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    Harborcreek, PA / Highmeyer Park

    Anyone live in / near Harborcreek? Just wondering cause I can bike to Highmeyer Park from my house for a nice 6 mile loop + a few more miles of trails thru the park. The trail has some potential, but needs cleaned up a little. Every time I go out there I seem to take a different path and get lost for a little until I check the GPS to get back or run into a creek and follow the ridge. There is LOTS of poison ivy all along the trail though! Some areas are mudpits, due to quad / dirt bikes (haven't actually seen any out there, but is a hefty fine for anyone caught riding them out there). Some nice log hops too. A few huge down trees have made mando detours thru the brush / poison ivy. Most of it is pretty flat, but when you get towards the creeks, there are some nice downhills and hill climbs. It's pretty dry now, but not a good place during the wet season. Also are tons of mosquitoes when it's wet!!

    For anyone interested, I could meet out there and show you around or maybe you could show me around more of the unexplored areas.

    Anyone else ever been out there?

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    Whoa...never heard of Highmeyer park...where is it? Sounds like it has potential. I live in North East and can't believe how few places there are to ride around here.

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    It's on Highmeyer Road, but actually called Erie County Park.

    I have been there before when I lived in the area, we used to ride our ATV's there from North East. Matter of fact there was someone killed on an ATV their not long ago. Unless it has changed, the ATV's had tore it up pretty bad.

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    I also live in Harborcreek (Villa sites road just west of Troupe)... I've been out to Highmeyer a few times but was always disappointed in the trail conditions (and have gotten "lost" a time or two). Haven't been there in the last couple years though...

    A couple years ago there was some talk that the township was going to clean it up but that obviously never happened!

    I just rode past there this past weekend on my roadie and was wondering if it was still as tore up as I remember...

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    Sept 15 @ 7PM

    I also noticed that there wasn't any trails in the area and started exploring by my house. I saw the park sign and noticed there wasn't any pavilions or anything there and wondered if there could be any trails. They cut a grass trail back in the clearing, but that's about as far as they go. The trails continue back in the woods past the thick brush and you more than likely will get lost back there due to the trees down and many mudpits from quads that could make you a muddy mess. I always take a GPS and have a route plotted, but even then I find myself in the woods off the trail and in the poison ivy undergrowth.

    I checked the Harborcreek website and see that it is listed. There was a sign on Highmeyer Road ~ 1/2 mile south of Rt 5 that said Highmeyer Park, but was gone last weekend when I went riding there.

    I inquired to the township about a possibility of me doing some clearing of the trail and some trail maintenance. I'd like to attend this meeting Sept 15 at 7PM, with a rough proposal and talk to the township to let them know I'd be willing to put in some work out there. Maybe they will even lend a hand or provide some workers? Would anyone else be interested in helping out? I could meet up with anyone for a ride and we could do some scouting before the meeting if anyone else wants. I can be out there any weeknight or weekend day, except this weekend.

    Here's the response:

    Good Morning Jason,

    Thank you for your inquiry about our parks. We do allow hunting in all the public township parks except for Shades Beach Park and only during hunting season. However, we do not allow for the public to go into the parks for just shooting purposes. If you do happen to see that you could either call us or the Game Commissioner to report this. I would like to welcome you to attend a Parks Board Meeting to discuss the project of trail maintenance. If you are interested the Parks Board meets every 3rd Monday of the month at 7pm, here at the Township Building. You may want to present a proposal for this project as well. Let me know if you are interested, the Parks Board and the Township would be happy to hear from you.

    If there is anything else that I can help you with, please let me know.

    Sincerely,
    Connie Cruz
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    814-899-3171


    Yes it is still tore up, but a fun little trail ~2-3 mile loop + more if you want to explore. Not something to be doing time trials on, but somewhere close to have some fun biking. I've never seen anyone out there, but have seen and picked up many shell casings around and been advised that hunting is permitted!! So be careful!!

    By the way... Shades also has a couple short trails and many more could be made with some clearing.

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    wonder if it would lend more cred to have a bike shop kinda back this up? i'm talking about when you go to the twp meeting. if a local business supported the idea of specific mtb trails they might give it more consideration. not sure if there's a bike shop in harborcreek or not...but there's the one in north east (moslty roadies tho).

    i think it would be sweet if there was someplace local to ride and would be happy to help....but there has to be some commitment (from the twp) that they'd support keeping the 4 wheel yahoo's off it...they can ruin a trail fast.

    FWIW, I bet one could fit many miles of trails in there. one of the best places I have ridden ("Tech Trails" in Houghton MI) has a system of trails which weaves back and forth and you can ride for hours on what's probably only 2-300 acres.

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    If you know someone from a bike shop, then by all means I'd be all for it and lend a hand to them if they'd want to sponsor it / spearhead the effort. I don't know anybody in that business, nor do I think Erie is a big MTB city. That should be seen by the lack of volunteers to help do a little cleanup at the best (only?) MTB trails in the Erie area, Asbury Woods. (Thanks again to Poormtnbkr for doing that for everybody that 'wanted' to go, but didn't. I am one of those, but had vehicle troubles and couldn't bike the 20 miles there and 20 miles back in one night. I did go out and haul out a bag of trash on Monday night along the creek)

    You might have a different idea than what I'm thinking. I just want to clear some trees that fell over and do some work on the mud pits or reroute the trail around a few areas. I just want to be able to go out there and be able to bike without having to go off trail around obstacles and through the brush. Being able to follow a trail would be nice also without getting lost and having to bike thru jagger bushes / poison ivy just to try to find the trail again. If you've been there, yinz will see what I mean, n'at. It's in a small local township park that has nothing but a field and acres of woods, I'd guess about 300 acres, with 90% wooded and not used for anything now. There are signs at the entrance and wire fence with many signs posted that ATV's are not allowed and has the posted fine on them. The trails are mostly quad trails and believe neighboring propertys across the creeks have quad trails that they may "inadvertantly" enter into the township park when they cross the creek. If they want to add signs along the property border, that's up to them, but believe they will just get torn down anyways. The main reason to go to the meeting is to get their blessing and to let them know that I will be in the park doing some work. I don't want to be in there and have someone tell me I'm not allowed. They might tell me to leave it as it is and not to ride back there, which I doubt, but just want to let them know that the property has potential with minimal work. I'd even highly support a Disc Golf course back there, which Erie really needs, but don't know anybody in the area that would help me get it started, nor would I think the township would approve without my fellow disc golfers from pittsburgh... let me know if you play or would like to learn.

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    More than interested.

    I totally agree that we need a disc golf gourse in Erie, and I know a good guy who might be interested in putting some effort into that as well. I would love to help maintain some more trails around town and i do happen to know some people in the bike biz. I have actually never ridden at the Highmeyer but it sounds like i want scout it out and try to offer some good feedback. If we come on strong and organized in the beginning it would be great to get official recognition. I think if we keep drumming up ideas on here and with some other sources we could be in preliminary stages of some kind of Fat tire political organization in Erie. Its not a mountain biking town in anyway like a Whistler or Moab is but there are people who ride here and I think the number is growing for the first time in a few years. It might just be the right time to organize and expand oppurtunities for riders.

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    evening / weekend ride?

    Anybody up for an evening ride this week? Or maybe a group ride this weekend? I'd like to try to get some input from others or know if I'm all alone in cleaning up the trail and going to the township meeting to let them know what I plan to do. I have several GPS tracks of the trail if anyone is interested. I might even take out my disc golf basket and throw out in the field this weekend.

    I haven't made it out to the Overland trail yet. Might possibly head out there this weekend to check it out.

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    Evening ride sounds good.

    Tomorrow or Wednesday would be great for me. Let me know what times or days you had in mind. I have my own tools and just enough skill in their use to be dangerous, so if these trails have potential i hope to be a good contributor. Maybe ill see you this week jra.
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    I can be there around 6, maybe a little earlier?? Tues is not good for me. Wed to Sun should be good.

    No need to bring tools yet. You may hate the trail and never want to come back

    I might do a short ride out there tonight also.

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    6:00 Wednesday sounds great!

    Now, how the hell do I get there?
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    HAHAHA 560 Highmeyer Rd 16421 go to googlemaps and type it in.

    Just to the West is a U shaped gravel rd. The fields are surrounded by wire cable fence and at the end is a break where you will see the No ATV signs and a gap in the fence where the trail leads back into the woods.

    I will be there around 6 PM Wed.

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    6PM tonight

    For anyone looking to get out on a ride tonight, we'll be there at 6PM in the parking lot.

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    So how did it go? Did you guys do the ride? Unfortunately, I don't check in to MTBR every day so I missed it, but we were out of town for a few days last week anyway...

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    Meeting today

    Poormtnbkr and I rode out there last week. He is willing to help me out with the work. I am going to the Township Parks meeting tonight with a proposal and to talk to them about what we plan to do and get their blessing. If interested in going, it's at 7PM tonight. I'll update everyone of their response.

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    Ride On!

    The Township gave me the approval to do the trail maintenance. Only stipulation is NO CHAINSAWS, nor any motorized vehicles / equipment. Due to hunting being allowed in the park, I may be out there during the next couple weeks, but don't plan on being there from Oct thru end Dec. If you see other vehicles in the parking lot during these times, beware there may be hunters out there.

    Since this is looking to be a nice weekend, I may be out there doing some work and more exploring. Also looking to do some other trail riding.... Overland &/or 6 mile. If anybody is looking to go riding anywhere or help out with the trail, let me know.

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    Awesome! Although I won't be able to join you this weekend because my parents will be up to visit the grandkids and we're going to the cleveland zoo Saturday !

    Keep us posted on when you plan on being out there to do some work... I can't promise I'll be there, but I'd like to help out as much as I can!

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    Hey all I know I haven't voice anything in the fourm before or on this subject but I just found this thread. Poormtnbkr I believe that you may have been hinting to on to this idea? anyway I believe it truly is a great time to get a small MT bike club together even if its just a couple of guys that go out once a month to do some clean up on local trails. If we get a small club or an organization together and go to a township meeting with a proposal maybe some gps locations I think we would have a little more swing. once we have a project done as a group we could go to other townships as well. I'm just throwing this idea out we all have the same idea to get more MT bike trails in Erie and I truly believe there is a lot of potential as well. Erie is just a big hill going down to the lake there are lots of creeks to ride along with rough trails that fisherman use every day! I don't see how if we all work and think together why we couldn't get something done?

    oh and there are a lot of us Disc Golfer's in Erie too!
    frontier park would be a great place to have a Disc Golf course. jra146psu you said you had a basket and a good gps? my friend and I once made a dice golf course with a pen, paper, portable basket, a local park and a vision!! lol any way take your basket and a gps and just plot out a course. play it once or twice, over lap your gps points with a google map of the park and bam a nice and professional proposal and I would have no problem going to a town meeting and backing that!! nor would I think any one on here would..

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    The ball is rolling

    So let's see some support at Highmeyer! This is a great starting block for everyone to come out and get a group together to show the region that trails are needed. We (I) already have the approval to clean up the (existing) trails. They are quad trails, but the township doesn't want any ATV's in the park. So, with some work, we could convert it to singletrack, which would really make the township happy to discourage ATV riding there. There are only a couple areas that new trails need cut to avoid large downed trees and mudpits. The township has the parks meetings every 3rd monday of each month. They want me (hopefully "US") to report back to them on how things are going. It would be great to get an organized group of people together to show interest. Most people just want to ride and very few like to help do the work. (I've seen, first hand, the same go for designing / building / maintaining Disc Golf Courses in pittsburgh. Everyone has time to play, but very few have the time to do any of work.)

    If there are disc golfers in Erie, we should meet up at Duck Run (or Moraine if you're up for playing a great new course) and play a couple rounds out there to talk about the future of disc golf and mountain biking in Erie! As for Frontier, not sure there is enough land for a good course there. As a general guide, 1-2 acres minimum is needed per hole. We already have a small (putt putt) course at Duck Run and a new course would need to be a little more challenging. The places I see that would be perfect are the Erie Bluffs and 6 Mile Creek Park. Also, Behrend has a ton of land that probably would be the best place to get help from students that could help build, maintain and enjoy playing often.

    So, anyone that wants to come help out at Highmeyer, needs help somewhere else, ride anywhere or play some disc golf, let me know. If not, I'll let everybody know when things are done and yinz can enjoy what others have done for you.

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    Jra146psu, when would you like to meet up? I have never been to the park you talk about but I'm all game lets set up a date for everyone to see. once we do set a date I believe it would be smart to put a sign up the day before letting hunters know when we will be doing work. first for are safety and second are safety!!!! you also said you had some gps tracks if so I would love to see them. Just to let you know I work 3rds, my weekends are normally open but I may work a Friday night here or there. with that said I really would like to see what you have in mind for these trails. in other words when would you like to ride maybe poormtb you can join in as well all three of us should come up with something?
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    Good job! When do we get to work?

    I was actually out in the park this past saturday and sunday. I cleared alot of fallen debris and tried to get the beginings of singletrack implied on the trails. Basically opening up more obvious but narrower right of ways. I am trying to clutter any mudholes with off camber logs and lots of debris to discourage further trail destruction by ATVs.

    Starting at the high ridge along the creek in back I started to mark off what I think would be a good beginner trail in orange that could eventually loop around the entire property on the high ground. Tonight I am going to pick up some green marking ribbon to start marking a second loop stemming off of the orange loop. This could be considered an intermediate loop using more of the quick ups and downs along the creek. I actually got down into a beautiful fern grown area along the creek at what seems to be the extreme back of the property. I did not start clearing anything here just followed an old trail till it stopped and then trudged on to see where I could connect back to the "orange" trail.

    We all need to try and get together and brainstorm because the potential seems even better than I originaly thought. We could have a nice little gem here with some planning and hard labor.

    I think some NO ATV signs would be a good addition. Either from the township or from a little collection by interested riders.
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    Cool!

    I was out there last week and cleared some debris from the 'short' crosscut loop. The short trail still needs some more defining. Also a new trail is needed to stay in the woods and off of the grapevine field property. I know there is a trail already to bypass, but need to explore a little to find it again (think you need to go thru the overgrown field and make a right before entering the woods). Maybe block off the ATV trails going into and coming from the field? Those are the 2 areas that think we should get done first to have a short trail completed soon to let the park board know (and see) that we are committed to doing this.

    I have a hockey game tonight and can't make it out there tonight, but any other night this week I could be out there. I will be out of town this weekend and next. Looks like rain all week and the trail will get a little muddy.

    If we talked to the township / game commision, they probably would provide us with more NO ATV signs to put up at the rear of the property. The only current signs are at the beginning of the parking lot with the wire fence to prevent them from entering. We could also construct some ATV barriers at the back, but they will just go around thru the brush as they have done already in the mud sections and downed trees. I haven't noticed any recent ATV tracks in the front of the park, but at the back, they are numerous... mostly the cliff and creek areas.

    I will get the tracks off my GPS and forward along to you.

    Let me know, or poormtnbkr, when you could be out there and we can show you around. We should schedule a day to all be out there to look at what's needed and the overall picture. The earliest I can be out there M-F is about 6PM, which leaves limited daylight.

    poormtnbkr... you know there is a trail that stays along the top of the cliffs? I know it is tempting to jump down into the downhills, but if you just stay on top and follow the ridge, the trail continues around.

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    Im diggin this!

    well like iv said before I work 3rd witch kinda mess with me get alot done.
    any way If I know some one will be there I have no problem getting there by 3 - 330 ish I would be happy to stay till 630 ish that is plenty enough time to get a feel for the tracks and maybe jump in on some of the work! during sat Im sure I can get some people to help out as well. I have talked to alot of people on the asbury trails that are asking for more places to ride! I think Im gona try to ride there some more as well and bring a pen and paper so I can get there emails. maybe just maybe we can get this really going. but for know Id like to start by riding it myself and get a feel for what we can do here.

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    well I don't have to work this Friday night.. if any one wants to head out and do some riding this weekend Im all game I will probably head out Friday and sat to this new park and check it out please pm me or email me, emails go strait to my phone so I will reply faster to an email the pm. jeeptree@hotmail.com

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    short cut somewhat cleared

    I went out last night (got rained on pretty good) and cleared more of the short cut trail. If you go in a clockwise direction, I marked the trail with orange tape and a pink tape I found laying on the ground. At the tape make a right and follow the logs I laid along the side and blocked off a HUGE mud pit to show the trail around to the right. Also cleared a tree that recently fell on the longer loop. Still haven't investigated the way to NOT go into the grapevines. I know there's a way that needs brushed though. The field was really soggy.

    If you head out there, be prepared to get lost if you haven't been there before. You may find yourself in the woods and not be able to find the trail easily.

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    Could be sloppy on Friday.

    I think all of this rain is going to leave the place pretty wet but to each his own. I think I am going to wait until Saturday to go out there again.

    I was there on tuesday this week and got so caught up in marking trails and potential trails that my buddy and I got stuck out there in the rain and quickly falling darkness from the clouds rolling in. We bloodied our shins stumbling around in the dark for a good two hours before we finally got our bearings and got the hell out of there. Beer never tasted so good!

    Anyway, It would be great to meet up with some people out there on Saturday if anybody is so inclined. If people want to pack in some hand tools it would make the exploring even more fruitful.

    Post it or pm me if you want to head out there.

    Look for Orange flags marking the easy flat trail and Pink flags headed towards a more challenging trail. Dont expect continuity yet though.
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    Map

    Here's a track file of the trail.


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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Warning!

    I went out today after work for a couple hours to see the long loop ideas and do some clearing, since I can't make it this weekend. Quite a few trees have fallen over the past week with all this rain. A couple were too big to drag and I didn't have my saw with me. Good job with some of the log crossovers but that jump at the bottom of the steep hill is INSANE! Did yinz actually jump off that? You would have so much speed coming down that hill and would launch you! I think the rain messed up the ramp a little though. I really liked the one that goes to the right of the mud pit a little further along (I actually dug out a trench with a log to get rid of most of the water). That pit is really soggy mud / leaves and would definitely get stuck if anyone tries to go thru it. I see that you found some of the hidden trails and marked some of them. The one that goes down the hill and back to the left along the creek was pretty cool today with the raging water. I packed out a bunch of garbage, but ran out of room in my pack and added some more to the pile I see someone started at the top of the climbs. If yinz find more trash, just pile it up at that spot and I'll pack it out during next week. Or pile up anywhere else and I'll take out what I can each time I go out. I'd like to meet up with yinz some time to brainstorm, maybe this Tues? I could probably be out there by about 4 if everyone else can?? I biked out easily just before 7 today, although it was getting dark in the woods, so we could have a good 2+ hours ofexploring. I won't be able to on a weekend until end of Oct......just in time for prime hunting season, which leads me to............

    Here's the WARNING part Just past where your markers stopped and the trail(s) gets REALLY hard to follow, there is a TREE STAND with a blue tarp over it!! Be careful out there this time of year and wear some bright orange! I don't think the person using the tree stand is going to like us biking and working on trails back there. I can see a clashing of interests heating up here. Not sure if tree stands are allowed, but can find out. I chased a nice size deer after coming in from the grapevines today also... the first deer I saw in those woods.

    Let me know how it goes tomorrow.

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    I was just quickly checking the postings before I go out and thanks for the map. The next thing we need is a map showing the park boundaries so that we know that we are within the boundaries with the trails. Also then we'll know we are in the right if we start chasing ATV's off these trails. Yeah the jump is insane, but that is about 10% of what I have planned for that particular line. It will make more sense once I break my back digging back there. Orange it is, I like orange anyway.
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    what a day!!

    WOW.. what a day, Poormtn it was a blast. I have a feeling I will learn a lot from you in the days to come. ( like how to avoid tree's ) anyway, JRA you will be happy to hear that poormtn and I got a lot done!!! we mapped out a new session of trails more like two loops off of a main trail. nothing to insane... and yeah I see why we need to put up a sign from the township that says NO ATVs I know your working on it. I find it funny cuz if it wasn't for the ATVs are trail making would be much harder they have made are job soooo much easyer. and here we are kicking them out. with all the work that will need to be done we really need to figure out a way to get some wood and tools out there (riding down the trail with a shovel on your back isn't fun lol) I found this and think it would work
    (http://www.paddleboy.com/pages/bike_trailer.html) I think I can put something together for under 100.00 easy if you have any old wheel sets laying around it may even be cheeper it may not look nice lol but it will work..
    Heres a thought We should also cut the map in to 5 or 6 sections, that way when we tell each other we worked in this or that area today we know what each other is saying. and when we are brain storming together we know what each other are talking about.
    poormtn said something about getting the maps of the old trails. that would be a big help. Im also going to throw this out there to I think if we stick to clearing the old trails making them rideable then adding are 2 cents in here and there. we can get some more mt bikers out there faster then we will have the help to make this into something bigger.

    well I would love to meet up with you JRA some time this week how dose Friday about 4 ish sound? I don't think I can do Tuesday(got to be to work at 7:30).
    you know how to get ahold of me if something comes up and you can go for a ride mid day or on the weekend.
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    Park Boundaries

    I was told that the areas between the creeks are the property lines at the far back and along the ridges coming back are orange stakes that mark the property. I've seen a few orange stakes out there. There are no formal maps of any trails out there, although you will see some trees marked with blue painted arrows and some horiz red lines. I think the hunters and ATV'ers probably did this to mark the trails in the past. I can take my GPS and ride them all and get a track of all of the trails. I just can't do all of the trails in 1 hour on weeknights.

    I'll be heading out there tonight after work around 6. I'll be in MI from Thurs night to Monday, so can't go Fri, Sat or Sun. The following weekend I may be around unless the backpacking trip we had planned is still a go with the others? I'll be here one of the next 2 weekends though. Anyone see any hunters out there? I'm sure we will be running in with them soon.

    The park allowed ATV's at one time. Someone got killed out there and they then banned them. Also, the State Game Commision regulates the area also and don't allow ATV's on most, if not all, of their property from what I've seen at all other SGL's. The property across the creeks are private property and they still ride there and wander over to the park. The signs could be placed at each of the creek crossings, but that is totally up to the township to decide that one. Once we get a trail loop section complete and report back to the township of our status, we could bring that up to them as a concern.

    That bike cart is cool. I've been meaning to make something just like it to cart my kayaks down to the lake, but never thought of attaching to my bike

    Anyone going out their this week, let me know. I will probably be out there tonight and tomorrow.
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    Mon night cleanup

    Did a ride last night. Saw 3 cars in the parking lot and 2 hunters all cammo'ed out. They were both off the trails, bunkered down watching me ride by with my huge backpack. I removed all of the siding, bike fenders, glass and cans all down by yinz's insane jump. Also picked up quite a few cans and trash along the trail as I rode. I see there is a stock pile of cans near the end of the loop near the parking lot, embedded in mud / poison ivy.... so I'll get that pile in the winter. There are cans stashed throughout the woods that I kept finding. If yinz find any trash, just pile up where I can see and I'll pack them out.

    I also started a Google Map trail. I'll continually update as the area is mapped out. So far just the outer orange loop and green cross cut. Google Maps calls this park "Shades Beach Park South" and shows the park much larger than it is... don't believe the name nor boundaries on this map!! The orange loop shown pretty much encloses the park. Anybody know how to take GPS points / tracks and overlay them on a map? I'm thinking when I get a weekend to get out there, I'll try to find all of the orange property stakes and GPS them all and also take some pictures and embed in the map.

    http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UT...22745&t=h&z=16

    I might be back out tonight, but depends on how long I get stuck in Titusville and Warren for work. Give me a call if you're heading out tonight. Not sure that I can be there at all the rest of this week.
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    Suggested trail work needed



    The most important is still the area I have marked as 'section that needs more defined'. Every time I go out there, I end up going thru some brush and along an old 'logging' road. There are parts that just need connected / cleared. You can see 2 distinct routes. The top route is the first time I went out with my GPS early spring and stayed along the top of the ridge along the trail and orange boundary stakes. Over the summer, the trail grew in and some large trees fell over blocking off the trail and making the trail very hard to find and in some spots, seems to disappear.

    I also found the trail to bypass the grapevines, although got really jagged by some jagger bushes. I think the hunters use that narrow trail and think that's how I found it. It does need some more work to divert the trail around some mud bogs.

    Oh... Check out the Google map! I figured out how to overlay my track logs onto google maps!
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    Listen! More progress Sat. and Sun.

    I went in solo on Saturday and did some riding clearing and additional flagging. I saw a Bowhunter near the orchard and then on the complete other side of the loop got a great look at a Buck that must be the target.

    Sunday I went out and took a new person for a tour of the loop. We did a little work here and there and generally had a few beers and shot the ****. We put a little more traffic down on the fresh piece at the far end. We hauled a good bit of trash and had a pretty swell frikin time.

    The guy I brought along has done a bit of trail work in other areas and thought that this was worth putting some work into and reaping the rewards. He had mentioned that temporary camping was allowed at one place while he did the trail work. I thought this would be a sweet idea if we got together a half dozen people or so to take a wheelbarrow a cooler and some more tools and take a stab at creating a contour trail along that proposed fine line on the map. There is another area with a rideable trail out that has some nice potential for a bench cut contour trail near the confluence of the creeks. A nice feature there is that there is large bit of field stone that had been tossed over that ridge years and years ago. We could cobble up some nice turns and little drops without a ridiculous effort.

    If we check into the camping it would be a good way to get everybody together and really get some work done. Bench cutting trail is hard work and alot more fun with other people. It really can make fun riding for years to come.

    With the three of us who have been posting on here regularly and the other two people who have helped me we are starting to get a descent digging crew together. Camping might bring in some more, jra do you think you could run this idea by the township or has it already been addressed. Jeeptree you and I mentioned this when we went out, too.

    Jra, im guessing the outermost loop thats rideable is now about 3.5 miles? what do you think after mapping it a little. Eventually I think you could wind a 7 or 8 mile ride into the park without overlapping too much just on existing trails.
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    Wear Orange

    From my track, the outermost trail I did including the new lower loop was 2.36 miles.

    Last week I saw hunters out there everyday. At least 3 per day, as there were 3 trucks in the parking lot.

    Not sure if they will go for camping out there, especially this time of year with hunters in the woods. Small Game seasons are coming in soon and hunters will start being out there with firearms, as of Oct 18th I believe! Wear a lot of orange if yinz are out there.

    There is another park board meeting Mon Oct 20 at 7PM if anyone wants to go to the meeting and talk to the board about camping there, possible additional signs and to report to them the current status?

    On another thought, I don't live too far from the trail. 2 mile ride from my house. Yinz are welcome to stay at my house. I don't have much room for sleeping inside, but have a 1/2 acre flat yard for tenting with a fire pit.

    Anyone want to go out there this week after 5:30PM? I should be here this weekend if anyone is heading out there, let me know.
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    I can do A ride tonight after 400 if anyone would like to meet up early? or I can meet up with you JRA after 530.
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    Trail Added to MTBR database

    http://trails.mtbr.com/mountainbiker...x.aspx?wip=467
    Anybody know how to edit / cleanup the trail description and delete some track files that got uploaded erroneously multiple times?? I sent an email to the site people, but no response back.
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    Notice

    Speed limit for crossing log!

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    nice...
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    It used to be the speed limit for getting washed down the creek!

    Nice pics, the only thing they don't really show is that the log is about 6 feet off the ground in the middle!

    I can't wait to try and roll this thing! Maybe this weekend.
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Fall Ride

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Fall Ride

    I got out a little early and headed out there Thurs for a quick ride. More branches fell over the trail and I did some clearing and mudpit diversions with logs The leaves on the ground have made it un-ridable for anyone not knowing the trail!!! If you aren't VERY familiar with the trails, I would advise against going there or else you WILL find yourself in some deep soggy mudpits that are covered by leaves. The trail is also nearly impossible to see and alot of the markers have been torn down (by hunters? / ATV'ers?). I did notice a section near the back that has recent quad tracks thru some mudpits.

    So I think we may need to wait until spring to continue with work. I'll still go out there every so often throughout the winter though. It will be a nice snowshoe trail and even a cross country trail (if I had some xc skis).
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    Good job! Keep it goin' in 09

    I thought I would jump on here and revive this thread for the upcoming year. I cant wait to get back out there again! Hopefully there are some other erieites who are pumped for the upcoming season as well.

    jra, if you read this, see if you can strike up our conversation again with the parks department in Harborcreek. We'll try to let them know that we haven't faded away. Last years work was preliminary, and this year we should be able to have a nice multi-use loop as well as some sweet singletrack.

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    The township wants us to keep them in the loop of progress, so I'll continually update them. I saw that the township has a "Walk in the Park" Program at the Community Park.... that would be great to add Highmeyer to showcase the trail work once complete. Maybe have a "Ride in the Park" Program? I think we need to talk to them about permanent trail markers. I don't recall what they said before about this, maybe documented somewhere? Since the township colors are orange and black, maybe we can get some markers from them or we can paint orange blazes??? We need to confirm with them first before any perm markers are used. Hopefully the temps tree tape made it thru the winter and the hunters / ATV'ers didn't rip more down! I'm planning on heading out there for a hike with my dogs on Sat to see if the wind storm brought any trees down. Will let yinz know the status.
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    overall, not too bad

    Went for a hike Sat. Saw about a dozen deer and my dogs wanted a piece of each of them. There were recent tracks of a few other dogs that followed the trail most of the way. I didn't see any human tracks, just dogs tracks. The trail didn't have many BIG trees down, only 1 really big branch that we will need to make another detour or try to cut up and move? It's big though. Maybe make another ramp up and over? Overall it wasn't too bad, except for most of it's under water and luckily it was frozen. It's going to be sloppy once the thaw is here to stay! Luckily I didn't fall thru any of those bottomless mud bogs! Most of the trail markers are gone. A few here and there remain, but someone(s) obviously taking them down. Guess we will need to just establish a trail that is easier to follow.... the rampant dogs seemed to know it pretty well though even with the snow.
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    Sounds like good news

    Hi Jay,

    I agree, we will have to define the trail more this year. The best way is to use it. Someone may have even torn down the tags thinking they were screwing with loggers. Oh well. If we end up being allowed use something more permanent it would be great. But, Asbury has survived without markers forever.

    Things aren't looking good for this week but I hope to take a hike there soon as well.
    Maybe we can meet up.
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    Salt Lake Here I Come!

    Sorry, but I'll be in Salt Lake skiing all next week!!!!! I won't be able to make it back out to the trail until Sat March 14th if you want to meet up and if it's not thawed. The trail is perfect now for hiking and you don't have to worry about mud. Once it warms up and the ground thaws, it's going to be more difficult. It might be bike-able now, but definitely not after the thaw.
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    Has anyone been out lately?
    I want to try and bike tomorrow but not if it is muddy/8' of snow/raining...you know, general erie conditions.
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    Going out to check drainage this week, afternoon?

    Hello interested people,

    I think I will be going out some afternoon this week to check out winter's effect on the trails and probably do a little drainage repair. If anybody is interested PM me. Should be a sloppy good time.

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    conditions

    I'd assume that it is a sloppy mess now (like my yard is), so would advise to hike it now to avoid rutting it up until the trail firms up. Watch out for the nearly bottomless mud bogs!!! With the extra hour of daylight now, I could head out there around 5:30-6 weekdays or maybe this weekend if anybody is up for a hike. Let me know.
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    Good job! On Foot for sure!

    Riding here, even to do maintenance would do more harm than good right now.
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    has anyone thought to take an IMBA trail building/advocacy course? has anyone thougt of including IMBA/local affiliate in your endeavor? that's what they are for. the fine folks at Dirt Rag could also be a good resource.

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    Thursday 3/12, 5:30 pm hike it.

    If anyone is interested I hope to be hiking the trail this thursday at 5:30 pm.

    Yes, we have thought about bringing in the IMBA, in fact their reference materials are what I look to first when designing/maintaining trail(wetland trail onstruction, sweet singletrack, sustainable singletrack). The IMBA has plenty of larger issues at hand to focus on, if they contact us lending a hand thats great. Also, if we run into a specific obstacle or issue that they could be of assistance on we will not hesitate to bring them in.

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    trail work

    I'll be heading out there a couple times this week and possibly on Sat to do some work. Mostly draining some stagnant pools and making a new section along the ridge. Let me know if anyone's interested.
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    3/17 Tuesday

    I will probably go out on Tuesday, Saturday sounds like a definite possibility too.

    The north ridge sounds like a good place to start. I was out there on Friday hacking away a little. Jay, If you have some flagging mark where you are planning.

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    Work day Sat 3/21

    If anybody wants to check out the trail or lend a hand, let me know. I should be out there tomorrow for a good part of the day and is looking to be a good sunny day. Bikes not welcome this time of year and bring a pair of boots that aren't afraid to get a little muddy.
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    Hey Everyone! I've been meaning to follow-up on this thread to see how things were going and see when the next work day will be... (I still haven't even met any of you guys yet!)

    Unfortunately, my work schedule is hectic since I do a lot of traveling and typically leave on Sundays so Saturday is usually a flurry of activity trying to get things done around my own house! Plus we have 2 toddlers (2 and 3-1/2) so I typically spend Sat mornings with them...

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    Work days

    I haven't been out there lately, as I've been out of town and pretty busy most weekends. I'll be out there occasionally on week nights. There hasn't been any formal workdays, just some of us going out and clearing downed trees and draining some trouble areas. I've been working on alternate trails to divert from private property. With the recent dryer weather, I'd assume the trail is in pretty good condition. Let me (or Poormtnbkr) know if you would want to go out some night and we could show you around. I can tell you that I won't be out there when there are Pens games on. This weekend is up in the air for me now. If I'm around, I'll probably be out there some time this weekend. Let us know.
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    I am a new rider and I live in Erie, would like to meet up sometime. Would also like to help work on the trail.

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    6 mile creek

    Anybody else hear this? Another location for more trails, if we could get some help from local riders.

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    It appears the long-delayed transfer of Six Mile Creek Park from Erie County to Harborcreek Township could happen as soon as next week. Erie County Council may vote on the deal at it's meeting next Tuesday. The heavily wooded property is located just south of Interstate 90 in Harborcreek. It is little used, and there is virtually no easy access. And with Erie County facing a tight budget, there is not much appetite to spend county money on improvements. So Harborcreek stepped forward. The deal stalled over disputed mineral and timber rights. But now it appears Harborcreek will gain full control of the park. But supervisors promise no extensive logging or drilling. The first priority will be to make an access area so people can enjoy the park. County Council member Kyle Foust said, "They have a parks department. They have earth movers that will be needed to some degree to make a proper access point and they are willing to step up and do all the things that are needed to make this a viable park." Harborcreek Supervisor Joe Peck said, "We have the personnel, equipment and know how to improve the park to the point of making it readily accessible for people in all of Erie County and Pennsylvania to utilize this great wild area. It is a beautiful area down there." As part of the deal, the county will transfer a $100,000 state grant to the township to help pay for park improvements.

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    It Finally Happened!

    Wow. Six Mile Creek Park finally falls into ambitious hands. I forget what the useable acreage out there is, but it will be nice just to have legal and suitable access. It may just spark the interest needed to develop the park to fit the publics needs. Hopefully the public needs mountain biking. Anyone who reads this, please drop a line to Harborcreek, PA Parks. Let them know what your recreation interests are, F*&#%@% MTBing. If Mountain Bikers are interested in the new park it will influence their planning and development.

    Thanks to anyone with the ambition for contacting Harborcreek.

    Jra, sorry for falling right off the highmeyer map this summer. I hope to stop by tomorrow after chillin at the DMV and check it out again.
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    work to be done

    I finally made some time over the weekend to get out to the trail. Some work is needed. There are a few trees that are blocking the trail and need cut up / cleared. Overall the trail is in great condition, as far as mud concerns. The few drainage ditches we made cleared out several areas that used to be swampy year round. I did notice that we still have a problem with quads going thru some parts and creating a mess in the mud areas and destroying a couple drains I made. I'd like to get the new sections in better condition. I am going to try to get back out there soon to clear the fallen trees. If anybody wants to lend a hand, get in touch. -jay
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! New Life

    Hi, I hope you guys are still around. I saw this thread in a search and am resurecting it. I am the chair of Presque Isle Cycling Club's new Trail Improvement Committee. We are a group dedicated to deigning, building, and maintaining sustainable trail systems in the greater Erie area. Your work is exactly what we are trying to do. By acting as a committee of PICC we have the backing of a large organized group. I would be interested in contacting any interested in helping out.
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    Good job!

    Good Luck with this...

    I'm from the other coast of Pa but get out to Erie area a few times a year!

    Many thanks to all who work so hard to make stuff like this happen!

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    I haven't been out there since before deer season last fall, but did hand cut and clear some of the big fallen trees, but there is more work to do and no chainsaws allowed! We mostly just left the large fallen trees and made diversion trails around or even some crossovers. Haven't heard or talked to anybody in quite a while, so I've been on my own out there and didn't look like anybody else had been out there, except for atvs ruining all of the work we put in to drain some mud trouble areas... it's a never ending battle. I myself own a quad, but wouldn't dare take on POSTED no atv trails, nor any trail that would be ruined by riding on it, but some don't seem to care. Poormtnbkr and Jeeptree were out there a few times with me and believe by themselves also doing work on the trail, but other than that, we couldn't find any other bodies to put in the work. I have heard from a bunch of other interested people, but always had an excuse not to come help or just vanished when the time came for work days. I'll be back out there when it dries to clear the winter damage. Keep in touch and maybe I can show you the trail and get some helpful input.

    I have been wanting to get out to 6 mile creek to bike and tried once, but couldn't find a place to park, nor any trailhead to start at. If any help is needed at 6 mile, let me know and I should be able to lend a hand, but have my hands tied at Highmeyer just keeping up with clearing fallen trees and atv damage. I also bike to Highmeyer from my house, so it's convenient and already have permission from the township to maintain the trail there.
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    Good job!

    Just some advice:

    First, this must be said to you and yours "Thank you for what you do"

    Now I didn't read the entire thread so excuse me if I missed something, just trying to help.

    Second, don't feel you have to do it all.

    Third, do you have permission to do stuff there?

    MTBR has a "trailbuilding forum" that's free and you can access it right from your home!

    IMBA can help too visit there website email them and ask for help and guidance.

    Dirt Rag email Maurice and ask for guidance, he's the owner and he's a great guy that can steer you in the right directon to advertise your area for getting a group together.

    Local bike shops, gyms, businesses. Hit them up for help or at least have them allow you to put up a flyer. From what I have observed your area is into road riding, but mt bikers do exist. Let them know!

    Your local prison has programs for people to do community service to lessen their fines, ask for help there to get a crew to the park to help with stuff.

    Make a database of emails phone numbers of anyone who will give it out!

    Back to the trails, not taking the quad out there is a good idea. If you did you would prolly be the one blamed for everything!

    See if a bike shop will give you a discount on a BOB trailer, or IMBA does have a program for a discount on this great product you can just hook up to your bike and get your tools out there!

    On the fallen trees issue, just reroute and use it to you advantage to block ATV use. I don't know how the overseers of your area would feel about building stuff to get over logs, that can become a big legal nightmare for you. Get permission to do so from them first! If no one will sign off don't build stuff just reroute. As long as you reroute and look to see the alignment keeps the flow of the trail it will be a good thing! We have chainsaws to access at our parks but sometimes we just use lagre folding saws, they really work well, and it's a good upper body workout.

    I think you need help and since it you that have the passion for this become a leader and show how trails help everyone and even the community. It doesn't matter if the run, walk dogs or ride get them all on your page. They will be the help you need, It would be good to try to organize a riding crew that would help with building and maintaining trails!
    OK lot's of stuff to think about and I'm sure you know all this just trying to brainstorm in black and white text.

    When I vist in this year I will let you know and I will help for a day.

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    NEPMTBA thank you for the advice. Yes jra146psu has permission to work in this park. As for other areas, we are starting to work on permission and access. Our group became official yesterday with our local cycling club (Presque Isle Cycling Club) and have plans to attend numerous township meetings coming up in the next weeks. The ideas of where to get help is appriciated. More hands make work easier. Jra, yes access to sixmile is the currant problem, and we hope to work with the township to remedy this.

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    Good job!

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    Don't get me wrong, I don't mind going out by myself to do some work on the trail. Seems like I'm the only one that rides there anyways, occasionally see a family hiking there and see people hunting there occasionally, so watch out during hunting seasons! I also go there to snowshoe in the winter. I spoke with the township supervisors and park committee at a township meeting and asked for permission to clean up the trails. They granted permission with the restrictions of no chainsaws (liability issues). Mainly I told them I was going to clean up the existing trails that became overgrown, cut up the fallen trees and remove the trash scattered all along the trail (which I removed about 7 or 8 full trash bags of cans, bottles, ATV PARTS!, shotgun shells, etc). They thanked me and others for volunteering to help clean up the old trails and to keep them updated on the status, which I have done. I offered to organize a township bike ride to show off the trail to residents, but never got the drainage completed to a point where a family could take a ride there without getting covered in mud, thanks to the atv's that destroyed our work and storms that knocked over some trees.

    No I have never taken my quad there and wouldn't think of it (I have a much better and bigger place in Clarion that I ride). It is not a good place for atvs anyways. It's really muddy most of the year. There are signs posted and fines if caught riding there. I caught 2 young teenagers there last year when I walked out to do some work on drainage and they said they got lost back there. The younger kid was on a motorcycle, an 80 or 50cc, and got stuck in many places that I saw. I stopped them and told them they weren't allowed to ride their atvs on the township property and to please stay off the trails. Seemed like they knew and didn't care if they tore up the trails and sped off away from me into an adjacent neighbors property. We did put up some tree barricades where atvs were entering the property, but can easily be detoured and no way to restrict total access.
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    Good luck and I hope you guys the best of success with this, but the "mud climate" is one of the reasons I'm in the process of relocating away from NW PA. Seems like the MTB season is impossibly short around here.

    Not to be a "told you so", but, as I said in post #6, if the township didn't get serious about keeping the ATV's out of there, it's pointless to "maintain trails". One 4-wheeler can ruin about 40-man-hours of work in a heartbeat.

    Anywho...good luck guys!
    whatever...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steadite
    Good luck and I hope you guys the best of success with this, but the "mud climate" is one of the reasons I'm in the process of relocating away from NW PA. Seems like the MTB season is impossibly short around here.

    Not to be a "told you so", but, as I said in post #6, if the township didn't get serious about keeping the ATV's out of there, it's pointless to "maintain trails". One 4-wheeler can ruin about 40-man-hours of work in a heartbeat.

    Anywho...good luck guys!
    Yup. From what I hear from other atv'ers and where they ride around here, 6 mile creek park is also a favorite area for atvs, so that area is going to be in the same position as highmeyer. That's something that can be brought up and asked about at the meeting. Can't say much about the swamp / mud condition at 6 mile since I never been there.
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    Hi there guys im new to mtbr and was wondering if this clean up the trails thing your going for is still going on? I live down on east lake rd and have found few places too ride and would be more than happy offering any help that i could.

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    Thanks. Will let you know when we plan on getting out there. Let me know if you want to take a hike / ride out there some night. I haven't been out there since the winter snowshoeing and need to get out there to check up the current conditions of our efforts to dry up some mud bogs and ATV deterrents.
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    well i useually have a pretty set scedual up at work mondays and tuesdays off and the rest of the week i work 4 pm till eleven.So I would def be up for a ride or hike anytime before four or on a mon or tues

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    sooo I took a hike out in the park yesterday and that place is a swamp land right now and with the up coming rain dosent look like its going to get any better.
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    im curious as to whats going on with this, id like to get involved. looks like its been a few months since anyone has posted anything. so BUMP!

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    I tried getting in contact with JRA multiple times with no luck.

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    thanks yahoo!

    Not trying to bash here, but I hate Yahoo! They deleted my account for no reason and never informed me. I never check the website and set up to get routed to my comp. So I will never use yahoo ever again and suggest nobody else ever does either. gmail is much better anyways!

    I have also been very busy lately and haven't had a chance to get out there. I will try to get out there soon and check up on the status to report back, after I get my rear brake replaced!!! BTW, a broken hydro line provides zero stopping power
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    JRA what's your new email? I'd like to help with possible trail building at Highmeyer.

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    Shot in the dark!

    Bump! I know it's been over 5 years but I just moved to the erie area and found this thread while searching for trails. if any of ya'll are still working on this or any other projects. If not maybe just go for a ride cause riding alone is boring sometimes.

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