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    Some Raystown Questions

    Im trying to make a trip out to Raystown Lake sometime this week. How are the trail conditions there right now. Here in NJ we just got blasted with rain tonight. Are they dry or do they dry quick?

    And what about hunting in the area?

    Also when I get there, is there a shop where I can pick up a map?

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    Chriffer and I put in 40 miles there yesterday, rode 10am to 5:50pm, not a drop of rain by that time. Looked like a storm coming in behind us as we left to head home (eastward) but things were dusty/dry everywhere. And by "everywhere" I mean the only trails we did NOT ride were Osprey and Doe.

    >>> complete trail map link <<<

    I'm guessing it would take a lot of rain to make a lasting difference - they'll drain instantly there and should be good in short order after a rain BUT be wary of the leaf cover on some trails as the leaves could retain moisture and make it slick.

    If you haven't been there before, just remember that Speed Kills and you can rail FAST there and get a nice surprise on some of the black trails.

    From signage on the trails, there is no hunting in that rec area. We saw no signs to the contrary yesterday and a regular slow-trickle of other cyclists out too.

    I don't know of shops in Huntingdon (but there must be one) but the bike shops in State College may have trail maps. You could also print out the PDF I linked above as it's the same as the maps that are posted irregularly on the trails. Yes, there are full-color large-format trail maps signs both at the trailheads ( 7 Points parking and Baker's Hollow ) and at a smattering of intersections.

    FWIW:

    - Baker's Hollow lot is more central, we parked there and rode the south-west side and back, topped up supplies, and then rode the north-east side.

    - Hydro Loop is silly fun, and I think most-fun in counter-clockwise direction

    - Loco-Motive / Berry Patch trails seem like they're downhill in both directions

    - Ray's Revenge was silly-fun going clockwise, with over 5 hours in the saddle. Think about it.

    - If you go counter-clockwise on Sleek Dog, serously watch your butt on some of the turns. There some real high-speed turns-on-crests that can put you into the trees pretty easily.

    The "excessive" route that Chriffer and I took goes...

    Stony Trail - Dark Hollow - Barrel Bay (clockwise) - Dirt Surfer - Allegheny (counter-clockwise) - Dirt Surfer - Shade Trail - Dark Hollow - Stony Trail
    <pause>
    Buck - Alle - Grippis - Ridge - <pause at overlook> - Bery Patch - Loco Motive - Red Legs (counter clockwise) - Grippis (up) - Red Legs (counter clockwise) - Loco Motive - Berry Patch - Ray's Revengs - [up/down connector to Berry Patch/Sidewinder/Ray's] - Sidewinder - Osprey down - Hydro Loop (counter clockwise) - Eagle Trail (clockwise) - Switch - Sleek Dog (counter clockwise) - Switch - Fawn - Buck - [end]

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawndart
    Im trying to make a trip out to Raystown Lake sometime this week. How are the trail conditions there right now. Here in NJ we just got blasted with rain tonight. Are they dry or do they dry quick?

    And what about hunting in the area?

    Also when I get there, is there a shop where I can pick up a map?
    was there last saturday. trails are 100 percent dry when I went. They can take lots of water, and are rideable even in the rain. I rode there on day after 1inch of rain where it rained another 1.5 inches and the trails never got 'soft" it was like riding a dry trail except the grip got better.

    hunting happens on every day but sunday, wear orange if you ride on other days.

    no maps but you could print this one out.

    http://www.boxerscafe.com/map.htm




    FYI on the leaf cover, the local trail crew use leaf blowers on the trails to clear them



    I have never seen that before.

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    You can get real nice maps at Rothrock Outfitters in town. They are closed on Sundays though, just an FYI. But I think you can order them off their website: http://www.rothrock-outfitters.com/d...php?prodid=185

    I am going back a second time towards the end of the month, last time I went alone but this time taking 5 friends who I recently converted into mountain bikers so I am stoked.

    As far as the trail maintenance, last time I was there I was hugely impressed by the cleanup going on. It is quite inspiring, if I lived closer than 3.5 hours away I'd totally want to help them. That place overall is top notch.

    Although I think I may have overhyped it to my friends, I may have come across painting a picture that it's like Pandora from Avatar, but with bike trails.

    As far as the route I took (I only had about 4 hours and I am in so-so shape) I went:


    Park at Susquenock. Buck Trail > Allie Trail > Grippis Trail > Locomotive > Berry Patch > Ray's Revenge > Sidewinder > Hydro Loop (counterclockwise) > Eagle Trail > Switch Trail > Doe Trail > Buck Trail > End.

    I think I will take my friends same route except instead of Locomotive > Berry Patch I will do Ridge Trail.

    Two suggestions, regardless of which way you go: Do Ray's Revenge clockwise, as stated in an earlier post, and if you do Hydro Loop, do that counter-clockwise. The other trails seemed like they'd be fun whichever way you went, but on those two trails I was happy I went the way I suggest. Some locals confirmed that Hydro Loop is way better counter-clockwise.
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    hunting

    so there isnt a real clear answer for hunting, is there. I dont feel like getting blasted by tommy hunter mistaking me and my Titus as a 4pointer.

    Theres no hunting sundays but I;ll be going mid week

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    Donít worry about the rain, everyone is right, there are only a few places that it even gets soft and all it really does is improve traction.

    That leaf blowing was on Rayís revenge, just below that we did a little work, added a little split to improve the drainage and believe me itís a lot more fun going high then diving back onto the old trail.

    Eagle is officially closed as of today 10/12/10. There may be a little impact on Sidewinder too but I was unclear on that. There will be logging done and the trail will not be maintained until they are through and the Corp approves of the way they repair their damageÖwhich means removing the big stuff and walking way, but I digress.

    Rothrock Outfitters is in Huntingdon, they have a full service shop and is the home of the Raystown Area Mountain Bike Association. You can get good advice from people who ride all the trails regularly and they have maps for purchase.

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    Yes, Hunting every day but Sunday. Corps "suggest" that you wear bright colors (Blaze Orange) and they have no intention on closing the trails for hunting season.

    Right now it's Archery season for deer. Also small game and turkey are open so there should be no high powered rifles yet. Because of the trail use there isn't much hunting in this area anymore. There are still about 28000 other acres are hunted more heavily.

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    Echo2, if I am planning on going Sunday October 24th, the trails should still be open right? I mean assuming weather is good. I didn't know if they closed them at any point for anything other than weather.

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    Only Eagle will be closed and that will be due to logging for an "undetermined" length of time. Not sure if Osprey or Sidewinder will be effected or not but there isn't a closure planned and that will be the only way into Hydro. The plan is to do everything to keep them clear and rideable.

    The trails aren't actually ever officially closed other that logging. When major work on the entire trail section is planned signs for trail work will be posted at the main intersections and hope people will use commons sense.

    Sunday afternoon is generally the time you will find some minor maintenance going on but the trails are always open. Beside the excitement of the trails, the next best thing is to have a rider slowdown or stop, just to say thank you. It's also great to see someone rip through a section that was just completed. So...enjoy!

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    I'll be there tomorrow (wed 10/13) around 2:30-ish if anyone is interested. Might be meeting a few other folks as well.

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    BTW, anybody have a preference in regard to direction on Ray'sRevenge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dougr
    BTW, anybody have a preference in regard to direction on Ray'sRevenge?
    There have been two people so far in this thread suggesting clockwise

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    Thanks! saw that after more careful reading of the previous posts. Agree that Hydro is fun CC. Have not done Ray's yet and really looking forward to it.

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    Had the privilege of riding these super fun trails a couple of weeks ago during a transcontinental road trip. Picked the map up on the way out of town from Rothrock for a souvenir and noticed it had recommendations for best flow directions. Wish I'd have had that first although after riding lots of them in both directions, the only ones it did seem to be a big difference on were Ray's (especially) and Hydro.

    Hope those trail corridors get well-protected during logging and thank you all back there for your fine efforts! Hope I can ever get back!

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    I was out there yesterday on the South trails, which were damp but not at all muddy or wet.

    When riding the North trails, I'm partial to doing a large clockwise loop starting from Buck. That puts you on Ray's Revenge going clockwise as well.

    Hydro is fun either direction IMO, but going clockwise starts you out pretty fast.

    Given that they're logging Osprey, I'd avoid that trail and take Eagle back up to the Baker's Hollow parking lot (and hit Sleek Dog on the way there).

    There are no plans to close the trails during hunting season (but that could change). The Army Corps recently did a study using cameras to see how many riders were wearing orange (or a similarly bright color). Fortunately there was a high enough percentage to argue that the cyclists are doing their part to stay safe during hunting season and keep the trails open.

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    Note that there was signage on the kiosk that Eagle was closed as of 10/12, I don't recall why or for how long. Maybe the aformentioned logging?

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    Short rant...

    It is Eagle that is closed due to logging.

    As others have stating that you can ride extremely fast here so please be careful. Most accidents occur on Ray's Revenge and the rangers are called in weekly to this trail. It would be shame to see a place be at jeopardy for someone getting in over their head on these trails. It is very easy to get to far forward on the bike and be bucked over the bars. The Raystown club has been working on this but unfortunately there is a lot to do and they have limited active members. Work has been done on some of the areas to help this but it seems to me that some areas may have been rushed when it came to the layout and spacing of some of the rollers. So it will take a lot of hand work to reshape these machine built trails unless a machine can be brought back in. Just my opinion thought.

    I was up this past weekend for IMBA trail work weekend and the guys from IMBA commented several times about how they dropped these trails on the locals and left. So when riding there take a minute to clean out a drainage area or move a branch it all helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craftbrewed
    It is Eagle that is closed due to logging.
    Thanks for the correction. I've avoided both Eagle and Osprey since they started logging. Hopefully the damage to the trails won't be too bad.

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    craftbrewed: What you say is very important! There's a reason both those trails are lined black on the maps. Of course, that also means they can be way-fun.

    Just, remember, watch out for the signs - if you see the yellow sign below take note and apply brakes appropriately.



    disclaimer: The contusion above happened while free-riding at Diablo Freeride Park on Saturday the 9th, *not* at the Allegrippis trails on Monday the 11th! It was too good a picture to skip though ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Echo2
    Only Eagle will be closed and that will be due to logging for an "undetermined" length of time. Not sure if Osprey or Sidewinder will be effected or not but there isn't a closure planned and that will be the only way into Hydro. The plan is to do everything to keep them clear and rideable.

    The trails aren't actually ever officially closed other that logging. When major work on the entire trail section is planned signs for trail work will be posted at the main intersections and hope people will use commons sense.

    Sunday afternoon is generally the time you will find some minor maintenance going on but the trails are always open. Beside the excitement of the trails, the next best thing is to have a rider slowdown or stop, just to say thank you. It's also great to see someone rip through a section that was just completed. So...enjoy!
    If you are one of the people that helps take care of the trails, I just want to say thanks.. My wife and I had a GREAT time riding there a few weeks ago. If we can make it work, we hope to come out and help with spring cleanup next spring.

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    Hit Raystown on Wednesday and, as usual, the trails were spectacular!
    My route:

    Buck>Allie>RedLegs>Ridge>Rays>Loco-motive>RedLegs>Grippis>Allie>Buck

    Hopefully, I'll be back again in November.

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    I got an email from one of the Army Corp. of Engineers people yesterday saying that they have decided there is no need to close the trails to bikers due to hunter conflicts this year. So that's cool.

    What I don't get is where on the trails anyone would WANT to hunt.

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    I'm heading out tonight and riding Raystown tomorrow. Thanks everyone for the info in this thread it was most helpful.

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    Try to get there early in the AM. At least upon my last and only experience, I started at 9am and had the whole place pretty much to myself. People started showing up in big numbers right when I finished around 1pm

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    has anyone been up to Raystown lately? curious what the trail conditions are like. heard they had some snow up there.

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    No snow but they've been closed due to hunting. Sunday should be OK though.

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    closed during the week huh?

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    yep, just answered my own question. Crap.

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    Do you have any suggestions for local or semi-local accomodations which are on the lower cost side? And where to park if I drive in from the semi-local? Any info would be much appreciated.

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    I use Huntingdon Motor Inn, its as cheap as you can get hotel wise around there and the staff is nice and the place is clean. 10 minutes from the trail parking lot. You park on Bakers Hollow Rd, there's a lot right at the trailheads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XJaredX
    I use Huntingdon Motor Inn, its as cheap as you can get hotel wise around there and the staff is nice and the place is clean. 10 minutes from the trail parking lot. You park on Bakers Hollow Rd, there's a lot right at the trailheads.

    Awesome! A Big Thanks!

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    I couldn't do this from my phone before, but here are the coordinates on Google Maps as to where the parking lot/trailheads are on Bakers Hollow Rd.

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&sour...=UTF8&t=h&z=17

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    We the people ...

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    Only Eagle will be closed and that will be due to logging for an "undetermined" length of time. Not sure if Osprey or Sidewinder will be effected or not but there isn't a closure planned and that will be the only way into Hydro. The plan is to do everything to keep them clear and rideable.

    The trails aren't actually ever officially closed other that logging. When major work on the entire trail section is planned signs for trail work will be posted at the main intersections and hope people will use commons sense.

    Sunday afternoon is generally the time you will find some minor maintenance going on but the trails are always open. Beside the excitement of the trails, the next best thing is to have a rider slowdown or stop, just to say thank you. It's also great to see someone rip through a section that was just completed. So...enjoy!

    If you are one of the people that helps take care of the trails, I just want to say thanks.. My wife and I had a GREAT time riding there a few weeks ago. If we can make it work, we hope to come out and help with spring cleanup next spring.
    Information can be a dangerous thing....just to clarify a few of the statements above.

    Timber Harvests:
    Trails will close when the Army Corps of Engineers and the Friends of Raystown Lake feel that the safety of the user or state of the trail has been compromised. Currently Eagle Trail will remain closed until further notice (this could be 1 month or 1 year, it just depends on how things go.) The Corps. is responsible for ensuring the timber company returns the trail to the state that it was in. (in jest.....IMBA was hired to contract and build but yet loggers, with no trail building experience have been allowed to "rebuild.")


    Hunting Season:
    Riders are encouraged to wear orange from October 1st through the end of January and than again from the middle of April until the end of May. During the two week deer season just after thanksgiving (2010 it was Nov 29-Dec 11th) the trails will be closed yearly, although it states different in the EA this will be the case in future years. Currently the Raystown Mountain Bicycling Association is raising funds to provide visiting riders with inexpensive helmet covers, to be available in the spring season.
    The Corps. will recognize the fall deer season and first two weeks of spring gobbler as seasons where group riding and special events will be prohibited as to ensure the integrity of the hunt and safety of all users.
    The cameras that are mounted on the sides of the trail located at both trailheads, are indeed the federal government watching you. I kid not. These are cameras that are designed to assist in determining what percent of riders are wearing appropriate colors during posted seasons. And yes under Title 36 of the Public Land Statute the Corps can enforce any posted rule.

    Leaf Blowing and Trail Maintenance:
    We blow the leaves of the trail because of the number of grade reversals present on most trails (whoop-de-doos.) If these where not so prolific we might just carry rakes around. However, if you notice several of the drains went uncleared (just so we could make this argument) in 2009 on the Rays Revenge Trail, if you ride this trail today you would be able to clearly identify some of the spots where the leaves built up and blew out sections of trail.
    Also, the layer of duff that is often left deposited in the bankslope/ cutslope holds moisture and will often times develop a stream or rut below the organic material. This causes long term trail degradation and massive erosive issues if left unfixed.
    The leafs are also removed in an effort to define the virgin trail, as our trails are not able to be blazed with the current timber harvests occuring, it would be very difficult for even the experienced user to find sections. So, next time you see a bearded bunch of fella's blownin.....don't complain or question....just enjoy the flow and tighten up on your backstroke.
    Sunday is the time when you will see the highest volume of trail workers, generally in the early morning, signs unfortunately don't always get posted at the trailhead but we try to do our best.

    Riding Season and Wet Weather:
    Winter and snow riding....unfortunately the main channel of the lake doesn't generally freeze totally solid and is often times left slushy...however I will say some of my recent exploits have involved some thin ice and fast pedaling on the inlets. As our trails are not blazed if you don't know them its easy to get lost.
    The wet weather argument seems to me like it always comes from people who don't do a whole lot of trail work on the Allegrippis. Yes if you have been to the Allegrippis Trails it does drain quickly, however this doesn't mean if its been raining for a week straight its a good idea to come visit.

    Website/ Map Issues
    The website www.allegrippistrails.com is not updated as often as possible this will be fixed for the spring of 2011. So check back as we get trail news and closings as well as weather conditions up on the site.
    As for the maps and and best directions, the trails all ride great both ways, if you get hung up on which way to go, you are missing the point completely.

    Looking to get involved check out RMBA or just want to support the owners of the trail donate to the Friends of Raystown Lake.

    Oh and DirtRag DirtFest 2011 is May 20-22nd three days of camping, riding, and demos whats not to love.

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