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    New question here. Camp Mack trail routes ......

    Hey guys. Looking to do my first ride at Camp Mack. I printed out the map with the green only summer trails. I'm looking for any suggestions on routes from pumping station rd. Thanks for your time

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    Camp Mack trail routes ......

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    Camp Mack trail routes ......

    Thanks for the offer , not sure yet what day I will be able to get out there. But hope to soon.

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    Feel free to PM me as well. I would also be happy to show you around if I am available. I live 5 minutes from the pumping station rd. parking lot so I ride here any much or more than anywhere else.

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    Thanks for the offer guys. Fair warning, im a clyde so I will be the last one up the hill. Only been out a few times so far this year, so I dont want to hold anyone up. I will be heading out to camp mack around 2:00pm this Sunday (6/8). If anyone still would like to ride. If not... no worries, just any help on what trail to ride and in what direction would be helpful. Thanks again.

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    2:00 pm? I might make it for this! If I have time tonight I'll draw up on the map routes I like to take for you. I love riding there. I rotate between Mack and Mt Penn.

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    Blah not sure I can make it now. Took a hard fall at Mt Penn yesterday. Wrist not liking it today.

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    Camp Mack trail routes ......

    I_AM. No worries. Hope the wrist doesn't keep you out too long. I will give it a shot later today. I have a map and gps. So I should be ok.

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    How was the ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    How was the ride?
    Well funny you sould ask. I went at it wrong from the start, I should have know at that point how the day was going to go. So.... I hiked up the blue blaze trail, found out that was the wrong way once I got to the top, and said "f... it" and kept going. Found the main trail system about a half mile later. Enjoyed the ride all the way up to eagle rock. At that point knowing there was a chance for storms in the area, and being I was riding by myself. I checked the map and started back to the trail head. Then I came up with the great Idea of taking the stright shot back to the car via the horseshoe trail...... So being a clyde on a Hardtail I was doing very well, taking my time down the rock trail from hell. Even took a break to get the feeling back into may hands about half way down..... Then a little ways down from there, I ate ****... Super man over the bars. Crack in the helmet, busted nose and some shin cuts took me back to the trail head. so.... long story short, Good ride till that point. I like the trail system. Just not that trail...

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    Oh man. You went up and down two of the roughest trails there. I'll have to draw out a map for you or let me know next time you come this way. Heal up fast.

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    Any suggestions for routes at Camp Mack that will avoid the scouts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    Oh man. You went up and down two of the roughest trails there. I'll have to draw out a map for you or let me know next time you come this way. Heal up fast.
    Yeah... Im ok. Thanks. I look forward to riding there again. My Brother and Sister in law live about 5mins from there, I will let you know the next time I will be out that way.

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    Any suggestions for routes at Camp Mack that will avoid the scouts?
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    Avoiding the scouts isn't really an issue since Lost Valley and the end of North Valley are pretty much gone. You can really only ride out NV as far as Forge Hill Rd., so when you hit that, just climb out to South Camp Rd and head back towards the rest of the trails.

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    I like to ride this route when I'm pressed on time. Reds are the ups and greens are the downs if that helps. Yes its a masterpiece map I did in paint

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    Me and my buddy want to ride Mack today but we're always concerned about pissing someone off. We don't want to be the bad eggs.
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    You should be fine, like Amish Matt said, after Lost Valley and North Valley were destroyed none of the existing trails take you to the part of the camp the scouts are in.

    FWIW I rode there last night and the single track trails are all in really good shape, and the crappy connector trails are (even more than normal) crappy and rutted out. I say go for it, if you can beat the rain.

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    Could someone do a quick and dirty edit to the map showing where North Valley and Lost Valley terminate?

    I am in the process of building a GIS map that would show all the double track, single track, open and closed trails and potentially some different loop options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    FWIW I rode there last night and the single track trails are all in really good shape, and the crappy connector trails are (even more than normal) crappy and rutted out. I say go for it, if you can beat the rain.
    *Sigh* That's the problem with Mack. Riding there is like "This is awesome! Wait, no this sucks! This is awesome! Dammit, this sucks again!"

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    Could someone do a quick and dirty edit to the map showing where North Valley and Lost Valley terminate?
    North Valley ends at Forge Hill Rd. At the blue X.

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    Was the whole north end of camp timbered?
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    Yes. On that map, it's pretty much everything north of Forge Hill Rd.

    I haven't tried to ride up Lost Valley from Hammer Creek Rd. since last summer. At that time you could about get halfway up before you hit logging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish_matt View Post
    *Sigh* That's the problem with Mack. Riding there is like "This is awesome! Wait, no this sucks! This is awesome! Dammit, this sucks again!"

    So true. lol

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    Maybe I'm newerish but I find Camp Mack to be very fun.

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    What would you classify as the connector trails? The doubletrack roads? Or the older trails that SAMBA didn't build?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    What would you classify as the connector trails? The doubletrack roads? Or the older trails that SAMBA didn't build?
    Yes.

    I_AM - That's just the thing. There is some fantastic trail there. And sometimes it is nice to flow the singletrack and "take a break" on the other stuff. But sometimes it gets frustrating when you flow and bomb something like Spring, only to have your two choices to be ride up the fall line trail(s) of Sharp Valley and Big Timber, ride up the road by the creek, or turn around and ride back up what you just came down. I like going up Spring too, but it doesn't really take you to the other stuff like Light, Horseshoe to Eagle, what's left of North Valley, etc...

    So yes, it is fun, but it gets old after a while is all.

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    So you'd like to see more MTB singletrack built by riders for riders, type of thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    So you'd like to see more MTB singletrack built by riders for riders, type of thing?
    I would! Any recommended trails. All mountain type riding. XC is ok but I like to get in the air some even though I'm scared half the time.

    I ride Mack on the Weekdays mostly and Mt. Penn on the Weekends. I started at Gretna but only really enjoy trail 4. I tried 15 but it was to rocky and up and down for my taste. Ridden Swatara once and have yet to try French Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    I would! Any recommended trails. All mountain type riding. XC is ok but I like to get in the air some even though I'm scared half the time.
    If you live in Lancaster City Proper, Rocky Ridge County Park over outside of Hellam is a good spot. The nice part about that trail system is that aside from one trail (Bootleg 5A) it's all open to MTB. I live on New Holland Ave and it takes me about 35 minutes to get over to Rocky Ridge. Less time than Mack or Gretna.

    Marsh Creek State Park in Downington is a lot of fun too. No big climbs but flowy single track with the occasional trail feature that'll provide air.

    Lastly, Welsh Mountain Preserve outside of New Holland is open to mountain bikers. It's hard to get a good loop in, but I've done 5-6 miles there. If you ride from Gault Road down through Money Rocks to the bottom at Briertown Road its about a two mile downhill with quite a few features. Getting back up will be a lung buster, too. It's very rocky though, and nearly every time I've ridden there I've gotten pinch flats. Tubeless preferred.
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    Thanks for the response. I live towards Ephrata so Rocky Ridge would be quite the hike. But I'll try to check it out one of these weekends.

    I've read very little about Welsh Mountain Preserve. Are there carved out trails or are they like just hiking trails? Where do you park there?

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    Welsh Mtn is dominated by old roads and "jeep tracks" so I guess you could consider them hiking trails in that regard. They are not built to sustainable trail standards nor are they built for MTB. That being said, some are pretty fun.

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    We rode up at Camp Mack yesterday. Trails were perfect condition, just a tiny bit moist but dry for the most part.

    We did nearly 8 miles, and here are some comments:

    We tried riding up Bart. Not happening. Which is shame because it would be fun to start with Horseshoe from Hilltop to Light.

    Speaking of Light, that trail needs a trim! We all ended up looking like we had been subjected to lashings after that trail. Probably a lot of fun in the fall, though.

    We rode Forge Hill Road to see the extent of the logging. North Valley and Lost Valley are both completely gone after Forge Hill Rd.

    Spring Trail and North Valley (what's left of it) were voted as most fun.

    I've been trying to update an easier to understand map for me and my friends to use.

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    Haha. I totally understand on Light. My arms are scarred up from riding that trail. I thought about wearing a long sleeve to ride there but this heat is killing.

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    Trimming will Start Saturday (July 5) on light trail.

    Lost Valley and North Valley creation will start early 2015

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    Thanks for the heads up Matt.

    Hopefully I'll be able to find a free weekend to help out before the fall. Getting married in August is filling up the weekends.
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    Ahhh! Man I have a family outing this weekend and can't make it to help on light. But I will certainly try to help out other times.

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    I was out there on Sunday. Thought I did not go much further than the top of Light I saw some thorns and turned around. Is there a rescheduling for trimming? I should be free now to help.

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    I know of a couple people that will be there this evening. I think they're meeting at 5:30 at the main gate/pond, but I'll let them confirm that as I am not sure.

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    I'll be out there tonight around the same time, but planned to ride. What trails are they planning on working on so we can stay out of there way?
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    We'll be on Light.

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    Off work at 5. I'll try to make it out. Suppose to cut the grass but that can wait I think. My neighbors can deal with it!

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    We will be on light trail and sharp valley. i have a full crew of 4 for tonight but will reach out for next time.

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    Thanks for the update. Maybe I'll try to come out and ride regardless.

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    Thanks for all the work guys. Light trail no longer feels like getting mauled by a thousand cats.

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    I've been wanting to do a video. So I did a short edit of Spring Trail. Nothing amazing I've only been riding for a year. And I did not record some sections that I thought I did
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    Nice little edit.
    Help, I'm a rock!

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    very cool, love it!

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    Thanks. And you guys did an awesome job on Light Trail.

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    My co-worker just told me her car window was smashed into last Sunday around 5:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. So be careful.

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    Parked where?
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    She was parked as the parking lot at the pumping station. She was just there to hike with friends and husband. She did say when she got back her car was the only one left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    My co-worker just told me her car window was smashed into last Sunday around 5:00 p.m. - 9:00 p.m. So be careful.
    I bumped into a hiker at Eagle who said he caught some guys in a white van trying to break into his Jeep.

    Be careful there. I think I will start leaving my car empty with the doors unlocked.

    Friggin a-hole thieves have to ruin it for everyone.

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    Some dont care if there is stuff in it. My friend(in another area) would leave his windows down and glove box open. They would then break the windshield out of spite. It was only a beat up dirty subaru too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by supersedona View Post
    Some dont care if there is stuff in it. My friend(in another area) would leave his windows down and glove box open. They would then break the windshield out of spite. It was only a beat up dirty subaru too.
    Wait a minute, I drive a beat up dirty Subaru! lol

    Maybe that tactic won't work in all situations, but I think these people are simple thieves looking for stuff. So I would rather just let them go through my car so they see I don't have anything of use to them... meanwhile I will stalk them from the brush and shoot out their tires.

    Kidding. Or am I?

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    Perhaps some game cameras pointed towards the parking area (and away from 322) would help identify those involved.

    Downside would be I'm sure that at least 30-50 people go through that parking lot in a day. That would fill a memory card pretty quick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    Wait a minute, I drive a beat up dirty Subaru! lol

    Maybe that tactic won't work in all situations, but I think these people are simple thieves looking for stuff. So I would rather just let them go through my car so they see I don't have anything of use to them... meanwhile I will stalk them from the brush and shoot out their tires.

    Kidding. Or am I?
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    Were you there yesterday? I saw an old beat up Subaru.
    haha Nah, yesterday I was at Gov. Dick.

    I suppose my Subaru isn't that old or that beat up... it's a 2006 Forester that hasn't seen a bath since the end of winter though. lol

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    My car is just a 94 escort wagon so its got the little old car thing covered Usually not a theft target either, lol
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    pointerDixie, are you the guy with the Canfield 9er that rides with Matt and Chris?

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    Yes, that's him.

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    Matt, hit me up next time you guys are riding out there! I'm riding Rocky tonight after work...

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    Local717- yep. Assuming we have met? Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    Local717- yep. Assuming we have met? Lol.
    I'm the guy that rides the green Knolly DT and Intense 5.5...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local717 View Post
    I'm the guy that rides the green Knolly DT and Intense 5.5...
    Ok yeah. I know you. Lol.

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    I must ride weird times. I like meet no one ever. Sometimes I feel I'm the only one on the entire mountain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    I must ride weird times. I like meet no one ever. Sometimes I feel I'm the only one on the entire mountain.
    I ride week days after 6pm. Mack, Gretna or Rocky. Weekends are all over the place... But I feel like I've been seeing more and more new faces on the trail. Which is a very good thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    I must ride weird times. I like meet no one ever. Sometimes I feel I'm the only one on the entire mountain.
    I usually ride Mack or Gretna a couple days a week around 5:30, and then usually somewhere else on the weekend. Since I ride Mack more than anywhere else during the week, I only ride there on the weekends if I have a ton of stuff going on and can't go somewhere else.

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    Ahh I see. I usually ride Mack on the weekdays. Anywhere from 5-7 depending on when I get off work. I'll keep an eye out. I drive the little green Toyota convertible with the hitch on the back. I don't go to Gretna too much because its 30 minutes away as Mack is only about 15ish. I have only been riding for 1 year marking this summer so I'm not much of a technical climber I just like going down!

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    Ahh I see. I usually ride Mack on the weekdays. Anywhere from 5-7 depending on when I get off work. I'll keep an eye out. I drive the little green Toyota convertible with the hitch on the back. I don't go to Gretna too much because its 30 minutes away as Mack is only about 15ish. I have only been riding for 1 year marking this summer so I'm not much of a technical climber I just like going down!
    Gotta go up, to get down...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local717 View Post
    Gotta go up, to get down...
    I know I know. Learning to like the up more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local717 View Post
    Matt, hit me up next time you guys are riding out there! I'm riding Rocky tonight after work...
    Ha, didn't see this until now and we still managed to run into each other. I'll drop you a line next time we ride Mack. Probably some evening next week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amish_matt View Post
    Ha, didn't see this until now and we still managed to run into each other. I'll drop you a line next time we ride Mack. Probably some evening next week.
    Sounds good, I can make it to Mack 5:30-6 after work. Hit me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Local717 View Post
    Sounds good, I can make it to Mack 5:30-6 after work. Hit me up.
    Nice! Sucks I missed out of the Rocky ride yesterday, but we had a lot going on.

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    I just want to say thank for all those who make this a fun place to ride. Went there twice yesterday on my day off. Came down Blue in the AM and came back down Horseshoe in the evening. This place just has a good range of things to ride.

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    I am heading there tonight for a quickie myself. The blue trail is really fun, and I very rarely ride it for some stupid reason. I have been doing the horseshoe and/or bart more lately though.

    Tonight my plan is up the main climb, down spring, up sharp valley, up muddy biatch, up to Eagle, down to light, down light, up the road and a right on the other road and out.

    Clear as mud? lol I only have about an hour, so if time permits after that route I might duck in and take the blue trail back to the car.

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    I've often wonder what that one trail was called and now I know it is called muddy biatch.

    I don't ride blue too much either. The steep really humbles me. I think I need to ride it more to get use to how steep it is. I do like doing Horshe down to Bart as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    I've often wonder what that one trail was called and now I know it is called muddy biatch.

    I don't ride blue too much either. The steep really humbles me. I think I need to ride it more to get use to how steep it is. I do like doing Horshe down to Bart as well.
    I think I always end up skipping blue because I don't save enough time for it, not really for the terrain. One time I went up the main climb and down blue first, and then did the rest of my ride. That was pretty nice because you get to do the first climb twice, and you can go down blue (which many people call Otter Slide - for obvious reasons) AND horseshoe.

    Oh yeah, Muddy B!tch isn't the official name for that trail. lol I think it's an unofficial part of North Valley.

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    What trail is Blue?
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    Blue trail you see to the left as you go in across the little stream. It is in my opinion just a side of a mountain you go down. Which is really fun. To get to it you'll see a left as you get close to the top of the main climb. I think its called Big Rock.

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    The doubletrack you're calling "Main Climb" is Explorer Lodge Road. It meets up with the top of Hammercreek Road at the Big Rock, Gameland, Spring, and Big Timber Split. Explorer Lodge runs clear over to South Camp Road, where you would take a right to go up to Light or the bottom of Horseshoe coming west down the mountain from Eagle's Rock.

    I'm all for giving trails funny names, but in an emergency situation its your best interest to know the trail names as say, the Ranger would know them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    Blue trail you see to the left as you go in across the little stream. It is in my opinion just a side of a mountain you go down. Which is really fun. To get to it you'll see a left as you get close to the top of the main climb. I think its called Big Rock.
    You can also access it directly across from the top of where you enter Spring trail. Just take a left instead of the right onto Spring. Lots of fun big rocks to play on, some progressive drops, and maybe a mile or so of single track.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214 View Post
    You can also access it directly across from the top of where you enter Spring trail. Just take a left instead of the right onto Spring. Lots of fun big rocks to play on, some progressive drops, and maybe a mile or so of single track.
    Really?! Awesome. I saw it said gamelands so I never went that route. I suspected it might connect because I saw going up blue once it said Gameland trail too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    The doubletrack you're calling "Main Climb" is Explorer Lodge Road.

    I'm all for giving trails funny names, but in an emergency situation its your best interest to know the trail names as say, the Ranger would know them.
    You are correct. I thought the name was Explorer. I do carry a printed map with me. But I haven't looked at in awhile.

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    I think you guys are talking about Gameland, or at least it's Gameland at the top and Big Rock at the end.

    I'd love to see a trail that connect Hammer Creek Road at Sharp Valley to where Big Rock pops out on Explorer Lodge at the entrance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    You are correct. I thought the name was Explorer. I do carry a printed map with me. But I haven't looked at in awhile.
    I don't carry the map but I do know the names. If I were talking to a ranger I would use the real name (AKA North Valley if to take a right after going up Sharp rather than "Muddy *****). It's all in good fun.

    But you raise a good point.

    BTW- I pushed myself harder tonight than I have in a while and it felt awesome.

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    The true name of the trail known as Muddy B!tch is Valley Brook. It is not on the map and does not have a red trail sign. It is a trail that the scouts wanted closed, but it just never took.

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    For mud reasons? or was it just slated to be closed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LititzDude View Post
    The true name of the trail known as Muddy B!tch is Valley Brook. It is not on the map and does not have a red trail sign. It is a trail that the scouts wanted closed, but it just never took.

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    Yeah, that does sound familiar, but I think the new name has replaced the original. Long live Muddy B!tch.

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    So Valley Brook is the mysterious connector trail between Explorer and Sharp? I was wondering why Strava maps showed a trail there but none of the maps did.
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    I've found Valley Brook to have really dried off now and not as muddy after rainfalls now. But I could be totally wrong.

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    I wanted to hit up Mack last night too but the wife wanted to go ride rails and trails instead. So I raced her instead inside my head as we casually strolled on cruisers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    So Valley Brook is the mysterious connector trail between Explorer and Sharp? I was wondering why Strava maps showed a trail there but none of the maps did.
    Almost. Valley Brook(MD) connected to Big Timber. When we put in North Valley, we used part of Valley Brook, the part with the bridge we built and re-named it North Valley. So Now North Valley connects to Big Timber and MB connects into North Valley.

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    Camp Mack trail routes ......-unknownconnectortrails.jpg

    Could one of SAMBA folks help me identify the names of these connectors?
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    I was on Muddy B!tch yesterday, and it was more like Dry Rocky B!tch.... Deep sand all over the park too... This rain today should help conditions.

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    Yeah I felt Muddy has been dry all month. Sharp had some very annoying deep sand.

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    ?1=Big Timber
    ?2=Valley Brook
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    How long do you guys usually wait to go after a rain fall? Itching to go but want the trail to dry up a bit first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_AM View Post
    How long do you guys usually wait to go afteer a rain fall? Itching to go but want the trail to dry up a bit first.
    The camp drains very well, with the worst being the Horse Shoe trail from 322 and explorer lodge road. So to answer your question if the first 5 minutes is ok, the rest of the camp will be fine.

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    Thanks for the answer Matt. I decided to stay off last night but will hit it up tonight.

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    I have to say going down blue is now my favorite trail section. The more I ride it the more fun it is.

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