntace P6 Carbon Hiflex seatpost.
    Prologo Ti Rail Seat.
    Weight 11.9kg on digital fishing scales.

    Had my first ride on it today with a splitting headache but I wasn't going to miss the chance to take it out as it was nice weather, around 14 degrees C. My first ride on a 29er and so far so good.

    Love the way it corners and the more planted feeling it seems to give. Must be the lower bottom bracket. It seems more of a carver when cornering compared to the Mach 5. I rode my local loop which comprises rocky sandstone trails with loose sandy soil between in the lower blue mountains west of Sydney.

    Technical climbing may be a little better than the Mach 5 and I could definitely feel the 4 odd years of development in the suspension, Mach 5 being 2008 and the 429 C 2012 design. Night ride tomorrow night.


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    Vinno - I'm curious as to how a HiFlex post feels on a FS bike.

    My current build for a clyde

    Supermax fork
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    Wolf Tooth chain ring
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    2.25 Nobby Nic SS front
    2.25 Rocket Ron SS rear

    I have a Reverb, but i didn't use it much and it broke twice with less than twenty total rides.

    The green paint chips very easily, so it you fall in the rocks you're going to get paint damage, but it's a mountain bike.

    With a stiff fork, this bike chews up rock gardens. Granted a longer travel bike can do so with less drama, but they tend not to squirt up less techy hills and cruise the flats like this bike. A TNT Gato on the front makes this bike seem even more invincible. I worry I'm going to blow out my Nobby Nic at times.

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    Don I can't really tell if the post does anything, I really bought it as I wanted to add some carbon bling and they are reportedly bomb proof.

    I have bought some Lizard Skin frame wrap to protect the frame, it's a good Aussie product but I need to get off the bike now as it arrived after my first ride. Work will hold me up.

    I'm happy with how mine tracks as my Mach 5 still has the original 2008 Fox Talas 140mm quick release fork so I find the fork on my 429C plenty stiff. A lot of rocks where I ride so the through axle really helps here. Had to concentrate on not getting too confident as the bike just seems so fast on downhills. So far it seems very flickable and light in the rear. I hope the wheels last as they are going to cop it.

    If I could pick the difference between the 5 and the 429C I would say the main one is suspension performance. The wheel size didn't make a difference to my riding style but maybe that is because I already ride a DW bike. If I could compare it to anything I would say it fells a bit like a mates 5.7C with that light feeling rear. Hope I can still ride the 5 once I rebuild it I think I will be replacing the forks on it with some stiffer ones soon.

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    What are y'all riding tire wise on your 429's. Mine came with Slant Sixes, changed out the front right away to a 2.2 Nobby Nic. That's worked out pretty well, but I do notice the rear end slipping on steep loose climbs more than I'm used to. Thinking of swapping the somewhat worn NN to the back and getting something new and beefier for the front.

    Any recommendations? I do ride a big mix of trails, things are tacky and fast now but will be getting looser and drier as summer really kicks in.

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    Dry - XR3 Team/RaRa SS
    Damp/dry - NN SS/RoRo SS
    Winter/rocks - Gato TNT/GC UST GRID

    If forced to budget
    Summer - Goma 2.25 TNT/Saguaro TNT
    Winter - Gato TNT/Goma 2.25 TNT

    The Schwalbe 29er SS tires are reliable and light. They are stupid expensive even with discounting if you ride in rocks. Geax is priced well, super tough, wear well, but heavy. I like the Continental tread designs but I tend to pinch flat the Protection versions. Spec and Bontrager have good tires but I can get Schwalbes at the same or lower price.


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    Maxxis ikon in a 2.35. Fast rolling center as 2.20 but with tall more aggressive sides knobs


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    Interested to see what suspension PSI you guys are riding with your M429Cs. I have the Fox Float 32 Kashima setup (120 front, 100 rear) and am 225 kitted and have my shock set at 70 front and 160 back to soften the ride up otherwise I just feel like I am skipping over rocks vs. Absorbing them. Rebound is set in the middle both front and back. Believe it or not, that puts sag around 30 percent for me. Ride in SoCal mostly XC but there are some gnarly trail routes I also take. Don't do any drops over 12 inches and don't get much air either.

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    Forgot - currently running Specialized S-works Purgatory front 25 psi and Ground Control rear 30 psi. Tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SDMTB'er View Post
    Interested to see what suspension PSI you guys are riding with your M429Cs. I have the Fox Float 32 Kashima setup (120 front, 100 rear) and am 225 kitted and have my shock set at 70 front and 160 back to soften the ride up otherwise I just feel like I am skipping over rocks vs. Absorbing them. Rebound is set in the middle both front and back. Believe it or not, that puts sag around 30 percent for me. Ride in SoCal mostly XC but there are some gnarly trail routes I also take. Don't do any drops over 12 inches and don't get much air either.
    I'm about 215 with full gear and a Camelback and I'm running 90 front (Trace RL2) and 170 back. Been thinking of trying a bit lower PSI on both ends so your numbers seem quite close. I've even got the same tyre combo so Purgatory front, Ground back. ☺

    Much better on rougher trails than RoRo SS which I usually use in the summer...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xizor1 View Post
    I'm about 215 with full gear and a Camelback and I'm running 90 front (Trace RL2) and 170 back. Been thinking of trying a bit lower PSI on both ends so your numbers seem quite close. I've even got the same tyre combo so Purgatory front, Ground back.

    Much better on rougher trails than RoRo SS which I usually use in the summer...
    Just went back to more or less factory suggestions which is 100psi front and 180 rear. The ride is stiffer but more efficient for climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejreyes6 View Post
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    Front and rear? Was thinking the Ikon would be good for a rear tire, but how's it up front in loose conditions?

    Thanks

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    Finally got my 429 C just the way I want, not a single component here that I would change. :-)



    This frame is still unbelievable, only thing that would make me consider changing it would be a longer travel version. :-D

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    I have a new 429c in Green, I also have found the green is chipping and not normal. I may need to contact Pivot about it!! The bike is incredible I love it. I use Bontrager XR3 tires 29x2.30 front and rear, they are perfect on this bike. Frame is on the heavy side but worth the weight penalty with the stiffness is provides. One great bike!! Mich. WildGripR don't compare to the XR3.
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    Hey just a reminder to those of us that are heading into 1 1/2 - 2 years...

    I was hearing some clunking down the trail and notices my XTR Shadow wasn't as tight...
    opened it up and adjusted a bit and walluh .. back to its quiet self.

    On the creak and clean front ...
    Also I took off the crank and pulled the lower pivots and cleaned them easier than I thought. 1 of the 4 bearing felt a little dry so I following a friendssuggestion , carefully used an exacto and pulled of the the little orange seal on the bearing cleaned it out with a little oil spray, pressure aired it .. .then repacked with grease.. all not too hard for this med-level wrencher.

    I am going to work my way through the pivots. Using my fancy torque wrench I got for christmas...hopefully all the bearing just need a little love, I am not at the level of pulling out and pressing in new bearing.
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    Question for you folks or Pivot as I am re-assmebling, I notice a little red on the pivots bolts can I assume that is some form of lite locktight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    Vinno - I'm curious as to how a HiFlex post feels on a FS bike.

    My current build for a clyde

    Supermax fork
    ENVE AM/Aerolite/240s wheels
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    Wolf Tooth chain ring
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    Saint front brake/180mm rotor
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    2.25 Nobby Nic SS front
    2.25 Rocket Ron SS rear

    I have a Reverb, but i didn't use it much and it broke twice with less than twenty total rides.

    The green paint chips very easily, so it you fall in the rocks you're going to get paint damage, but it's a mountain bike.

    With a stiff fork, this bike chews up rock gardens. Granted a longer travel bike can do so with less drama, but they tend not to squirt up less techy hills and cruise the flats like this bike. A TNT Gato on the front makes this bike seem even more invincible. I worry I'm going to blow out my Nobby Nic at times.

    I just took the hi flex post off of my bike as I had some creaking and popping out of it. Regardless, I put an aluminum post on it and NO question the hi flex "works". That said, I like the aluminum post better to be honest. Feels more connected to the bike.

    The hi flex on a hard tail would make a difference though, no doubt.
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    I don't know why anyone would use that post on any FS bike, makes no sense !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I don't know why anyone would use that post on any FS bike, makes no sense !!

    Well, when it's light, strong, and just sitting in the parts bin why not.

    It's a subtle effect, but I did notice it anyways. Would I order one specifically, or recommend anyone do that - no, but if you have one no big deal to use it.
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    Well reporting back to myself. The cleaning and lubing of the pivots / bearing did the trick. Silent smooth 429c. Now that I know what I am doing, I think I could do them all in under an hour. Also clutch adj help... did I say... I love my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    I don't know why anyone would use that post on any FS bike, makes no sense !!
    I wasn't worried about the flex of the post just wanted a carbon post on it. The Syntace posts have 10 Years warranty for the original owner so I figured reasonably light and strong was the way to go. Not sure there is any flex in a post of that size anyway. Also Pivot were using them a couple of years ago on their top OEM bikes so must be a decent component. All I have heard is good reviews of Syntace gear also.

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    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.
    If your riding "Trail" put the 120 on it...its really nice if you ride some rocks and rough.. I have not ever had the 100 on mine so maybe I am missing something... but I can track my buddies through the twisties... just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bvader View Post
    If your riding "Trail" put the 120 on it...its really nice if you ride some rocks and rough.. I have not ever had the 100 on mine so maybe I am missing something... but I can track my buddies through the twisties... just fine.
    I agree, only situation where a 100mm fork could be better is a steep technical climb, where getting the front end lower would be slightly advantageous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.
    I had a 120 on mine for the first year. The bike never felt right to me. I was going to sell it and tried a 100mm SID. The bike came alive. Handled way better. The only thing I lost was a little stability on big downhills with lots of roots or rocks. But its minimal. If you are more comfortable on an XC bike the 100 is the way to go.

    If I lived out west I would probably not go 100mm or even the 429 for that matter. The bike was originally designed around the 100. That is my take.

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    Well there you have it ... its definitely either a 120 or 100

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    Thanks for the replies. I guess I'm safe starting with either one, when I do build up a frame it'll depend on whether I still have the 100 fork or if I'll have sold it and bought a 120. From what I've seen the HA with a 100 would be 70.3, which is not slack but not as steep as my existing bikes. From what I'm seeing in my research, it seems a 100 is viable it would just gove the bike a more pure XC characteristic.

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    Go with the Pike fork set at 120mm, this frame needs a stiff fork. The Pike right now is the best fork on the market and will provide the stiffness this frame deserves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Go with the Pike fork set at 120mm, this frame needs a stiff fork. The Pike right now is the best fork on the market and will provide the stiffness this frame deserves.
    +1 Pike
    I built mine up on the weekend and was super impressed with the fork. Noticeably stiffer than a Fox 32/15QR and only 50gm heavier on the same scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Go with the Pike fork set at 120mm, this frame needs a stiff fork. The Pike right now is the best fork on the market and will provide the stiffness this frame deserves.
    SuperMax with carbon wheels. A clydale's dream come true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Does anyone out there run a 100mm fork on their 429C? Is it viable or will it throw the handling off? I am seriously considering carrying over some pretty nice parts to a 429C frame, but among those parts is a 100mm Fox Float Kashima fork. My riding is 'trail' I guess but I do some XC racing. I do enjoy a fun bike though that is beyond just pure XC. If the 100 fork isn't a good idea, I suppose I can always sell it and get a 120.
    I've run a Fox 32 29er std offset at 110 and 120mm.

    I've tended to like quicker handling bikes in the past, but to be honest I think I prefer the 429c at 120 actually. I wouldn't want to go longer (which is why I haven't done a pike at 120 yet... I think I would drop it to 110 to get the same crown - axle).

    But, if I could add stiffness to the front end - I would.

    The fork that interests me is the x-fusion trace, but set at 110mm possibly. Not sure how that 51mm offset would affect the bike. It's so dialed now, tough for me to justify a change (other than every single fox fork I own gets a creaky crown... and it always comes back after getting it replaced even).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Giant View Post
    I've run a Fox 32 29er std offset at 110 and 120mm.

    I've tended to like quicker handling bikes in the past, but to be honest I think I prefer the 429c at 120 actually. I wouldn't want to go longer (which is why I haven't done a pike at 120 yet... I think I would drop it to 110 to get the same crown - axle).

    But, if I could add stiffness to the front end - I would.

    The fork that interests me is the x-fusion trace, but set at 110mm possibly. Not sure how that 51mm offset would affect the bike. It's so dialed now, tough for me to justify a change (other than every single fox fork I own gets a creaky crown... and it always comes back after getting it replaced even).
    What is the a2c of the fox at 120? I've got a Trace and love it, by the way.
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    ... and if we just ... First Ride Pic

    Finally got the frame last week after a nearly 2 month wait. Promptly built it up over the weekend and took it for a ride. Used a mix of new and used parts from my old bike.

    Result as follows:

    • 429c in XL
    • Pike 120mm
    • 35mm LB Carbon rims on Hope Evo hubs
    • KS LEV 150mm dropper post
    • 3T Extendo Ltd carbon bars
    • Funn 60mm stem
    • XT drivetrain and brakes.



    Initial urban ride impressions are of super-direct and responsive feel in every direction. Pike fork is super plush and stiff in ways that I didn't even know my Fox 32s were flexy. Bike is super easy to wheelie and feels really balanced.

    If the weather holds out, first trail ride is tomorrow.

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    Any weight on your setup @abevern??

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkrw3 View Post
    Any weight on your setup ??
    According to digital bathroom scales 13.0kg +/- 0.1kg with a light coating of dust. That's about 28.7lbs in old money.

    Tyres are tubeless with 2 scoops of Stan's in each.
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    Any news on an update to the 429c colors and graphics? Seems like it should be time for a change.

    Thanks

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    No new color's in the works as per Pivot!!

    Abevern, how do like the Pike compared to the Fox 32?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    how do you like the Pike compared to the Fox 32?
    Trail time is a little limited due to seriously inclement weather but have spent a couple of hours on rough trail in addition to the initial urban ride.

    Overall impressions are that the fork absolutely suits the bike. It's like they were designed together. I haven't changed the token count - so it's very linear and has good balance with the rear shock character.

    Definitely responds to trail chatter better than either of my Fox forks (both F29 factory kashima coated w/ SKF seals and regularly serviced) and feel much less harsh on bigger hits (small drops/ fast rocks). In fact the Pikes don't feel harsh at all - I have yet to bottom them, though regularly using 80+% travel. They feel as bottomless as 120mm is ever going to feel, I think.

    As mentioned elsewhere my Pike was 50g heavier than my 100mm F29 Fox (2014 steerer/2011 lowers + internals).

    If performance doesn't degrade, and regular servicing doesn't show up endemic wear issues I think choosing a Pike is a no brainer.

    (Note that I have not had a Fox on this bike, only on my previous FS trail bike)

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    That is great to here, because I just ordered the Pike today. My shop will reduce to 120mm, I'm hoping not to feel the extra weight compared to the Fox 120mm CTD Float. My shop also say's the Pike is the perfect fork for the 429c, I can't wait. Thanks for the info!!

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    Did you go with the 46 offset, I was going to go 51mm but went with the 46 since the bike is speced that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgw7000 View Post
    Did you go with the 46 offset, I was going to go 51mm but went with the 46 since the bike is speced that way.
    Yes, standard 46mm offset. I look forward to your impressions, I think you'll love it.

    Probably worth having a look in the 2014 Pike thread for setup info. My reading was run minimal tokens to keep linear response. Run less rebound and compression than you would on a Fox. Try less sag - around 20%. I'm currently around 5 clicks in from fast rebound and 2 clicks on compression. It's early days, but works very well so far.

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    This is a pict of the 429c with the Fox 120mm Float CTD 2014 with 2015 dampener, seals and Gold oil. Anyone with the Fox fork this is noticeable upgrade, fork is smoother than previous. Fox sent the parts to my local shop for free along with a new upper because of the creaking that plagues the Fox. When I called and talked to Ed at Fox, I told him about the creak and how I was not happy with the suppleness of fork. Ed is the Man at Fox, great customer service. Will post a pict of Pike soon!!
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    replace shock with trail adjust

    hi m429c users, is it only me? i find the "climb" of the CTD shock still not firm enough for egressive climbing...

    my buddies (using other bikes) with CTD shock "w/ trail adjust" version are really firm when switched to "climb"...

    i'm thinking of replacing my shock with the "w/ trail adjust" version. or any suggestion...
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    Hi guys.. new member from Australia here..

    I have a M429C and just scored a RS reverb stealth seatpost for a silly cheap price. However our frames seem to not be ideal for internal routing...

    Just wondering if anyone has modified their frame to accept internal routing of a dropper post?

    I'll never be refitting a front derailleur so not worried about removing the cable outer stops..

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    Quote Originally Posted by engrmariano View Post
    hi m429c users, is it only me? i find the "climb" of the CTD shock still not firm enough for egressive climbing...

    my buddies (using other bikes) with CTD shock "w/ trail adjust" version are really firm when switched to "climb"...

    i'm thinking of replacing my shock with the "w/ trail adjust" version. or any suggestion...
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    I found the same also.. I am about 95kg and always want some more lock when climbing longer hills...

    The M429C framesets always come with a light tune on the shock, due to the design of the DW link and it's properties.

    Best option if you want more platform is to have your shock retuned to suit your needs

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    Trail adjust only affects trail setting BUT if you have a 2013 that may be the problem they revolved / tuned for 2014 and beyond more platform... Climb seems firm too... Fox can upgrade internals for reasonable $

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    Re: 429c carbon thread

    Quote Originally Posted by kyl3 View Post
    Hi guys.. new member from Australia here..

    I have a M429C and just scored a RS reverb stealth seatpost for a silly cheap price. However our frames seem to not be ideal for internal routing...

    Just wondering if anyone has modified their frame to accept internal routing of a dropper post?

    I'll never be refitting a front derailleur so not worried about removing the cable outer stops..
    Never mind.. I worked it out. Wasn't ideal but got there!

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