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    Sony NEX-5: one year in [o]

    So a year ago I purchased one of the new mirrorless SLRs, a Sony NEX 5. These cameras give DSLR quality plus interchangeable lenses in a camera the size to a rangefinder or most P&S cameras. In other words, very portable and I haven't ridden with my DSLR since! So I thought it fun to post up the year in review with some of my favourites...






























































    Previously I only took along my DSLR when I was doing a ride with an emphasis on photography, ie almost a planned photoshoot. Otherwise it would just stay home because as you say, its too much hassle. And it never fails that one comes across a scene that makes you scream "wish I had brought my camera!" The NEX-5 however is so portable that I take it along almost every ride even if I have no intention of doing a shoot.

    It's not for everyone but for me it is close to perfect! I wanted a full DSLR size sensor for all the benefits that entails. It came with a 16mm pancake prime lens that is perfect for landscapes and is what I mostly use, and is so small the camera fits in a pocket. I also have the 18-55mm zoom, and just ordered the 30mm Macro which should arrive on my doorstep tomorrow. Looking forward to some fun with that! Cheap adapters are available that allow you to use almost any lens imaginable on this camera! As I already posted previously, I have an adapter for my Leica M4 lenses.

    There are numerous software algorithms that allow special effects that previously required carefully planned shots and then significant post processing in Photoshop. HDR (high dynamic range) is popularbut DRO (dynamic range optimizer) works well for me. My favourite though is the Panoramic Mode which gives you a sweep of 270 degrees in a file over 8000 pixels wide. I like to combine those with standard shots to give a better sense of location. All files are down sized dramatically for the web but here's a few more panoramics







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    Nice photos. I've also got this camera, and i've never regretted. The best possibility in that size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterMJ View Post
    Nice photos. I've also got this camera, and i've never regret. The best possibility in that size.
    Thanks! Here's a few favourites from just the 30mm macro lens that I have acquired since...




















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    BCD - great photos. Did you do much post-processing with these images (color adjust, brightness/contrast, etc.)? What are your thoughts on its video capabilities?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void65 View Post
    BCD - great photos. Did you do much post-processing with these images (color adjust, brightness/contrast, etc.)? What are your thoughts on its video capabilities?
    Thanks! Yes, I like to post process rather than in-camera. I get to spend time with the image and enjoy it more that way. I always do a basic sharpening (using the default setting in CS3), and add a border. Sometimes I adjust the levels & white balance my self if I don't like where the camera or Photoshop has set them. Frequently I will turn up the saturation a bit to punch out the colours. And I also dodge and burn areas that need it. The typical old school darkroom stuff, pics don't make themselves!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Void65 View Post
    What are your thoughts on its video capabilities?
    I have only used the video on one occasion, and could not even take advantage of HD mode 'cause my computer won't handle it (yes, I need to upgrade)
    so this was shot standard (VGA??)mode, available light of course, dimly lit store at night. I was impressed and thought sound quality to be good too. Judge for yourself, clip isn't long....

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/18140525?title=0&amp;byline=0&amp;portrait=0" width="651" height="366" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe><p> Muskoka's mountain bike community join together to present Buckwallow Mike with a 2011 Surly Pugsley at The Bike Shop in Gravenhurst, On. Canada!</p>
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    Just curious but what kind of bag do you keep your NEX in? I just picked up a 5N and am shopping for something to carry it around in on rides.

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    I have a small CaseLogic which will easily hold the camera with either 16mm
    pancake or 18-55mm zoom attached.
    If I'm bringing a second lens on a ride I just slip it in my pocket.
    I prefer to slip it onto the top strap of my hydration pack.
    Its well protected there imo and very quick access for those quick grab shots on group rides.
    I have a UV filter mounted on the lens so no lens cap, and ride with the camera turned on, ready to rocknroll
    This setup is so light and compact it's not any bother at all to bring it along.
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    I ended up getting the Lowepro Edit 100 bag as it fit the 5n with the 18-55 lens and the belt loop was velcro so it could be attached to the top of my Wingnut pack.

    Just curious, what mode do you typically shoot in? Do you have any custom settings on your camera? What do you do for white balance while out in the field?

    Sorry for all the questions but your pics look awesome and I'd love to be able to match some of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lost27 View Post
    Just curious, what mode do you typically shoot in? Do you have any custom settings on your camera? What do you do for white balance while out in the field?
    Sorry for all the questions but your pics look awesome and I'd love to be able to match some of them.
    Doing photography on rides (especially group rides) is all about KISS because a) the ride is the main thing and b) your riding companions don't want to hang forever while you shoot. Which makes it tough to get that 'just perfect" shot! Also I prefer and enjoy post-processing so I do not tweak pics in camera but that is certainly an option if you prefer to limit or not do post processing. ie you can set up sharpening, saturation, bracketing etc. For me post processing lets me spend time with and enjoy the pic, as well as being able to dodge & burn areas if necessary.
    Mostly I use S mode (shutter priority) and ISO200 if bright sun but ISO400 if lots of tree cover, shade etc. If deep forest cover will even go ISO800. I'm not above using Iphoto modes too.be careful where you base your exposure on is best tip imo . Nothing I hate more in a pic than blown hilights (washed-out whites, page white clouds or snow with no detail is a very common example) so I always tend to expose for the hilights and let the shadows go dark...which often as not adds visual impact anyway. This can easily be done by aiming at a brighter part of the scene, holding shutter button down half way which locks exposure and then frame your shot. Don't know if I explain that well but again its quick way to not overexpose.

    I ahve shutter set on multiple shot so often squeeze off 8-10 shots of moving riders, changing expressions to improve odds to get a good one etc love digital to just delete the crap!!

    I have DRO turned on and Sony's works very well imo. Dynamic Range Optimizer helps to avoid blown hilights also.

    AWB (auto white balance) works well for me but I use Adobe Lightroom to develop my pics and really like their AWB setting. I switch between the 2 to compare but most of the time go with Lightroom' s settings, they are a bit warmer and it does snow really well imo...again I dislike snow shots that have the blue cast commonly seen.

    After some adjustments in Lightroom ( f which many are possible) I export and then open with Adobe Photoshop for final tweaking.
    I always sharpen slightly (default setting) and adjust levels if necessary if I don't like what AutoLevels puts out. And I will dodge and burn ( lighten/darken)select areas if needed. I usually up the saturation slightly to punch out the colours somewhat. And finally I add the border. Much of this can be automated in a batch routine if one wishes...except for selective dodge & burn.
    For the web upload I reduce the pics to 1000 x 666 pixel, typically gives a file 250-350 K suitable fr web viewing only. The original files are 15Mb range and would be suitable for prints.
    That's about it, hope it helps and most of all have fun!
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    beautiful shots, the successor, 5n, has the best IQ and most modern sensor of the aps-c (most dslrs), very compact. But mirrorless systens have huge drawback of focusing on action/movement.

    Plus, with a $30 adapter you can adapt older gen nikon/canon (with f-stop on lens), for great bang bug pictures for stills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob13bob View Post
    beautiful shots, the successor, 5n, has the best IQ and most modern sensor of the aps-c (most dslrs), very compact. But mirrorless systens have huge drawback of focusing on action/movement.

    Plus, with a $30 adapter you can adapt older gen nikon/canon (with f-stop on lens), for great bang bug pictures for stills.
    Thanks for appreciating!
    Yes, I have an adapter to use my Leica M4 lenses, here's a pic of the NEX 5 with the 35mm and 90 mm...


    I'm not sure I agree about the mirrorless system being a 'huge drawback' for focusing on action, you will have to elaborate on that. Do you mean tracking action? With today's autofocus lenses who focuses much anymore? I rarely do anyway, except when using the old manual lenses. That being said, I am primarily interested in 'landscape' photography while out riding, skiing, paddling etc. These cameras are pretty sweet for that imo, very happy with it and they are so small I rarely go for a ride now without bringing it along!
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    It does pretty good at capturing action especially with the 10fps burst. I've got a nice 10 frame set of Adam Craig cleaning the 'A' line at the mellow classic

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    Thanks for the thread and review!
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    BCD, b13b - What is the format factor when using a 35mm lens adapter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb View Post
    BCD, b13b - What is the format factor when using a 35mm lens adapter?
    The factor is 1.5, ie a 50mm lens from a 35 mm film camera effectively becomes 75mm and so on for C size DSLR sensors.
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    ^Ah, right... C sensor. duh. Thanks...
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    The camera is competent but I have to applaud your good eye in the first place. It is always a pleasure for me to look at your pictures even when looking at image sizes where frankly the camera quality does not matter much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    The camera is competent but I have to applaud your good eye in the first place. It is always a pleasure for me to look at your pictures even when looking at image sizes where frankly the camera quality does not matter much.
    Thank you for the appreciation! Yes these are scaled down substantially for web display, but I want to retain the capability to produce good quality large size prints from the original files and APS-C size sensors are the bottom limit for that imo. I have had several mounted prints 30" x 45" produced for a client from my Pentax K-20 that are surprisingly good!! I have not tried this yet from the NEX-5 and to be fair the Pentax lens used for them cost more than the entire NEX kit.
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    Funny that you should have this up as my Canon 20D is slowly dying and this year I was planning on picking something up.
    Originally I had planned on getting a 50D or something similar and going from there but at the same time I was looking for something that would give me DSLR quality photos for riding but was still quite compact. Then came along the adapters that will take my Canon lenses and I think I may be sold on the NEX-5! I figure that I can get the base body with the 16mm pancake lens and then from there if I want to bring something along I can grab my 19-35, 50 f/1.8, 24-135 or my 55-250 and call it good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Funny that you should have this up as my Canon 20D is slowly dying and this year I was planning on picking something up.
    Originally I had planned on getting a 50D or something similar and going from there but at the same time I was looking for something that would give me DSLR quality photos for riding but was still quite compact. Then came along the adapters that will take my Canon lenses and I think I may be sold on the NEX-5! I figure that I can get the base body with the 16mm pancake lens and then from there if I want to bring something along I can grab my 19-35, 50 f/1.8, 24-135 or my 55-250 and call it good.
    before you jump in verify if autofocus will work with those lenses. if not you will have to manually focus which may or may not effect your decision. while riding i find the photography tends towards quick grab & go shots and i personally find autofocus invaluable in those circumstances especially if ambient lighting is very bright.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    before you jump in verify if autofocus will work with those lenses. if not you will have to manually focus which may or may not effect your decision. while riding i find the photography tends towards quick grab & go shots and i personally find autofocus invaluable in those circumstances especially if ambient lighting is very bright.
    What do you mean? Is there a documented issue with the NEX that some lenses will not autofocus with the adapters or is it the adapters? All my lenses are EF/EF-S lenses so theoretically they should all autofocus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    What do you mean? Is there a documented issue with the NEX that some lenses will not autofocus with the adapters or is it the adapters? All my lenses are EF/EF-S lenses so theoretically they should all autofocus.
    I don't know if they will or won't, I don't know enough about brand interchangeability with autofocus lenses to really comment. I would just make sure first to not be surprised/disappointed later. I suggest you post the question in the Sony NEX forum on DPReview or some other knowledgeable source. Let me know what you find out
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    What do you mean? Is there a documented issue with the NEX that some lenses will not autofocus with the adapters or is it the adapters? All my lenses are EF/EF-S lenses so theoretically they should all autofocus.
    I do not think you can expect the adapters to do magic between different systems of multiple vendors. Typically, these adapters offer mechanical coupling only, some of them are smart enough to provide aperture control. Some cameras offer focus assist indicators, but those still require you to operate the focus ring manually. I would be very surprised if Cannon lenses could autofocus on Sony bodies.

    For this reason, it is vintage lenses (M42, Leica, Contax, etc.) that are so popular to use with these cameras - nothing can replace the good old direct mechanical focusing of those. I sometimes shoot with a 4/3rds body and vintage Exakta lenses, but everything is manual with this combo, including aperture control.

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    How do you like the Sony for low light forest action shots? Living in the costal rainforest that's my biggest challenge - keeping a fast moving bike in focus under gloomy conditions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Funny that you should have this up as my Canon 20D is slowly dying and this year I was planning on picking something up.
    Originally I had planned on getting a 50D or something similar and going from there but at the same time I was looking for something that would give me DSLR quality photos for riding but was still quite compact. Then came along the adapters that will take my Canon lenses and I think I may be sold on the NEX-5! I figure that I can get the base body with the 16mm pancake lens and then from there if I want to bring something along I can grab my 19-35, 50 f/1.8, 24-135 or my 55-250 and call it good.
    The majority of my pics in this thread were made with the 16mm pancake, it is easily my favourite. If you like this style of photo it will keep you happy most of the time. Bought the macro because the close-ups make a nice compliment to the landscapes. I also have the 18-55 zoom which I picked up on ebay just because it was a good price but I rarely use it.
    I should try to incorporate it more, and the Leica lenses too...but for riding and the quick grab & go shots the pancake is pretty sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    How do you like the Sony for low light forest action shots? Living in the costal rainforest that's my biggest challenge - keeping a fast moving bike in focus under gloomy conditions.
    These latest generation Sony APS-C sensors have one of the best if not the best low-light performance available today! Their software has 3 distinct low-light algorithms that build on that. I say it would be perfect for you! It has been a while since I read the data but I believe these sensors have outstanding performance up to ISO 3200.

    This entire party album was shot inside a bike shop at night hand held with very low ambient light and no flash
    because I wanted the lighting consistent throughout the room. click on the link under the pic to see the entire set...
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/0a9EAxU4_qa6lbiah6gX-NMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedwebsite"><img src="https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QOLAAYX7PpA/TRSe1ABGPSI/AAAAAAAAEEk/SKdH1RX4fi4/s800/Pug4.jpg" height="538" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/113125576961447749127/MikeSPugsleyThePresentationParty?authuser=0&feat=e mbedwebsite">Mike's Pugsley - The Presentation Party</a></td></tr></table>

    this shot was hand held at twilight...
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ehgVdRI5VnwFpiSxTB_FNdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HECuS6z03j8/TN9DV8gvzLI/AAAAAAAAD5Y/Bb5lQXdFgYI/s800/101112%2520Misc13.jpg" height="536" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/113125576961447749127/MyLittleTown?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite">My Little Town</a></td></tr></table>

    hand held in my living room, again at night with rather low ambient lighting...
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/uovyDgCV3Y7qetc8YGzSqtMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=e mbedwebsite"><img src="https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-6rHaB5RDDX0/TS5qKaXOXqI/AAAAAAAAETw/z8PJMRcl9n0/s800/Ski1366.jpg" height="538" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/113125576961447749127/SkinnySkisAndSunshine?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite ">Skinny skis and sunshine...</a></td></tr></table>
    <table style="width:auto;"><tr><td><a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dy5HxR-l1cyJmdMIuofnhNMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=embedweb site"><img src="https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-q4ai9vUnKJk/TN9Dc3E6ZRI/AAAAAAAAD5c/uJBbG3WDmUU/s800/101112%2520Misc%25203.jpg" height="536" width="800" /></a></td></tr><tr><td style="font-family:arial,sans-serif; font-size:11px; text-align:right">From <a href="https://picasaweb.google.com/113125576961447749127/HomeIsWhereTheHeartIs?authuser=0&feat=embedwebsite ">Home is where the heart is</a></td></tr></table>
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    Those are some pretty good low light pics!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Those are some pretty good low light pics!
    Thanks, I agree this camera excels at low-light. If you are considering it to replace your DSLR, I will point out a couple of negatives. It is more awkward using the scroll wheel and function buttons if you ride with full fingered gloves. I am switching back to fingerless gloves for the summer season this year just for that reason. Secondly the screen can be very difficult to see if you are wearing sunglasses. I find that to be the case with any screen...something about the sunglasses seems to polarize the image or whatever. So you may have to slide them down your nose and look over the top sometimes, which can get annoying. I have the optical viewfinder that matches with the 16mm pancake lens and is the lens I use most of the time anyway. If you buy the newer NEX 5n it has a EVF option so consider that. ALso if you can tolerate a slightly bigger camera definitely look at the just out NEX 7 which has built in EVF and control dials that would be much easier to work with.
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    Awesome Photographs! I also have a Sony NEX-5 and love it!

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    using an adapter = manual focus. Nex (especially 5n/3c) is one of the best adapted cameras on the market because of focus peaking (you tube it) and quick zoom when focusing. It's better than using a dslr with adapted lens. Most adapted lens shooters I see are stills shooter. Not sure how it would do for shooting people or action.

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    Some people say that nex-5n is better for low light than 5D mark II... I think about purchasing one because of it and also because outstanding video...

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    Are you still loving the NEX?

    I'm thinking about a new camera, the Sony NEX, either 5 or 3, don't think I want to spend the extra $$$ for the 7. Just wondering if those of you that purchased a NEX are still loving it???? Thanks for your feedback

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    Great pictures OP, very inspiring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cpt_Haddock View Post
    Great pictures OP, very inspiring.
    Thank you Cpt_Haddock!

    And to answer Trek7100: Yes, still lovin' it. I have taken more riding pics in the past 18 months than probably the previous 5 years, mostly because this camera is so easy to take along.
    And I have the quality and versatility (interchangeable lenses) of a DSLR. Again, hard for me to say what is good for someone else, but I knew for myself when I first saw these and started to research them that if NEX 5 wasn't quite perfect for me for biking,skiing etc it would be very close!! And these cameras have been tweeked further now by Sony with 3C and 5N editions.
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    dont' get a 7, it's overpriced.

    next 5n if you do video, 3c if not. I wouldn't get nex 3 or 5 since it's 1st gen and 2nd gen made some good improvements.

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    Really nice photos!

    I got a NEX-5N Thursday but I took it back today. It's a super great camera and I will probably get one later on..I exchanged it for a second GoPro Hero 2 and a high end Sony P&S that would probably be more practical for my level of use.

    The lenses can really add up on the $$ as I would want the wide angle with the fisheye as well for the 180 degree view and that adds around $400. The 210mm zoom lens runs around $300 or so.

    I do plan to buy this camera later on when my $$ gets better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    How do you like the Sony for low light forest action shots? Living in the costal rainforest that's my biggest challenge - keeping a fast moving bike in focus under gloomy conditions.
    If you're trying to do that, you really need phase detection AF, which you can only get with DSLRs or the Sony SLTs. The SLTs are like mirrorless cameras in that they only have digital viewfinders, but like SLRs in that they have phase detect autofocus, which is much better at tracking action, especially in low light. They have DSLR form factors and use the A-mount.

    Mid range DSLRs (D7000, 60D, 7D) now have multiple cross type AF sensors in their AF systems, and the new Canon 5D Mk3 and 1D-x have multiple double cross type sensors. Cross type sensors make the AF point even faster and more reliable. Lower end cameras often only have a single cross type point in the center.

    But who knows. Contrast detection AF is getting better with each new camera, and it might do just fine for you.


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    using an adapter = manual focus. Nex (especially 5n/3c) is one of the best adapted cameras on the market because of focus peaking (you tube it) and quick zoom when focusing. It's better than using a dslr with adapted lens. Most adapted lens shooters I see are stills shooter. Not sure how it would do for shooting people or action.
    This, totally. I'd rather have to manual focus on a LCD screen with focus peaking than on a modern crop sensor DSLR focusing screen that doesn't have any focusing prisms. You can actually be quite accurate and quick with focus peaking. It's also a really neat feature that lets you see what the contrast detection AF system sees.

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    So, for those that have/had a mirrorless camera and a DSLR, after knowing what you know about the mirrorless and what it can do, if you were in a position where you had to give one up, which would it be? I ask because I was thinking about getting a mirrorless but I can't afford it atm. I have a DSLR. So I was thinking about seeing if I could trade someone or find a shop that would allow trade-ins. I have gotten to the point where I don't really use my DSLR that much just because it's a pain to carry and somewhat obtrusive when out in public, I thought maybe a mirrorless I would be more apt to carry and use it. I just don't want to regret the trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    So, for those that have/had a mirrorless camera and a DSLR, after knowing what you know about the mirrorless and what it can do, if you were in a position where you had to give one up, which would it be? I ask because I was thinking about getting a mirrorless but I can't afford it atm. I have a DSLR. So I was thinking about seeing if I could trade someone or find a shop that would allow trade-ins. I have gotten to the point where I don't really use my DSLR that much just because it's a pain to carry and somewhat obtrusive when out in public, I thought maybe a mirrorless I would be more apt to carry and use it. I just don't want to regret the trade.
    Obviously there's not a one-size fits-all answer to this but your second to last sentence is telling. For myself the answer is definitely yes, I would keep the NEX 5 over the DSLR. In fact, I have not used the DSLR since I got the NEX 5. This is because I do almost all my shooting during outdoor activities and the NEX series is just so portable with DSLR quality.
    Which is why I went down this road in the first place, and I have been more than happy with it. The NEX 5N is probably even better. The Nex 7 trades off some bulk once again so you would have to weigh advantage/disadvantage.
    My Pentax K20 DSLR has the edge in one catagory, both body & lens are fully moisture sealed so for canoe tripping I would still take it. Admittedly the lens is better too but that's merely a function of price. It is not a "kit" lens and it alone cost more than the NEX 5plus kit lenses. There are higher quality lenses coming available for mirrorless cameras too.
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    Thanks. I am still researching what camera would be the best fit. I am a Nikon fan but I am pretty sure the Nikon 1 is out. I really like what I have read and seen of the Sony NEX 5N and NEX 7. I haven't started looking at other options yet. I'll definitely looking in the Pentax and I want to research the Fujifilm X-Pro1 too. Thanks again for the info.
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    Thanks, I agree this camera excels at low-light. If you are considering it to replace your DSLR, I will point out a couple of negatives. It is more awkward using the scroll wheel and function buttons if you ride with full fingered gloves. I am switching back to fingerless gloves for the summer season this year just for that reason. Secondly the screen can be very difficult to see if you are wearing sunglasses. I find that to be the case with any screen...something about the sunglasses seems to polarize the image or whatever. So you may have to slide them down your nose and look over the top sometimes, which can get annoying. I have the optical viewfinder that matches with the 16mm pancake lens and is the lens I use most of the time anyway. If you buy the newer NEX 5n it has a EVF option so consider that. ALso if you can tolerate a slightly bigger camera definitely look at the just out NEX 7 which has built in EVF and control dials that would be much easier to work with.
    I had clip-on polarizing sunglasses at the time I wrote the above. Since then I have upgraded my Rx and switched to Transition lenses in the process. That has solved my problem of not being able to see the screen properly when wearing sunglasses! I am also riding more often without gloves...figured that if Emily Batty of the Canadian Women' XC Olympic Team and currently 5th in the World Cup standings can race gloveless, then I should be able to do that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    So, for those that have/had a mirrorless camera and a DSLR, after knowing what you know about the mirrorless and what it can do, if you were in a position where you had to give one up, which would it be? I ask because I was thinking about getting a mirrorless but I can't afford it atm. I have a DSLR. So I was thinking about seeing if I could trade someone or find a shop that would allow trade-ins. I have gotten to the point where I don't really use my DSLR that much just because it's a pain to carry and somewhat obtrusive when out in public, I thought maybe a mirrorless I would be more apt to carry and use it. I just don't want to regret the trade.
    I certainly have not regretted going from a Canon EOS system to an m43 system. The difference in bulk and weight is significant and the tradeoff in image quality insignificant (for me).
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    Good to hear. I did have an offer of a Canon D5 MKII for my camera. Not the direction I want to go but it has me thinking that it might be worth it on value alone. Even if I didn't keep the Canon, the resale of the body is x2 what my Nikon is at the moment. I also had an offer of a 2006 Yamaha YZF 600R with 5000 miles...lol...still waiting on more info on that one...that's definitely one I'll consider just for resale. I'd think if the bike is straight, I could get $2000 out of it all day long and $2500+ if I wasn't in a huge hurry to sell. Either amount is probably more than I can get out of my camera kit and plenty of cash to bust into the mirrorless scene.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outsider View Post
    I certainly have not regretted going from a Canon EOS system to an m43 system. The difference in bulk and weight is significant and the tradeoff in image quality insignificant (for me).
    This is very good to know as I currently have an aging 20D with a multitude of lenses. While the process and time is there to pick up another Canon body, the "useability" of the NEX system would be much to my advantage as really the 20D only comes out for special occasions. Really the wife and I don't take photographs all that much with the P&S or 20D anymore due to the bulk and having our iPhones on us at all times. But something like this could be a good stop-gap between the P&S and the 20D.

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    Im thinking of a nex5 with a 16mm pancake for bike rides.
    Do any of you of some sort of bag that mounts on the shouldetstrap of say a camelbak?
    Like a slightly larger PDA pouch that would fit the above combo?

    The old d200 is a bit too heavy and you have to stop every 2min to get a picture...
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    Good job!

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    For this reason, it is vintage lenses (M42, Leica, Contax, etc.) that are so popular to use with these cameras - nothing can replace the good old direct mechanical focusing of those. I sometimes shoot with a 4/3rds body and vintage Exakta lenses, but everything is manual with this combo, including aperture control.
    Very interesting info. I've got a Contax 139Q with Carl Zeiss hardware and never ever it occured to me those could be used with today's cameras. I'm leaning towards PEN E-PL3 at the moment, but damn, using my Contax glass would be awesome. Any idea which cameras have an adaptor available?

    Sorry for hijacking, but NEX-5 is kinda still on my short list, so.. you can try to change my mind over on that Olympus.

    About the photos though, I kept asking myself "is this guy cycling in Finland?" All that flat worn rocksurface is so familiar. Good stuff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rinseflow View Post
    Very interesting info. I've got a Contax 139Q with Carl Zeiss hardware and never ever it occured to me those could be used with today's cameras. I'm leaning towards PEN E-PL3 at the moment, but damn, using my Contax glass would be awesome. Any idea which cameras have an adaptor available?
    ...
    I think there is some kind of consensus that the NEX cameras are the ones to choose for use with old manual lenses. The sensor is excellent and there is a working manual focus assist method (focus peaking). The strength of the m43 cameras is the native lenses. Though there are adapters for just about any kind of lens, the m43 cameras have smaller sensors, which means that wide lenses are no longer that wide and the sensors might outresolve the lenses.
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    There were some quality issues that originally turned me off from Sony. I think it was condensation inside the camera with large temperature differences happening and camera shorting out then customer support giving people bs about it. Could have been a cheaper model camera though, I'm not 100% sure it was the NEX.

    E-PL3 has a built in stabilizer in-camera so no need to have that in lenses you buy. Also it is a bit cheaper, but I'm not yet fully committed. Also really into Fuji X10, that would be such a wonderful toy, too bad it has that orb issue. As you can see, I'm still all over the place on what I'm going to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rinseflow View Post
    There were some quality issues that originally turned me off from Sony. I think it was condensation inside the camera with large temperature differences happening and camera shorting out then customer support giving people bs about it. Could have been a cheaper model camera though, I'm not 100% sure it was the NEX.
    For what it's worth, I have not had any quality issues with my NEX 5 in the almost 2 yrs I have owned it. As you can see from my pics and signature galleries link I am out with it year round. Unless you move up to a weather sealed camera/lens combo they are all going to be at risk of moisture damage like any electronics, be it camera,smart phone, or whatever.
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    Key is to keep it in a camera bag or even in a plastic bag when taking the camera from one temp. extreme to another. Once the camera is acclimated, you can remove it without issue.
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    Plastic bags have been in heavy use already with my smaller gear but mainly to protect them from actual water contact.

    Still I got it wrong though. It is a Panasonic I dropped off the list because of the condensation issue. NEX-5 apparently has some issues overheating and shutting off if you shoot 10 minutes of full quality video, that was a slight turn off for me but clearly not as big of an issue as the Panasonic one. The largest selling point with the Sony for me are those seamless panoramas and that's quite a biggie.

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    The perfect camera doesn't exist yet. If you don't need video, then the Olympus E-M5 comes quite close, due to its size, image quality and the superior image stabilizer in the body. It even has some weather proofing. Shame about the video quality, though. For video, the Panasonic GH-2 is the clear choice currently, if you want both still image and video quality in the same package.
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    Thanks for the suggestion. That E-M5 looks really good from the specs. It costs a bit more than I'd be willing to spend, but need to think about it. I know there will be a compromise or two along the way so we'll see what happens.

    Now back to the regular programming. I won't steal any more of this thread unless I get a NEX-5.

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    The Nex-5 has been an eye opener for me, but I can't help my feelings and have decided to move back to the 5D.

    Just never found the focussing hit the spot I wanted it to hit...

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    I am looking into purchasing a camera. My daughter is a photographer, and I can follow most of the lingo in here, but the one question I have (and I am a total amateur) does this camera take great action shots?

    I know a lot has to do whom is taking the photo, as well as the settings, but if it is better at scenery than action I don't know if I would purchase it. I like taking scenery shots, as well as "artsy" shots, and really like the size of it, but if I am out on the trail with it I would want it to take some good action shots. My friends and I ride all mtn, at a pretty good pace, so just want to make sure it can capture my style of riding.

    thank you BlackCanoeDog for all the answers you have given as well as the pictures that inspire others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tep View Post
    I am looking into purchasing a camera. My daughter is a photographer, and I can follow most of the lingo in here, but the one question I have (and I am a total amateur) does this camera take great action shots?

    I know a lot has to do whom is taking the photo, as well as the settings, but if it is better at scenery than action I don't know if I would purchase it. I like taking scenery shots, as well as "artsy" shots, and really like the size of it, but if I am out on the trail with it I would want it to take some good action shots. My friends and I ride all mtn, at a pretty good pace, so just want to make sure it can capture my style of riding.

    thank you BlackCanoeDog for all the answers you have given as well as the pictures that inspire others.

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    Depends on your definition of action. If you typically have time to setup for the action shot then it is OK, maybe even better than OK to good because there is no mirror to flip and black out viewfinder as in typical DSLR. But probably not if you need to make a lot of setting changes quickly on the fly. Might consider the NEX 7 or NEX 6 for that. Also the burst rate is not terrific on this camera ( 1st edition) but I think that was upgraded on later editions. My interest is specifically landscape, rider in the landscape, etc and its perfect for what I do!
    Maybe some action shooting expert(s) will chime in with more specific information, suggestion. The size of this camera relative to it's picture quality was/is the big selling feature for me.
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    Really great photos. I dug this thread up on memory, after seeing it maybe a year ago. You have a great eye for composition, light & color!

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    whats the difference between the 5n and 5r. they have some deals on amazon warehouse and im thinking of picking one up for my wife. also will all nikon lenses work with the adapter?

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    Nice images, the Sony is indeed a fine camera. I went with the Panasonic G5 myself. I like the 4/3 cameras, with a pancake lens it fits neatly into a coat pocket or even a jersey pocket if it's a loose cut jersey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nOOky View Post
    Nice images, the Sony is indeed a fine camera. I went with the Panasonic G5 myself. I like the 4/3 cameras, with a pancake lens it fits neatly into a coat pocket or even a jersey pocket if it's a loose cut jersey.
    Thanks! We are blessed to have so many great tools and toys in today's world, photographic and otherwise! I don't see my self posting pics on MTBR in future, not liking the mini-pic format. No point in posting detail rich landscapes and having
    them presented as 4 x 5"LOL. Not to mention how slooooowwww it runs now...yawn!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Thanks! We are blessed to have so many great tools and toys in today's world, photographic and otherwise! I don't see my self posting pics on MTBR in future, not liking the mini-pic format. No point in posting detail rich landscapes and having
    them presented as 4 x 5"LOL. Not to mention how slooooowwww it runs now...yawn!!
    Do you use flickr or another photo sharing site? If so just link the picture(s) URL with the add image icon in the advanced panel. I post large pics all of the time on the new format MTBR.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    Thanks! We are blessed to have so many great tools and toys in today's world, photographic and otherwise! I don't see my self posting pics on MTBR in future, not liking the mini-pic format. No point in posting detail rich landscapes and having
    them presented as 4 x 5"LOL. Not to mention how slooooowwww it runs now...yawn!!
    I would guess this has as much to do with mobile device compatibility as anything. My 7" tablet chokes on the pic threads unless I use the tapatalk app.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkslide18 View Post
    Do you use flickr or another photo sharing site? If so just link the picture(s) URL with the add image icon in the advanced panel. I post large pics all of the time on the new format MTBR.

    Mine are all linked from Picasa, but looking at your pic now it loads in at 4 x 6" same as mine are. Unless there is something available in the setup that I need to enable? Are you seeing this pic full size in this thread??
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb View Post
    I would guess this has as much to do with mobile device compatibility as anything. My 7" tablet chokes on the pic threads unless I use the tapatalk app.
    That makes sense, although I have never had an issue with that on my ipad. What is extremely frustrating is the delayed response to mouse clicks within the post reply box..its beyond ridiculous!!!
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    There is an MTBR account setting that you might investigate:
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    This allows pictures to appear at their original size, if embedded from flickr etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FM View Post
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    There is an MTBR account setting that you might investigate:
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    This allows pictures to appear at their original size, if embedded from flickr etc.
    HEY!!!! That's it! Thank you so much FM, a big Valentine's Day hug & kiss for you...from your sweetheart I hope! Just rep points from me
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    I must try some post photo tweaks with my Nex 5 pics ......now all i need is to magic up an eighth day

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    I recently purchased an NEX-6. I love this camera. So much so, I sold my Nikon D300. Not sure I can ever go back to a DSLR now and I don't think I'll ever need to. IMO, two years time, maybe less if the various companies continue working hard, mirrorless cameras will be at the level that DSLR cameras are at now, if not at the same level they will be in two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    I recently purchased an NEX-6. I love this camera. So much so, I sold my Nikon D300. Not sure I can ever go back to a DSLR now and I don't think I'll ever need to. IMO, two years time, maybe less if the various companies continue working hard, mirrorless cameras will be at the level that DSLR cameras are at now, if not at the same level they will be in two years.
    Agreed. I have only used my DSLR when shooting in wet conditions ( both it and the lens are weather sealed) since getting my NEX-5.
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    Nubster, what lens are you using, the 16-50 kit? Does the 6 fit in a camelback goggles pocket, or a back jersey pocket?

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    FM, the NEX-6 is physically same size as NEX-7, so bigger than NEX-5
    Sony NEX-6 Hands-on Preview: Digital Photography Review
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    Yeah, I've played with on at stores a few times. Pretty close to pulling the trigger- this thread has definitely steered me in that direction.

    Main thing I'm trying to guage is will it be realistic to carry the nex-6 with kit lens in a standard camelback or jersey pocket. No plans to MTB with it in my jersey pocket, but I'd like to commute with the Nex6 and no bag if possible. I'd put it in a ziploc or something to keep it from getting sweaty.

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    Nex 5 Year 3

    ..is wrapping up! No problems whatsoever.. still love this camera for ridin' & shootin' Here's some of my favourites from this year...















































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    Beautiful!!

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    You guys have taken some great photos with your NEX-5's. I bought a NEX-5N 2 years ago and love it. I'd post some pics but for some reason i am having trouble getting photos t upload from photo bucket and have a Macbook that I cant figure out how to reduce the size of the photos on like I could my old pc.

    I let my niece borrow it to take pics of her sons baseball tournament and liked to of never got it back from her. Her husband cussed my because she never let up until he had to buy them one for their christmas present for 2014 in April.
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    Not pics from mountain biking but ones taken from my families home in Miami. You never knew what kind of view you would see when you went out by the dock there. These were taken with my NEX-5N and I haven't enhanced any of them since I haven't had time to learn how to and probably am not using the correct lenses anyway.

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    NEX5 and 5+ years final update

    Long time since my last update and I'm pleased to say the original Sony NEX5 has had zero issues for 5 1/2 years, still functioning as well as the day I got it!





































    In conclusion I realized that I miss having a viewfinder, and have been anticipating the release of the Sony a6300 with it's state of the art EVF. I ordered and received mine first week of their release. The NEX 5 has served me very well!
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    Thanks for all the great pictures over the time you have had this camera. Thanks for the review. I have enjoyed this thread alot and followed it closely. I wanted to say that I purchased my own NEX based upon your recommendation and have been very happy with it. Please consider starting a new thread and review of the Sony a6300. I would very much like to see more of your pictures and hear a review on the new camera.

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    ps. I agree that a view finder is a feature that I miss

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbaulfinger View Post
    Thanks for all the great pictures over the time you have had this camera. Thanks for the review. I have enjoyed this thread alot and followed it closely. I wanted to say that I purchased my own NEX based upon your recommendation and have been very happy with it. Please consider starting a new thread and review of the Sony a6300. I would very much like to see more of your pictures and hear a review on the new camera.

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    Thanks Mark! Nice suggestion and I think I might just do that, and a year should give me a good overall feel for the a6300. I did my first ride with it today using the 16-50mm kit lens. This was my favourite shot of the day...


    ps: The a6300 with kit lens fits into the same small camera bag that I have used for years with the NEX5 and which I wear attached to the chest strap on my hydration pack!
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    I would like to see pics with the 16/2.8 if you ever try one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb View Post
    I would like to see pics with the 16/2.8 if you ever try one.
    OK ...next time out I will use the 16/2.8 ...I might as well because I seem to always use the zooms in the wide angle view! Couple more from the 1650 PZ...


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    Quote Originally Posted by bsieb View Post
    I would like to see pics with the 16/2.8 if you ever try one.
    From this morning with 16/f2.8. Very different day and flat light, but 1st pic is near same location as pic above...


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    I want to upgrade my NEX6 to the A6000. I missed out on a great deal around Christmas time...I'm hoping that maybe the price will drop again not that the A6300 is out. If not, I'll wait until Christmas again and hope for some good deals.

    As far as a VF...I have one on the NEX6 but never use it. I don't like it on that camera. My DSLR is a different story. I use it all the time and never use live view. Maybe once the EVF is at the level of an optical...I'd start using it on a mirrorless. I do hear that the A6300 has a pretty good EVF though. But until then...I'll use the screen and peaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    I want to upgrade my NEX6 to the A6000. I missed out on a great deal around Christmas time...I'm hoping that maybe the price will drop again not that the A6300 is out. If not, I'll wait until Christmas again and hope for some good deals.

    As far as a VF...I have one on the NEX6 but never use it. I don't like it on that camera. My DSLR is a different story. I use it all the time and never use live view. Maybe once the EVF is at the level of an optical...I'd start using it on a mirrorless. I do hear that the A6300 has a pretty good EVF though. But until then...I'll use the screen and peaking.

    Question...how do you carry your camera when on the bike?
    I've seen open box a6000 with kit lens for ~CAD$650. I think that's a great deal for that camera. I have a very small CaseLogic bag that just fits the camera and I put the chest strap of my hydration pac through it's belt loop and carry my camera that way. It's well protected and available to shoot immediately. This is the same bag I used for my NEX5...
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    Yeah...around Christmas Amazon had the A6000 body only for a little less than $400USD. I don't need the lens...I have lenses from my NEX6. Right now the current price for the A6000 is right around $500 body only, $650 with the 16-50mm lens. Which I guess wouldn't be too bad to have...the lens that is. For a riding lens. All my short focal length lenses are primes with the 50-200 as my only zoom and that's too big to haul around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nubster View Post
    Yeah...around Christmas Amazon had the A6000 body only for a little less than $400USD. I don't need the lens...I have lenses from my NEX6. Right now the current price for the A6000 is right around $500 body only, $650 with the 16-50mm lens. Which I guess wouldn't be too bad to have...the lens that is. For a riding lens. All my short focal length lenses are primes with the 50-200 as my only zoom and that's too big to haul around.
    I have a friend that owned an a6000, sold it, and now misses it and wants to buy another. He has been watching prices for awhile and he claims they have been pretty stable and not dropping much. Probably because a6000 will continue alongside the a6300 rather than be discontinued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCanoeDog View Post
    I have a friend that owned an a6000, sold it, and now misses it and wants to buy another. He has been watching prices for awhile and he claims they have been pretty stable and not dropping much. Probably because a6000 will continue alongside the a6300 rather than be discontinued.
    I have the same thought but I'm hoping or at least I'll wait until there's a sale or rebate. I did just miss out on a used body with 16-50 lens for $250. I'm in no hurry since my NEX 6 is perfectly suitable and I have my Nikon DSLR...I'll just watch and see what happens.
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