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    Laurel Mtn sanitizing

    I was very bummed to see all the log crossings cut out and even some lines in rock gardens filled with dirt to make them easier. Anyone know if this is the work of the DCNR or some XC weenies that need beetchslapped?

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    Say it ain't so

    Thats the worst thing I've heard in a while. Jo and I were just about to head over there yesterday, but did not. We need to get to the bottom of this...

    Matt, BTW. please text me your cell #. I lost my phone.

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    We're riding there again on Sunday if you're interested. Text sent.

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    You noticed it too. Total B.S., the place is becoming a freeway of crushed stone trails and that ticks me off. I know that the XC skiers did a bunch of the initial paving of trails like Wolfs Rocks and the connector up to silvermine. I asked one of the XC skiers WTF? And his response was "XC skiers were here before Mtn bikers" I guess they want to be able to XC ski when their is only 3" of snow on the trails? Sucks.

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    I don't get what they've been doing. The last 5-6 years, there has only been enough snow to XC ski up there maybe a handful of weeks the entire winter. The paving of Spruce Flats makes no sense because it leads to wolf Rocks and you'd need 3' of snow to cover those rocks and be able to ski it.

    I'm beginning to wonder if it's the horse back riders complaing since I've seen a growing number of horseback riders there since last year. If this is the case, trails have been sanitized where no horse should be going anyway. Too much risk of injury in those rocks. If it is the HBRiders, we need to get together and do something, because I for one am sick of all the piles of horse **** in the trails. They need to bag those horses if they are going to ride there. The HBRiders have over 60 miles of snowmobile trails to use in the Summer, leave the rocky trails alone for the MTB'ers and hikers.

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    not the equestrians

    This "paving of trails" has absolutely NOTHING to do w/ equestrians. This is the work of the XC skiers, in particular the YCC(youth conserv corps). Not the kids themselves. The guy who supervises the YCC(cant remember his name) is an xc skier who feels that every trail at LMT should be a highway. The trail behind the warming hut was the first to be treated in this way, then spruce flat, part of Wolf rock, etc. Unfortunately, the district forester had no idea what a rock garden is. He DOES now. The outcrying from the MTB community was pretty loud. He recieved enough emails and phone calls from pissed off bikers that he is looking for alternate methods to repair wet trails. This has been an issue in the past that I am hopeful that is now resolved.

    Last fall we repaired a few bad sections of the trail between the park lot and Wolf rock loop. We tried to minimize the shale, used large rock instead of logs as fillers, and hopefully this will be the method of repair in the future.

    Last spring the LMVG(Laurel MT Vol Group) was formed. This is a group made up of representatives from LHORBA,PORC, Ski patrol, LH Snowmobile clubI, and equestrians. I represent LHORBA on this board and have been working w/ the district forester on issues such as this. Last year we had 4 trail workdays(3 at laurel mt and one at RRNA). We repaired several areas of trail, in addition to building a 1 mile section of new singletrack.

    Anyone who would like to see the trails remain rocky and technical and fun to bike, PLEASE SHOW UP FOR A WORK DAY AND GET INVOLVED. The skiers have been out for all of these traildays.

    This is the only way to make a difference.

    I will post the next workday. Any ? shoot me an email.

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    I've never heard of a trail day. Post a date and I'll try to be there.

    The armoring done up top along Towhee and Lippos is great, but that was never rocky to begin with.

    What happened to Spruce flats? Was there no way to leave a rocky section on one side and pave the other? It's very wide in there and now that entire rock garden is gone.

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    The armoring of Lippos and Towhee was done by us last spring using the technique I referred to, as was part of WR. The really bad swampy section of WR was done by the YCC using the old corduroy technique. Even though is was excessive it did fix a really bad swampy area.

    Dont know about the spruce flat-before my time here.

    When you get a chance, please take notice of the trail between the WR parking lot and the WR loop. There were some horrible sections we armored in the fall. Let me know what you think. I am hopeful this is a much better solution.

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    Too Ras,
    Are you on Jeff W's email list of local riders? If so he always sends out notice.

    I will try to make sure i post workdays here on MTBR in the future. I think I posted some last year-cant remember for sure.
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    No, Jeff doesn't email me. I'll call him and have him add me.

    If it's posted, I'm sure lots of us would come out to help. It's the last good place to ride.

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    For what it is worth, the district forester went down to Speedgoat last summer and bought a Kona. He rode Wr w/ me last year. I really believe he has a good understanding of how much Laurel MT means to the MTB community and will cont to support us.

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    That's good to know.

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    Good discussion

    Dr nich...

    I'm on Jeffs list so I must have nissed the email. I'll make sure he keeps me informed as I would gladly help keep Laurel cool. Thanks for all you hard work and commitment.

    Matt,

    Thanks for the offer. We are heading to Mohican in OH this sunday to ride with some of Joana's teammates, and to get a preride in for the Mohican 100. Keep me in the loop though...

    chris

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    I was just up there yesterday for my first real mountain bilking excursion. I rode the wolf rocks trail out the the rocks, then took the loop back. I'm officially hooked now. Where can I find more trails like this?

    Also I would be willing to help out with some trail conservation efforts. I live in Pittsburgh, let me know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drnich
    in addition to building a 1 mile section of new singletrack.

    John
    Are you talking about the section of fish run at the top that parallels the road? That is a nice section of trail. I liked how it twists and turns its way to the parking lot and included some log overs and tight maneuvers over rock armoring.

    I don't get to ride there often as I live in eastern section of the state but it is a great place to ride and bring my bike any time I am out that way. I do agree w/ the op, and others who noted, that some sections seemed to be dumbed down, especially the wolfs rocks loop. Good to hear that mtb's have joined together to help keep the true nature of the trails and yet maintain them in a responsible manner. I
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    Yes, that is the new section of Fish Run we built last spring. Built by bikers from LHORBA, PORC and PTAG and a few others.

    I forgot to mention about the logs. Most of the trails at Laurel MT have as their primary designation XC ski trails. According to DCNR, all trails that are not labeled as "Expert MTB" are to have deadfall removed. This is not just at LMT. all state trails are to be done this way when doing trail maintenance.

    The expert trails at LMT are pretty well protected, as LHORBA built most if not all of them, and they have a primary designation as MTB trail.

    Again, anyone concerned about these trails should join LHORBA, PORC and or PTAG, and come out for trail work.

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    DR,

    Rode Wolf Rocks yesterday for the first time this year. Nice job on armoring those swampy areas.

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    I am moving to Pittsburgh this summer and you guys have me interested in Laurel Mt now, I was wondering if any of you have pictures of the wolf rocks trail?

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    I don't have any pics of Wolf Rocks. WR is just one of many great trails at Laurel. Once you're here, shoot me a PM, your welcome to hook up with our group and we'll show you around Laurel.

    Any idea where in PGH you're moving to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Too Rass Goat
    I don't have any pics of Wolf Rocks. WR is just one of many great trails at Laurel. Once you're here, shoot me a PM, your welcome to hook up with our group and we'll show you around Laurel.

    Any idea where in PGH you're moving to?
    I am 90% sure that I will be in the Monroeville area, sometime between July and the end of August. I have alot of friends in that area.
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    MVille will be about an hour, maybe hour and ten minutes from Laurel.

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    Tell me more about these wolf rocks, sounds cool... Where should I park? Is the loop easy to follow? What are the trails like? Rocky, rooty, smooth...

    Thanks,
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    Here's a map.

    Its definitely on the rocky side. It's actually marked on the map as a hiking trail. If I had to take a stab about how this area was formed, I'd say that this was all of the rocks pushed forward by glaciers. The trail markers are colored paint on the trees. Its really easy to follow. Parking would be at Laurel Summit State Park.

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    Wolfs Rocks & Fish Run Pics

    Quote Originally Posted by keith13
    I am moving to Pittsburgh this summer and you guys have me interested in Laurel Mt now, I was wondering if any of you have pictures of the wolf rocks trail?

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    Had a wedding in Pburgh this weekend. Stopped at LM along the way and took some pics. To much fun to take many more.




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    Thanks for those pics, although I wasn't the guy asking for them! We rode Laurel damn near every weekend when we lived in the 'burgh (up until '02). Broke my first helmet up there. Even living down here in WV, I still miss Laurel Mt. While Slatyfork is a "mecca" and all, our families are back in PA. We just had our first child two months back and realize that we're ready to head back to civilization, where one can find restaurants, intelligent conversation, and more folks with teeth and full sets of chromosomes. We're looking at Ligonier. We would still get the mountain feel and be about equal distance between families.

    Couple of questions:

    Is the Pie Shoppe in Laughlintown still there? How about that great diner (can't remember the name) in Ligonier? Heard there were some new trails added across from WR (Fish Run, maybe?). Are they accessible from WR? What's up with open-again-closed-again ski area?

    It might be a year until we get everything in place to move but I'm looking forward to rolling around Laurel Mt again.

    Edit: Guess I should have looked at that map first...scratch the Fish Run question...
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    It is as you left it...only better

    Pie shop- check, diner- check,Fish run- exceptional

    Tons of great new expert trails too. We rode to laurel on Saturday from Hidden valley to ride with matt- aka Too rass. He is a great rider and good source of local knowledge.

    I can assure you that the local mtb scene is strong. there are so meany great places to ride, and so many good people riding.

    the crews from LHORBA, PTAG, PORC, speedgoat, dirt rag etc. do a great job of organizing work days, maintaining and preserving access to trails. Theresorts are stepping up and investing in some gravity riding. If the skiing were better, the laurel highlands would be damn near perfect.

    If you move back, I think you will be pleasantly suprised.

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    We spent two hours at HV talking to the crew after we left LM. There's some really cool stuff about to develop there.

    The 34 lb. 6" Norco SIX's are fricking sweet!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xjoex
    Tell me more about these wolf rocks, sounds cool... Where should I park? Is the loop easy to follow? What are the trails like? Rocky, rooty, smooth...

    Thanks,
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    Wolfs Rocks is a great trail. Approx a 4-5 mile loop. Trail is ROCKY. Big rocks, little rocks, baby heads. So many rocks that one might even tire of riding rocks.

    Park at Laurel summit state park. The back parking lot is the trailhead for WR. Take the trail in the back l corner to the loop. tAt the intersection, sharp left is Hobblebush, right is Spruce Flats. Wr is kinda straight across-left and right. I prefer going clockwise. Anyways it is pretty tough to get lost.

    Pick up a map at the kiosk.

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    Well you did say rocks!

    what a blast, I was little worried as this was the first ride for the girl friend on her new bike but we both loved it (so much we did it a couple times) she is very proud of battle marks on her cranks and peddles.

    It was a challenge for us to keep our speed up enough on some of the uphill rocky sections, to slow and over I would go

    thanks
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    Wolfs Rocks is a great trail. Approx a 4-5 mile loop. Trail is ROCKY. Big rocks, little rocks, baby heads. So many rocks that one might even tire of riding rocks.

    Park at Laurel summit state park. The back parking lot is the trailhead for WR. Take the trail in the back l corner to the loop. tAt the intersection, sharp left is Hobblebush, right is Spruce Flats. Wr is kinda straight across-left and right. I prefer going clockwise. Anyways it is pretty tough to get lost.

    Pick up a map at the kiosk.

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    Laurel Mountain Vol Group workday

    The LMVG will be hosting a workday on June 28 starting at 10 am. Meet at the snowmobile parking lot at the summit of RT 31. This day will be dedicated to state forest trails south of the PA turnpike, There is a workday scheduled for July 26 at Laurel MT and Oct 18.

    There has been a lot of complaining from bikers as to how trails are being repaired in FSF. This is an opportunity to get involcved and help shape the future of trails in the area. Otherwise the XC skiers will have their way and every trail will resemble the turnpike.

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    What ST is legal to ride South of the Pike? That's all LHHT and snowmobile trails.

    July 26 and Oct 8, check. Update us on when/where I put the 26th on my calendar.

    If you get a chance soon, call down to the ski shop at HV and talk to Andy, they need some help and I think you can point them in the right direction.

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    On this particular workday we will be improving trails in RRNA, Jones Mill Run, the North Woods, and Mountains Streams.

    All are trails that are open to bikes w/ the exception of RRNA. Last year at this workday we only worked on RRNA. I had considered not going as I was still bitter about the closure of RRNA to bikes. Jeff W kinda talked me into it and I went anyways.I did a lot of tongue biting, seeing and working on these awesome trails that were CLOSED to me and my bike. But I think that it did a lot of good for local trail advocacy as the District forester saw a bunch of bikers busting their ass on trails that we had been banned from.

    Even though these trails S of the TP arent quite Laurel MT, they are still a pretty good place for an afterwork ride.

    JMR has approx 6 miles of singletrack.
    NW has somewhere between 10-15. Although grassy and wide, a singletrack is emerging.
    Mount Streams has over 10.

    Jeff W and I have been working with/pestering the DF for more trails in the JMR area. In particular, a trail that would connect JMR w/ the Springs. When this finally happens, we will be only a hop, skip and a jump from a conntection between 7S and Laurel MT. We need support from the MTB community to make this happen.

    This is the time to take one for the team and I believe good things will happen.

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