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    New trails at Seven Springs

    For those of you who haven't ridden the Springs in awhile...things are changing. There is no longer the Red loop and blue loop (which was just half the red loop anyway). All singletrack trails are named so you can create your own loops. New trails have been cut and lots of rocks to play on have been included. You can still park on top like always, but now there are enough loops to get 5-7 miles in on the top/front side alone. The old red loop still exists on the back side (called the Race Loop now) for those who want to drop in for a 6 mile loop with big climbs. Technical areas have been added on the sides of most of the trails so you can choose smooth ST or get your free ride (excuse me, "all mountain" ride ) on by hitting the rocks. On the new trails, wherever large rocks are on the trail, an easy trail around them has been cut for those less adventurous in your group. We've created something to keep the all mountain junkie and the XC racer alike happy.

    A quick tour of some of the new trails:
    Piros Path, smooth, fast, twisty singletrack.
    Stateline Trail, Nice rocky, rooted downhill with some technical offshoots on the sides.. The best is the 5' roller drop off a rock leading to 5 to 6 more large rocks connected with log bridges.
    Gulley trail, fun roller coaster section through large, dry creekbeds.
    Fernmoss trail, tight, twisty, loaded with logs and large rocks to play on. Look for the giant two stepper that peels off to the left side of the trail.
    Spine Rock trail, named for the 8-10' long 2' high rock that has a spine to ride before dropping off and onto another rock. This trail also has some other neat rocks to climb/jump off of.
    Two Lakes trail, twisty, rooted downhill with a few large rocks to play on. Some have log armored exits or you can choose to huck off the 2-3' high drops on the other side.
    The old Rock Garden is still there and coincidently, named Rock Garden trail.

    Look for more free ride areas and more new trails in the future. If you check it out and like it, let me know, or better yet, let Seven Springs know...the more positive feedback they get, the more we get to build! My bud and I put alot of time into these trails, we'd like to know what you all think.

    New trail maps available at the Adventure Center 7 days a week, 10-6.

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    Cool, may be time for a trip south.

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    Sounds great. Hopefully I can try out the new trails this weekend. Thanks for your hard work. If you need help with trail work send me an email as I live closeby at Hidden Valley.
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    are the maps free? if so would you mind posting up a scan of one?

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    The maps are free, unfortunately, I don't have the equipment available to me here to scan & post it. Once we get all the trails completed and the final map rendered, it will be posted on Seven Spring's website. I'm working on getting the temporary one posted ASAP on the website though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drnich
    Sounds great. Hopefully I can try out the new trails this weekend. Thanks for your hard work. If you need help with trail work send me an email as I live closeby at Hidden Valley.
    John
    What's going on with the Northwoods side of HV? Is it still unrideable? I've been riding the Roaring Run side, curious about the other. I'd heard it was great before the logging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    For those of you who haven't ridden the Springs in awhile...things are changing. There is no longer the Red loop and blue loop (which was just half the red loop anyway). All singletrack trails are named so you can create your own loops. New trails have been cut and lots of rocks to play on have been included. You can still park on top like always, but now there are enough loops to get 5-7 miles in on the top/front side alone. The old red loop still exists on the back side (called the Race Loop now) for those who want to drop in for a 6 mile loop with big climbs. Technical areas have been added on the sides of most of the trails so you can choose smooth ST or get your free ride (excuse me, "all mountain" ride ) on by hitting the rocks. On the new trails, wherever large rocks are on the trail, an easy trail around them has been cut for those less adventurous in your group. We've created something to keep the all mountain junkie and the XC racer alike happy.

    A quick tour of some of the new trails:
    Piros Path, smooth, fast, twisty singletrack.
    Stateline Trail, Nice rocky, rooted downhill with some technical offshoots on the sides.. The best is the 5' roller drop off a rock leading to 5 to 6 more large rocks connected with log bridges.
    Gulley trail, fun roller coaster section through large, dry creekbeds.
    Fernmoss trail, tight, twisty, loaded with logs and large rocks to play on. Look for the giant two stepper that peels off to the left side of the trail.
    Spine Rock trail, named for the 8-10' long 2' high rock that has a spine to ride before dropping off and onto another rock. This trail also has some other neat rocks to climb/jump off of.
    Two Lakes trail, twisty, rooted downhill with a few large rocks to play on. Some have log armored exits or you can choose to huck off the 2-3' high drops on the other side.
    The old Rock Garden is still there and coincidently, named Rock Garden trail.

    Look for more free ride areas and more new trails in the future. If you check it out and like it, let me know, or better yet, let Seven Springs know...the more positive feedback they get, the more we get to build! My bud and I put alot of time into these trails, we'd like to know what you all think.

    New trail maps available at the Adventure Center 7 days a week, 10-6.
    I've been thinking about how fun this place would be if the right people were there building, sounds like you guys are slowly but surely making progress. So is it big bike worthy? I've only got one ride, and it's made for blazzin' downhill on I'm always down to throw dirt, so if you guys ever need help, and are riding and building on a weekend, let me know. I think you guys are 3 hours from me.

    Have you ridden denton yet? I keep hearing tid bits about it being great for dh in the early stages...get some pictures up!

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    Right now, no. We have a lift operating to get guests to the top and it can carry bikes, but no terrain worthy of dragging a DH bike here for (yet). Hopefully in the future, this will change and we can follow in Snowshoe's footsteps with terrain parks and DH courses...right now it's all XC.

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    Any pics of the new (or old) trails at 7 springs? I've heard it's good riding, but I need to see first-hand if ill like it

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    I'm going to try and take pics some next week and post them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lanceh
    are the maps free? if so would you mind posting up a scan of one?
    I just got off the phone with the person that handles the website. A link to the map will be up today. I'll post the link in a few hours once it's live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    What's going on with the Northwoods side of HV? Is it still unrideable? I've been riding the Roaring Run side, curious about the other. I'd heard it was great before the logging.
    The North Woods trails are in great shape. I rode them a couple of weeks ago and totally clear. If you are referring to the trails at HV( located w/in the resort property)-this is a different story. The resort logged a lot of the woods near the golf course and completely destroyed the trails-many arent walkable the brush is so thick.

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    Is the NW side the area that had all the bridges and technical freeride type stuff built or was that the trails within the property? I was told the NW side was destroyed, obviously bad info.

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    Here are some pics from tonight's ride. Double click to enlarge.

    <a href='http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/17421133571.jpg&s=x2' target='_blank'><img src='http://x2.putfile.com/6/17421133571-thumb.jpg' alt='Click to enlarge'></a>

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    <a href='http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/17421092381.jpg&s=x2' target='_blank'><img src='http://x2.putfile.com/6/17421092381-thumb.jpg' alt='Click to enlarge'></a>

    <a href='http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/17421040099.jpg&s=x2' target='_blank'><img src='http://x2.putfile.com/6/17421040099-thumb.jpg' alt='Click to enlarge'></a>

    <a href='http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/17421022655.jpg&s=x2' target='_blank'><img src='http://x2.putfile.com/6/17421022655-thumb.jpg' alt='Click to enlarge'></a>

    <a href='http://putfile.com/pic.php?pic=6/17421013118.jpg&s=x2' target='_blank'><img src='http://x2.putfile.com/6/17421013118-thumb.jpg' alt='Click to enlarge'></a>

    I'll try to get more next week of other areas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    Is the NW side the area that had all the bridges and technical freeride type stuff built or was that the trails within the property? I was told the NW side was destroyed, obviously bad info.
    Those trails were all w/in HV resort property. The NW trails are across rt 31 from HV and are rather nontechnical XC ski trails-wide and grassy that double in the summer as MTB trails. One HV trail is still open-located between the fitness center and Outback. Short but sweet.

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    Just a bump to see if anyone has ridden the new trails and to see what you think.

    drnich, rode out your way yesterday. Started at the Mckenna trailhead, up to HV hit some really overgrown trails down through HV and into Northwoods. Climbed through Northwoods to Tunnel Rd and then jumped some snowmobile trails out to the Turnpike and back. Northwoods is better than I expected actually, nothing technical, but a good ride. Next time, I think we're crossing the turnpike and seeing if we can make it to Linn Run

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    Too Rass,
    I got a chance to ride the new trails you guys put in a few weeks ago. Awesome. Very nice use of the huge rocks. Did I mention i like rocks. The overgrown trails you rode through are the "Jones mill run" trails. I was able to convince the district forester to mow them this year-was done in the past few days-now excellent. I did this last summer with a long handled hedge trimmer and was pretty painful. If you are ever looking for a riding partner give me a hollar.
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    Great Job

    I have ridden all of them. Really great. My wife, our dog and I are there just about every weekend. They really make the 24 hour course a lot more interesting.

    Also, I am always available to help build and/or maintain trails. Let me know how I can help.

    On another note, could you PM and give me a little Beta on a 20-30 mile ride in the area, maybe springs to Hidden valley and back, we would like to check out a little longer loop than the is available at 7 springs. The other criteria is that we want to be able to ride from white mountain. Any help would be greatly appreciated...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian A
    I have ridden all of them. Really great. My wife, our dog and I are there just about every weekend. They really make the 24 hour course a lot more interesting.

    Also, I am always available to help build and/or maintain trails. Let me know how I can help.

    On another note, could you PM and give me a little Beta on a 20-30 mile ride in the area, maybe springs to Hidden valley and back, we would like to check out a little longer loop than the is available at 7 springs. The other criteria is that we want to be able to ride from white mountain. Any help would be greatly appreciated...

    Chris
    Are you familiar with the trail from Top of the World to the 7S airport? It connects White Mtn and 7S. Stop in the bike rental shop (ask for Matt) some weekend after riding and I'll get you a copy of the map that shows how to ride from 7S all the way to Laurel Mountain ski area. Basically, it's 7S to Roaring Run to Hidden Valley to Northwoods, across the pike and into Linn Run to Laurel.

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    Thanks

    I will stop in and talk to Matt. I just rode from the airport back to white mtn this weekend. pretty nice little diversion.

    Please let me know if you need help with trail construction, or flag me down if you see me on the trail. Orange Santa Cruz, riding with my wife and a Blue Cattle dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian A
    I will stop in and talk to Matt. I just rode from the airport back to white mtn this weekend. pretty nice little diversion.

    Please let me know if you need help with trail construction, or flag me down if you see me on the trail. Orange Santa Cruz, riding with my wife and a Blue Cattle dog.
    The map you will need is available at Laurel Hill State Park, ask for the snowmobile trail map. It covers from here to Laurel Mtn. The trip we took is a mix of fire roads, singletrack and snowmobile trails. Once you have it, I can show you the way we took.

    I'll look for you out there and I'm in the bike shop tomorrow and Saturday.

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    Ok, I got it

    You are Matt. Sweet, I'll talk to you saturday then... I have the map you are refering to, I'll bring it

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    This sounds like a pretty nice place to ride. I may take a trip down (from Erie). Is it worth the drive? I really have only 1 trail (although it's very good) here and need a chance of scenery.
    It's like, how much more black could this be? And the answer is none. None more black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Offrampmotel
    This sounds like a pretty nice place to ride. I may take a trip down (from Erie). Is it worth the drive?
    Sure, we have about 20 miles of riding at the Springs, another 20 or so across the road at Roaring Run which connects to even more trail systems to the North.

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    Too Rass, does the shop rent bikes? I'm thinking I'd like to give FS a try and what better place to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocko
    Too Rass, does the shop rent bikes? I'm thinking I'd like to give FS a try and what better place to do it?
    Sure do. 2006 Kona Kikapu's in 16", 18" & 20". $20 for 2 hours, $24 for 4 hours and $40 for a full day. If you want to ride with your own pedals and shoes, bring 'em and we'll put them on for you, otherwise, all rentals are platforms. We're open 7 days 10-6.

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    Cool, thanks. May be down this weekend.

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    There are definatley some great rides at Seven Springs and the new single track is some of the best around. My last ride




    Here is the track in DeLorme format.

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    is that the race course?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA
    is that the race course?
    Pretty much. There were a couple of slight variations. I started that at the bottom of Wagner and rode to the top. I'm not sure if the race loop starts there anymore or not.

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    Glad you liked it. Please, guys, shoot an email to Scott Bender, the C.O.O. if you like what you've been seeing this year. He's the one who approves letting us go further with trail building. The more he hears from the public, the more we can do.

    We've been putting a lot of time and effort into the trails to revive the Springs as a mountain biking destination. Much, MUCH more to come for next season and beyond (and an unlimited amount of terrain to work with).

    The race loop officially starts/finishes at Lake Tahoe.

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    Do you have an email for Scott?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    Sent!

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    Too Rass Goat,

    I sent Scott an e-mail last week and mentioned what a great job you guys are doing at 7Springs. He appreciated the comment and said there is more to come, so that was encouraging for sure!

    I own one of the condos in Woodridge, so I'll look you up next time I come over. Are you employed there year round?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    Glad you liked it. Please, guys, shoot an email to Scott Bender, the C.O.O. if you like what you've been seeing this year. He's the one who approves letting us go further with trail building. The more he hears from the public, the more we can do.

    We've been putting a lot of time and effort into the trails to revive the Springs as a mountain biking destination. Much, MUCH more to come for next season and beyond (and an unlimited amount of terrain to work with).

    The race loop officially starts/finishes at Lake Tahoe.

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    I am. I'm a full time ski instructor in the Winter. Stop by ski school and ask for Matt.

    I'll be there operating the mtb'ing next Summer, but I can't say what I'll be doing yet. I doubt we'll release the final plans until closer to Spring. I'm sure everyone will like it though

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    You got a reply?!?

    Damn, my letter got ignored. Oh well. keep them coming.

    Matt, I've been thinking a lot about what would be a nice addition to your (our) trails at springs. I think we need to find a nice long continuous downhill. almost all singletrack. I cant believe that there is not a section of trees we can string together and get at least a grand of vertical. The back section of the race loop starts great in the switch backs, but the jeep road is boring for anything but racing. There is loads of patential on that side of the mountain- off the airfield. i can ride from the end of the runway to my front door and never turn the cranks...

    Any how, let me know if you need a trail crew. any weekend but this one. I am off for 4 days in Pisgah!!! Yee Haw!

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    Chris, my thoughts exactly, as well as many trails on the backside that hold the elevation rather than climb & dump as it's currently set up.

    Once we start looking at the maps and design around the "master plan" for 7S, I'm sure I can find something that will please everyone. Lots more free ride type terrain is out there to be found off the back side heading towards White Mountain.

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    Need some support?

    Hey guys,

    Not sure how far along you guys are on the DH end of things but if you guys ever need a petition to show support from us OHIO DH guys there's a good 30+ of us that build in central ohio and we are always down to throw down some dirt should you get permission. I can also round up a petition if you need it, we'd love to have something with lift access or shuttle roads within 2-3 hours

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    Matt,
    I live in Somerset and ride up there all summer so count me in on making/fixing trails if you need it.

    BTW How long have you been working there? I used to work ski patrol.

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    Reamer, as I said, I can't really say much yet...but you'll have a happy group of riders in the next season or so.

    Benjamin, once things are finalized, I'll post here for the many who have offered trail building assistance. As for working there, I started teaching there in 1992, been full time the last few years.

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    Matt,

    I will be at 7 Springs for Thanksgiving and would like to ride when I am there. I was there this summer and talked to some one in the Bike rental place, but I don't know if it was you. I was able to find some of the trails, but could not find the more advanced trails until I was leaving. The back part of those trails near the new construction and the race course should still be rideable around Thanksgiving, unless there is a major snowstorm, since they are away from the ski slopes, correct? Someone also mentioned that Roaring Run is not far away and a nice place to ride (also mentioned in this thread). How close is Roaring run to 7 Springs?

    Thanks for your help.

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    dude it thanksgiving go skiing!!!!

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    Thxgiving

    Josh is right.

    Last year there was almost a foot of snow on the mountian. Me and the wife (and the dingo) were XC skiing the entire weekend.

    That said, it could be 60 and sunny. Watch the weather. If it looks like snow bring your XC skis, if its nice bring your bike. Either way, PM me, Ill be at my place at White mountain itching to ride or ski...

    This PA weather is a real *****, you just never know. I swear I saw 3 seasons in 4 hous this sunday on the local trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian A
    Josh is right.

    Last year there was almost a foot of snow on the mountian. Me and the wife (and the dingo) were XC skiing the entire weekend.

    That said, it could be 60 and sunny. Watch the weather. If it looks like snow bring your XC skis, if its nice bring your bike. Either way, PM me, Ill be at my place at White mountain itching to ride or ski...

    This PA weather is a real *****, you just never know. I swear I saw 3 seasons in 4 hous this sunday on the local trails.
    I will have to see what the weather is like. I would rather ride than ski, but if there is alot of snow, I won't have a choice

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    bergjm,

    Thanksgiving is very iffy as Chris mentioned. Our trails officially close November 1st, but can be ridden until snow making starts or they are covered in natural snow.

    Here's the deal...if snowmaking starts and it looks highly possible for a November 24th opening this year, the race loop trail on the backside will be closed. You will not be able to ride up the ski trails to get back out. You could technically ride the loop to the bottom where it comes out at Gunnar, then turn around and ride it backwards back out, but not finish the "loop". The Rockgarden would be under snow from the snowmakers on the front face. The trails around Lake Max would be available to ride unless natural snowfall is/has occured by then. The entire trail system would be very broken up and unless you really knew your way around, you'd likely get pretty frustrated real fast.

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    Too Rass:

    Someone mentioned Roaring Run as an alternative, but I saw another thread that said these trails were unofficially "officially" off limits to bikes. Do you know the current status of these trails? Are there other trails close by?

    Thanks for your input.

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    roaring run

    Officially RR is a wild area which means no bikes or camping, but people ride there all the time, and its normally no big deal. nice trails too. They may be pretty soggy around thanksgiving. Best bet is to park on Firetower road and hope you see only friendly DCNR rangers...

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    instead of trying to ride seven springs why dont you people try Laurel Mountain. there are more trials at Laurel and you probably wont have to worry about snow and you are actually allowed to ride there. Laurel Mountain is probably 20min from seven springs.

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