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    Hunting on Sundays

    ----Posted on bikevmb.com. Please understand, I am not personally against hunting, but I do think it is important that other outdoors pursuits get at least ONE day during hunting season to feel safe in their pursuits. Accidents happen, even when wearing blaze orange. I have mailed my reps, please voice your opinons to yours--------

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    HB 779 SUNDAY HUNTING

    There are 3 million hikers in Pennsylvania, plus 621,000 backpackers. Add the 1.4 million wildlife-watchers who enjoy our forests and you have a pretty good resident constituency of forest-users. That's not even counting the many others who visit our state to hike, go birding and stroll on our thousands of miles of footpaths.

    The economic value of those numbers far outweigh that of our one million hunters.
    But we're not as vocal as the hunters. This has to change, or the woods won't be as quiet anymore on Sundays.

    HB 779 was introduced on March 19.
    It would repeal the prohibition on Sunday Hunting.

    Please contact your legislator by going to http://www.legis.state.pa.us/

    1 ] Type your zip code in the upper-right hand corner
    2 ] It will then provide the name, address, e-mail and phone number of your State Representative and Senator.

    Tell him or her what you think about Sunday Hunting. Make it well-thought out and original. You might mention that hikers maintain the trails (KTA provides over 30,000 hours of trail maintenance per year - much of that on Sundays).
    In addition Sunday is the only day that many of us have to enjoy the trails.

    Oh, and be sure to mention that you're a constituent - and you vote. You might also specifically request that your representative keep you updated on the bill.

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    This is a tough one

    SGL are bought and maintained with funds from license fees.

    However, the argument for Sunday hunting has created a split in the hunting community. There are as many arguing for it as against it.

    Trying to create access to SGL's for activites not related to hunting opens up a whole other can of worms. Eventually the discussion turns to some sort of use permit that individuals would have to purchase for hiking, biking, etc.

    I'm not sure what the answer is. I hunt and bike. I'd prefer not to see the state allow hunting on Sunday.

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    Bob- I can see where you're coming from for the SGL part, but I think thats a separate issue- this affects EVERY property where hunting is allowed, including state parks and forests that are not SGL, private property where we have been granted access to ride, etc.... I know the whole 'shared use' issue is an extremely touchy one, but this would allow hunters to be on any valid property on Sundays at the same time I am out there trying to enjoy my ride. Or others are out there with their kids hiking. Or folks are riding their horses. You get the idea...I think this one goes beyond the 'shared use of SGL lands' issue and affects a much wider scope. Thats why I think this one is so important.

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    first off, im against sunday hunting too, I would like a day to ride in the state forest without the risk of being shot. BUT, we need to consider where no hunting on Sundays got started. It was not to give other forest users a day to use the trails etc without fear of getting shot, it was one of the old Pennsylvania "Blue laws" prohibiting many actions on Sunday because of religous beliefs. The vast majority of them have gone away and there is a valid argument for this one to go away too based on why it was originally imposed. Again, im all for keeping no hunting on Sundays but its important to understand the history as well

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    I did my part and sent both an email. Fahn

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmba guy
    first off, im against sunday hunting too, I would like a day to ride in the state forest without the risk of being shot. BUT, we need to consider where no hunting on Sundays got started. It was not to give other forest users a day to use the trails etc without fear of getting shot, it was one of the old Pennsylvania "Blue laws" prohibiting many actions on Sunday because of religous beliefs. The vast majority of them have gone away and there is a valid argument for this one to go away too based on why it was originally imposed. Again, im all for keeping no hunting on Sundays but its important to understand the history as well
    I understand the history as well, but its just that, history. Now there is a new and valid reason to not have hunting on Sundays. That is my point entirely. To allow hunting on Sundays because the original reason is no longer considered 'valid' ignores the new reasons for why it is now valid to designate a day where other recreational users can enjoy nature without fear of being involved at the wrong end of a hunting accident. Not to mention the inevitable conflicts that will occur between hunters and other recreationalists. If everyone on both sides is interested in a two-way dialog and working together, I dont see this as a major issue. If it becomes a major issue, it is because someone is not willing to compromise. I would consider one day a week extremely reasonable -hopefully others agree and are vocal about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob_Element50
    SGL are bought and maintained with funds from license fees.
    This has been discussed here more times than I can count. Majority of PGC funding and SGL management budget does not come from hunting license fees. It comes, first and foremost, from the federal government (under guise of funds, ironically, earmarked for 'wildlife habitat preservation') and from taxes on the sale of ammunition.
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    Last time this issue came up as a bill (2003) I wrote my state house and senate reps. One was dismissive and the other sent back a personal letter, told me he already agreed with me and advices me to write the chair of the comittee voting on the bill. I have the info of who they were at home.

    The helpful one also told me Sunday hunting has always been pushed by the democratic party and hindered by the GOP? Why? The GOP was just listening to the housing developers. Now that the control of the PA leg has happened, I assume there is no hope and Sunday hunting will come. Sorry to sound hopeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymo853
    The helpful one also told me Sunday hunting has always been pushed by the democratic party and hindered by the GOP? Why? The GOP was just listening to the housing developers. Now that the control of the PA leg has happened, I assume there is no hope and Sunday hunting will come. Sorry to sound hopeless.

    You lost me. Why do housing developers care if there's hunting on sunday?
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    [SIZE="3"]Com'on Guys:

    You know how it works!

    Money = Power, and Control!

    So pony up to you Lobbyist and get spending!

    Otherwise it's just all BLA.. BLA.. BLA.. BLA.. BLA........................................
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    [SIZE="5"]What are you worried about? It will be interesting to see all the Quads Guys out on Sundays while Hunters are trying to HUNT![/SIZE]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proformance Cycle
    [SIZE="3"]Com'on Guys:

    You know how it works!

    Money = Power, and Control!

    So pony up to you Lobbyist and get spending!

    Otherwise it's just all BLA.. BLA.. BLA.. BLA.. BLA........................................
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    [SIZE="5"]What are you worried about? It will be interesting to see all the Quads Guys out on Sundays while Hunters are trying to HUNT![/SIZE]

    [SIZE="7"]Holy CRAP, Lee. Are the giantfonts and colors really necessary????[/SIZE]

    Maybe it's just me, but it reads like the internet equivalent of using crayon to write letters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stick
    [SIZE="7"]Holy CRAP, Lee. Are the giantfonts and colors really necessary????[/SIZE]

    Maybe it's just me, but it reads like the internet equivalent of using crayon to write letters.
    Stick:

    [SIZE="5"][SIZE="4"]SORRY[/SIZE][/SIZE]

    [SIZE="3"] Holy GOD the thing just found a MIND of it's own! I hit the 4 and it went to Hyper Space!

    Glad I didn't type in CAPS!

    Oh well, The quad trains will be out in force on Sundays with 108db Exhaust. I am one of those who rides.(quietly and respectfully) I feel there is enough space for everyone. Just not enough Time!

    I stick to private and non hunting lands in the season! We each can't have all, but we can have some of it some of the time!
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    this again?

    Come on! Let the hunters have their 2 Sundays in eary December. I bet that after they find out that an extra day a week will not help to bag that buck, They will stay home to watch the Eagles screw up again, anyway. Beware those camo archery hunters. A broadhead in your quadacept can limit your climbing ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    There are 3 million hikers in Pennsylvania, plus 621,000 backpackers. Add the 1.4 million wildlife-watchers who enjoy our forests and you have a pretty good resident constituency of forest-users. That's not even counting the many others who visit our state to hike, go birding and stroll on our thousands of miles of footpaths.
    Dan - just curious where this originally came from?
    It's a shame we can't put a figure on the number of mtb'ers in PA, and the economic impact they have. As somebody said, it may ulitmately come down to $$.

    Mike K. - if you read the bill, it is not limited to 2 weeks. It simply repeals the ban on Sunday hunting. Period.

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    Good job!

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    It seems they do it a little different in this state.

    Read and absorb .
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    Quote Originally Posted by GT_guy
    Dan - just curious where this originally came from?
    It's a shame we can't put a figure on the number of mtb'ers in PA, and the economic impact they have. As somebody said, it may ulitmately come down to $$.

    Mike K. - if you read the bill, it is not limited to 2 weeks. It simply repeals the ban on Sunday hunting. Period.
    It was posted on bikevmb.com, and I believe the original infomration came from the KTA hiking group.

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    Mike K was referring to rifle season. There are only two weeks of rifle. Unless you count the under 16 and over 65 season, i think they get an extra few days or something. (i would stay out of the woods when the excitable kids and incontinent old men are in the woods.) otherwise you have 1.5 months of archery in october and november, two weeks in december for rifle, 1.5 months in jan and feb. for muzzleloaders, and May is turkey season till 12pm.

    The economic impact of powerbars, gatoraide, and spandex, and bikes made in Taiwan just cant compare to guns, 4 wheel drives, 4 wheelers, ammo, licenses, BEER, porno, Mullet hair cuts, baked beans etc..

    (next section is general comment not meant for you gt guy)
    Personally i hunt and ride (i ride more than i hunt by far) Sunday hunting is going to happen sooner or later (most states already have it anyway). Just be smart and dont ride in rifle season if you are concerned about your safety(as you should be). If you cant take 2 weeks off from riding then you have issues! I would suggest getting a road bike. there are few muzzleloader hunters in pa and it is usually cold and miserable in january and february anyway so you dont loose much, if you do ride then then have at it. Turkey season in may is only really busy for 1 or 2 weeks then everyone quits. I say ride away and I am a turkey hunter.

    I say ride your state forests, state parks etc. hunters should either be prepared to see bikers, hikers, and riders on a designated bike trail system in a forest, or live with disappointment. If they dont like it, hunt somewhere else where there isnt a designated trail system. I did and i only got mad when a horse rider rolled through on an illegal trail where i was legally hunting. It is the equivalent of someone throwing nails on a bike path...it is stupid and just ruins your day and you just want to give someone a beatdown.

    Stay off game lands when it is hunting season b/c it is the right thing to do. usually there are trails that you can ride which are nothing more than dirt access roads. I have never seen legal singletrack in pa on a gamelands. Not saying there isnt any, just saying i never saw it.

    Also think of it this way, (role reversal) if you had only two weekends to ride your full suspension mountainbike and the one place you could get out and practice your sport/hobby/passion with that specific bike had hunters all over the place shooting like crazy, even though they could hunt all year long, how jacked would you be? would you not feel cheated and p!ssed off? If you say no you are lying.

    I wonder.... if pro hunting groups proposed a law saying that mt bikers, hikers, and equestrians couldnt use the forests on saturdays b/c it messes up their hunting how would that go over on these message boards....i guess that is how they feel when people band together to stop them from trying to hunt on sundays so they can ride their bikes and horses. they have just as much right to use the woods as you me or anyone else, and i have no problem letting people hunt (i dont rifle hunt) for a few weeks out of the year when the conditions are at their worst and most miserable. Suck it up and ride a road bike for two weeks .
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    defCon4 nails it

    Let's all leave the hunters be. To be honest, I'm not afraid to ride in rifle season. I wear a blaze orange vest and ride. I leave the dogs at home, of course, and I avoid areas of know hunter activity. Still I ride.
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    Good job!

    "Quote"

    "and incontinent old men are in the woods."

    Leads us to the saying:


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    I too fear it will come to pass eventually. There is too much $$$ behind it. I hunt and have always been involved in other outdoor activities as well. I always felt that I should have one day a week to take my dog for a walk, go for a hike, ride my bike, snow shoeing or what ever I felt like doing, without having to worry about being shot. Since I have been involved with both sides, I always respect the hunters and stay out of the woods 6 days and enjoy my safety doing other stuff on Sundays. If Sunday hunting comes to pass, I think I'll say screw it and ride, hike whatever whenever it suites me. No reason to wait till Sunday, since every day became a Sunday. Sure I'll wear full orange and piss alot of hunters off,but that will be the price they pay to be able to hunt 7 days a week. So in a way it will also be adding 6 days a week when I will do what I want.

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    Point Taken

    Quote Originally Posted by dankilling
    Bob- I can see where you're coming from for the SGL part, but I think thats a separate issue- this affects EVERY property where hunting is allowed, including state parks and forests that are not SGL, private property where we have been granted access to ride, etc.... I know the whole 'shared use' issue is an extremely touchy one, but this would allow hunters to be on any valid property on Sundays at the same time I am out there trying to enjoy my ride. Or others are out there with their kids hiking. Or folks are riding their horses. You get the idea...I think this one goes beyond the 'shared use of SGL lands' issue and affects a much wider scope. Thats why I think this one is so important.
    I understand your point Dan. I wasn't thinking of private land. You're concerns are valid.

    As both a hunter and mountain biker, I get to see the issue from both sides. I have always felt that leaving the woods alone (from hunting pressure) on a Sunday was a good thing. I also think that the resource should be shared by all (except 108 dB quads, ...sorry but the noise ruins the experience).

    There is a lot of turmoil now in regards to the Sunday hunting issue. The hunting community is split. As more and more of the landscape becomes developed, access to the SGL's will be sought by more and more people. It would be nice to find some reasonable plan that would allow everyone to enjoy the outdoors.

    I'd like to be an optimist, but you know how things generally go. Put twenty people in a room and you couldn't get them to agree on what to order for lunch in less than an hour. Unfortunately, Lee is also correct. Money and politics are often the driving force behind decisions rather than common sense. I will be contacting state officials to voice my opinion against Sunday hunting. To be honest, I never really thought the idea of Sunday hunting had a chance and I will be glad when the idea fades away.

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    Good job! Do Something!

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    Since I can speak form the point of view of a person who wears many hats. MTB, Motorcycles, Quads. I have to say Mt bikers seems to have an attitude about their place in the woods. Mt. bikers tend to want to cut trails due to the fact they need smoother trails to ride due to the fact of the no motor to power the bike. Then the other thing is the "I have more EPO than you" so I can go faster. I don't get this about beating all your buds just cause you can. These are the people you ride with. If you always have to show them up soon you will be riding with yourself. Did this come form the Road sect? Last as a mt biker and the slowest thing on the trail why do mt bikers think they own the trail? I have come across guys who won't move for no one! I am very patient since I know the feeling from both parties. I always move for quads or motorcycles or other mt bikers or hikers and I always say HI or wave! A simple wave or hi will speak volumes. Later down the trail you might be lost or need help and the guy on a quad you were nice to will probably help or could be the land owner!

    Please don't think I'm picking on anyone here, this is not about starting anything with anyone! This is just what I have seen over the years!

    On the quad boards I don't see the quad guys getting all up in arms due to the hunt on Sundays topic. They don't seem to care about it at all. NOW... I know quads do have a whole different attitude, so don't go postal on me about what quads do..... I KNOW!

    The hunters will win this one. It's all about progression. They will get Sundays then somewhere down the road license fees will go up and it will be said WELL... we gave you Sundays! Like I said before MONEY=POWER and CONTROL!

    It's always the Mt Bikers vs someone! WHY? Are all Mt bikers Lawyers? Everyone cries about SGL! Holy GOD I can't take 8 trout anymore the limits 5 now and there are a ton more rules to follow. If the Mt bikers vs everyone keeps up it will attract attention and soon we will be told well you have to ride a red MTB and have a yellow jersey on on every Tuesday at 1 o'clock and you can not ride in low gear on said trail. Ever read the Pa fishing rules?

    What should we do, well try to ride during hunting season somewhere that isn't as heavily hunted or not hunted at all. I just wish more Mt bikers would go about the effort of approaching land owners about use of their land to ride on in exchange for something. Hunting, snowmobile, and motorcycle clubs do this all the time. Like I have said before our MC club rides at a private area and gives an amount of money for the use of the area due to the fact as they used to plant hay there. So we pay for what the hay used to bring the farmer. Small price to pay and what do you think? The farmer doesn't have to do all the work for the hay anymore. He is thrilled! He has more time to HUNT his property! This didn't happen by magic. We worked at it! Ask and you might receive. Work at something and you might gain access. How about hooking up with a hunting club and offer to maintain their trails since Mt.bikers love to cut stuff. The list goes on!

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    Lee, I have had some experience on mc too. I used to be a member of Tower City Trail Riders, some of the leased land was on Hunt Club property and would get closed in hunting season except on Sundays. And I will say everyone pissed and moaned about not being able to ride the closed trails, so I wouldn't put quad,motorcycle riders above MTBers.
    They can be just as pissy.

    And on that same note I used to be very involved with the United Bowhunters of Pa, and they whine more than any MTB club I am a part of. But like you said the squeaky wheel gets the attention. They have a lobbyest and a very well organized roup, so they get what they want.

    Having been involved with alot of outdoor sports, I sorta try and find something that works for everyone. This makes me a strong supporter of none, which doesn't usually get much acomplished. But I usually don't whine about it, just take what I'm given and work with it.

    We are all human...

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    Good job!

    [SIZE="3"]Mike:

    I see your points. It's just a shame more of the Mt Bike community doesn't get involved. Is it that the sport of Mt Biking is to young, as in years, not members? I guess you could look at soccer and golf. They are very organized and they get prime real estate to build fields and courses on. Do you think if you built a specific area for Mt Bikers to ride they would get bored and just not use the area much?

    On the flip side Hunters can ONLY hunt is season! Their time is really limited. Just imagine being ONLY able to Mt Bike for a month or two during the year.

    I still have to laugh, quads are the rouge factor. They ride everywhere and they don't care, and Mt.bikers use a lot of the right of ways the quads create.

    I think we have more room to progress in the State Forests than anywhere else. Now that's a place where you can't ride motorcycles or quads. On a similar note you can ride your mt bike at Allegheny National Forest, yet the times I have been there I never saw a mt bike. Not that I blame someone for not wanting to mix a mt bike, with motorcycles yet you can ride there.

    I think you have to take a look at Hubbard bicycle club. They have a very solid riding area and they police it and maintain it. In that area you can ride, Merli, Lackawanna, Prompton and other areas. The Hubbard guys do all they can to maintain and help in all areas.

    There are lots of private areas to ride if one just steps up and asks. Many farmers don't allow hunting on their properties. One place I ride the gate to the property was old and unpainted. I offered to weld it and paint it and the person was thrilled. What did it cost me? Time? I'm sure other have lot's of stories. I just don't see the scare of hunters vs mt bikers. You know it's at a time of year when many mt bikers put the bikes away anyways.


    On another point you can ride a mt bike on the paved road to get to a trail. Not so with a quad or motorcycle unless the motorcycle is road legal. A mt bike is a road legal, vehicle in Pa. How much do mt bikers pay for this privilege? ZIP! Yet I have to register, inspect, insure my motorcycle to use the same road to get to the same trail mt bikers and motorcycles use. I'm sure it the future we will see insurance for mt bikes. All other forms of riding require it. Quads, snowmobiles, motorcycles, and I'm talking off road use. Did tower city require you to have such insurance to ride on their property? If you ride your motorcycle or quad at Rausch Creek MX Park you have to buy a one year policy for 15 bucks the first time you ride there.

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    Was I wrong?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stick
    This has been discussed here more times than I can count. Majority of PGC funding and SGL management budget does not come from hunting license fees. It comes, first and foremost, from the federal government (under guise of funds, ironically, earmarked for 'wildlife habitat preservation') and from taxes on the sale of ammunition.
    Researched and quoted:

    The Game Commission does not receive any general state taxpayer dollars for its annual operating budget. The agency is funded by license sales revenues; the state's share of the federal Pittman-Robertson program, which is an excise tax collected through the sale of sporting arms and ammunition; and monies from the sale of oil, gas, coal, timber and minerals derived from State Game Lands.

    "State Game Lands represent a tangible asset that hunters and trappers of this state can literally point to as a product of their license fees," Roe said.

    Impression and question:

    Wildlife habitat preservation and hunting are very closely linked. Would the SGL's exist at all if it were not for an interest in wildlife habitat preservation?

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