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    Reminder/Roll Call: 7 Springs free ride weekend on 7/12-13

    It was posted in the 7 Springs thread, but it kinda got buried so I wanted to put it back out there. Free lift tickets, free test rides on demo bikes from Trek, Kona and Santa Cruz, and a fun mountain. The trails are accessible to riders who haven't done any downhilling before, so bring the family or a friend and introduce them to the sport More info here.

    I'll be there on Sunday, who else is going?

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    I just got done packing the car, and now I am waiting for my wife to get home. We are leaving tonight, and are gonna spend the night in the hotel there. We will only be there for saturday though. I am pretty stoked that my wife is coming Hopefully I will be dillegent and get some pics. I am really looking forward to this getaway.

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    I'll be coming up with two friends for the whole weekend but we'll have about six others joining us during the day Saturday. We're staying in the lodge. Just look for the drunk and loud foul mouthed squad and it'll be us

    We're leaving from northern Virginia at 5 AM, putting us up there around 8:30 AM on Saturday. We plan to ride all day, drink all night, and complain about our headaches the next day when we ride again.

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    ill be there
    brown enduro, superman shirt, same as last time

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    be there on sunday. working tomorrow. just got the call from the shop that my wheels are all trued up. yay!
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    I'm shooting for Sunday,if it doesn't get rained out.

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    I'll be there Sunday on a silver enduro. Hopefully.

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    they've already got pictures up from today:

    http://cu.7springs.com/pages/event_g....php?event=348
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino
    they've already got pictures up from today:
    Looks like Saturday was a success.
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    it was awesome once again, other than the line, but oh well it was free

    jralz, were you with bob?


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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpionsf
    it was awesome once again, other than the line, but oh well it was free

    jralz, were you with bob?


    how bad was the wait? did you have to wait long for each run?
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    i would say 15 mins or so, lots of people wtih xc ht's who eventually found out the hard way that they needed to stick to xc, one had to go out in an ambulance, in the morning it was empty and after like 4 everyone started to drink and the lines really shorted

    new trails are a blast, super connector is my fave, pic of me on the big table at the beginning in my sig

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpionsf
    it was awesome once again, other than the line, but oh well it was free

    jralz, were you with bob?

    No. I'll be there Sunday.

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    It looked like a great day.Did anybody try out any bikes? I saw one pick of someone on the new Trek Session.Hopefully I can make it up there tomorrow,sometime.

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    en route now!
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    didn't take any pictures myself, but my buddy took a few. post them when i get them

    http://www.jcaino.com/2008/07/seven-...wnhill-da.html
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    We had a great time out there. On Saturday we got in at least ten runs and hit every trail. I took one run on Sunday but quit after that due to the rain. I heard they're working on getting six more trails completed on the other side of the mountain. They definitely need a little more variety out there. I got tired of hitting tabletops and there were only a couple small drops. It'd be nice to see some ladders and wall rides.

    The staff was super friendly and welcoming. We talked about that frequently. Nobody was uptight and they added a lot to the whole experience.

    The only thing we kept complaining about was that there were too many casual riders who didn't have any business being on those trails riding bikes not suited to the purpose. I saw people on old rigid hardtail cross-country bikes, hybrid bikes, and we even saw a guy with a kiddie seat on the back of his bike at the top of the slopes. These people create a high risk factor for themselves and all who encounter them on the trail. When you're ripping around a corner, the last thing you want to see is a woman on an entry level Giant beach cruiser sitting on her bike while she rolls over a tabletop. I'm sure everyone saw the older guy who got laid out on the tabletops who clearly got in over his head. He had to get hauled off in a stretcher and learned the hard way.

    One of the problems was that all of the trails, from beginner to expert, all merge at the end and lead to the series of gigantic tabletops. There is a bailout line, but it wasn't easy to see. They need to create an entire line for casual riders and come up with a way to keep them out of the fast lane.

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    I agree with keeping the trail clear.
    My son and I rode Saturday and I almost hit a dog coming into the woods after the big burm section. Some lady had two dogs UNLEASHED out for a walk on the course !!! One went after my son and I went hard on the binders just missing it and a tree.....
    The other was some kids sitting on their bikes in the middle of the trail after a blind corner. My son went down hard, only time he went down, because of this.
    I asked them to move from the trail and got a "were riding here too" response. Had to hold the boy back coz he wanted payback for the 4" gash in his arm.
    Other than that I had a great time.
    I,ve rode Snow Shoe the past 10 yrs and their bike park the last five years.
    The only difference is 1. I did'nt get hurt at 7 Springs like I usually do at Snow Shoe. 2. I did'nt break any bike parts and have to travel 50 miles in either direction to find a replacement like you will have to do at Snow Shoe. 3. 7 Springs is young and will grow - Snow Shoe's stuff is worn out and have yet to replace broken boards or bad lines caused by erosion. But the major thing we all must look at is price.
    Last year I spent over $700. for a 4 day 5 night trip to Snow Shoe. Thats counting everything from food to repairs and gasoline for the 4n a half hour drive down.
    So we should all count are blessings having such a GOD sent blessing being placed here in our area. I was sooooo ready to sale the big hit bike and buy a 29r but now I plan to make 2 trips a week from Indiana PA up to the mountain. Anyone in the area want a ride let me know.

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    Mcornell, I'd have to respectfully disagree with you on Snowshoe. Yes, it costs more to drive there, but there are more reasonable accomodations available than 7Springs for overnight stays. I'm not sure I see the "worn out" part either. I was just there over the weekend...in addition to great newer trails like Ninja Bob and Powerline, the park side (wood features, etc.) seemed to be in good shape. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that 7Springs is going full steam ahead with their trail efforts, but they are a long way off from competing w/ Snowshoe's offering.

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    I couldn't make it out there this weekend so I went friday. it was my first DH experience. Simply amazing. I rented a Bullit from speedgoat with 661 pressure suit and FF helmet. Great price and the gear was in great shape. I got overconfident and crashed hard at the last table top. I go banged up and learned from experience that the resorts first aid staff is pretty cool. Fortunatly it was nothing that kept me from riding the rest of the day.

    I'll agree that there may be some potential problems with people incorrectly riding the trails. I won't go and say that people on xc bikes can't be on there but I followed a guy with 2 unleashed dogs down 007. I was lucky that i saw him from teh beginning and was anticipating them. But if I wasn't that could have resulted in serious injuries to both me and those dogs. The resort needs to put a stop to this. They wouldn't allow dogs to run on the ski trails so it should be no different for this. overall i thought it was a great experience and will be back next weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpionsf
    pic of me on the big table at the beginning in my sig

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    My wife and I were up for half a day on Sunday and had a great time. My wife called it quits a little after the first rain squall, but she enjoyed it and said she will be back. I had a good time too, just wish the rain had held off completely. I heard the trails got tacky, though, that's good for those who stuck around.

    I mostly agree with some the statements made above. And I'll say all this from the perspective being a DH novice myself and this past weekend being my wife's first time on DH trails. I was riding slower than usual (and I'm usually pretty slow, anyway) so she can keep up and sometimes we got passed, and sometimes we passed others. But if everyone follows the same "rules" it all works out fine.

    Now for the rant, directed at all the people who probably do not read this forum :

    • We didn't see any, but I've heard it from multiple people: the dogs gotta go. Unless you've got a trail dog that knows how to get out of the way of a biker going 25mph (and there aren't many that can) then you should leave the dogs at home, or keep them leashed and off the bike trails.
    • The newbs gotta use their brains a little -
      • Don't stop in the middle of the trail. This is common sense and is common trail etiquette everywhere, not just on this mountain. Move yourself and your bike off to the side a couple of feet and you can rest or chat with your buddies or regain your composure. The "we're riding here too" kids that mcornell mentioned need some education in this area, as I'm sure do many others. If 7 Springs wants to hire me, I'd be happy to be the educator.
      • There are exceptions for this rule, such as if you've crashed and you're hurt (I hope you're OK) or you simply get freaked out by a terrain feature and come to a halt. In which case you should immediately check your surroundings (like to see if anyone is coming screaming up behind you) and move over if you can.
      • Now I'm gonna play helmet and gear nazi here, I hope I don't offend anyone. I know that newbs are generally the people that don't have DH gear (FF helmet and armor) but they are the ones the may need it the most. A $10 helmet rental is worth it if you end up saving your teeth or avoid a concussion. If you like this type of riding then pick up a FF for future trips, several models can be found for $50 or $60. And I've found body armor to be invaluable, ending up with some bruises and minor scrapes and getting the wind knocked out of me instead of the potential gashes and broken bones that I would've suffered if I did not have the armor. Yes, even on the smooth, relatively rock-free terrain at 7 Springs the armor has come in handy. I know this is a personal choice issue, but most of you were good-looking folks, but probably wouldn't be with a dirty, busted-up face (of which we saw several).
    • An obvious, interesting alternate line should be created next to the row of tables before the lift (some berms and/or a smaller row of tables would be awesome). Alternatively, non-expert riders can learn to moderate their speed so they don't go ass over teakettle on the 25ft long jumps. I myself cannot clear all those tables, but I coast in, brake check if necessary, get my small amount air and land on the top (I'm working on not braking checking, though ). In all my runs on 007 (and on the Dominion jump line at Diablo) I've never had a faster rider breathing down my neck. If there are riders who are not even able to do what I've described, then they need to put away the ego and take the alternate line.

    I say all this with the hope that out of the multitudes who turned out for the free weekend that many will come back, which will allow the resort to keep operating and expanding. Seven Springs has gotten a great start, and hopefully will expand their expert-level trail offerings to keep the die-hard downhillers interested. And hopefully the newbs will stay off them until they've gained the skills to ride them. We'll be back sometime soon, and probably will see some of you there.

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    To expand on your above post, I have a question. I am a DH newb but I was getting some good speed and clearing most of the jumps. But on one particular run I realized I was being dangerously tailgated by another much faster rider. The only way I realized this is because his bike was so close I could actually hear it as I was flying down the trail. I became very nervous and wasn't sure what I could possibly do. He was so close that I was afraid if I slowed down he would hit me literally about 3 feet off my rear wheel. Ultimately I found a place that I could just shoot off the trail and stop safely. What is the proper behavior in these situations?

    When i got behind someone slow I just hung back at a safe distance.

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    I never got up there yet this season,but if I were approaching someone slower.I would holler out,"rider",just to let you know I was back there,and let you do your thing.I'd never silent bob behind another rider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dascro
    To expand on your above post, I have a question. I am a DH newb but I was getting some good speed and clearing most of the jumps. But on one particular run I realized I was being dangerously tailgated by another much faster rider. The only way I realized this is because his bike was so close I could actually hear it as I was flying down the trail. I became very nervous and wasn't sure what I could possibly do. He was so close that I was afraid if I slowed down he would hit me literally about 3 feet off my rear wheel. Ultimately I found a place that I could just shoot off the trail and stop safely. What is the proper behavior in these situations?

    When i got behind someone slow I just hung back at a safe distance.
    what trail was this on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scorpionsf
    what trail was this on?
    This was on friday on 007. What makes it worse was it was in no way crowded. I was there from 11 to 5 riding most of the time and I think there were probably less than 10 other people total!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dascro
    This was on friday on 007. What makes it worse was it was in no way crowded. I was there from 11 to 5 riding most of the time and I think there were probably less than 10 other people total!!
    I have a dog, and while he has gone on a few XC rides with me, there's no way I'd take him on a downhill course. No way. I encountered some people Sunday on 007 with a dog...and the lady was on a hybrid bike with street treads. She was not faring well in the mud and the dog was milling about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dascro
    But on one particular run I realized I was being dangerously tailgated by another much faster rider...What is the proper behavior in these situations?
    My opinion: tailgating on a bike is similar to tailgating in a car, it's rude and potentially dangerous (and driving a car it's illegal in most places). Unless you're running a train with your buddies there's no reason for someone to ride that close when they could simply shout out, "rider up" or " let me pass, on your left" and zip by with no problem.

    That trail (007) is wide enough in most spots for passing to occur without the slower rider even having to slow down or stop, he'd just have to move over a little. And I think that fast riders should be cognizant of the fact that they may not be able to rip every second of every run on the green circle and blue diamond trails because slower riders will be present, especially if it's a little crowded that day.

    One tip: don't be nervous if someone hauls up right behind you. They "probably" are in control and don't want to hit you and cause a wreck just as much as you don't want to be hit. Instead of braking to slow down, just coast for a bit and drift off to the side when possible...the person will probably pass by as soon as they can with no problem at all.

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    couldnt have said it better myself pcinsc

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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino
    I have a dog, and while he has gone on a few XC rides with me, there's no way I'd take him on a downhill course. No way. I encountered some people Sunday on 007 with a dog...and the lady was on a hybrid bike with street treads. She was not faring well in the mud and the dog was milling about.
    I was looking through the pictures of the weekend online and saw a woman on a comfort bike with street tires maybe the same one. Initially I'd like to say that the resort should do something to keep these people off. But then I don't see how they could possibly do that, and who knows maybe the person on the comfort bike can rip. But maybe they should put more warnings up. I actually missed that sign at the top for most of the day until I stopped at the top to adjust helmet. They should put a very visible warning telling exactly what kind of riding this is. I dont have a problem with people of all abilities being on the trails but these people are just asking to get seriously hurt. Maybe require helmets other than xc? I dont know..

    The dogs just have to go, simple as that. I worry that some dog will cause an accident leading to a lawsuit and it could end 7springs days as a bike park.

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    people on these bikes also cause issues similar to dogs, like the guy on saturday which ate it hardcore trying at boost the 24' + tables on show time and had to be taken out in an ambulance, a similar lawsuit could possibally follow if the guy is a total a-hole and didnt realize how deep he was in on his xc bike with xc helmet and no pads, and these people also make similar problems on the trails

    imho, the 7springs crew needs to ride the trails somewhat often during these huge days just to enforce proper trail etiquette

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    I agree with that. This is the only Dh park I've been too, but how do other resorts deal with these problems?

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    if you have been to 7springs other than the free weekend there is basically no one there, maybe 10-20 people at the very max, and i believe its like this almost everywhere, or atleast its proportional to the park size. the whole "free" part was the issue. too many people, not enough trails, no trail etiquette, snowball effect

    i have been to snowshoe, everyone there was equipped to ride and knew what they were getting in to, otherwise they wouldnt have paid for the lift ticket

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    Any updates on trail progress since the free weekend? Was anyone there last weekend...if so was the place packed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2000cx
    Any updates on trail progress since the free weekend? Was anyone there last weekend...if so was the place packed?
    I'm probably heading up there this Saturday, I'll post back after that.

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    I was there last Sunday. Was not crowded at all....actually hardly seen anyone on the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp722
    I was there last Sunday. Was not crowded at all....actually hardly seen anyone on the trails.
    I'm not sure if this is good for me or bad for the resort. But I'm heading up there saturday and certainly will enjoy the low crowds

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    I think it's usually misleading to judge how many attendees there are on a given day by how many people you see. A hundred paying riders spread out on the trails, lift and base area could look pretty damn sparse...you may only run into a few people each run. I hope for the resort's sake (and ours) that they are getting enough customers to support continued trail building.

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    Our trip out there isn't until the second week of September so I am hoping they will have some more stuff open by then.
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    I was out yesterday. They're still working on that pump track. I don't get it.

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    I was out friday and didn't even check out the pump track. Did everyone notice the trail map at the bottom of the lift. Seems like they have big plans with lots of runs in the near future.

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    i think most of the trails that are marked on the map are the xc trails that have been there.

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    Well there were 2 maps. One large xc trail map and one below it that was very small. Almost hard to make out but I'm pretty sure they were Dh trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    I was out yesterday. They're still working on that pump track. I don't get it.
    How are the trails shaping up? A lot of riders out?
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    Trails were in great shape yesterday. Most of the muddy stuff has dried out and the Superconnector trail was open. There seemed to be a decent turnout.

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    Be350ka and I were there riding all day Saturday, the conditions were pretty good. A tad dusty/sandy, but it didn't affect traction too much...and a short rain shower probably would've created perfect tacky conditions. Some of the berms are developing braking bumps from all the slow traffic, but they're tolerable (especially on a 8" travel bike ).

    It was the first chance I got to ride super connector. It was pretty fun, I guess the jumps at the beginning are still a work in progress. The couple of drops were fun. The ladder bridge to rock drop ride at the end has a pretty harsh landing for a drop that's not all that tall. A bit of a transition would make that drop a little smoother. Oh well, I guess that's why we ride big travel bikes.

    I was disappointed that the pump track was closed, and when I asked about it they said the berms collapsed in from all the rain and they were going to redo them instead of just patching them up.

    The rock choke and ladder-rock-roller qualifier at the end of 007 was a great idea, that way those riders not qualified to jump pretty much get forced to the easy line. I'd love to see a ladder bridge to a small drop at the point that would sling you into that final jump line.

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    Yeah, the squirrel cage at the beginning of the final table tops was definitely a good move, although I noticed most seemed to be going around it. I can't figure out why they're investing all this time and energy into the pump track. I can't imagine that it will be a big draw. Arguably time would be better spent building new trails.

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    I'm definitely a proponent of additional trails. I was up there during the free weekend also and was talking to the guy at the trail entrance for a while. He indicated they were going to begin opening up the north (if I remember right) face of the mountain and cutting some technical DH singletrack on that side by late season. He said the terrain over there is much steeper with a lot of exposed rock and should make for some more advanced riding for all the guys that aren’t all absorbed in the groomed A-line style trails.

    And I definitely agree there could have been more 7S crew on the trails on that weekend. If anything, just to harp non-stop to new riders or riders not in tune with “park” riding about stopping in the middle of the trails!!!!!!!!! I felt like a babysitter half the weekend explaining to people they’re gonna get mowed down stopping and sitting broadside on the trails.
    People wait for me on the way up. I wait for them on the way down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brainbckt
    Yeah, the squirrel cage at the beginning of the final table tops was definitely a good move, although I noticed most seemed to be going around it. I can't figure out why they're investing all this time and energy into the pump track. I can't imagine that it will be a big draw. Arguably time would be better spent building new trails.
    can you define this "feature" a little more?

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    When you emerge from the woods and prepare to drop-in to the tabletops at the end, they've placed a small boulder (not more than 1-2 feet high) with steep/short wood ladders to mount/dismount the rock. "Squirrel cage" meaning it weeds out the newbies, who are now directed to an easy route to the left of the tabletops.

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