• 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    3D bicycle and frame design
    Hi,

    this is Carlos from Spain.

    My first post in this forum is to show you my 3D computer designs of frames and bicycles.

    First of all, sorry for my poor English, Im improving but I know that I have to study a lot.

    Now, Im going to tell you how I started using my computer to design bicycles.

    Since I was a child, I like drawing (dead people, cars, animals, landscapes...), then, I started my studies of engeneering and I learn how to use Autocad in 2D.

    As I like bicycles, I started learning 3D modelling in Autocad by my own, and these are my designs from those days:
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    As you can see, they are not very real, but I was proud of them.

    The suspension frame is inspired in a hardtail frame: the Amaro Vitti.

    I was noticed that the Autocad was not the best program for bicycle designing but I had not to much time to learn how to use a new program and I continued with Autocad.

    My next project was a Hardtail 29er carbon frame:
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    Well, I hope this post is not just to show my designs but that it becomes a corner where anyone who wants to put their drawings.

    I will continue posting my other designs.

    Greetings to all.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    Well,

    I know that my first works donnt look great, so I tried to improve using Autocad, and doing more detailed projects.

    The next projects were a long travel hardtail and a marathon frame (120 mm rear wheel travel).
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    After those renders, I liked something better and I started doing some scenarios and playing with lights but still using Autocad 2010.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    You can see the difference between the two renders of the marathon frame.

    First of all, the materials become more realistic and if you watch closer, I had changed the rear triangle of the frame.

    I made a mistake with the measurements and I had to modify some parts, and I think that it looks better now.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    The next project was an enduro carbon frame using more complex surfaces in the tube set.

    It uses a similar suspension system than they use in the Cube Sting.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    And here, you can see some of my projects together.

    - Two fixed with the same frame but different decoration.
    - 29er carbon frame.
    - Titanium marathon frame (120 mm wheel travel).
    - Carbon enduro frame (150 mm wheel travel).
  • 12-07-2010
    KPH
    Hi there

    Cool work and designs especially the Enduro Carbon suspension frame- I use AutoCAD for work and in my spare time I have tried to draw my Yeti 575 but gave up as I had too much difficulty tryin to get it to look realisitic.

    If it is not too difficult, I would be gratefull if you could answer the following:
    Q1. How did you do the curves and the changing tube profile on the top tube of the Carbon 29er ? (ie what commands etc)
    Q2. What shademode and colours (or renders/materials??) is you use for the Carbon 29er ?
    Q3. What computer and specs do you have.

    Cheers, and hope you can answer - and by the way, Yes, you spend too much time at your computer !!!

    KPH
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by KPH
    Hi there

    Cool work and designs especially the Enduro Carbon suspension frame- I use AutoCAD for work and in my spare time I have tried to draw my Yeti 575 but gave up as I had too much difficulty tryin to get it to look realisitic.

    If it is not too difficult, I would be gratefull if you could answer the following:
    Q1. How did you do the curves and the changing tube profile on the top tube of the Carbon 29er ? (ie what commands etc)
    Q2. What shademode and colours (or renders/materials??) is you use for the Carbon 29er ?
    Q3. What computer and specs do you have.

    Cheers, and hope you can answer - and by the way, Yes, you spend too much time at your computer !!!

    KPH

    Thank you. I know that Autocad is not the best program to do these designs but I previously knew the program and that was the reason.

    Now, the answers to your questions:

    A1. What I do is drawing the "path" as a single line (straight or curve) and the, I do the sections, for example, I can start with a circle and finish with a square, and then I use the "rulesurf" to generate the solid.
    A2. I cant help you because at this moment Im not using Autocad for 3D modelling and I dont remember everything.
    A3. Im using a HP g62 (intel i3, 4 Gb Ram...), but for my first designs I used an Acer with an AMD Athlon...

    If you need it I can review my Autocad files to tell you the setup of some projects.

    Greetings.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    The last project I did using Autocad was a fixie bicycle.

    In this project I worked slowly doing more details and I think that the result is good.

    After that, I started using a new program, but this is another story, hahaha.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    After this project, I had a problem with my computer and I had to stop my learning process for a few weeks until I bought a new computer.

    Due to my studies, I needed another laptop and I chose a 15,4 " LED screen HP, which is powerfull enough for me and not very expensive.

    When I started to install my programs, I thought that it could be nice if I could learn how to use a better 3d design program.

    And I got two of them: Solidworks and Rhinoceros.

    I needed Solidworks for my graduation project in The Netherlands, but I had no time to learn how to design a 3D bicycle frame with it so Rhinoceros is the solution: easier, similar to Autocad, good results...

    And I started doing my virtual machineshop.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    I have to say that the computer and the sound system are not my work, I have downloaded them from this interesting site:

    http://www.flyingarchitecture.com/
  • 12-07-2010
    Pimpride
    Good job, computer animation and modeling take a lot of time and artistic talent. Real nice renderings and I like the geometry. Good luck, keep at it and save a portfolio of everything so you have something to show when opportunity knocks...
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pimpride
    Good job, computer animation and modeling take a lot of time and artistic talent. Real nice renderings and I like the geometry. Good luck, keep at it and save a portfolio of everything so you have something to show when opportunity knocks...

    Thank you.

    Im finishing my studies in electronic engineering but I would like also working with 3D modelling, of course with bicycles.

    Greetings from Spain.
  • 12-07-2010
    snowman748
    hey a program you might like to use is Inventor 2010. its made by autodesk (same people that make autocad) i think you might find it easier to work with. i've used alot of drafting programs. (i'm in school to be a draftsman) anything from AutoCAD 2D 2010, AutoCAD 3D 2010, Inventor 2010, 3ds Max, Revit Architecture 2010, Civil 3D 2010, AutoCAD Architecture 2010 and 2007or 08. and outta all those programs i think you'll like Inventor the most. i haven't taken solidworks yet but i'm taking it next semester. also a program you might like is Google Sketchup. its free from google and really easy to use. it also lets you bring AutoCAD drawings into it so it might be a quicker and easier way to make a showroom for your bikes.
  • 12-07-2010
    bobbotron
    Those are really cool, is it hard to model the threads on the fixie cog?
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowman748
    hey a program you might like to use is Inventor 2010. its made by autodesk (same people that make autocad) i think you might find it easier to work with. i've used alot of drafting programs. (i'm in school to be a draftsman) anything from AutoCAD 2D 2010, AutoCAD 3D 2010, Inventor 2010, 3ds Max, Revit Architecture 2010, Civil 3D 2010, AutoCAD Architecture 2010 and 2007or 08. and outta all those programs i think you'll like Inventor the most. i haven't taken solidworks yet but i'm taking it next semester. also a program you might like is Google Sketchup. its free from google and really easy to use. it also lets you bring AutoCAD drawings into it so it might be a quicker and easier way to make a showroom for your bikes.

    Hey, thank you for the message.

    I havent tried the Inventor, but I would like to do it, maybe next month or so I could install it and give it a try.

    For the moment, Im happy with Rhinoceros and I want to learn more about the Solid Works.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bobbotron
    Those are really cool, is it hard to model the threads on the fixie cog?

    Its quite simple, but you have to know how to do it.

    Its an helicoil with some thickness, and you only need to substract it from the hub.

    Greetings.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    Well, as I told you, I started using Rhinoceros, and my first project was an urban bicycle.

    This is the frame without the dropouts.
  • 12-07-2010
    Live Wire
    You're making some great looking renditions of frames, but I have to ask, what's the point? Just to play with the program or are you planning on building some of these?
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Live Wire
    You're making some great looking renditions of frames, but I have to ask, what's the point? Just to play with the program or are you planning on building some of these?

    Well, at first, it was only for fun, because I like drawing and I like bikes, so I started doing frames with Autocad, but know, Im collaborating with a frame builder from my place to get some renders of the frames before welding them in order to show to the customers what they are paying for.

    I would like to design my own frame, and know, I have the chance to do it, but I have to pay this guy for it. The good thing is that I will get a good price.
  • 12-07-2010
    charlichin
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    In this project, I started doing some components separately from the main project, so I can use them in other bicycles.

    For example, here you hace a stem and a rear hub (not finished).
  • 12-08-2010
    charlichin
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    And here, you can see the (almost but never) finished bicycle.
  • 12-08-2010
    D.F.L.
    Nice work! I don't care if there's a point or not. The point is you're doing what you enjoy.

    If you set up the drawing, you could offer your service to builders. Customers go crazy over digital renderings, and builders can use the raw data for the construction...
  • 12-08-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by D.F.L.
    Nice work! I don't care if there's a point or not. The point is you're doing what you enjoy.

    If you set up the drawing, you could offer your service to builders. Customers go crazy over digital renderings, and builders can use the raw data for the construction...


    Thanks.

    You are right. I think that if a framebuilder can show to the customer the final product is a good point and maybe he can increase the sales.

    Lets see what happen.
  • 12-08-2010
    charlichin
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    For one of my last jobs I started doing the hubs, and I think that tehy are looking good.

    I have to finish them, by the way.
  • 12-08-2010
    charlichin
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    This is a handlebar for a 29er that I designed as a request from a biker from foromtb.com (Spanish bicycle forum).
  • 12-08-2010
    charlichin
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    Good morning, this is the frame where Im going to put the blue hubs. Ive changed a little bit the top tube.
  • 12-09-2010
    RheXtian
    your talent is so amazing, i wish i can do something like that..
    anyway, does Rhinoceros work on windows 7?
  • 12-09-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RheXtian
    your talent is so amazing, i wish i can do something like that..
    anyway, does Rhinoceros work on windows 7?

    Yes, of course it works.

    Actually, Im using the program on windows 7, and I had no problems.
  • 12-09-2010
    charlichin
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    Now, the second part of the frame, with the rear end and the fork. And also with the new top tube.

    I hope you like it. Guess what kind of bicycle it is going to be?
  • 12-10-2010
    charlichin
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    This is the state of the bicycle today. No more mistery.

    I have to change the stem, that is from the previous project, and I have to do the drive train and the brakes.

    I also have to do a new render with the Paragon sliding dropouts, but Im waiting till I finish something else.
  • 12-10-2010
    charlichin
    Well, Im going to explain this project.

    The idea came from a spanish guy in foromtb.com and I made it "real".

    It is based on the Surly Pugsley but with a different frame and the idea is to ride with the Rohloff, and if there is a problem with the hub, the wheels can be interchanged and the rider can use as a SS with the SS Chris King hub.

    I made the handlebar copying the Jeff Jones H-Bar and the saddle is a "present" from another guy in the foromtb.com.

    I had to make the wheels in that way because if I want to do a real one my computer is not able to render.

    My idea is to make front and rear racks, lights and fenders mounts.

    And the different between this and the pugsley is that the rear end has not offset because with these hubs and the 100 mm BB Shell I got a correct chain line.

    I hope you like it.

    Greetings.
  • 12-10-2010
    charlichin
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    Well, today Im starting to show you my most complete project.

    Step by step.

    First, the tube set. It is a Columbus Spirit set.
  • 12-10-2010
    Smokebikes
    I enjoy your enthusiasm......keep it up. :thumbsup:
  • 12-10-2010
    charlichin
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    Im going to give you another hint:
  • 12-10-2010
    charlichin
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    Next step: the main triangle.
  • 12-10-2010
    charlichin
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    And now, the complete frame but without the dropouts.
  • 12-11-2010
    charlichin
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    Good morning. At least, here in Holland, but only for the time not for the weather.

    Starting with the wheels.
  • 12-11-2010
    charlichin
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    The complete wheelset.
  • 12-11-2010
    RheXtian
    sir can you link me where can i download rhinoceros 3d, i can't seem to find it..
  • 12-11-2010
    charlichin
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    Painted frame and decorated lugs:
  • 12-11-2010
    charlichin
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    I know its not normal, but here you have a render of the finished frame (dropouts included) without paint. You can also watch the seatpost and the stem.
  • 12-12-2010
    charlichin
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    More components arriving:
  • 12-12-2010
    ironman13
    el puto amo si seor
  • 12-12-2010
    charlichin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ironman13
    el puto amo si seor

    In English, please. Hahahaha.

    Thanks, compi!!!
  • 12-12-2010
    charlichin
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    Crankset and handlebar installed. First layer of painting.

    Im open to suggestions about the painting colour and decoration.

    Regards.
  • 12-12-2010
    charlichin
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    Latest advancement for today. It has the wheels in their place.

    Im still waiting for suggestions for the paint colour and decoration.

    Regards.
  • 12-12-2010
    charlichin
    Any suggestion for the paint?

    I have a few ideas about it: clear blue and pearl white DT and ST pannels.

    But I think that maybe I could also chrome the SS and CS.

    What do you think?