Results 1 to 95 of 95
  1. #1
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    4

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    I live in Hazleton. Looking for trails nearby, I came across the Broad Mountain Loop trail, which is along Route 93 near Jim Thorpe and is about 11 miles long or so. Unfortunately, my ride on the trail Sunday was absolutely miserable, as the trail is 90% rocks. These jagged rocks are several inches wide and cover most of the trail. Riding is extremely bumpy and uncomfortable... I was so sick of riding on the rocks by the end of the trail that I pushed my bike most of the way back.

    I spoke to a few people on the trail who also complained of the rocks. They said that these rocks were not on the trail last year. Does anyone on this forum know why these rocks are here? Are there any plans to make the trail smooth, like it used to be? It's truly a shame that such a good trail is ruined now because the rocks make it a terrible ride, where otherwise it would be a really fantastic trail to ride.

  2. #2
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Trauma05's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    73
    Heard it was for moving heavy equipment to the back half of the mountain...and the bridges

  3. #3
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vespasianus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    4,690
    Yup, I was there about a month ago as well. Fricken terrible.

    I personally have gone from loving Jim Thorpe to hating that place. We used to go there, stay at the inn, ride the weekend and have a great old time. Now, it is not worth going to.
    On MTBR, the reputation is infamous.

  4. #4
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    700
    I don't see it being put back to the way it was. Over the years it has seen less riding each year, thanks to other trails being closed. I remember when the lot across from the fire tower road would be filled on a Saturday/Sunday. Now you are lucky to see 4 or 5 cars. The AS probably sees more riding.
    LOVE THE RIDE!

  5. #5
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,726
    I don't know what exactly is going on but it clearly is for heavy equipment, not only did they put down the stones and erect the bridges (no more creek splash thru in the summer...) but they also put in big turnaround areas.

    I read some stuff last year about it when it was initially happening but I forget what I read and where, but I'm pretty sure it was for drilling for gas. I don't want to perpetuate that rumor if it is false though.

    In other words: whatever they are doing in there is not in anyone's best interests aside from the company paying them money to be back there. Welcome to modern America.
    '15 Specialized Fatboy
    '14 Kona Zone Two
    '13 Surly Big Dummy

  6. #6
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Could this be the same powerline going through!

    They have done the same from Susquehanna county through Wyoming county, now going it in Luzerne county near Frances Slocum SP going to New Jersey.

    BML is SGL correct so it's not a housing development.

  7. #7
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    4
    Thanks for the replies, guys! I find it surprising that the trail was so popular despite the lack of bikers and hikers present last Sunday... but I doubt many people will be going back to the rock hell that is now the Broad Mountain Loop. Next time I'll ride the Lehigh Gorge trail instead. If the state or game commission would "pave" a singletrack wide path through the rock obstacles on the Loop, the trail would be at least ride-able. I won't hold my breath though.

  8. #8
    VMB
    Reputation: kkies's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    80
    If in fact it is the gas industry or the electric companies, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't float the PGC some dough to gain access to their land. The gas companies are giants and can pretty much buy anything they want, very sad...

  9. #9
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,726
    I will still ride it in the winter. When the snow hits, it's fun on a fatbike. But yes, it is a shame.
    '15 Specialized Fatboy
    '14 Kona Zone Two
    '13 Surly Big Dummy

  10. #10
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136
    I also live in Hazleton and have been riding the loop for over 15 years.

    Road resurfacing - Over the last year, the PGC had been preparing for controlled burns on the Broad Mountain. The roads were resurfaced to handle heavy truck traffic. They also cut fire breaks through the forest. You would notice this if you rode the Deer Path section. The burns have been occuring over the last couple of weeks. hopefully over time the ballast will get pushed down into the soil and/or mix with fines, making the trail more ridable. I can tell youthat it is even a pain to hike on. I walked several miles on it a couple weeks ago and it was tough. I am sure the hunters are going to complain about it as well. If that happens they might fix it, because mt bikers complaining sure won't help. And i'll tell you that some hunters bike in as well, so they won't be happy about it either.

    Bridge over Jeans Run - this permitted bridge was installed so vehicles could traverse the stream while protecting it from erosion and sediment since it is in the Wild Brook Trout Enhancement program.

    I can tell you it has nothing to do with gas drilling. The marcellus formation does not reach lower Luzern County much less Carbon County (although the utica formation might, but that is years off as they need to clear marcellus out of the way before they extract the deeper Utica - marcellus is just the tip of the iceberg). Drilling on top of the mountain would make no sense as they would need to drill through an additional 1000 ft or so of rock - why not start at lower ground?

  11. #11
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Yup, I was there about a month ago as well. Fricken terrible.

    I personally have gone from loving Jim Thorpe to hating that place. We used to go there, stay at the inn, ride the weekend and have a great old time. Now, it is not worth going to.
    Broad Mountain Loop is not the only trail to ride, there all kinds of trails in the area! Try the trails west of route 93 on the Broad Mountain. We rotate at least 3 rides in the immediate vicity of JT. There are at least a half dozen within 20 minutes to a half hour.

  12. #12
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    45
    Are the trails west of 93 on Broad Mt. on state game land? Is it ok to ride them next week?

  13. #13
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136
    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrox View Post
    Are the trails west of 93 on Broad Mt. on state game land? Is it ok to ride them next week?
    Some are, all access from rt 93 is SGL. It is turkey hunting season. SGL are off limits to bikes (unless you can demonstrate you are a license holder and are actively in pusuit of game) until after May 31st.

  14. #14
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    45
    Ah that sucks. Thanks for the info. Could you recommend anything in the area that is not SGL?

  15. #15
    Chilling out
    Reputation: bear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    5,808
    At least it's still no-hunting on Sundays. ;^)

  16. #16
    Chilling out
    Reputation: bear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    5,808
    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrox View Post
    Ah that sucks. Thanks for the info. Could you recommend anything in the area that is not SGL?
    You should keep in mind that most state parks allow hunting, it's not just SGL that is dangerous.

    I don't know about closer to Thorpe, but up in the wilkes-barre/scranton area you have Moon Lake and Merli-Sarnosky which are currently no-hunting zones.

    Both have MTB trail networks.

  17. #17
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    I'm not talking about safety, I'm strictly speaking to staying within the law. Now I'll address safety. I am comfortable going into the woods during hunting season while wearing orange without being shot. Hell, in 20+ years of hunting I've never been shot. ;^) Be safe out there!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  18. #18
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    45
    So the laws regarding bikes on SGL are not really enforced then? That is my main concern I guess.

  19. #19
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Depends on time of year. As long as you respect the major hunting seasons you should be ok.




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  20. #20
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    45
    I am gonna be up there a week from today, for the first time. If I wanted to stay off the SGL, what trails would you recommend in the immediate area?

  21. #21
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    rollinrox,

    If your ever in doubt check the state portal for "designated" trails, not saying these are pristine single track trails that we as mt bikers like to ride, but it is a resource.

    State Game Lands

    Here are the 2 routes for SGL 141

    SGL 141 CARBON COUNTY
    Approximately 4 miles, beginning at a gate/parking area along Township Route 506 returning over a looped trail.

    SGL 141 CARBON COUNTY
    Approximately 8 miles, beginning at a gate/parking area along SR 93 across from the entrance to the Pennsylvania Game Commission rifle range following the road over a portion of Hickory Run State Park property to a second gate/parking area along SR 93.

    Of course sometimes trying to figure out just where the hell to go is a magical mystery tour at best cause none of this is marked, other than by description on the website, which does a person no good out in the field You would think the PAGC would GPS all this for us, Ya right!

    Just thought I would pass along the info.
    Enjoy

  22. #22
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    rollinrox,

    If your ever in doubt check the state portal for "designated" trails, not saying these are pristine single track trails that we as mt bikers like to ride, but it is a resource.

    State Game Lands

    Here are the 2 routes for SGL 141

    SGL 141 CARBON COUNTY
    Approximately 4 miles, beginning at a gate/parking area along Township Route 506 returning over a looped trail.

    SGL 141 CARBON COUNTY
    Approximately 8 miles, beginning at a gate/parking area along SR 93 across from the entrance to the Pennsylvania Game Commission rifle range following the road over a portion of Hickory Run State Park property to a second gate/parking area along SR 93.

    Of course sometimes trying to figure out just where the hell to go is a magical mystery tour at best cause none of this is marked, other than by description on the website, which does a person no good out in the field You would think the PAGC would GPS all this for us, Ya right!

    Just thought I would pass along the info.
    Enjoy
    Those are of course all off limits until after turkey season. Basically double track can be ridden outside of major hunting seasons. Single track is off limits year-round.

    Here is an old site that is no longer updated, but the trails are still there.

    http://jttrails.wordpress.com/maps/




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  23. #23
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    45
    Yeah thanks, that is the list i have been looking at. I am thinking of starting with the Nesquehoning trail. Of those on that list that are open legally to riding next week, which would be your top 3 picks?

  24. #24
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Posts
    41
    If it's anything like where they've put that stone down around here when they're done they will spread soil over top so it settles in and plant grass. They did that on a powerline near my house and now it's not bad to ride on at all. It also has a solid foundation so if they take trucks on it in the future it won't rut it up and make it all muddy.

  25. #25
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    45
    So last Thursday my bro and I rode American Standard. Beforehand, we visited one of the shops in town, and the guy there convinced us we'd be ok riding it despite hunting season. He said we would not see another soul, and he was right. I loved the ride! The guy at the shop also talked about all the new stones, and said they would be covered soon! He mentioned "modified", so I am not sure if he meant gravel or asphalt. I am thinking gravel.

  26. #26
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    That's good news. Modified refers to 2A modified stone. It's 2 inch stone with fines mixed in so it compacts well.

    I drive broad mt every day and only see one or two cars parked a week and they usually have bike racks. At least one hunter bike packs in with his weapon as well.




    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  27. #27
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Yes gravel it is, they do this type of road for logging in my area, at first it sucks big time lots of sharp rocks. Hard on mt bike tires, but if anything gopd can be said, when topped and run on with large trucks it basically turns to a concrete like surface.

    Weeds and plants will regrow around it and close it in a bit so it won't be so bad.

    I guess it's a give and take but one thing in the spring thaws it will be solid which is more than can be said for native topsoil.

    Don't get me wrong I'm not in favor of it, just looking at a positive outlook, if there is one.

  28. #28
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    407
    Despite what the shop people say.....one of the reasons all that awesome stuff is off limits, and can only be poached now is because people were riding during hunting season, as for now, Spring Gobbler is in, which means there is hunting until 12pm. Which should be no problem....get up get some breakfast, hang in in JT see the sights go on a Mansion Tour, then head up to ride. You'll be in good shape.
    Climbing Builds Character

  29. #29
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Quote Originally Posted by vack View Post
    Despite what the shop people say.....one of the reasons all that awesome stuff is off limits, and can only be poached now is because people were riding during hunting season, as for now, Spring Gobbler is in, which means there is hunting until 12pm. Which should be no problem....get up get some breakfast, hang in in JT see the sights go on a Mansion Tour, then head up to ride. You'll be in good shape.
    They Changed the season. Turkey is half hour before sunrise to half hour after sunset. Can't ride game lands until June.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  30. #30
    Buck Nasty
    Reputation: Buck Nasty's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by rollinrox View Post
    So last Thursday my bro and I rode American Standard. Beforehand, we visited one of the shops in town, and the guy there convinced us we'd be ok riding it despite hunting season. He said we would not see another soul, and he was right. I loved the ride! The guy at the shop also talked about all the new stones, and said they would be covered soon! He mentioned "modified", so I am not sure if he meant gravel or asphalt. I am thinking gravel.
    My buddy and I hit up American Standard on 5/16/13. Hit up the shop prior, was informed about the bad condition (railroad rocks) on the Broad Mtn loop. We encountered some of that stuff toward the later stages of the AS trail up on the fire road that leads back to 93, it's semi close to where the fire tower is, the rest of the trail was great! We didn't see a soul all day. Went out at like 12. Parked in the lot on 93 across from the rifle range, there was 1 other car. Did see a turkey but no people. Going back in 2 weeks.
    Silky Johnson: "Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go home and put some water in Buck Nasty's momma's dish."

  31. #31
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    ...
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1369820202.007037.jpg  

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1369820229.489086.jpg  

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1369820250.689521.jpg  

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-imageuploadedbytapatalk1369820271.122826.jpg  


  32. #32
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,319
    Still more then enough riding and great trails in and around Thorpe!

  33. #33
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Quote Originally Posted by techfersure View Post
    Still more then enough riding and great trails in and around Thorpe!
    Exactly! There are dozens of trails to ride in the area. People seem to think that Jim Thorpe consists of only the broad mountain. Nothing can be further from the truth. There are also land uses other than mountain biking. I can say this because i am a mountain biker in addition to the many other activities i partake: Mountain bikers tend to act like spoiled brats. Organize yourselves, like bikevmb.com and others do, if you have issues with how land is managed and be proactive in maintaining areas for mountain bikers


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  34. #34
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    2
    Road it yesterday... wish I would've visited the forum first. Have to agree that it's ruined until its finished or compacted over the next few seasons. I'm actually up in Albrightsville, so will be actively seeking more trails closer to home. Would love to hear an update though whenever the road is improved. Was out riding with wife, walked a large portion of the really bad stones. Assuming there are singletracks around a lot of it but not that familiar with that area yet. Plus doesn't PGC limit the MTB usage to Broad only? Thanks. If anyone rides this loop and it has been completed with smaller stones please message me and let me know.

  35. #35
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Might be a while before the roads are resurfaced. If by limited to broad (i presume by "Broad" you referring to doubletrack or fire road trails) you mean singletrack riding is prohibited, you are correct. That said, you need to ride the fire roads in order to get to the singletrack.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  36. #36
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jun 2013
    Posts
    2
    Thanks! I have to get a better map and figure out where some of these are. I saw the off shoot to I think the deertrail early on to the left. Yes I was referring to the double track loop that was all stone now. (well mostly stone. Couldn't take it at one point and rode the powerline. Chased a big bear out just past the one bridge too. Ok so that loop is out for awhile. Thanks. Like I said I'm on top the hill in Albrightsville so I have to learn some of this area better. Still upset that MTB is prohibited at Hickory Run.

  37. #37
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Yes, biking is completely prohibited in hickory run. At least the PGC throws us a bone and allows some riding.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  38. #38
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    1,319
    Pisgah is epic and Flagstaff has an awesome DH finish! Do both sides and expect several hrs or more ride.

  39. #39
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    407
    That's a nice bridge they put in there.
    Climbing Builds Character

  40. #40
    mtbr member
    Reputation: ferko's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    84
    eff them bridges and rocks, give us our double track back!

  41. #41
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    407
    well that still doesn't detract from the fact that, the bridge in question is a nice one ;p Honestly that's a Double Track Family Loop, and it's good that they put stuff like that in.....now the rocks....that type of stone is tough, but the stuff they put near the entrance has already become worn in, and over time it will get better.
    Climbing Builds Character

  42. #42
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    Quote Originally Posted by vack View Post
    well that still doesn't detract from the fact that, the bridge in question is a nice one ;p Honestly that's a Double Track Family Loop, and it's good that they put stuff like that in.....now the rocks....that type of stone is tough, but the stuff they put near the entrance has already become worn in, and over time it will get better.
    Yes!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  43. #43
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Trauma05's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    73
    Deer Path and the View make up for the rocks, yeah it was squirrely but it was fun in its own way.

  44. #44
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Trauma05's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    73
    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-img_20130605_180802_908.jpgBroad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-img_20130605_180909_821-800x450-.jpg

  45. #45
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Trauma05's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Posts
    73
    And I'm not going to mention what I found in the parking lot...lmfao!

  46. #46
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    407
    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma05 View Post
    And I'm not going to mention what I found in the parking lot...lmfao!
    I'll bet it Rattled ;p
    Climbing Builds Character

  47. #47
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vespasianus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    4,690
    Yes. I agree with that. I went there primarily with my kids and it became almost unridable. It is nice to see the rocks settle in. My beef with the town still exist. It went from being very MTB friendly, to hostile...
    On MTBR, the reputation is infamous.

  48. #48
    mtbr member
    Reputation: koval79's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2010
    Posts
    136

    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!

    I don't understand where that sentiment stems from. We ride the area weekly without a problem.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  49. #49
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    You can always choose, it might not be the same or now your cup of dirt, take it as it is, cause the people wielding the big shovels are in control, but having a place to ride is better than a shopping mall of housing development.

    Koval is right, there is so much to ride around there, do a little exploring. I have never seen any problems when I ride there other than having to go home and end another great ride.

  50. #50
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    407
    Although I do not agree with the point made a few above, I can see where they are coming from....I lived there when it was "Friendly" a lot has changed, I don't think it's "Hostile" but it's definitely not what it was, "Atmosphere Wise" There were a lot of us locals who would meet people from all over the country and take them on rides all weekend. Met a lot of nice folks that way. But many trails were changed/moved and the map books don't have the off limits stuff listed any longer....and well Jim Thorpe was always an Adventure Ride. Nothing was ever marked really or meant to be marked. So if you wanted to ride there it took some effort, because is was meant to be well....an adventure.

    As Cyclists, on or off road, and hell as Tax Payers, we need to organize better in PA, and get some of these places back on the map. But that's a whole other thread/argument. But I will say this, one of the best trails on the Eastern Side of the US, is on that mountain, and it's still there ;P
    Climbing Builds Character

  51. #51
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,726
    Has anyone ridden it recently? I rode it when they first put those bridges in and the big stones down, but haven't been back since cuz it kind of sucked. Have to take some noobs there and I was wondering if the rocks settled in or if anything is over top them or anything
    '15 Specialized Fatboy
    '14 Kona Zone Two
    '13 Surly Big Dummy

  52. #52
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,726
    Yeah, it sucks. Went today. Pfffft, it's not like I was missing much but it was nice to take casual cyclists too.

    It should still be nice in the winter though with my fatbike. So that's good.
    '15 Specialized Fatboy
    '14 Kona Zone Two
    '13 Surly Big Dummy

  53. #53
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2015
    Posts
    7
    Thread resurrection...

    Been road biking more than mtn biking the past several years so have not been to Broad Mountain in that time.

    Has it gotten any better?

  54. #54
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Go back to road biking...

  55. #55
    Chilling out
    Reputation: bear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    5,808
    I think what NEPMTBA is saying is "no, the conditions on the doubletrack/road area of Broad Mtn have not improved any more than continued construction vehicle travel over the large gravel would have improved it."

    But I could be reading between the pixels.

    I was out there last fall and the doubletrack/road/construction area was a complete un-fun PITA, east and west of the highway. I haven't been yet this year but don't expect it to have changed.

  56. #56
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    In 2003 mt bikes were kicked outta SGL...
    ...but it's ok to Rip the Shit outta the place a put big gravel in...

  57. #57
    Chilling out
    Reputation: bear's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Posts
    5,808
    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    In 2003 mt bikes were kicked outta SGL...
    ...but it's ok to Rip the Shit outta the place a put big gravel in...
    true, but, it's still *legal* to ride that grappy gravel, which is what so far as I know the official Broad Mtn Loop is mostly placed upon at this point.

    Not that I do it willingly, but to each their own.

    I still have a hard time trying to imagine "gravel grinding" as fun, but heck, if someone want's to ride 200 miles of gravel on 35c tires, who am I to poo on their party?

  58. #58
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    272
    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    In 2003 mt bikes were kicked outta SGL...
    ...but it's ok to Rip the Shit outta the place a put big gravel in...
    I'm saving this as quotable and notable. For the next time some elected official robo-calls inviting me to a town hall/coffee hour -- which, if you've ever been to one, it seems the local nursing homes bus in a bunch of gray hairs and they proceed to complain about anything and everything...

  59. #59
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Quote Originally Posted by bear View Post
    true, but, it's still *legal* to ride that grappy gravel, which is what so far as I know the official Broad Mtn Loop is mostly placed upon at this point.
    Let me know when they remove the "unnatural" gravel and place the single track back then it will be the "Broad Mountain Loop" as far as I'm concerned they ruined the natural trail and terrain by adding a foreign substance, isn't that pollution?

  60. #60
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    7
    I can confirm this loop still has large stones laid down on the trail as of last week. Very disappointing. We rode it, but it was not fun. The view of the gorge is still great though. Oh and Hi everyone! First post since joining yesterday and getting back into mountain biking.

  61. #61
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    700
    Let's be realistic. Unless you want to ride the AS, then there is no point in going to the Broad. There still is some good riding in the JT area but it isn't like it was many years ago. I do remember about a year ago some talk of trail building that might happen on some private land. Guessin that fell thru.
    LOVE THE RIDE!

  62. #62
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    112
    AS is still fun ride from paved road to Braod Mtn rocky road. Rode it last year and it was great! Deer paths too!!! Heading up there in a month or so to explore more..

  63. #63
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker64 View Post
    Let's be realistic. Unless you want to ride the AS, then there is no point in going to the Broad. There still is some good riding in the JT area but it isn't like it was many years ago. I do remember about a year ago some talk of trail building that might happen on some private land. Guessin that fell thru.
    Let's be really realistic...
    ... while you were sleeping the single/double track was ruined and what is the excuse being given for building a road in SGL? Maybe it was: "Hey if we put big rock out there the mt bikers won't be able to use that trail" I have no idea, but those in power just do as they please. Maybe it needs to happen on the AS, then would you notice or care?

    Many of my friends rode that section of woods and enjoyed and there are still lots of trails on that side of the mountain, but the big heavy industrial road to nowhere ruins the look and feel...

  64. #64
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Posts
    700
    Lee, I totally agree. Those with power get totally out of control and do whatever they feel like. I use to live at the base of the Broad on the Weatherly side and can remember both lots on 93 being filled on the weekends with cars belonging to bikers and hikers. Now you might see a car or 2. That gravel they put down isn't even good for walking on. There still are other trails up there but you have to go on that gravel to get to them. It just makes people stop going there all together. Then they cry when business and tourism is down.
    LOVE THE RIDE!

  65. #65
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Mike,
    I'm right there with ya!

    deep, welcome aboard and thanks for the info!

  66. #66
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Posts
    2,726
    Yeah to clarify for people who haven't been there, it isn't gravel in the bicycling sense, not like a rail trail or whatever we think of when we think biking on gravel. It is large stones, like 2+ inches, and it is nooooooot fun to ride on or walk on.

    I'm saving it in my back pocket for a winter fatbike ride if it is covered with snow.
    '15 Specialized Fatboy
    '14 Kona Zone Two
    '13 Surly Big Dummy

  67. #67
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    7
    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    Mike,
    I'm right there with ya!

    deep, welcome aboard and thanks for the info!
    Thanks NEPMTBA. Is there a cheat sheet somewhere in this forum that lets me know what SGL, AS, etc means? If not, I will just keep reading and see if I can pick the acronyms up.

  68. #68
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Jan 2003
    Posts
    407
    Yes the BM loop still has big stones on it...however, the AS, DP's, PT, and the leg up to the Boulder Field are still there and in excellent condition. We just did the whole (25+mile) version of the AS two months ago.

    Also that killer downhill SingleTrack that dumps you into the gorge is still there and still melting brak pads. The only trail I haven't tried in years up there is Gene's Run...which was always more of a washed out stream bed then anything.

    However you still need to ride the dirt and big stone roads to get to Henshel's lookout and to the top of the falls, but that's always been the case. There are places where they started to put down crushed stone over the big stuff, I would imagine projects such as those are big $$$, and probably why it is not finished yet. Regardless a fat bike makes short work of those big stones.

    Heck what is worse is the clear cutting that was done up by Flaggy, although it's a pretty nice overlook now, the cool forest trail that was up there (Psycho Betty's Revenge) is partially gone...you can still ride though the barrens now and head over to the fire line and down Bob's Bailout. But some of that really cool flow that was up there is gone.

    As for taking the blame, our community shoulders some of the responsibility for these places to be "Off Limits". Those of us that live or lived there spent many of our rides picking up after "Mountain Bikers". I can't tell you how many bags of Gels, Goos, Tubes, Food Wrappers, and other personal items we've hauled out of there. Unfortunate, it's still some of the best rustic real feel mountain biking around.
    Climbing Builds Character

  69. #69
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    92
    SGL Is state game lands

    AS Is american standard the old system across the road from where others are talking about

  70. #70
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    7
    Quote Originally Posted by ParrotHead87 View Post
    SGL Is state game lands

    AS Is american standard the old system across the road from where others are talking about
    Thanks. I assume you mean the firing range side of the road when referring to AS. I have ridden all over there years ago. At 51, when I say years , I mean 10-15 years. LOL I have been riding more recently with work buddies at lunch out behind Valmont Ind park mostly along Cranberry creek and the reclaimed mine lands south of the park. Lots of ATVs and probably private land but we try to be courteous.

  71. #71
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    92
    Quote Originally Posted by deeptread View Post
    Thanks. I assume you mean the firing range side of the road when referring to AS. I have ridden all over there years ago. At 51, when I say years , I mean 10-15 years. LOL I have been riding more recently with work buddies at lunch out behind Valmont Ind park mostly along Cranberry creek and the reclaimed mine lands south of the park. Lots of ATVs and probably private land but we try to be courteous.
    Yes referring to the firing range side although others maybe referring to the single track on the opposite side that is also off limits.

    I grew up in the area and live a little over 5 minutes from here and never rode it. Rode the gravel last year for a bit just too many snakes for my liking.

    Jim Thorpe still has a few trails that are good for a morning or afternoon ride nothing too difficult besides climbing.

    By the looks of where you work we don't work or live too far apart so if you ever in the area looking to ride just let us know

  72. #72
    mtbr member
    Reputation: stunnerable's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2009
    Posts
    338
    Snakes? No thanks!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

  73. #73
    bright path native
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    61
    Local JT rider/racer/trail maintainer, and have commented before on JT posts. Use those GPS's! There is more rideable trail now than ever before in JT! Just have to explore a little off of the Am. Standard heading west. All the ridges that surround JT and Nesquehoning have single track, all the hollows on Broad Mtn between Nesquehoning and Lake Hauto have single track, but the double tracks on Broad Mtn have been severely compromised, except the far end of the dual track that intersects the road heading to the top of the mountain above Lake Hauto from the Co-Generation Power Plant.
    strava is not real racing!

  74. #74
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dirtrider76's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,850
    Explored some last year up there and found some cool stuff. Got home and check my GPS and it said I hit some segments up there so its obvious people ride up there. We ran into 2 other guys in the middle of no where that said their brother shuttled them to the top.
    I like to fart when I'm in front of you on a climb

  75. #75
    bright path native
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    61
    I have created a few "unknown" segments behind Lake Hauto and a few people have discovered some of the trails through Strava & my Garmin maps. You can access an area that is similar in size and terrain to the Am. Standard by making a left towards the end of the Am. Standard, getting over to the Lake Hauto area. The connectors trails are a a mix of hike-a-bike, single track and dual track.
    strava is not real racing!

  76. #76
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    4
    Quote Originally Posted by glocke12 View Post
    Thread resurrection...

    Been road biking more than mtn biking the past several years so have not been to Broad Mountain in that time.

    Has it gotten any better?
    NO! I just "rode" Broad Mt Loop today, which meant walking my new Cyclocross 95% of the time. After 3 miles of pure misery, I had enough and walked back to the parking lot without reaching the overlook. I swear, biking 1 mile on those rocks from hell will wear out your energy level the equivalent of biking 5 miles on a regular surface. I was ready to pass out after only 6 miles and just went to the Lehigh Gorge Trail instead. I highly recommend not going to Broad Mt Loop unless you enjoy torture and cursing the morons who decided to ruin an otherwise perfectly good trail.

  77. #77
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vespasianus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    4,690
    Quote Originally Posted by victorvictorfive View Post
    NO! I just "rode" Broad Mt Loop today, which meant walking my new Cyclocross 95% of the time. After 3 miles of pure misery, I had enough and walked back to the parking lot without reaching the overlook. I swear, biking 1 mile on those rocks from hell will wear out your energy level the equivalent of biking 5 miles on a regular surface. I was ready to pass out after only 6 miles and just went to the Lehigh Gorge Trail instead. I highly recommend not going to Broad Mt Loop unless you enjoy torture and cursing the morons who decided to ruin an otherwise perfectly good trail.

    Actually, I have sworn of Jim Thorpe all together. They had the opportunity to make themselves the mountain bike mecca of Pennsylvania and instead they screwed the community. They will not be getting any of my dollars.
    On MTBR, the reputation is infamous.

  78. #78
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Posts
    4
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Actually, I have sworn of Jim Thorpe all together. They had the opportunity to make themselves the mountain bike mecca of Pennsylvania and instead they screwed the community. They will not be getting any of my dollars.
    Just because of the destruction of Broad Mountain Loop, or for other reasons? I don't believe it was the town's decision to ruin Broad Mt. I think PA Game Commission or similar agency decided the trail needed to be ruined.

  79. #79
    mtbr member
    Reputation: mbxcrider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Posts
    20
    I have to agree with Jamie Huber.....Jim Thorpe Actually is incredible riding.....I happen to live 10 miles from there and ride it as often as possible.....Just did two completely different 30 mile loops up there this weekend.....Forget the Gawd awful Broad Mtn loop.....There are miles and miles of Good single track in the general Jim Thorpe area.....A lot of it has been kind of forgotten....BUT, it's NOT gone....It's just Not Ridden as often as "The good ole days"....Trust me, it's still up there......Grab a GPS file or even better a local rider that knows his way, and go explore....Jim Thorpe is great real mountain biking.
    Just Freakin' Ride

  80. #80
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    112
    Quote Originally Posted by mbxcrider View Post
    I have to agree with Jamie Huber.....Jim Thorpe Actually is incredible riding.....I happen to live 10 miles from there and ride it as often as possible.....Just did two completely different 30 mile loops up there this weekend.....Forget the Gawd awful Broad Mtn loop.....There are miles and miles of Good single track in the general Jim Thorpe area.....A lot of it has been kind of forgotten....BUT, it's NOT gone....It's just Not Ridden as often as "The good ole days"....Trust me, it's still up there......Grab a GPS file or even better a local rider that knows his way, and go explore....Jim Thorpe is great real mountain biking.
    This is great news!! Heading up there this weekend to explore some new singletrack in and around JT. We found and rode the AS last year for the first time. So much fun!!

  81. #81
    .
    Reputation: jonz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    921
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Actually, I have sworn of Jim Thorpe all together. They had the opportunity to make themselves the mountain bike mecca of Pennsylvania and instead they screwed the community. They will not be getting any of my dollars.
    Wait, wut?

    You've sworn off Jim Thorpe because 'they' screwed the community...Who do you mean by "they had the opportunity" and "they screwed the community"? All of the trail closures on the Broad Mountain were under the direction of the Pennsylvania Game Commission, a quasi-independent agency of the commonwealth that maintains complete unbridled authority over Pennsylvania's State Game Lands. The PGC does not care about mountain bikers, nor hikers, nor the borough of Jim Thorpe. The only way the PGC would get your dollars anyways is via unauthorized mt biking fines or if you bought a hunting license.

  82. #82
    mtbr member
    Reputation: Vespasianus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Posts
    4,690
    Quote Originally Posted by victorvictorfive View Post
    Just because of the destruction of Broad Mountain Loop, or for other reasons? I don't believe it was the town's decision to ruin Broad Mt. I think PA Game Commission or similar agency decided the trail needed to be ruined.
    No more. We used to head there 4-6 times a year for 3-4 day weekends just to ride. We would got to the main hotel and every year the place just seemed to be more anti-bike. In the mid 90's (I know -retro grouch) that place was magical. It had a very special feel to it that the town and area could have fostered and grown. I ended up moving to the UK for a number of years after this (late 90's) and saw first hand how a community could support and help MTB'ing thrive (The whole Welsh country). Really was interesting to watch. When I moved back to the USA, we still hit JT and we always got the feel they did not want us there. If JT wanted broad mountain to stay open (not the loop -deer path I and II were some of my favorite trails for example), it could have done so. They did not care.

    Are there great trails up there? Sure, but nothing special and not a special place anymore. Just my opinion.
    On MTBR, the reputation is infamous.

  83. #83
    mtbr member
    Reputation: dirtrider76's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    1,850
    TBH when I think of Jim Thorpe now I think of the rail trail and the railroad shuttle. We went into the LBS in town and asked about trails and they told us about the rail trail stuff. We found the gravity railroad and some other trails on our own.
    I like to fart when I'm in front of you on a climb

  84. #84
    I quit e-MTBR
    Reputation: OldManBike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Posts
    1,151
    Is there still a weekly Thursday 6 pm ride from the train station?

  85. #85
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    7
    Quote Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    In the mid 90's (I know -retro grouch) that place was magical. It had a very special feel to it that the town and area could have fostered and grown. .
    Agreed 100%. We went regularly in the mid 90's and had a blast.

  86. #86
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Posts
    56
    I just rode the Deer Path loop this past weekend. The first part of the loop is in pretty good shape, but the part after the power line is pretty grown in and does not seem to be ridden as much as the first part.

  87. #87
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    92
    Rode the deer path last year to the power line and turned around. The next section didn't look like it had been rides in a long while. Maybe give it a whitl again this year

  88. #88
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    7
    Rode The Broad Mountain loop on Wednesday. Don't know if the rock has settled, but had a better time of it. I think I am a better rider since my last ride here and I did upgrade my equipment to a Specialized Fattie 6, so I am sure that helped a lot. Wonderful view of the Lehigh Gorge.
    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-img_0752.jpg

    Nice Timber Rattler. 13 segments on his tail
    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-img_0747.jpg
    Broad Mountain Loop Trail (Jim Thorpe) ... Ruined!-img_0749.jpg

  89. #89
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    Good for you, thanks for the report. What Fattie did you get?

  90. #90
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Posts
    6
    Very rocky (big aggragate stones) indeed on the east side of Rt. 93. I prefer the trails on the opposite side.

  91. #91
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    7
    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    Good for you, thanks for the report. What Fattie did you get?
    Fuse Comp Fattie 6

  92. #92
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    26
    Hey Peeps. This trail network continues to expand westward. Huber is correct! The Broad is loaded. Pisgah still offers excellent, technical singletrack. I recently started using the Gaia GPS app... costs $20 but is well worth it. Lots of the good stuff (not all) is depicted on this app. I ran an informal guide service years ago; so did Huber. Maybe we should start again?

  93. #93
    Ride da mOOn Moderator
    Reputation: NEPMTBA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    8,258
    dwsteig,

    Sounds like a plan, lots of peeps ask where to go at JT, a guide would be great!

  94. #94
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    126
    Quote Originally Posted by NEPMTBA View Post
    dwsteig,

    Sounds like a plan, lots of peeps ask where to go at JT, a guide would be great!
    I would be interested in this service.

  95. #95
    mtbr member
    Reputation:
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    26
    Well. I ride pretty often. Willing to show people around. Contact me if interested. I'd prefer to guide advanced-expert level people of the more technical stuff. 👍🏼

Similar Threads

  1. Thorpe, to White Haven, to Thorpe 50 miles today
    By NEPMTBA in forum Pennsylvania
    Replies: 9
    Last Post: 06-18-2012, 06:34 PM
  2. Broad Run Mountain Loop - Part 1
    By CraigCreekRider in forum Virginia, WV, Maryland, DC, Delaware
    Replies: 13
    Last Post: 09-21-2011, 07:15 AM
  3. Broad Run Mountain Loop - Part 1
    By CraigCreekRider in forum Passion
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 09-18-2011, 04:27 PM
  4. Replies: 25
    Last Post: 07-25-2011, 08:25 PM
  5. Replies: 9
    Last Post: 07-25-2011, 05:38 AM

Members who have read this thread: 72

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •