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    Green Lane Blue Trail?

    I used to ride Green Lane 5+ years ago and although the red trail was okay and the green trail (lower, rocky trail) was decent as well, I really loved the Blue trail. Just went to the Trail Review section and the post from 2007 said the trail is closed to bikes. Is that for real? Is it strictly enforced? I ask because I'll be in the area on Thursday of this week and thought I could sneak a ride in for ol' times sake...

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    Blue Trail

    Yes the Blue trial is now closed to all Bikes. With that being said I do ride the trail occasionally. There is usually no one on the trail. Although, I have heard some riders have been hasseled by the rangers for riding a closed trail, most likely a weekend day.

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    I was there today (for the first time) and was told on the phone before I went that Blue Trail is open to bikes. I picked up a map that also says the Blue Trail is open to bikes. Then I spoke with another park worker who said the Blue Trail is closed to bikes because someone died mountain biking on the trail.

    Unless the Blue Trail is marked "No Bikes", just carry a map and hand it to the ranger when confronted.

    Then I rode around on Red Trail. I only saw one other biker - not wearing a helmet - and I thought, "the Red Trail will be closed as soon as that guy or someone like him hits his helmetless head on a rock. Hope he does it another park because I like this one."

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    New question here.

    Quote Originally Posted by elephant
    I was there today (for the first time) and was told on the phone before I went that Blue Trail is open to bikes. I picked up a map that also says the Blue Trail is open to bikes. Then I spoke with another park worker who said the Blue Trail is closed to bikes because someone died mountain biking on the trail.

    Unless the Blue Trail is marked "No Bikes", just carry a map and hand it to the ranger when confronted.

    Then I rode around on Red Trail. I only saw one other biker - not wearing a helmet - and I thought, "the Red Trail will be closed as soon as that guy or someone like him hits his helmetless head on a rock. Hope he does it another park because I like this one."

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA
    Mind sharing directions to get to it?
    Here is the website:

    http://www2.montcopa.org/parks/cwp/v...rksNav,%7C.asp

    FYI, I hate rock gardens and other "technical" garbage on trails. I like trails that are in the style of UCI XC. The Red Trail is a shared biking, jogging, horse path and is about half hardpack dirt and gravel.

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by elephant
    Here is the website:

    http://www2.montcopa.org/parks/cwp/v...rksNav,%7C.asp

    FYI, I hate rock gardens and other "technical" garbage on trails. I like trails that are in the style of UCI XC. The Red Trail is a shared biking, jogging, horse path and is about half hardpack dirt and gravel.
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    Thanks...And forgive me if I rant and rave about rocks and other trail stuff you hate! It's just me! I'll try to remember you hate that stuff! Hard to find really buff stuff here in NEPA

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    Quote Originally Posted by elephant
    I was there today (for the first time) and was told on the phone before I went that Blue Trail is open to bikes. I picked up a map that also says the Blue Trail is open to bikes. Then I spoke with another park worker who said the Blue Trail is closed to bikes because someone died mountain biking on the trail.

    Unless the Blue Trail is marked "No Bikes", just carry a map and hand it to the ranger when confronted.

    Then I rode around on Red Trail. I only saw one other biker - not wearing a helmet - and I thought, "the Red Trail will be closed as soon as that guy or someone like him hits his helmetless head on a rock. Hope he does it another park because I like this one."

    Great park.
    I was there yesterday it's my local place. I was NOT the one NOT wearing a helmet.

    There does seem to be some confusion regarding which trails are open to bicycles. Last year I encounted a ranger who had just got done kicking out some illegal campers. He asked me not to ride the blue trail and I was polite to him and I had map on me which clearly stated the trail was open for cyclists. He was cool and did not make a big deal and let me ride on.

    As far as I know the only trail not open to bicycles is the Nature Trail.
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    Are you all discussing Wissahickon Park,in Philadelphia City, or another park in Montgomery County?

    Wissahickon is where the rider died last night. The link in earlier posts is for a park in Montgomery County.

    Rule of thumb for Wissahickon Park, most of the upper trails on the rim of Wissahickon Valley are open to mt. bikers. Be aware that all trails are multi user and none of them are specifically dedicated to mt. bikers.

    Dig around on the internet and you can find some free maps or hit one of the local shops in Chestnut Hill/Manayunk and purchase a map.

    If you're ever in question about being on legal trails, just pay attention when you cross any access roads in/leading into the park. They all have markers with symbols for use. If the trail splits then a marker usually indicates which is open for our use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrostle
    Are you all discussing Wissahickon Park,in Philadelphia City, or another park in Montgomery County?

    We are discussing Green Lane Park in Montgomery County PA.
    It is a small hidden gem in the upper north eastern corner of Montgomery County.
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    Metal Signs "No Bikes On Blue Trail"

    I ride Green Lane about 3-4 times a week. I imagine the rangers are through being patient this year regardless of what map you are carrying. They have made metal signs at each trail head this past fall clearly stating that bikes are not welcome on the Blue Trail. While I love the Blue Trail and wish I could still ride on it, I will stay clear of it; and hope that those who do ride it , donít force the park to consider closing all their trails to bikes. I wouldnít be surprised to see them start imposing some kind of fine this year too. Sorry, just my 2 cents.

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    The Blue Trail is definitely closed to bikes. It has been for years, even though the signage is poor at best. I contacted the Montgomery County Equine Council (based at Green Lane) about this last year and all I got was a bunch of BS. Its true someone died on the trail 10 years ago. It wasn't even on the Blue Trail, but really close. It was just past the boat launch, going towards the damn.

    The lady from the Equine Council stated a whole number of useless facts about horses, including, at pounds per square inch, doing less damage than bike tires. That's about the time I gave up talking to her. I'll look for those emails to see if I can post them.

    The Equine Council runs the park because they are in tight with the water department who has the ultimate say, because of the damn.

    I'm personally pissed about the deteriorating conditions at the park. Severe erosion and equestrians making trails wherever they please is killing the beauty of the area. Just my 2 cents.

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    Maybe we could start a petition to reopen Blue Trail. Let me see what I can get started.

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    Good luck. I also got a load of BS when I talked to some one over there about it. They seemed to think that cyclists are the worst thing going when it was clear to me that the horses were doing far more damage then I ever would. At least my 'steed' doesn't leave steaming piles!

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    I would back that petition!! I love that trail.

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    I've tried to ride GL a few times and just can't make heads or tails of the place. Would love to go with someone that knows what they're doing.

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    Blue trail is absolutely closed. Has "technically" been closed for years but only last year did they start enforcing it. A few years ago I ran across a ranger and he told me a biker died on the blue trail years prior. He didn't stop me from riding though. Last year they started with paper signs at the trail heads, which were then replaced with large metal no biking signs.

    Go ahead and petition. Good luck getting anywhere. The equestrians are FAR more organized than bikers. They "own" the trail. On a nice day there could be 50-100 horses there. What it really comes down to, is too many of them ride unexperienced horses on a very technical trail and they don't want bikers spooking their horses. I was "lectured" on the red trail by a rider once who's horse gets spooked by bikes.

    The argument that horses at pounds per square inch cause less damage than bikes is false. A large horse can have more psi on the ground than a bike.
    http://www.americantrails.org/resources/ManageMaintain/WKeenImpacts.html
    The EA document introduces the concept that different user groups have varying levels of physical impacts on trails noting that hiking and biking have similar impacts while horse use has significantly higher impacts.
    "Horse traffic resulted in statistically significant higher sediment yields (the primary indicator of trail deterioration) than either hiker or llama traffic.
    In addition, under dry trail conditions horse traffic caused significant reductions in soil bulk density (a measure of how compacted the soil is) compared to llama and hiker traffic. Horse traffic also caused significant increases in soil roughness compared with the other 2 users.
    A 2001 study performed by botanist Richard Reader of the University of Guelph (Canada) noted that "We've found that hikers have the same effect as bikers do, regardless of the number of trips along the path. In reality, both are equally damaging to the environment.

    But anyway, for anyone interested, here are some maps of the trails. The orange trail offers some nice technical riding with a few rock gardens, but gets muddy (and stays muddy) very easily.









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    Ever any races at Green Lane?

    Hey all!

    I'm from Phoenixville PA. I've been competing all over the place in observed trials (or bike trials) for several years. Green Lane is actually a favorite spot of mine to practice trials. (Right in the area of the tennis courts and the skating rink mostly)

    Which reminds me - I will be there on July 19th at 11:00AM on the rocks by the tennis courts for a short trials demo and teaching session and then followed by an XC ride on one of the trails for fun. (Not sure which one yet)

    My all time favorite spot to practice trials is St. Peter's Village. I'm normally there almost every weekend.

    ANYWAY... I was just curious if they have ever held any XC races at Green Lane? (Or if there will be any in the future?)

    I ride the trails their occasionally, but I typically like the more challenging/technical trails like at French Creek State Park.

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    Great News

    Certain sections of the blue trail are open for mountain bikes again. I confirmed this with a Park Ranger yesterday. It appears that someone or group (I think I know who but I'll let them step up for props if they choose to) was able to get the trail open again for biking.

    The trail is is in great condition, but still needs work and continued up keep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J Ro View Post
    Great News

    Certain sections of the blue trail are open for mountain bikes again. I confirmed this with a Park Ranger yesterday. It appears that someone or group (I think I know who but I'll let them step up for props if they choose to) was able to get the trail open again for biking.

    The trail is is in great condition, but still needs work and continued up keep.

    That is great news!

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    Oooh, that is interesting news. I've only been on the red trail once but I hear the blue is better. Nockamixon is really nice but it's an hour away while Green Lane is only about 30 mins away for me.

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    very welcomed news! Anymore details JRo on which sections of blue are open again?

    Who do we congratulate on this fine work? hoping the group that made this possible speak up here with details, GL has tons of potential and the blue trail could be a really good ride with sustained trail support by the bikers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestercospinner View Post
    very welcomed news! Anymore details JRo on which sections of blue are open again?

    Who do we congratulate on this fine work? hoping the group that made this possible speak up here with details, GL has tons of potential and the blue trail could be a really good ride with sustained trail support by the bikers!
    The section from the trail head at Knight & Ward Roads to the boat launch is open.
    I am still waiting to hear if the other section beyond the boat launch will be open in the future.
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    Can you tell me where the boat launch is approximately on the maps above? Or are there signs up to where you can go? I went this past Saturday and didn't go too far but would like to go explore some more this weekend.

    It was nice. Saw one hiker on the way down and one jogger on the way back. It seemed pretty deserted. Maybe it was too hot for the horses. I did end up drinking my entire Camelbak plus one bottle of Gatorade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    Can you tell me where the boat launch is approximately on the maps above? Or are there signs up to where you can go? I went this past Saturday and didn't go too far but would like to go explore some more this weekend.

    It was nice. Saw one hiker on the way down and one jogger on the way back. It seemed pretty deserted. Maybe it was too hot for the horses. I did end up drinking my entire Camelbak plus one bottle of Gatorade.
    If you look at the last map (posted above) in the center near the words Green Lane Resorvior, that is were the boat launch is. It is a loop and the signs for the blue trail are pretty easy to follow until you get to boat launch. The trail ends at the parking lot and you need to find the other trail head (depending on which way you ride the loop).
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    This is indeed good news. The more local options the better. I may actually head up to GL before Nock as it is closer and I'm more familiar with it. In fact, it might make for a good ride on Friday. What is the Red Trail like and approximately how long is it? Would it be a good choice for a "fast" 2-3 hour ride?
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    I think the red + blue trail would be a 2-3 hour ride (maybe a little less) and I'm a slow rider.

    Nockamixon is nice. I just wished it wasn't so far away. There are no horses allowed and is (mostly) smoother than Green Lane. There was a ton of horse poop out on the red trail.

    Evansburg is the other place I've been riding and I'm not sure if I will keep going there unless I want a cardio workout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post

    Evansburg is the other place I've been riding and I'm not sure if I will keep going there unless I want a cardio workout.
    Tell me about it. I ride there multiple times a week and it still kills me...



    Last time I was at nock, there were two big hs piles which is one of the reasons I don't go to green lane. not cool at all.

    What kind of technical stuff does the orange trail have? And how long is it?

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    I've never been on the orange trail itself...rode by it while doing the Perkiomen Trail from Green Lane. From what I could see it looked cool but short. I'm assuming it worth a peek. Also assuming it's going to have a lot of horse poop as well.

    Have you seen that creepy abandoned house in Evansburg? Wanted to ride past it but it gave me the creeps so I turned around.

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    Yeah! It's pretty harmless to ride around. The trail going around is getting pretty overgrown. I'm really surprised it's still there with no "no trespassing" signs. You'd think since it's government land it would of been ripped down ages ago. I rarely go by it anymore. I usually go left at the fork and go all the way up the mountain, come back around and then go right at the fork which brings you down to that pallet drop off that goes downhill up to the road. There are allot of weird things in Evansburg. Like why are there 6" flex pipes coming out of the ground from the woods into the creek? I wonder what that area looked liked 50 years ago...

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    The orange trail at Green Lane is pretty short but has a fair amount of rocks, roots and some creek crossings. There is very little signs of horses as well. Horses are mostly up on the red trail.

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    fell_brook, ever go exploring across that closed bridge? I was really curious about what was on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joshhan View Post
    I think the red + blue trail would be a 2-3 hour ride (maybe a little less) and I'm a slow rider.

    Nockamixon is nice. I just wished it wasn't so far away. There are no horses allowed and is (mostly) smoother than Green Lane. There was a ton of horse poop out on the red trail.

    Evansburg is the other place I've been riding and I'm not sure if I will keep going there unless I want a cardio workout.
    Hmmm. I may try to hit GL on Friday and Nock on Sunday since I'm looking at a 70+ hour week starting Monday then down to the shore the following Saturday.Gotta get my rides in before I turn into a beer-swilling bum for a week.
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    As far as trails? I don't think there is much. There is a park on the other side of the creek.
    I always think that the trail going along the creek that mysteriously just dead ends is actually a creek crossing but, I'm pretty sure it's all in my head.

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    I found a Cannondale saddle bag on the Orange trail tonight. I left it at the park office.

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    I will be riding at Green Lane park today after work... can anybody give me a brief suggestion as to where to park, what trail head to use, and what route I should take (red trail, blue trail, ride direction, etc.). Thanks in advance.

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    Park at the gravel lot at Knight Road. The Red Trail starts across the street. If you follow the trail all the way to bridge (Knight Rd) and cross it, you will find the beginning of the Blue Trail which starts at the parking lot at Knight and Ward Rd.

    Here is how I did it.
    2011-07-16 12:38 - Google Maps

    Although, I cheated and took Knight Rd some of the way instead of the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoyDean View Post
    I will be riding at Green Lane park today after work... can anybody give me a brief suggestion as to where to park, what trail head to use, and what route I should take (red trail, blue trail, ride direction, etc.). Thanks in advance.
    We ride there two to three times a week, and I have attached a brief ride map, showing the basic route to link Red to Blue.
    Park at the trailhead on Knight Rd, closest to Rt. 29 (noted by green dot on map).
    Head out in the direction of the blue arrow, which is a small beginning loop, and will bring you back into the parking lot. Then cross Knight road, staying left at the first trail split, then drop into the woods halfway up the climb. Follow the red trail out to the far trailhead, and you can cross the road again to hit up the Dogwood loop, or stay along the paved path to go directly to the blue trail.
    On the blue trail you can loop out and back, as depicted in the map, or there is an extension which runs along Hill Rd that will link up to the main park...that will allow you to loop the entire lake, and return along the Perki trail, into the starting trailhead. I never mapped the entire loop (plan too), but it adds on another 5 miles or so.



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    JF - I don't see your map, but it may be my work blocking it. The description is great by itself, though. Josh, I printed out your map and will take it with me. Thanks to you both... this info is very helpful.

    I work in coopersburg and live in Spring Mount... so it only makes sense to ride at here at least once a week after work...

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    I'm going to be down in the area this Saturday and plan to hit up GL. I've only ridden there once about 4-5 years ago and I have a very fuzzy memory of the place (something about horse patties and mud. )

    Anyways.. a few questions:
    - any thoughts on how it would be on a rigid SS? The other option is Santa Cruz Blur.
    - It'll probably be an early afternoon ride. Should I expect heavy horse / hiker traffic?

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    The Blue trail is closed to bikes only between the Hill Rd office and the Horse campground on Hill rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonz View Post
    I'm going to be down in the area this Saturday and plan to hit up GL. I've only ridden there once about 4-5 years ago and I have a very fuzzy memory of the place (something about horse patties and mud. )

    Anyways.. a few questions:
    - any thoughts on how it would be on a rigid SS? The other option is Santa Cruz Blur.
    - It'll probably be an early afternoon ride. Should I expect heavy horse / hiker traffic?
    Guess I'll answer my own questions:
    I rode GL Saturday afternoon. A rigid singlespeed is perfect for these trails, with the exception of some of the narrow gorge-like creek crossings on Blue that are very difficult to pedal out of. Encountered 5-6 equestrians, all were pleasant.

    The last time I rode GL 4-5 years ago, I also rode the blue trail, not knowing it was closed at the time. I couldn't imagine riding this trail system without Blue, the rest of the park is sort of meh.

    I parked on Knight Rd and did sort of a modified JFryauff loop: I had a really hard time trying to follow the trails on the north side of Knight Road (Dogwood, Moss Trail, etc.) I'd find a short section of tight fast singletrack but then end up in a mowed clearing that was all dug up with horse post holes. I think I would skip all this stuff next time and just ride Honeysuckle forward and backwards, as it was pretty cool.

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    so are these trails singletrack? I have low inter GF do you think she can ride these? these are very close to her parents house....

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    Mostly single track if you ride the sections that are discussed on this thread. I would think she would be fine here there may be a few sections on the blue trail that you need to watch, a couple rocky ravines otherwise pretty tame. Let us know what you think if you get out there, we will be out this weekend.

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