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    Dirt Fest 2014

    I saw this and thought I would share, how many people have gone before? I was thinking of checking it out this year. Maybe get a group together possibly camp over night, I dunno.

    Raystown - DirtFest 2014, Allegrippis Trails at Raystown Lake

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    I haven't gone before but I am totally going this year! I have a secluded house rented about 3 miles away, can't wait.
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    Loads of fun...riding, demos, camping, etc. I've gone to 3 in a row and signed up for this year as well. The Southern trails are my favorites (Stony Trail). Last year a few of us rode over at Rothrock on Saturday to mix it up a little and had a blast there too.
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    Never been before, but already signed up for this year. Should have a good sized group going and it sounds like a blast. For people that have been before...do the campsites get really backed up with cars coming/going? What is the best time to show up to avoid any traffic/backups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by j ball View Post
    Never been before, but already signed up for this year. Should have a good sized group going and it sounds like a blast. For people that have been before...do the campsites get really backed up with cars coming/going? What is the best time to show up to avoid any traffic/backups?
    Some depends on which campsite you end up with... they are allocated based on how many people are in your group. The campsite locations for groups are announced a couple weeks before the event.

    We ended up with a waterfront spot last year and found it to be cramped and off camber as compared to the inland spot we'd had the 3 previous years. I didn't move my car once it was parked last year... not a lot of parking at that campsite.

    I've driven my car to the showers over at the RV site (like ~5 mi away) in past years and managed to get a decent parking place when I returned to the campsite.

    I try to arrive Friday afternoon to setup camp and go for a ride.

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    DirtFest is a great fest. A beer fest with a bike problem!

    But really, a great party with great riding and vendors, really laid back atmosphere.
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    Went last year, signed up again this year.

    Only thing I don't like is that they're saying no dogs this year. Had my dog there last year and he was no problem, along with any other dog I saw.

    I have a feeling a lot of people will be bringing dogs anyway.
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    What do you need to sign up for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by D Boogie C View Post
    What do you need to sign up for?
    Ahhhh, the activities maybe?

    If you aren't camping there it costs $40 for 3 days of access to the vendors, expo, events, demos, skills clinics, beer, etc.

    I'm sure Dirt Rag has eaten a lot of expenses for at least some of the past four years they've put it on. Even at $65 if you are camping there it is a heck of a deal...
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    I went last year and had a blast, going again this year. You don't have to camp at the festival site there is camping at seven points campground 2ish miles away. They run a shuttle or you can ride a connecting trail to the event.

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    ok, I didnt realize you had to pay haha. Where can you sign up?

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    Bikereg.com

    Went last year, had a blast and it's now on the yearly list of weekend trips.

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    Are there any hotels close by?

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    Define "close"

    You'd probably have a better chance finding a bed n breakfast.

    Either way, you're probably looking at 30-60 minutes away.

    Lodging options in the area: Lodging in The Raystown Lake Area
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    I will be going, already reserved my campsites. I've never attended Dirt Fest before but have done a few Raystown weekends, should be fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    Are there any hotels close by?
    Huntingdon Motor Inn is about 25-30 min away, in town. Otherwise the closer options are private house rentals.
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    To the people who have attended this event, is it one of those get drunk and party all night type of events? If so I would rather go to Raystown when there is less people and I can enjoy the trails.

    I was planning on taking my 14 y/o nephew

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    Quote Originally Posted by sml-2727 View Post
    To the people who have attended this event, is it one of those get drunk and party all night type of events? If so I would rather go to Raystown when there is less people and I can enjoy the trails.

    I was planning on taking my 14 y/o nephew
    If you just want to get out there to check out the trails, it would be way better to go when it's less crowded. In other words, to answer your question, yes, it gets rowdy.
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    I and a few friends have gotten a spot down in 7 Points campground, we'll be tooling over for silliness BUT this keeps us "old pharts" in a place where we will actually be able to get some sleep while the rowdies party hardy over at the venue.

    There's singletrack connecting the two areas.

    Or, of need be, coasting down the roads when you're too "gone" to ride singletrack.

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    I've been taking my son and one of his friends since they were 13. I'll never forget the second year we show up just as a houseboat full of mountain bikers is drifting by. About three guys are on the top deck mooning all the campers. It definitely gets rowdy, but I think you can manage it. You might smell some "odors" at the live music and you will definitely see some excessive drinking.

    We were there to camp, ride, and enjoy the demo bikes. We were so tired from riding all day that we didn't stay up real late. I would rather have my son exposed to this stuff while he is with me. You can have a good time with a younger one, but I personally wouldn't go any younger than 13 - 14. I'm not ready to take my 10 year old daughter.

    Hope this helps

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    I havenít missed a DirtFest yet and Iím already registered this year. DirtFest is exactly what you make it.

    1. The riding is generally excellent as most of the trails close to the campground are directional for the weekend. The only time they are ďcrowdedĒ is when you stop and actually see how many people are behind you. Every intersection is a gathering of likeminded exhausted grinning riders.

    2. The EVENING festivities which are ďquestionableĒ for those under 21 are such a small part of the weekend I really canít understand why it is always the focus. Yes, there is beer, yes there is loud music, yes there are a lot of people having fun. Iím not completely knowledgeable of every activity but I believe there have only been a couple of people asked to calm down in several years and never to the level that the Rangers or Police were involved.

    3. This is absolutely not an weekend drinking party. If that is your expectation you should stay home. There are organized rides, women only rides, kidís rides, a loosely run race to the bottom of the hill where the first riders got a houseboat ride back to camp and everyone else has to ride back (up hill). There are night rides where Light-in-motion provided everyone with lights (as long as you signed up in time), a skills park and a basic skills class, and demo bikes, lots and lots of demo bikes. If you are interested in a bike or a part or a tire where else can you give your name and number and take it for a test ride or ride a bike that is several thousand dollars outside of you price range?

    4. You donít have to participate in the evening activities and most donít. A good number stay at camp resting/recovering for the next day, I choose to stay at Seven Points campground because they have hot showers, electricity and flush toilets. Last year the upper two campground loops were almost all DirtFest campers, lots of kids, dogs and non-riding spouses.

    5. These photos are a better representation of what you will see. Photos | Dirt Rag Dirt Fest, presented by Niner Bikes

    6. If you just want to see the trails this may not be the best weekend. If you are the least bit interested in meeting new people, mountain bike culture, having loosely organized fun with a lot of riders doing the same thing itís hard to beat.

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    I have gone the last two years and have not seen anything during the day that I wouldn't expose my kids to. I have not been there at night though. The vendors, demos, and the trail maps you get at check in along with clearly marked trails, make it a great way to experience the awesomeness of Alegrippis for the first time. I have been there a few times when there was no event, and the trails are fantastic, but I miss the shared enthusiasm.
    My main advice is to not rely on the shuttles. They are crowded and infrequent. They shuttle from the visitor center in a big school bus, then transfer to a short bus to get down to the expo area. We started walking after waiting too long, then got picked up by some samaritans who had a camping pass to drive in.

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    Ok my main question is, If I show up on Sunday morning can I ride for the day and mingle with some riders and leave or do I have to pay to get on the trails. Or is the fee just for all the Demo's and stuff like that.

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    The trails are always free to ride. Without a wristband you won't be allowed to enter the vendor area. If you should wander into the area inadvertently you can't demo anything.

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    Spot on.

    Quote Originally Posted by Echo2 View Post
    I havenít missed a DirtFest yet and Iím already registered this year. DirtFest is exactly what you make it.

    1. The riding is generally excellent as most of the trails close to the campground are directional for the weekend. The only time they are ďcrowdedĒ is when you stop and actually see how many people are behind you. Every intersection is a gathering of likeminded exhausted grinning riders.

    2. The EVENING festivities which are ďquestionableĒ for those under 21 are such a small part of the weekend I really canít understand why it is always the focus. Yes, there is beer, yes there is loud music, yes there are a lot of people having fun. Iím not completely knowledgeable of every activity but I believe there have only been a couple of people asked to calm down in several years and never to the level that the Rangers or Police were involved.

    3. This is absolutely not an weekend drinking party. If that is your expectation you should stay home. There are organized rides, women only rides, kidís rides, a loosely run race to the bottom of the hill where the first riders got a houseboat ride back to camp and everyone else has to ride back (up hill). There are night rides where Light-in-motion provided everyone with lights (as long as you signed up in time), a skills park and a basic skills class, and demo bikes, lots and lots of demo bikes. If you are interested in a bike or a part or a tire where else can you give your name and number and take it for a test ride or ride a bike that is several thousand dollars outside of you price range?

    4. You donít have to participate in the evening activities and most donít. A good number stay at camp resting/recovering for the next day, I choose to stay at Seven Points campground because they have hot showers, electricity and flush toilets. Last year the upper two campground loops were almost all DirtFest campers, lots of kids, dogs and non-riding spouses.

    5. These photos are a better representation of what you will see. Photos | Dirt Rag Dirt Fest, presented by Niner Bikes

    6. If you just want to see the trails this may not be the best weekend. If you are the least bit interested in meeting new people, mountain bike culture, having loosely organized fun with a lot of riders doing the same thing itís hard to beat.

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    Dirt Fest is rad. Anyone who comes should make it a point to thank some of the people working to make this event happen. Plenty of cool folks volunteer a lot of their time to make this whole thing happen so give them some love.

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    Can't wait for the demos, I can already taste the dirt and bugs at the back of my throat!

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    Dirt Fest 2014

    Hi. This is my first year going to the Dirt Fest and I was about to register for it and noticed that the camping on site is closed.

    So has anyone camped off site and where? On the Dirt Fest site, it suggests, Seven Points Campground, is anyone staying here?

    Any information would be helpful, thanks!

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    Seven Points is a short trail ride over to ground zero for Dirt fest. It also has amenities, like a shower. The camping at dirtfest is primative. I've done Seven Points a bunch of times. Its no problem. Can be a little bit of pain riding back after catching a load at the beer garden or watching the bands at night, but they also run a shuttle. Its a great time, don't miss it.
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    They have already reached the max amount of registrations for on site camping. If you are there just for the biking, you probably won't want to be there anyways. It's going to be crowded. Like justriding said, there is the Seven Points campground, I'm considering getting a site at Senoia and welcoming fellow mountain biking strangers who want to help save on camping cost since there is enough room on one site for more than just me and my three friends. I can let you know more if interested.

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    Not going out for Dirtfest, but will be out later in the year. We stayed in the Ridge Camp at 7 Points Campground last year. It is nice, has hot showers, and mostly shaded sites. It's the closest campground to the trails, and it's a pretty easy ride to the trails. Any of the other camps are lower into the valley and closer to the lake, but it's a hell of a ride to the trails. We liked it enough that we have reserved sites in the Ridge Camp again this year.
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    Sounds like Drunkfest....

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    Wow I didn't think about looking into this until now. Can you rent/demo bikes to ride the local trails?

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    There are some who imbibe suds heavily though nighttime rowdiness is not too bad compared to some of the other events I've attended. I always wear ear plugs when I'm sleeping which helps immensely.

    Lots of vendors with demos galore nowadays and in general, people are very cordial/friendly/etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    Wow I didn't think about looking into this until now. Can you rent/demo bikes to ride the local trails?
    There are loads of bikes to demo on the trails. They just typically ask that you keep it to an hour or so to give others a chance. I have gone twice and never had to wait to get a bike to ride, unlike some other single brand demo events I have attended.

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    Can't wait, heading up Wednesday.
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    I'm heading up Thursday, had a blast last year and hope for more of the same this year.

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    We'll be heading in either Friday night or Saturday morning early.

    So any suggestions on which type bike to bring? I've got a geared 140mm travel hardtail and a 100mm hardtail single speed...

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    Just registered and got a campsite at Raystown Family Campground. About 5 miles away but all the camp sites at 7 Points were booked.

    We'll be heading in either Friday night or Saturday morning early.

    So any suggestions on which type bike to bring? I've got a geared 140mm travel hardtail and a 100mm hardtail single speed...
    Which one has shorter chainstays? Honestly, you probably couldn't go wrong either way.

    I've ridden both my 29er and my Pug out there before...and I'm taking the pug out for this weekend. It's so much fun on those trails. Probably gonna demo a Krampus, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    Which one has shorter chainstays? Honestly, you probably couldn't go wrong either way.

    I've ridden both my 29er and my Pug out there before...and I'm taking the pug out for this weekend. It's so much fun on those trails. Probably gonna demo a Krampus, too.
    Cool. Thanks.

    Both have VERY short chainstays for a 29er. Single Speed is a Gen 2 Canfield Nimble 9 and the geared one is a YelliScreamy.

    OH yeah, and I was just able to snag a site at Seven Points! PCAM loop

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    Anyone have room in an open group camping site? I know Pheasant Hill only allows 1 tent per site, and obviously Susquehannock is closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Anyone have room in an open group camping site? I know Pheasant Hill only allows 1 tent per site, and obviously Susquehannock is closed.
    I have a site at Senoia. It's a 3 mile ride to the action or 1.5 mile boat ride if you need a place to throw a tent. Feel free to PM me.

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    anyone know when the last day to register is?

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    You can register up until Thursday then I think its just Pay At The Gate. You'll spend an extra $5 day of the event.

    The trick is finding camping as most places fill up in the weeks ahead of the event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    You can register up until Thursday then I think its just Pay At The Gate. You'll spend an extra $5 day of the event.

    The trick is finding camping as most places fill up in the weeks ahead of the event.
    Ok awesome, that's what I thought. Thanks

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    Does anyone know how the Raystown trails hold up after some decent rain? The weather for this Friday isn't looking too good. Trying to decide if the trails will be ride-able on Sat/Sunday?

    I don't want to make trip out there Friday if the DirtFest is just going to be a MudFest =)

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    It drains incredibly well but its clay shale closer to the lake so although it dries out quickly its pretty sticky until then. If tempt stay as warm as what they have been this week it'll be dry by Saturday.

    Also depends on whether we get a quick hard shower versus sustained rain throughout the end of the week.
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    Last I saw was sustained rain, totaling between 2 to 4 inches between Thursday and Friday.
    My buddies and I are debating whether it will be worth the drive out for one day of riding if Friday and early Saturday are a wash out.
    Here's hoping the forecast changes...

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    Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of. I'm keeping an eye on the weather as well.

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    Meh, the weekend will happen with or without rain- there are better weekends to go for the best riding there, namely when there aren't 600 people on the trails. This weekend is all about the festy atmosphere. A little rain won't spoil anything, especially if if ends Friday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcaino View Post
    Which one has shorter chainstays? Honestly, you probably couldn't go wrong either way.

    I've ridden both my 29er and my Pug out there before...and I'm taking the pug out for this weekend. It's so much fun on those trails. Probably gonna demo a Krampus, too.
    Ooh, I'm taking my Pugs too, if you see a dude with a black one with a silver Lefty, that's me, we can acknowledge each other with knowing nods.
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    We should make a mandatory fatbike group ride to squeegee the trails before everyone else ruts them out. Just saying.

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    I'll keep an eye out for you Jared...mine is a snowblind pug with green bits and carbon bars.

    There will be at least 2 others in our group with Mukluks and another with a Pug Ops.
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    I'm heading up tomorrow afternoon, can't wait!

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    Bring your rain gear and front fender. It rained a few years back at Dirtfest, and I remember the bottom of most every dip there was a puddle, and the front tire always threw a little mud right in the eyes when you hit those puddles. The soil and trail layout drains pretty well otherwise.

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    Probably sticking to the fatbike for the first day to help with the puddles. It should be pretty decent through saturday with everyone splashing the puddles, sticky dirt's always better than dusty packed dirt in my opinion.

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    I should have an extra campsite at 7 Points if anybody still needs one. Shoot me a pm if you're interested.

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    The rain blew over pretty quick, so hopefully by Saturday morning stuff will have dried out. Unfortunately for folks who showed up on Thursday, Friday must have been a bust.
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    I'll be leaving soon for the Fest! First time there. Managed to score a cabin a while ago. One more blue Cannondale Caffeine with a very out of shape rider on it! Hope it drains well. Unlike Nox and Green Lane...

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    Somewhat local to Raystown. Got a lot of rain Thursday night. Stopped Friday morning around 8AM. 60s with a slight breeze rest of day on Friday. Think by Saturday late AM trails would be nice and tacky in the soil areas, rocky soil areas obviously sooner. May be a few wet spots in low spots and shaded areas. Enjoy the fest. I'm staying away - let all the visitors enjoy the trails this weekend. I've got all the other weekends in the year to light it up.

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    Conditions? I'm just starting my vacay and am looking for places not ravaged by flooding and/or twisters.

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    Saturday the trails I rode were very muddy in spots. I rode the blue sections following the event signs. I wrecked on osprey my second time through. Guess I lost it over a roller and crashed. Vaguely remember going OTB and woke up in an ambulance on my way to a helicopter. Went to Altoona and got stitches above my left eye and a lot of scans. I'm fine besides a concussion, the stitches, and some trail rash.

    Thanks to Evan for getting me my bike back. To the hospital staff and the emts for taking care of me. And who ever found me and helped in anyway. Had a blast otherwise and hope to be back again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetik View Post
    Saturday the trails I rode were very muddy in spots. I rode the blue sections following the event signs. I wrecked on osprey my second time through. Guess I lost it over a roller and crashed. Vaguely remember going OTB and woke up in an ambulance on my way to a helicopter. Went to Altoona and got stitches above my left eye and a lot of scans. I'm fine besides a concussion, the stitches, and some trail rash.

    Thanks to Evan for getting me my bike back. To the hospital staff and the emts for taking care of me. And who ever found me and helped in anyway. Had a blast otherwise and hope to be back again.
    Sounds like you had a good weekend kidding..heal up bud.
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    Honestly I had a blast! Would've been nice finish the ride without the hospital flight but I really enjoyed myself otherwise. Thanks for the well wishes!

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    I rode about 17 heinously muddy miles on Friday afternoon, then about 30 Saturday and went home Saturday night. Overall a good time. Now I know who the sirens were for!

    I will say this- I haven't been to Raystown for about 3 years. In those 3 years I've advanced in skill considerably. Regarding the dips/rollers, the spacing on a lot of them seems kind of funny- if you time them properly you either are going relatively slow or you are flying at breakneck pace to clear them two at a time. The middle, where many (most?) people's skills are, that seems to be asking for trouble.

    Saturday was funny- there were soooo many people who were hurting from their festivities the night before.

    Only annoyance was Allie was two way on Saturday but people heading clockwise were misinterpreting a sign at the start of Allie, and my friend and I got heckled twice by people thinking we were wrong way, and almost got into a bad collision when we were heading on Allie counter-clockwise.

    I would have liked to meet Kevin Menard but kept missing him!
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    Just got back from Dirt Fest. Holy Hell that was fun!! I ate more mud and dirt then ever cause i was smiling so much.

    I Demo'd a 29er FS SRAM/SCOTT Spark collaboration bike and love it. Carbon, 1x11, XO, 100mm travel... felt like low 20# and an extension of my body. ha

    Any body else want to share their DEMO experience?

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    Any body else want to share their DEMO experience?
    I demo'd plenty of Sly Fox Beer over the weekend. Thoroughly enjoyed the Indian Pale ale.

    Somehow found myself in the middle of a race to the lookout on Hydroloop which awarded me a spot on the prestigious pontoon boat cruz around Raystown lake with some cool blokes, some crazy ass in a pink tiger stripped Speedo and more beer.

    Watched a badass clunker wheely contest, during which some random dude in spandex literally manualed the entire hill down into the event and through the contest and out the other end into the demo area. Had to be like 200 yards or more going 10-12mph.

    Also, there may or may not have been a giraffe. Yeah, it was a good weekend.

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    Great event for sure. Once again I didnt bother to get the full use of my entrance fee. I didnt do any demos but I was able to see some products I have been interested in.

    I only get out to those trails once or twice a year and I always leave thinking I should get back as soon as possible.

    I was also encouraged by the number of women I saw this year. In the past I remember seeing the wives/girlfriends that get brought along, but this year I passed several groups that appeared to be on their own. Its really good to see it taking off with women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by onegearaddict View Post
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    Also, there may or may not have been a giraffe. Yeah, it was a good weekend.
    Oh thank God you saw it too. Thought I was seeing things after one too many visits to Oscar Blues.

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    Im glad you confirmed that you are OK energetik. We were at the top of Osprey when the ambulance came and everyone was concerned for your well being.

    Once nice thing about dirtfest was that almost everyone was cool and laid back. The only exceptions being a bachelor party that ran their houseboat into ours as well as another boat and a group of roadies that must have borrowed some MTB's lol.
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    It was a good year. I didn't wreck.

    Specialized left a sour taste in my mouth though. Saturday and Sunday I showed up early at their booth because they told me there were so many people wanting the E29, only to have them not open for another hour.

    I won't buy a Enduro 29 until I can ride one and they certainly aren't make that very easy.
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    First timer here and can't wait till next year. Momma and I had a great time with some fantastic people. We demoed ibis, pivot and sram bikes and got all kinds of comments about our own 35 year old bikes and clothing. Now I gotta figure out how to mortgage the house to afford two these new mountain bikes. Kudos to all the volunteers and vendors. You people just rock ! You enthusiasm boiled over so we all got into the vibe.
    Many Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetik View Post
    Honestly I had a blast! Would've been nice finish the ride without the hospital flight but I really enjoyed myself otherwise. Thanks for the well wishes!
    Glad to hear you are okay... sending healing vibes.

    I was dropping my wife off at the ladies skills clinic and it was obvious that something not good happened a bit higher up on Osprey

    I rode every day of the event and hit the South trails (fasssst on Sunday) and slower paced w/ da wifey on Monday before we headed out in the afternoon.
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    Such a fun fest! I'm happy the rain was just Thursday into Friday. Just enough to keep some trails muddy all weekend so that riders all had the proper warpaint after a ride. Although, we had an ez-up that, by all means, should have exploded into 70 pieces under the weight of the rain water that had pooled up in the canopy overnight.

    I got out for rides Saturday and Sunday, in between helping with the Wabi Sabi truck. It was a work and play weekend, which left me thoroughly exhausted by Sunday night, but the energy of the people and the good vibes all around simply propelled everybody through with a huge grin. A few beers helped, and there were certainly some good ones to be sipped.

    I think there were more families and women this year, which is great for these events. A total dude weekend is not as sustainable. DirtFest has got to be one of the best east coast-ish biking events at this point. I missed out on all of the Jim Thorpe stuff, which has an air of legend to it, but DirtFest seems to have picked up the torch.

    I love the vibe of DirtFest, here's to many more!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gustavej View Post
    I think there were more families and women this year
    More women sounds great, where they showing any skin?

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    More women sounds great, where they showing any skin?
    I saw some skinwall hybrid tires.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Energetik View Post
    Saturday the trails I rode were very muddy in spots. I rode the blue sections following the event signs. I wrecked on osprey my second time through. Guess I lost it over a roller and crashed. Vaguely remember going OTB and woke up in an ambulance on my way to a helicopter. Went to Altoona and got stitches above my left eye and a lot of scans. I'm fine besides a concussion, the stitches, and some trail rash.

    Thanks to Evan for getting me my bike back. To the hospital staff and the emts for taking care of me. And who ever found me and helped in anyway. Had a blast otherwise and hope to be back again.
    Oh man, did that stupid root after the switchbacks get you? I did a hard OTB on that one on Friday, hard enough to break a spoke and tweak my front wheel. It literally steers you right off the trail and is on the backside of the first roller, right on the landing if you air it, after the switchbacks. I was thinking after I crashed that it was seriously going to hurt someone. Glad you seem to be alright.
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