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    New question here. Gnarliest hill you mt bike up or down in Pa

    Gnarliest hill you mt bike up or down in Pa

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    ... and if we just ...

    Some favs...

    mOOn Lake, Trail 8, section 8.4 known to locals as "The uphill challenge"...
    ...ya get a run at it, but the tough line has a rock ledge step about 2 feet high, rock infested on the way up robs your speed.

    mOOn Lake, Trail NFS, 2 sections, on the lower half climbing up right from the Flume the first uphill stright shot just steep as s88t...
    ...the other further up still in the lower section, there is a right turn with roots galore, dry it's hard, wet it's impossible!

    HCGA, Up "HELL FROZE OVER"... nuff said

    HCGA Down "Mono Rock trail" just a huge slab of rock with rocks on it, tossed about: 3 lines: 1 = scarry 2. = scarry-er 3. = dead dead dead

    I'll stop back and add pics!

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    I will one day return to Geisinger and beat the Jeep Road!!!
    Waging war on my pedals every chance I get!!!

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    not in PA but I've been up and down Lion's Back in Moab

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr500 View Post
    not in PA but I've been up and down Lion's Back in Moab
    i'm not normally an elitist pig this way, but can we keep it pedal-powered?

    gotta be someone crazy enough to pedal up Lion's Back though.

    ps. worst 30 minutes of my life was being front passenger when my friend just "had" to take is Land Rover up and down. I literally almost killed him once we got off the hill. Maybe that's why he stopped biking with me?

    craziest thing I ever cleaned was the Waterfall on La Milagrosa trail in Tuscon AZ. Picture doesn't do it justice....but that's no in PA so I'm deleting the rest of this mess.
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    There are a few climbs at Da' Wiss that are pretty gnarly. There is one that has water bars every two pedal strokes that you have to literally hop up.

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    Maybe Gross Pass trail in Bald Eagle SF? Downward only, definitely. I'm not stout enough of heart to attempt climbing that *****. Steep, narrow, shrub-lined, and did I say steep?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    Gnarliest hill you mt bike up or down in Pa

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    Widowmaker at Geisinger... don't know the exact stats, but if you start from the trailhead at red lane and climb all the way up to top, you can gain about 360 feet over about a half mile, you can keep going up from there, but it is more gradual. If anyone has the exact stats, or percent grade, lay it on me.

    I've only ever made it a few times... usually by the time I end up on it I am too tired to worry about the shame of walking a good portion of it.

    Oh, and there are a few other good ones at Geisinger.... like all of them. But I think most people hate widowmaker the most because it is just arrogantly boring also... there is no good reason to do it (unless you just like suffering) except it gets you back to "the top". I enjoy a good challenge, but seriously, riding it is like going to the dentist.
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    "Stinger"...

    ...on the Laurel Classic Mt bike race course near Wellsboro. It's a 600 foot downhill, pretty much straight down in a big rut, one time racing it I pealed the front tire right off the rim, about 3/4 of the way down, braking for all I'm worth, over the bars, rolled to the bottom, stood up and here came the bike right at me!

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    There are a few climbs at Da' Wiss that are pretty gnarly.
    I Second This!! There is even THE MONSTER climb here also....

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    Climbs?
    1) French Creek - Firetower climb is the hardest I have ever cleaned. Nothing but rocks, super steep, and no line... Just as nasty going down also...
    2) Camp Mack - Horseshoe trail, from the Pumping Station Rd side all the way up to Eagle Rock, and Lost Valley, from the dirt road all the way to the top.
    3) Blue Marsh - Back Side of the ski slope.
    Downs?
    1) Mt. Penn - Skill Hill is not real long, but it is nasty. I have gone over the bars just about every time I have tried it.
    2) Gretna - Trail 4 (Super fun, but gnarly near the bottom)
    Technical?
    1) Mt. Penn - Vietnam, and the trail that runs along Skyline Drive near the radio towers
    2) Gretna - Trail 15

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    camp mack the "lost trail' is real tuff going uphill with all the stepups....gretna has the walking trail climb right off the parking lot by trail 13....its long an steep definatley a leg burner at the end of a ride....down trail 4 to 15 is always fun...the hell hill at blue marsh i couldnt do last time i had to give up an walk the end of it...

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    Where the hell are the pics?

    Looking to make a trip over to the Pittsburgh area to ride and I'm looking for options. I like it rough, rocks, drops, climbs that make an average man puke.
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    Up the backside from the creek at Merli to the top, then your enjoyment is wobbling along the Porcupine cliffs trying not to fall off!

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    Bear,

    Ed B and I both pedaled mt bikes up and back down Lion's back, the video was just for reference since everyone has seen it. I've never been up or down it any other way than on a mt bike. It's Moab slickrock so there is more traction than you need. It's pretty open and a bit scarey but I would think in a truck would be more un-nerving with the blind spots.

    I haven't ridden the trail yet but Chiffer and friends built a trail up Plymouth mountain that can't be easy no matter how many switchbacks they put in.

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    I ave ridden at slickrock and that stuff is nuts. My first time there I managed a climb that was over 20% - only about 40' long though. Took me 30 mins or so before I could stand up again after!

    Huge props to you for going up lions back - it is just not on my radar of "worth it"!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Six Pack View Post
    Widowmaker at Geisinger... don't know the exact stats, but if you start from the trailhead at red lane and climb all the way up to top, you can gain about 360 feet over about a half mile, you can keep going up from there, but it is more gradual. If anyone has the exact stats, or percent grade, lay it on me.

    I've only ever made it a few times... usually by the time I end up on it I am too tired to worry about the shame of walking a good portion of it.

    Oh, and there are a few other good ones at Geisinger.... like all of them. But I think most people hate widowmaker the most because it is just arrogantly boring also... there is no good reason to do it (unless you just like suffering) except it gets you back to "the top". I enjoy a good challenge, but seriously, riding it is like going to the dentist.
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    Are you talking about the road to the top? Or is there a trail called widowmaker that I don't know about?

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    Where the hell are the pics?
    Here is one at 'The Wiss'---Greatest Trail Ever (Considering Location, Ability levels, FLOW, and the fact that if you ride solo and crash---someone will be there shortly to help out!!)---
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    Quote Originally Posted by crfnick56 View Post
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    Are you talking about the road to the top? Or is there a trail called widowmaker that I don't know about?
    There's a trail to the left of the road.

    Relentless Climb, is what I would call it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    Here is one at 'The Wiss'---Greatest Trail Ever (Considering Location, Ability levels, FLOW, and the fact that if you ride solo and crash---someone will be there shortly to help out!!)---
    Is that the trail on the backside of the chief? The one after you climb to the chief and go down and than back up? 20 years ago on my old rock-hopper, I used to clean that. Now, on my fancy schmanzy full suspension bike, I can't make it. Man to be 20 again!

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    Is that the trail on the backside of the chief? The one after you climb to the chief and go down and than back up? 20 years ago on my old rock-hopper, I used to clean that. Now, on my fancy schmanzy full suspension bike, I can't make it. Man to be 20 again!
    Yeah that's it (though there is a harder spot than this there--in my opinion)

    The funny thing is 3 years ago I built this bike (first MTB) at age 39, and now 3 years later (42yrs old) I can FINALLY Clear It!!

    --Funny thing ALSO the 'Fitness Shape I am in now' because of Mountain Biking.
    It Blows Away what I could do 20 years ago!! (at 22 I could not even touch the net on a basketball court)--and now I can 'smack' the backboard... ---AND the people I knew who could Dunk a basketball 20 years ago (can't even play basketball now) because of knee's, back's, etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crfnick56 View Post
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    Are you talking about the road to the top? Or is there a trail called widowmaker that I don't know about?
    Nah, the road to the top is boring, but not too bad. Widowmaker is on the side near red lane. Starts down near the creek bed and ends up crossing the power lines. It may actually be slightly outside of the stewardship forest, but it is not posted.
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    Hmmmm.....Some edits after reading responses...

    ....Climbs....
    Lackawanna State Park.....Abington Trail about 4 different sections
    then....Stoney cabin Ridge....short but steep and loose at the end....
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    Downhill.....
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    380 Trail....last part down to Lake francis road...
    Moon Lake.....NFS...first steep section down to the service road.....

    Will have to find some pics.....
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    Up - Drakes creek singletrack up to summer mt. loop off 903 north of J.T. Also, not a full ride, but a steep climb off a back road to Tuscarora lake near Tamaqua. And the giants depair hill climb race - 600 vert in a mile (10:46 my best time). As for down Stinger and Grosses both good picks. Once biked down the glen onoko hiking trail from the top of the broad. That was scetchy!

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    The "Expert" downhill at Moraine State Park. Begins at about 4:00 in this video:

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    For shear ridiculousness it would be hard to beat the hill from the railroad bed/deer dump down to the creek above the Ashley Tubs. The rock face at the top is insane steep and the rest of the trail is a bombed out rain rut in the best of years. Use to be a favorite dirtbike route but Iíve gone down it a few times on a mt bike. Then finish it off by going under 81 in the tunnel and out to Ashley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B-Mac View Post
    The "Expert" downhill at Moraine State Park. Begins at about 4:00 in this video:

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    loved watching ! great video !!!!

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    Moraine looks fun to me, too bad it's so far away. :^)

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    That Stinger trail in Wellsboro during a race is a hard decent.
    Are you saying the NFS lower section has been made before?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 247 View Post
    Yeah that's it (though there is a harder spot than this there--in my opinion)

    The funny thing is 3 years ago I built this bike (first MTB) at age 39, and now 3 years later (42yrs old) I can FINALLY Clear It!!

    --Funny thing ALSO the 'Fitness Shape I am in now' because of Mountain Biking.
    It Blows Away what I could do 20 years ago!! (at 22 I could not even touch the net on a basketball court)--and now I can 'smack' the backboard... ---AND the people I knew who could Dunk a basketball 20 years ago (can't even play basketball now) because of knee's, back's, etc....

    Just getting started in my mid 30s, this is incredibly encouraging to read!

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    I am a newbie rider so I haven't been riding long, but the climb up the Abington Trail at Lackawanna State Park that JeffSkisMontana mentioned is def challenging. The climb up Bull Hill Trail at Lackawanna State Park is pretty tough too (for me anyways haha)

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    Just getting started in my mid 30s, this is incredibly encouraging to read!
    The more you get into Mountain Biking (the more you want to eat right and get in shape)---So it definately promotes a lifestyle change!!--in my opinion (especially the older you get)-----BUT I built my first bike 3 years ago strictly for Health and Fitness (and then just loved riding----)

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    Good job!

    A few more:

    The climb outta Ole Bull State Park up the dirt road(name silps me right now) then Swartwood log skid to the top is a killer hill climb, coming down it's fast and with a abrupt stop at the bottom. If your not looking as one poor rider did in front of me at the race crashed right into the drainage pipe, flew over the dirt road down the other side minus his bike! He did get up and walk away, but not in good shape!

    Campbell's Ledge climb, 2 miles to the top, private property, so I won't expand on that one!

    The Wagon Road at Jim Thorpe going up to the top of Mt Pisgah, is one hell of a climb and with ltfubar's latest post in another thread we now have a grapic look at this killer climb!

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    i forget it but i am sure one of you know the name. there is a descent in jim thorpe i have done a couple times.

    starts at the top of broad mountain and goes all the way down to the river in a very direct manner. not only is the descent super gnarly; then you have to shimmy yourself and your bike across some narrow ass bridge pipe thing to cross the river and get to the fireroads back into town. i don't know if the descent or the shimmy over the fast moving water is scarier but that is probably the scariest thing i have been on in my years of riding.

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    Havnt been to many trails with extreme hill climbs, but Blue Marsh definately has its share. Lol...love hills with no obstacles. Challanges my endurance"!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    you have to shimmy yourself and your bike across some narrow ass bridge pipe thing to cross the river and get to the fireroads back into town.




    I know the pipeline bridge your talking about never thought of crossing it....

    you crossed over the tracks then the river or the other way around?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltfubar View Post
    Back in the 1980s that pipe saw more traffic than ever, in one of the old school JT map books I have, they tell you to cross that Pipeline!

    Ah, the good ol' "less lawyers around" days!... LOL

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    Old Natalie Road Weiser State Forest Roaring Creek Tract. Steady climb for approximately a mile, it sure tests my lungs!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ltfubar View Post
    I know the pipeline bridge your talking about never thought of crossing it....
    that looks like the same type of bridge for sure but the one we shimmied over is not so high and just goes over a creek not train tracks as well.

    and as a bonus i think my memory decided to cooperate; the trail is called jane's run i believe. woo gnarly!

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    Good job!

    Moon Lake, NFS from top to bottom...

    Thanks ltfubar for da graph...
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    That NFS graph rules! You don't realize the climb up Watking, Goin' Up and T-Rex-2 on the way to NFS until you look at it on this graph. Coming back up 5858 is a nasty uphill with all of those rocks! And who said the Moon isn't a challenge!?!?!?!

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    Good job!

    Time to gear down...
    ...or buy a parachute

    Depending on which way your going!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A-Ray View Post
    Climbs?
    1) French Creek - Firetower climb is the hardest I have ever cleaned. Nothing but rocks, super steep, and no line... Just as nasty going down also...
    3) Blue Marsh - Back Side of the ski slope.
    Downs?
    1) Mt. Penn - Skill Hill is not real long, but it is nasty. I have gone over the bars just about every time I have tried it.
    Technical?
    1) Mt. Penn - Vietnam, and the trail that runs along Skyline Drive near the radio towers
    Yeah... French Creek is pretty crazy in some spots!
    Bear Creek is even rockier... No clean lines through some of the gardens!

    Mt. Penn is great! I love it!

    I'll post up some pics (what I have) and some links to my garmin maps... The maps will show elevation.

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    The down hill that you did at Jim Thorpe and crossed the pipe bridge over the Creek is called the "Death March"......We TRY to ride up it a few times a year...BUT....Never cleaned it. And the creek is the Nesquehoning creek....That's just a bit before it reaches the Lehigh River.

    And with a name like "Death March".....It gets my Vote.
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    Nesquehoning Mountain climb behind Redner's Warehouse Market in Nesquehoning, Pa. Cleaned it once on a 32x18.
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    Gene's Run was always a techy butt pucker downhill down to a pipe bridge then over to the Rails and left back into town....there are others though that take you into the gorge....Road one of them once, never knew it's name, was super steep single track, wen't by some ruins and some really cool rock formations.

    But other good Hills I've done in the area would be....

    The Laurel Bush Single track off the Buzzard point loop that eventually takes you all the down to Penn Haven in the gorge.

    Bob's Bail out Option on Pycho Betty's Revenge.

    Believe it of not the old inclined plane....Took a group there once....dude was bragging how awesome of a rider he was.....he made it 100' hit one of the washout barriers, flipped about 3 times in the air, destroyed his bike, dislocated his shoulder and broke his arm. But ya know, they didn't want to listen to me ;p

    The old wagon road that takes you down from the over look on the Switchback back behind the JT School....that's wicked with all the rocks....well it used to be.

    A single track above the Mary D Water Dam in Mary D....pretty steep and fast.

    Double Track hill from Above Brockton down to the White Creek, part of the Mary D Standard.

    Those are a few, some don't have a real name or a park their in.

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    Going down! The Ross Trail in State College.
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    gene's run? i thought it was jane's run but i guess you could see how those two sound pretty similar.

    need to get back there in any case it has been too long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by max-a-mill View Post
    that looks like the same type of bridge for sure but the one we shimmied over is not so high and just goes over a creek not train tracks as well.

    and as a bonus i think my memory decided to cooperate; the trail is called jane's run i believe. woo gnarly!
    That's Gene's Run you came down from above on the Broad Mtn. You crossed over the Glenn Onoka Stream then basically headed straight in the woods on some gnarly crazy stuff. Takes you down to the Rail to Trail between JT and Nesq. Make a left and you head back towards JT.

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