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    Rides around Philly

    I posted in general discussion before I found this forum, so apologies to anyone who reads the same post twice.

    I'll be visiting Philadelphia from the UK at the end of October and would like to get some mtb riding in. Are there any places I can hire a decent bike and meet up with some riders?

    Secondly, are there any Cove dealers in Philadelphia? I've a yearning for a Cove Hummer but they're out of my price range over here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    I posted in general discussion before I found this forum, so apologies to anyone who reads the same post twice.

    I'll be visiting Philadelphia from the UK at the end of October and would like to get some mtb riding in. Are there any places I can hire a decent bike and meet up with some riders?

    Secondly, are there any Cove dealers in Philadelphia? I've a yearning for a Cove Hummer but they're out of my price range over here.

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    I think I may have replied to your previous post. I'd be happy to show you around the Wissahickon valley. Great trails within the city limits. I still can't help with the hiring a bike part but, depending on your height, I might be able to loan you one for the day.

    Re: Cove dealers, I don't know of any in the Philly area. I bought my Handjob from jensonusa.com 2 years ago. Jenson doesn't have any Hummers in stock now and, as far as I know, Cove still doesn't have a distributor in the US. The best way to get a Hummer would most likely be to order one direct from Cove and try to have it shipped to you while you're in Philadelphia. Given a very favorable exchange rate from GBP to CAD (currently ~ 1:2.25), you'd probably manage a great deal on the frame (or complete bike, should you go that route).

    The biggest problem with that would be whether or not Cove has your size in stock and ready to ship in time for your trip. Of course, you'd also need a ship-to address here in the states. I'd be willing to help you out in this regard, provided you trust I wouldn't rip you off (and, of course, you'd be completely justified in flat-out refusing the offer...the internet being littered with con-artists and whatnot). That said, if you're serious about trying to get the frame or bike while you're here, send me a private message or email, and we can discuss it further.

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    Joe, thanks for the advice and offer of help. I can't believe Cove don't have a distributor in the US, that's just crazy! I'll look into having one sent direct to my hotel, but i may get stung for imprt duties from Canada to USA then. Duty isn't usually too bad, shipping costs are (at least for shipping to the UK).
    Guiding arounf the Valley sounds good. I'm happy to hire a bike if I can find one, but if not I'm just short of 6'2" and usually ride a 18-20" frame. What days would you be free? I get in to Philly on Friday 22 and leave on Thursday 28. Schedule not planned out yet and not all under my control so I can't pin down a date yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    Joe, thanks for the advice and offer of help. I can't believe Cove don't have a distributor in the US, that's just crazy! I'll look into having one sent direct to my hotel, but i may get stung for imprt duties from Canada to USA then. Duty isn't usually too bad, shipping costs are (at least for shipping to the UK).
    Guiding arounf the Valley sounds good. I'm happy to hire a bike if I can find one, but if not I'm just short of 6'2" and usually ride a 18-20" frame. What days would you be free? I get in to Philly on Friday 22 and leave on Thursday 28. Schedule not planned out yet and not all under my control so I can't pin down a date yet.

    Cheers,

    Mark.
    I'm sure I could find time on saturday or sunday (23rd, 24th). Midweek is a bit more difficult, although I could take a day off from work (any excuse to stay home and ride is a good one! ) if you let me know when your schedule is free a day or two in advance.

    Unfortunately, I think all of my bikes are too small for you. I'm only 5'6"ish. and my frames are all ~16" +/-.

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    It looks as though I will have the Sunday free. I have an event to attend at 6pm but that leaves plenty of time for riding. This may change but I'll try to keep it free.

    I'll need to get hold of a bike from somewhere then. I'll have a couple of hours on Saturday morning to find one but not much more than that. Do you reckon it's possible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    It looks as though I will have the Sunday free. I have an event to attend at 6pm but that leaves plenty of time for riding. This may change but I'll try to keep it free.

    I'll need to get hold of a bike from somewhere then. I'll have a couple of hours on Saturday morning to find one but not much more than that. Do you reckon it's possible?
    Anything's possible! If all else fails, I might be able to borrow a larger bike from one of the guys I ride with.
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    let me know when you go- I would like to tag along if possible. What do you weigh soliour...I might be able to hook you up with my yeti- its a Med but Yeti's run big- it has times on it as well so that might be a consideration

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    I weigh 85kg, about 190 pounds. I run shimano pedals and could bring some with me. Apparently they look a bit like hand grenades under an X-Ray machine though, I hope that's not a problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    I weigh 85kg, about 190 pounds. I run shimano pedals and could bring some with me. Apparently they look a bit like hand grenades under an X-Ray machine though, I hope that's not a problem!
    lol re: grenades. If Dan can bring his Yeti, then you should be set. If the yeti won't work, I know someone with an older Schwinn (Moab, I think?) loaner that would probably fit you. Nothing fancy, but it's functional.

    Do you know where you're staying yet? Let me know once you find out and I'll try to figure directions to the park for you.
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    Either the Yeti or the Scwhinn would be fine, if it means I can ride I'm not too fussed on the bike.
    I'll be staying at the Sheraton Society Hill on Dock Street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    Either the Yeti or the Scwhinn would be fine, if it means I can ride I'm not too fussed on the bike.
    I'll be staying at the Sheraton Society Hill on Dock Street.
    Nice hotel, but it's about 13 miles from the park. Will you have a car while you're here? Or are you relying on public transportation? Hopefully it's the former, because the latter is not much fun.

    http://www.septa.org

    I'm really not an expert on navigating the city via mass transit, but I'm fairly certain that you would need to get from the hotel to Suburban Station (<2 miles, you could hire a cab or walk from the hotel), then hop on the Regional Rail 8 (R8/Chestnut Hill West) . Take the train to the end of the line at Chestnut Hill West. From the station, head south-east on Germantown Ave. to E Springfield Ave (you'll see a blue sign for Valley Green). Turn right onto Springfield, then follow it until you come to a Y- in the road. Bear right onto Valley Green Rd and follow that down into the park. It dead-ends at the Inn.

    Here's where we'll be starting the ride from:

    http://www.valleygreeninn.com/

    If you have a car, a map, a good sense of direction, a sense of adventure, and the ability to drive on the 'wrong' side of the road, you can probably follow the directions on the VGI website.

    Or...if you'd prefer, I can probably swing by the hotel and pick you up.
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    I won't have a car whilst in town but I'm not averse to using public transport. I'm sure I can get directions from the Hotel too but being picked up from the Hotel would clearly be best for me. I didn't realise Philadelphia was so big though, so if picking me up creates more hassle for you then I'll use the buses/trains/whatever.
    I'm really looking forward to this. The weather's ****e here at the moment, I hope it's better over there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    I won't have a car whilst in town but I'm not averse to using public transport. I'm sure I can get directions from the Hotel too but being picked up from the Hotel would clearly be best for me. I didn't realise Philadelphia was so big though, so if picking me up creates more hassle for you then I'll use the buses/trains/whatever.
    I'm really looking forward to this. The weather's ****e here at the moment, I hope it's better over there.
    Well, I live ~ 11 miles from Valley Green, in the suburbs roughly 20 miles or so north of where you're staying. To pick you up at the hotel wouldn't exactly be convenient but it's not an unreasonable drive. Besides, you'd likely spend more time trying to get to and from the park via SEPTA than you would actually riding in the park. What fun is that?

    Re: weather... it's been near-perfect every day for the two weeks or so since the last hurricane blew through. Sunnny, high temps in the low to mid 60's. Hopefully, the nice weather will last through the duration of your trip.

    Speaking of hurricanes, the trails at Wissahickon have taken a beating this year. I hope you don't mind riding on/over/through loose rocks, ruts, etc. Overall, there's still plenty of good riding to be found in the park, but some sections are worse than others.
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    "riding on/over/through loose rocks, ruts, etc"

    That's what mountain biking's about, isn't it?
    Seriously though, here in South Wales much of the landscape is ex-industrial and pretty rough going plus I think many of our trails are regulated less strictly than in the US, so you get Moto-Xers and 4x4s regularly ripping up the ground, so loose and rocky is pretty much par for the course in many places.

    I don't fancy getting caught in a hurricane though, how bad does it get there?

    Have a think on picking me up, I don't want to inconvenience you and I don't need a decision right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    "riding on/over/through loose rocks, ruts, etc"

    That's what mountain biking's about, isn't it?
    Seriously though, here in South Wales much of the landscape is ex-industrial and pretty rough going plus I think many of our trails are regulated less strictly than in the US, so you get Moto-Xers and 4x4s regularly ripping up the ground, so loose and rocky is pretty much par for the course in many places.

    I don't fancy getting caught in a hurricane though, how bad does it get there?

    Have a think on picking me up, I don't want to inconvenience you and I don't need a decision right now.
    South Wales, eh? A friend & riding buddy of mine (and infrequent poster on the Passion board by the name of Jive Tolkien) is from Swansea. Small world. I'll have to see if I can get him to join us.

    Don't worry about the hurricanes. We only ever see the last vestiges of them around here (if that); usually in the form of heavy downpours minus the destructive wind. There was an unusual amount of flooding in parts of S.E. Pennsylvania this year, but nothing at all like the storms that hit many of the southern states.

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    "riding on/over/through loose rocks, ruts, etc"

    That's what mountain biking's about, isn't it?
    yeah, to me. But you'd be surprised. Around here, just about everyplace we ride is fairly rocky. Having learned to ride here, I stopped noticing the rocks after a while. It only becomes an issue when riding with people from other parts of the country (or, in your case, other countries altogether). I once ran into some guys who were visiting from Colorado who absolutely hated the trails here because they weren't 'buff' enough. I've read reviews of PA trails written by people from North Carolina who basically said the same thing. Trails are too rocky, lack flow, etc. To each their own, I suppose.

    What can I say? They are what they are. Just wanted to give you a heads-up so you'd know what to expect.
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    if Wiss is too much of a mess (I have heard it is really bad) we could hit FrenchCreek....

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    A friend & riding buddy of mine (and infrequent poster on the Passion board by the name of Jive Tolkien) is from Swansea. Small world. I'll have to see if I can get him to join us.
    Sure, the more the merrier, though Cardiff and Swansea are mortal enemies (It's OK, I'm not from Cardiff, I omly live there). Does he ever get back to Wales and does he ride there?

    Th riding sounds good. Nice smooth trails are good, but often you could ride them on a road bike. You need rocks and stuff to make it feel "extreme". It'll be good just to ride somewhere different anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    Sure, the more the merrier, though Cardiff and Swansea are mortal enemies (It's OK, I'm not from Cardiff, I omly live there). Does he ever get back to Wales and does he ride there?

    Th riding sounds good. Nice smooth trails are good, but often you could ride them on a road bike. You need rocks and stuff to make it feel "extreme". It'll be good just to ride somewhere different anyway.
    Just got back from there, actually - well Guildford really, I was there for three weeks on a work trip. Got back to Wales at the weekends, but unfortunately didn't get any riding in, although I've ridden Afan the last few times I've been back (my brother lives about 5 minutes' drive from it).

    The Philly area trails are a lot of fun, you should enjoy them if you're looking for something different to the typical South Wales ride.

    Joe (Stick) emailed me about the upcoming ride, and it looks like that weekend is open for me, so I look forward to riding with you (even if you are from Cardiff!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    if Wiss is too much of a mess (I have heard it is really bad) we could hit FrenchCreek....
    I'm fine with either place, to be honest. I love French Creek, but Wissahickon is a lot closer.

    The situation at Wissahickon is sad, but it's all relative. The worst thing about it, really, are the bridge closures. One can detour around them, but the "best" way to do so (from a riding perspective) involves riding a few short stretches of trail that were previously closed to MTB's.

    (The FPC may or may not have temporarily lifted the 'no mtb' rule on these trails; it's difficult to tell. At one point, there are signs posted that direct all trail users onto hiking trails that lead from the multi-use down to an alternate bridge.)

    The alternative is to skip certain trail segments altogether by detouring out to Forbidden Dr.

    The rest of the "damaged" areas are aesthetically unpleasant but rideable (given sufficient skill) and, since it's mostly rocks over quick-to-drain sandy soil, the impact of riding those sections is minimal (and certainly pales in comparison to the overall impact mother nature's had this year.)

    I'll leave it up to soliour's schedule and a majority vote. I'm happy either way.
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    Just wanted to chime in on the bike rental, if you're still looking for it.
    Erdenheim Bicycle Center on Bethlehem Pike in Erdenheim/Flourtown will rent a bike for the day. The last time I was in there, they had a Giant AC and an Ellsworth Truth available. Just a thought. Not too far from Wiss at all, either.
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    Ok....did a little recon over the weekend....

    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    if Wiss is too much of a mess (I have heard it is really bad) we could hit FrenchCreek....

    Things I learned:

    It's a really bad idea to go to french creek on a saturday. Didn't realize that they opened the park to hunting. This sucks. Not because I'm opposed to hunting, but because the park is surrounded by State Game Lands which we're not allowed to ride on. Why do people feel compelled to hunt IN THE F$%^&'ng PARK where riding is allowed instead of on the lands specifically set aside SOLELY for hunting?!?!

    I rode up the Lenape trail and passed a dozen shotgun-toting men & boys. Stopped at the park office to check which areas were open to hunting. Basically, everything except the hopewell furnace nat. historic site is open to one form of hunting or another (weapons restrictions in some areas: archery, muzzle-load, shotgun & slug). Of course, the historic site also happens to be closed to MTBs. #^*#*!@

    LOTS of shots fired during the brief time I was there.

    We'd be fine going there next sunday, but it's worth noting that the trails on the east side of 345 (red/white) are pretty washed out too.

    Went to wissahickon yesterday and, after seeing what I saw, I'd like to change my vote. Wissahickon is even worse now than it was two weeks ago. Much, much, worse. The trailhead at Valley Green Rd is gone. That's right, gone. Completely. Land-slide style.

    One of the concrete bridges that was closed before has colapsed. Split in half. Ironically, it's open now. There's a rut 2 feet deep and almost as wide down the center of one trail. What used to be a challenging climb and a roller-coaster of a downhill is, essentially, unrideable.

    The trails on the west side of the creek are in better shape but, overall, the place is a mess. Just when you think it can't get any worse....

    All that said, I think it's got to be either French Creek or somewhere else altogether. Jim Thorpe, maybe? But then somebody else would have to lead. The only trail up there that I know well enough to lead is American Standard (which is now closed).

    thoughts?
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    Right- good call on the hunting situation....We could ride some spots in the Lehigh Valley as well- can guide either South Mountain area (Lehigh and Emmaus) Both are technical, with Lehigh being the longer ride---not so much in mileage, but the nature of the riding can make for a 3-hour ride without much hassle- Emmaus can be a 1-2 hour ride if you get creative as well. If those dont work and JT is preferred- I can also guide for Flagstaff as well- right now, though, Sunday the 24th is better for me as I have a commitment Sat morning (trailbuilding ) ---the benefit to riding JT is bikes can be easily rented form the local shop and the colors will be in full swing for fall

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    ---the benefit to riding JT is bikes can be easily rented form the local shop and the colors will be in full swing for fall
    That's exactly what I was thinking.
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    for anyone who hasn't seen...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stick
    That's exactly what I was thinking.
    Some of the damage @ Wissahickon. Note the photo of the Valley Green Rd 'footpath'. This little piece of trail provides access to the trails from both ends of Valley Green Rd (parking lot at one end, the bridge over the creek at the other). This photo must have been taken sometime in august or september. The footpath is almost completely gone now. Everything right up to the gaurdrail has crumbled.

    The other thing I couldn't believe yesterday was how badly wrecked the wooden gaurdrails along Forbidden Drive were. Normally only a few feet tall, some sections were ripped so far out of the ground that the full length of the gaurdrail supports are visible (maybe 10 feet long, possibly longer).
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    I am up here from NoVA and would like to ride. I brought my bike and am staying off of Ridge Pike in Lafayette Hill.

    How far is Wissahickon and how do I get there?

    Thanks,

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    Wiss is not far from where you are, but check out the damage- there needs to be some real work done there to make it a decent ride again- luckilly there is something in the works that will be made public soon, and yes, it is good for mountain biking---in the meantime, how long will you be in town, Chris? Maybe you could join us this weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    Wiss is not far from where you are, but check out the damage- there needs to be some real work done there to make it a decent ride again- luckilly there is something in the works that will be made public soon, and yes, it is good for mountain biking---in the meantime, how long will you be in town, Chris? Maybe you could join us this weekend
    I will only be here through Fri @ noon. I wanted to try and ride in the evenings (4:30 or 5 til dark). Is that possible from where I am staying?

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    should be- ask for directions to Fairmount Park from the hotel desk- they should be able to get you there---also, there are night rides going out every Tuesday in Allentown (about 60 min north) if you are interested

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    Thanks for scouting out the riding guys. I'm pretty easy on where we ride as long as I'm back to my hotel by about 4pm, but somewhere I can hire a bike sounds good. After thursday afternoon (UK time) I won't have web access so will need to get all plans sorted with you by then. Getting picked up from the Hotel suits me best right now but I'm open to other suggestions.
    I'm planning on bringing my own helmet, pedals and shoes, does this sound about right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    Thanks for scouting out the riding guys. I'm pretty easy on where we ride as long as I'm back to my hotel by about 4pm, but somewhere I can hire a bike sounds good. After thursday afternoon (UK time) I won't have web access so will need to get all plans sorted with you by then. Getting picked up from the Hotel suits me best right now but I'm open to other suggestions.
    I'm planning on bringing my own helmet, pedals and shoes, does this sound about right?

    Mark,

    I'll include my telephone number in a private message momentarily. You can use that to contact me once you arrive.

    Regarding where we'll ride: If we decide to go to Jim Thorpe, would you be willing to take the R2 train from Suburban Station to Hatboro?

    I can pick you up at the Hatboro station (it's just minutes from my house). Jim Thorpe is approx an hour's drive north of there. In order to maximize the amount of time we have for riding, we should try to get as early a start as possible. Would you be terribly averse to jumping on the train at 7:05 a.m.? It's not that I can't pick you up at your hotel but (given the change of venue for the ride) the train makes a lot more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    should be- ask for directions to Fairmount Park from the hotel desk- they should be able to get you there---also, there are night rides going out every Tuesday in Allentown (about 60 min north) if you are interested

    Thanks. I am going to try and ride this evening before it gets dark. Unfortunately, I did not bring my light, so I am not equipped for a night ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    Wiss is not far from where you are, but check out the damage- there needs to be some real work done there to make it a decent ride again- luckilly there is something in the works that will be made public soon, and yes, it is good for mountain biking---in the meantime, how long will you be in town, Chris? Maybe you could join us this weekend
    Are you sure that it will be good for MTB? Do you work with the FOW? From their own reports, and what they mention on their web-site, they seem anti-MTB. Just curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjoseph
    Thanks. I am going to try and ride this evening before it gets dark. Unfortunately, I did not bring my light, so I am not equipped for a night ride.

    Chris
    Also, where do I catch the trail once I get to Fairmount Park? Any suggestion on which trails or direction to head?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjoseph
    Also, where do I catch the trail once I get to Fairmount Park? Any suggestion on which trails or direction to head?

    Thanks,

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    That's tricky, 'cos Fairmount Park is huge. The best riding is in the Wissahickon Valley portion of the park. Take Ridge Pike south to Bells Mill Rd. Turn left onto West Bells Mill Rd. Follow Bells Mill until you come to a parking lot on the right side of the road (if you cross a bridge over the Wissahickon Creek, you went too far). Park there.

    Once on your bike, go right out of the lot and follow Bells Mill 100 yds or so til you get to a stop sign at Forbidden Drive. Go right on forbidden drive. Take the second trail on your right (the first trail will take you right back to the parking lot) and climb a long, steep hill. When you reach the summit of the hill, bear to the left and descend. Follow the trail markers from there, the first turn will be a right...

    When you're ready to head back, take any trail that heads downhill and to the left. This will take you back to forbidden drive. Head upstream to get back to Bells Mill Rd.

    Try to find a map online before you go. It will make it a lot easier to find your way around. Green-blazed trails are open to bikes. Obey trail closures, and have fun.
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    Hey Joe,
    No trouble catching a train early. I'm leaving work now but will check out the timetable and bike hire place tomorrow. I'll mail you with my regular name too so you can reach me at the hotel if I need to.
    If I take the train will there be somewhere to get changed into biking gear?

    Mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stick
    That's tricky, 'cos Fairmount Park is huge. The best riding is in the Wissahickon Valley portion of the park. Take Ridge Pike south to Bells Mill Rd. Turn left onto West Bells Mill Rd. Follow Bells Mill until you come to a parking lot on the right side of the road (if you cross a bridge over the Wissahickon Creek, you went too far). Park there.

    Once on your bike, go right out of the lot and follow Bells Mill 100 yds or so til you get to a stop sign at Forbidden Drive. Go right on forbidden drive. Take the second trail on your right (the first trail will take you right back to the parking lot) and climb a long, steep hill. When you reach the summit of the hill, bear to the left and descend. Follow the trail markers from there, the first turn will be a right...

    When you're ready to head back, take any trail that heads downhill and to the left. This will take you back to forbidden drive. Head upstream to get back to Bells Mill Rd.

    Try to find a map online before you go. It will make it a lot easier to find your way around. Green-blazed trails are open to bikes. Obey trail closures, and have fun.
    Thanks! I am going to try and check it out this eve.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stick
    That's tricky, 'cos Fairmount Park is huge. The best riding is in the Wissahickon Valley portion of the park. Take Ridge Pike south to Bells Mill Rd. Turn left onto West Bells Mill Rd. Follow Bells Mill until you come to a parking lot on the right side of the road (if you cross a bridge over the Wissahickon Creek, you went too far). Park there.

    Once on your bike, go right out of the lot and follow Bells Mill 100 yds or so til you get to a stop sign at Forbidden Drive. Go right on forbidden drive. Take the second trail on your right (the first trail will take you right back to the parking lot) and climb a long, steep hill. When you reach the summit of the hill, bear to the left and descend. Follow the trail markers from there, the first turn will be a right...

    When you're ready to head back, take any trail that heads downhill and to the left. This will take you back to forbidden drive. Head upstream to get back to Bells Mill Rd.

    Try to find a map online before you go. It will make it a lot easier to find your way around. Green-blazed trails are open to bikes. Obey trail closures, and have fun.
    Do you have a link for a map?

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjoseph
    Thanks! I am going to try and check it out this eve.

    Chris
    A few addtional points that I forgot to mention:

    1) Forbidden Drive is a gravel road that parallels the creek. It is closed to motor-vehicles.

    2) The parking lot on Bells Mill Rd. doesn't have the greatest record w/ regard to crime. Lots of broken windows, etc. There's always glass in that lot. A friend had his wallet and cd player stolen from inside his locked glovebox (w/ car locked and alarm set), and somebody once tried to break into my car. Fortunately, we finished the ride and returned to the lot before he was able to get in. He took off in a van. If you're driving a rental car, I guess you don't have to worry too much. Just don't leave anything valuable in the car. Alternately, you could probably ride your bike directly to the park and skip the lot altogether. FWIW, both break-ins occured in broad daylight on busy weekends.

    Not trying to scare you away from the park, just a friendly FYI. The safest place to park is at the Valley Green Inn. If you'd rather start there, you can take West Bells Mill Rd to Germantown Ave. Go right on Germantown, and follow it through Chestnut Hill until you come to Springfield Ave. Go Right on Springfield, then follow it until it hits a Y @ Valley Green Rd. Bear Right onto Valley Green Rd, then follow to the Inn at the bottom.

    P.S. There's probably an easier way to get from Ridge Pike to Valley Green, but I don't know the roads on that side of the park very well. The directions above will definitely get you there, but in a roundabout sort of way. If you're staying in a hotel, ask for directions to Valley Green Inn.
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    no...

    Quote Originally Posted by cjoseph
    Do you have a link for a map?

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    no, but I can email one to you if you want. It's too big to upload to mtbr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjoseph
    Do you have a link for a map?

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    Correction...I do have a smaller version of the map on-line, but I don't know how useful it will be because it's difficult to see much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anand
    Are you sure that it will be good for MTB? Do you work with the FOW? From their own reports, and what they mention on their web-site, they seem anti-MTB. Just curious.
    I am positive it is good for MTB---just keep an eye out for who is managing the trail-damage reconstruction plan

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    stick- shoot me an e-mail so we can firm this one up- I might have some other guys who are interested in going as well.....

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    Hey guys - sounds like a great ride. Not wanting to de-rail the thread, but for those wanting to contribute positively to the future of mountain-biking in Wissahickon, there is a meeting this coming Saturday morning at Thomas Mansion. I have pasted the details as I received them from the Delaware Valley Mountain Bike Patrol several weeks ago:

    As most of you know by now, the FOW hired Trail Solutions to perform
    a scaled back Phase I assessment of the Wissahickon trail system.
    Trail Solutions is a for hire trail consultancy through the
    International Mountain Bicycling Association. TS has been on the job
    for the past two weeks or so. I spoke in length with Rich Edwards
    from TS yesterday and they would like to set up a stakeholders
    meeting with the patrol on Saturday, October 23rd, at 9:00 a.m. at
    the Thomas Mansion. This is the same day, time and location as our
    regularly scheduled patrol meeting.

    I would like to request each one of you to make a special effort to
    attend this important meeting. It is your chance to give input on
    the trails you ride and to hear what Trail Solutions have discovered
    an what recommendations they are considering. Heck, bring your kids
    if you have to! You have advance notice of this meeting. Put it on
    your PDA, your Outlook, your Blackberry, and your calendar on your
    frig!
    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stymie
    Hey guys - sounds like a great ride. Not wanting to de-rail the thread, but for those wanting to contribute positively to the future of mountain-biking in Wissahickon, there is a meeting this coming Saturday morning at Thomas Mansion. I have pasted the details as I received them from the Delaware Valley Mountain Bike Patrol several weeks ago:



    Cheers!
    Thanks for the heads up. And thanks, dankilling for the positive feedback. Where is the Thomas Mansion? I would love to be there. My time this weekend is tight but I would love to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anand
    Thanks for the heads up. And thanks, dankilling for the positive feedback. Where is the Thomas Mansion? I would love to be there. My time this weekend is tight but I would love to be there.
    Good question - I'm trying to find that out myself!

    Edit:

    Here we go:

    Thomas Mansion
    6245 Wissahickon Avenue
    (between Walnut Lane and Johnson St.)
    Philadelphia, PA 19119

    On the eastern border of Wissahickon Park. Hope this helps.
    Last edited by stymie; 10-18-2004 at 07:53 PM.

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    stick- shoot me an e-mail so we can firm this one up- I might have some other guys who are interested in going as well.....
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    Catching the train to Hatboro should be no problem, I can pick it up at Market East Station at 7:10, 5 mins more in bed, woohoo!

    I've also emailed the Jim Thorpe bike place and lots of 19" rockhoppers at the moment. Are we definitely heading over there?

    Can you answer a question for me? When a fork is listed as 17.3" what does this mean and how do I relate it to the fork's travel?

    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    Catching the train to Hatboro should be no problem, I can pick it up at Market East Station at 7:10, 5 mins more in bed, woohoo!

    I've also emailed the Jim Thorpe bike place and lots of 19" rockhoppers at the moment. Are we definitely heading over there?

    Can you answer a question for me? When a fork is listed as 17.3" what does this mean and how do I relate it to the fork's travel?

    Cheers,

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    re: the fork question... I browsed through the rental section of the BMS website. I don't know where the 17.3" came from, but I did see that Rockhoppers sized 17 - 23" come with a 100mm fork, while those with frames smaller than 17" have 80mm forks.

    It's looking like Jim Thorpe will be our destination. Oh, and to answer your earlier question about a place to change into bike clothes, I usually change in the back of my Element (when necessary). If that doesn't work for you, you can most likely get changed at the shop when we pick up your bike.
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    That's great, hiring from Jim Thorpe will save me bringing a helmet and perhaps pedals too.

    I'm really looking forward to this!

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    Quote Originally Posted by soliour
    That's great, hiring from Jim Thorpe will save me bringing a helmet and perhaps pedals too.

    I'm really looking forward to this!
    If it's not too much trouble, you might want to consider bringing the helmet/pedals/shoes anyway. Better safe than sorry.
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