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    Listen! "Race" da Rocks at Hunlocks 2013

    Yes, I said "Race"

    Just a brief overview...

    ...the gracious guys at HCGA Scott, Jimmy, and Ed have finalized approval for a mt bike race in 2013. This thread will talk about, organize, and consume the opening dialog and planning right up until race day.

    Our main goals are: To host a race that "all" can have fun at, and add a mt bike race to our list of expanding races/events that our Moto club has been running since 1962.

    As for now HCGA, NEPMTBA and a well known guy(who can chime in whenever he feels like it)... Rich...LOL are all on board for putting on a great race for all to enjoy. Those of you who know Rich from the Coal Cracker Classic know he is a great guy and very determined and we totally support his race and efforts!

    The race course located near Wilkes Barre Pa, at the HCGA property is fairly new to the mt biking world, and our ever expanding and improving trails have only been on dirt for 2 years. Many of you have never visited the trails at HCGA, being private property it is not open all the time to ride but better still when invites are offered they always come with lots of good times and in 2013 we will continue to have the HCGA Friday night pasta rides as well as pre race rides open to all who wish to join us.

    As far as course design we "will not" run you on the Triple Black Diamond trials type sections, but use a designed "race course" containing: Cross Country MTB type Dirt Roads, Dual Track, and Single Track, so a great mix of all will exist as well as lots of elevation changes and passing zones!

    Any bike shop, business, or person(s) interested in sponsoring or supporting this race can post here in this thread, PM NEPMTBA, or cr500 here on MTBR, or call Scott Olex at 574-2832

    So, now all we need is racers!

    More coming soon, any questions gladly answered, please chime in the conversation!

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    Lee I would love to help out anyway I can

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    Beard, we'll do some work ribboning the course when the time comes. We'll need a few guys in the woods here and there, but you should race and enjoy the day. That's what it is for, to have a good time.

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    Agreed with cr500...
    ...we want all our friends "to race" if you so choose. This race is for you our locals and others from out of the area to enjoy the day.

    Yes, you can still come help and hang if that's your choice. Thanks for your quick response!

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    I'm not about the competition of Mountain biking i understand it is for fun but my competitive juices won't take it that way so I would love to be able to help ribbon, watching riders to make sure no one needs help or cheats, hell I'd even serve food

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    ^ That's great!

    We can arm you with a weapon so no one cheats!...LOL

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    Where has the HCGA Moto Club been holding races? Always looking for a race- hopefully offroad. Or Supermoto?
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    ^ our Moto group is BMER Back Mountain Enduro Riders
    Back Mountain Enduro Riders | since '61

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    HCGA isn't really a moto club. We are a bunch of guys that ride dirtbikes that acquired a bunch of land for us to ride on and do whatever we want as far as playing goes. That ends up being dirt bikes, mountain bikes, shooting, hunting, camping yadda yadda... A good number of us are members of BMER and if you race in NE PA you most likely know or have have raced one of the hare scrambles we promote each year. You will not see a dirt bike race at HCGA, maybe a moto trials someday but no dirtbike races.

    This race will be a Mountain Bike XC race that will be coordinated with the Coal Cracker Classic folks in some way. Some kind of a small pirate series or a flavor of NE PA mount biking kind of thing. It's just a way of returning something to the mountain bike community.

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    Got it- that pit alongside the river. Good when it's good.
    I must get more civilized and socialize.
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    Good job!

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    Good job!

    Sounds like fun to me. I would like to help out any way I can. Thanks to the land owners , Lee and Rich for organizing what I'm sure will be an awesome event.

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    Looks like we will hit up some of the race course this Saturday at the Christmas party/ride!

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    Will there be different classes...say 55 and older, or just an open race?

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    We will definitely class it up, similar to the Coal Cracker race classes!

    Age groups, skill levels, singlespeed

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    Yes... age group, skill level, and singlespeed, similar to Coal Cracker Classic race classes!

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    Idea!

    Sliding off topic here a bit and not to confuse anyone...
    ...another event we are considering is a Super D Enduro format...


    cr500, As we have spoke about timing systems here's something to look at:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/enduro-super-...ts-806959.html

    I like the idea of satellite clocks and transponders, but as you know from District 6 Moto harescrambles transponders can be costly and a hassle. I know Ed B could rough out something since he did such a great job with programing the Moto timing system for our BMER club.

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    Idea!

    Here's your updates: 1/26/13

    Date for the MTB race will be Saturday July 27th 2013

    We will be on Bikereg.com soon, I don't know if Scott will limit entries

    Over night parking.

    We will have all the similar format and regular classes that Rich uses at the Coal Cracker Classic, age groups & skill levels. Laps will be: all beginner classes 1 lap, all intermediate classes 2 laps, all expert classes 3 laps.

    We will have "prerides" starting in the spring, hope you can join us for all the fun!

    Facebook page, please join:
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    This event will be the unofficial "East Coast~Coaster Brake Challenge" Meaning we will have class where you can race your coaster brake bike, no handbrakes or gears allowed in this class coaster brakes only, and it will be 2 laps of the course. So get build'in your "Coastie" Need info? Here's a great site! "Let's get Coast'in"

    Lots of great info here:
    Coaster Brake Challenge

    Rules for coaster brake bikes:

    16 years and older

    One class, any skill level welcome, 2 laps of course

    The rear hub must be a coaster brake, single speed coaster brake only.

    No internal geared hubs(sturmey-archer, bendix two speed kick backs etc.) no derailleur of any kind (A chain tensioner fine). No external gearing. No gears. No fixed gear. A good gear combo at HCGA would be 32/20.

    Cranks of any kind may be used as well as pedals.

    No hand brakes of any kind. No secondary braking system of any kind. No drum brakes, no cables, rods, levers, etc of any kind. You pedal forward to go forward and back to stop. Nothing else.

    Frames,your choice, whatever you can make work safely, but there are no frame restrictions.

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    If you would like to view or compete in "Moto Trials" competition the next day, hang out and Sunday July 28th Ed Roman will be hosting a round of the Mid Atlantic Vintage Trials(MAVT)

    Need more info on this:
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    Encore will be happy to be a sponsor, let me know what you may need otherwise. We will help if we can....Leave me a message with detail. GREAT

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    We can use all the help we can get, thank you very much.

    I am working onthe classes, flyers and getting Bikereg.com updated. I'll post when I have a bit more done.

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    The race is up on Bikereg.com. I will get a flyer together and more information put out there r in the next few days. Here is a link to the registration, https://www.bikereg.com/Net/18397.

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    Well done!

    Lots of classes and the Coaster brake class ta boot Woo-Hoo!

    If you want help in the next few weeks we should clear the parking area of the poles and weeds, now while the ground is hard and the weeds are dead, we can use it for the MAVT trials also!

    Thanks
    Let me know.

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    We can use the field for parking. There are plenty flat spots for camping. There are spots up by the well house for the adventurous. Ray is OK with the field. A Sunday morning moon ride and a knobby line for trials on Sunday sounds great to me. I am looking into t-shirts and Jimmy is working on the graphics. I am also looking into moto and bike high-end jerseys with sub-laminated graphics. The jerseys would be special order.

    Time to start getting out to the local shops and getting flyers out.

    We should clear the side of the turnaround for camping. If we get a thaw we can give Brian's a shot on a Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr500 View Post
    You will not see a dirt bike race at HCGA, maybe a moto trials someday but no dirtbike races.
    Why is this? I mean, if you all like riding moto-x, and promote other races, why not have one on your property?
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    I am very interested in helping lee please let me know I am off Tuesday's and Saturday's

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    A question about registration. Is it beginner racer or beginner rider?
    Although I have ridden for a long time (definetly no expert) this would be mt first race.

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    PHeller,

    There are a bunch of issues that eliminate motocross or harescramble from happening at our place. We have very little open land to provide a start area, we have almost no level land to provide parking for the big rigs that come to our other events and we couldnít even come close to handling the parking. The only open land we do have is bordered by to many neighbors to put that much activity in such a small place. A bunch of us are very seasoned at promoting moto events and our place isnít well suited. Being a land use guy Iím sure you understand that not all locations are good for every activity.

    Scott

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    bilbo56,

    You have already ridden most of what will be the race course. Everyone will be running the same loop, the only difference will be beginners will do 1 lap, sport will do 2 laps and experts will do 3 laps. I anticipate some pretty fast and strong guys in the expert class but if you want to do 3 laps, I'll keep scoring open till Sunday if you want to take that long to finish, I promise. Hell, I'll even hop in my bike and ride the last lap with you if scoring is all settled down and my wife and daughters want to do awards. Iíll bring dinner out to you on the trail with fresh water too.

    A bunch of years ago one of the other owners and I did our first mountain bike race at Bear Creek. We figured we werenít fast but we might as well run the expert class since 27 miles seemed like a great ride even if we were going to come in last. I only did two laps but Ed did all three and they had scoring packed up and were doing the awards as Ed came pedaling up the hill to finish his third and last lap. Everyone just stopped, no one said anything everyone just stopped and went outside and lined the last 50 feet of the loop and cheered him over the finish line. I have raced at all kinds of thing all of my life and will continue to do so till I leave this planet. I have no idea where I finished or what races Iíve done for the most part but I will always remember that race. Ed won that race without question.

    Iím pretty sure that at our age the race for me isnít really with everyone at the event at least in mountain biking, dirt bikes are a bit different. If however you really want shoot for the highest finishing spot in a class that offers level competition, you will need to run your first race to see what a real race pace is like and where you stand. Wow, that was a long non-answer.

    Iíll give the short answer that I give every first time harescrambler. Think of the first race you do as a trail ride with a few hundred of your closest friends. Get a last place start and run a pace that you know will let you finish. These kinds of races can be long and you will pass pretty much everyone you would have with a first place start. Race your first race to finish because you canít finish first if you donít make it to the end. Ed may have finished last that day a bunch of years ago but he finished and beat me like a drum. Three laps beats two every time

    Besides I can change anyoneís class the day of the race if they wish.

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    velojan,

    Thanks and your help is very much appreciated.

    Beardman27,

    Thanks, you are good people. We are always building something and more hands makes for more fun stuff to play on.

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    Thanks for all your support guys...

    ...we greatly appreciate it, we always wanted a fun event in the area that we can all gather, race, and share friendships.

    Bill,

    Hit up a pre-ride if you can as we will have them in the future.

    On your opportunity to race, first no undue pressure on yourself. Have everything ready before hand. sign up ride around to warm up. Maybe a couple jaunts up the uphill to get it all flowing. Show up early for the start, listen to the promoters instructions, find your spot.

    That's when the fun begins. Pace yourself in the beginning, concentrate on picking good lines. Walk or run areas you don't feel comfortable attacking, no harm in walking, sometimes it's actually faster. Crashing burns up too much time and harm. If you encounter a slower rider give them a "On your left" and pass clean. Watch the course directions.

    Remember you are here for fun!

    I have no doubt you will do good!
    I wish you the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr500 View Post
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    A bunch of us are very seasoned at promoting moto events and our place isnít well suited. Being a land use guy Iím sure you understand that not all locations are good for every activity.
    Scott
    Thanks Scott. I was just curious, and figured that you guys were making a wise decision. Wish younger riders would understand the idea of "appropriate venues" instead of ripping up someone else's land.
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    I use to be able to ride a dirt bike in the valley for 5 or 6 hours and never even think of being board or having to head up the mountains as little as 10 years ago. Now you have to shoot from place to place and head right up the mountain with all the land being closed up. It is a shame that the world is changing but it's where we are at. It's so much easier to talk with people if we haven't pissed them off before we need to talk about riding areas. A loud exaust is so hard to get past when talking to people living in an area where people ride followed by trash. I was a huge ass when I was a kid so I can't throw any stones from my glass house.

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    Scott, cant wait for this. I plan on racing but I will also help you guys get ready (trail maintenance, marking the course off or anything else needed to be done as we get closer). I'll also do my best to get others I know that ride to get them to sign up and race....you have been kind enough to let me ride at your land more times than I can remember so helping you guys get ready is the least I can do....

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    "Race" da Rocks at Hunlocks 2013

    Just curious... Why are the expert men doing only 2 laps and expert women and expert SS 3 laps? Typo on bikereg I assume?

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    Typo on my part, I'll fix it tonight. Thanks for the heads up.

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    Both expert classes have been fixed

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    Scott and I added trail up on top of the mountain, it's a combo of smooth Moto trail with a few neat rock outcrops, and green friendly trail with lots of room to pass and flow. Can't wait for the weather to break to have a preride with all of ya! Scott Olex is doing a great job!...LOL
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    I also really appreciate everyone's effort on this, looking forward to more riding and racing apparently at HCGA. ;^)

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr500 View Post
    PHeller,

    There are a bunch of issues that eliminate motocross or harescramble from happening at our place. We have very little open land to provide a start area, we have almost no level land to provide parking for the big rigs that come to our other events and we couldnít even come close to handling the parking. The only open land we do have is bordered by to many neighbors to put that much activity in such a small place. A bunch of us are very seasoned at promoting moto events and our place isnít well suited. Being a land use guy Iím sure you understand that not all locations are good for every activity.

    Scott
    Well then, I guess an Oldtimers Grand Prix race with the likes of Decoster, Hannah and JR is out of the question.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Canadian Chuck View Post
    Well then, I guess an Oldtimers Grand Prix race with the likes of Decoster, Hannah and JR is out of the question.
    I can not believe you left out DAVENPORT

    Even if he is dead. I'm purchasing him a ticket. He might show up!

    Elvis is not invited!

    JR?...LOL

    PS, the old timer race is the next day, only we use Moto Trials bikes You know Old and Slow over the Rocks is the way we go!

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    The original Powerhouse, Robert became an instant hero once he got off the Chay-Zed and joined Team Suzuki, funny thing is Brad Lackey told me the CZ factory still exists and they make motorcycle chains now."Race" da Rocks at Hunlocks 2013-robert-decoster-rahier-1972.jpg

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    Lackey is still mad at me because I wouldn't give him my autograph.

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    I don't know about that, but he is still one fast dude!

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    Added the race flyer...
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    i think it's really great that you guys are doing this; can't wait. printed out some flyers to pass along

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    Whats HCGA? If this is where I'm figgerin- there No Trep posters are signed Hunlocks Grove Association. Can this place be leased out?

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    HCGA= Hairy Crazy Guys on Acid

    Hunlock Creek Grove Assoc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by redheadrider View Post
    i think it's really great that you guys are doing this; can't wait. printed out some flyers to pass along
    Thanks Red, say hey to Super Bob!

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    Red,

    Thanks a ton, and I look forward to seeing you and Rob out this season. We have open rides and we'll have pre-rides so there will be a ton of opportunities. Maybe we can get you out on that KTM. Please put the flyers everywhere you can and we appreciate the help.

    This makes me remember Rich's contest from last year for the Coal Cracker Classic. He had a photo contest on their Facebook group for photos posting flyers at local businesses. With that in mind we'll do a similar contest. Whoever posts the most photos of themselves hanging our flyer in local businesses will get a free race shirt. We are still working on the race shirts but if they end up being what I think, you won't be disappointed. They should be modern wicking material with sub-laminated graphics. They should be real nice...

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